Religious Thoughts And Prayers

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  1. Pragmatist

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/health/thoughts-prayers-study-wellness-trnd/index.html


    Good afternoon all,

    I believe this section of forum is best place for this article from the Clinton Network.

    Article tells of a "study" about offering thoughts and prayers to disaster victims.

    Besides being a somewhat sensitive topic, the action can also induce violence. Are we not going through a contemporary version of Europe's "religious wars" ?

    I shiver when I see a volunteer responder or spontaneous volunteer show up with a logo T-shirt or sweat shirt with a cross. Besides the formal church organizations, there's the factions. Just discuss the abortion issue, the lack of Sharia-compliant MREs at a shelter. Continue listing the dangers.

    Again, the article, for its subject, is well worth reading.

    ...

    As an aside, I have a political cartoon here, circa I believe the Bush 41 administration. The scene is a nice room with a window showing a mosque tower in background (Forgot actual name of what a tower is called ).

    The picture has an Arab man shaking hands with a visiting American businessman in typical business suit.




    The cartoon's caption: "Thank you for visiting. May George Bush be with you".
     
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  2. TMT Tactical

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    I just have to believe these tested folks were either a bit off or were having a bit of fun. I am agnostic, but if somebody wants to pray for me, have at it. Does me no harm and it may make them feel better. Now trying to convert me, that is a whole different subject.
     
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  3. Old Geezer

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    I keep up with the commie news so I was on the CNN website (Commie News Network) and saw/read this article.

    CNN likes to vent its vitriolic hatred of Christianity via articles such as this. The anger is born of their adolescent anger at being told there are limits on human behaviors. Adolescents imagine themselves to be adults for they do not even understand the concept of Wisdom. Being their own "parent", they are without guidance and fall into all of the horrid, sometimes fatal, pitfalls appertaining to our species. And note also, that they wish to impose their out-of-control behaviors and proven-ridiculous ideals upon everyone. Push back and they scream.

    I'm not into any organized religion due to disbelief in dogmas. I'm not a Christian, however the anti-Christian tantrums of the left are to my ears, harsh grating sounds.

    The only reason I believe in the transcendent is due to my dreams that come true and because I've talked to the dead in my dreams and what was relayed to me came to pass. Life after death studies reveal that there is no God's chosen religion. However, people who have been snatched back into this world by defibrillators, modern medical science all that, state that God exists but is unknowable, state that prayer is an actual mechanism by which Divine Light can be brought to bear against difficulties ... even in this dark place far removed, you'd think, from anything whatsoever Divine. There is evidence enough to make this uber-cynical person believe. And buddy am I ever cynical! I don't believe crap without over-the-top proof. Too, I'm not the most caring person who ever lived -- I've been told this several times. I believe that belief was imposed on me due to my being a royal @$$hole.

    Back to topic ... Christian kids, conservative kids, kids not compliant with the imposed politically correct dogmas preached on modern campuses here in the West are openly attacked when they attend university. Christians are denied free speech in public forums. On and on. Such negative events sicken me because they are proof that our society is sick and dying.
     
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      Very well stated. I agree 100 percent.
       
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  4. TexDanm

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    I wonder if they were talking about someone wanting to pray "with" you. I can't see why anyone would care about what someone did elsewhere or by themselves but if you are not of the faith you probably have better things to do than listen to someone pray to what you see as their imaginary friend.
     
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  5. TMT Tactical

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    The article stated certain people would pay somebody to not pray for them. Seem silly to me.
     
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  6. watcherchris

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    I don't care what those people think about ones "imaginary friend." I don't think they should be trying to herd other people...to their way of non belief...which is in actuality a belief system.

    And furthermore..if one closely observes wildlife in it's natural habitat...it becomes clear that todays politics is morphing into a very devout and zealous religion...a religion of non tolerance while trying to herd others into their version of tolerance. It is a scam...
    And the religion of non tolerance is the religion of chaos...

    Politics is morphing into a very devout and zealous religion called Communism via Socialism...ie..bondage...Ishmael.

    I don't need an expert in the news media or public education translating for me to know this.

    The biggest threat to the organized religion of politics always has and always will be Christianity. Almost any other religion can and will be tolerated except Christianity. This is clear to people who can still think.


    And I know why...going way way way back into history...To Egypt and before....to the Garden of Eden.

    All religions are not the same religion and all gods are not the same God.


    TMTactical..

    LOL LOL LOL...agree...but this is what logical reasonable Enlightened men do.


    My non Ishmaelite .02

    Watcherchris
     
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  7. TexDanm

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    My point Chris was that the people that didn't want to be prayed over were not so much bothered by the prayers as they were by the person wanting them to stop what they were doing and pray with them. I have had that experience. When you are trying to deal with something you don't always want to stop what you are doing to listen and "hold hands" while somebody prays for you. Let me ask you this. If your house was flooded and you were trying to salvage what you could from it after a flood, how receptive would you be to having an Islamic person want you to stop what you were doing so they could offer up their prayers to Allah for your soul and his comfort for you? Be honest.

    I have noticed that a lot of people have problems with other people having different beliefs. Even slight variance can lead to intense friction. Atheists and agnostics become fanatic and don't want others to have a right to their beliefs. Some of the Born Again Christians consider anyone that doesn't go inline with their specific beliefs to be almost demonic. There seems to be an ever-growing number of Islamaphobes.

    If someone is willing to take their time to pray for me, I don't care if they are praying to the almighty flying cabbage head. I will appreciate their offerings. If though they want me to stop what I'm doing for them to pray over me I may not be so appreciative. Just because I don't want you intruding on me doesn't mean that I don't believe in your freedom of belief.
     
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  8. duke in wales

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    If people have faith and want to pray then they should be respected for their faith regardless which path they follow IMHO. I've talked to a few 'religious' types over the years and their views are so closed its not worth wasting your breath chatting with them. There was one fella who point blank refused to accept that a big chunk of the Old Testament was lifted straight from the Jewish Torah...no way he would have it. Flip side to that was a guy I met in the army, American and was a fund raiser for his small local church when back in the States. He realised one day that the preacher was living a pretty good life and yet my friend was expected to get cash or pledges from the congregation who often barely had a pot to piss in. He left and became a Roman Catholic; a really nice guy who I still keep in touch with. His daughter stayed with us for three months when on an exchange visit to the UK and our daughter stayed six weeks with them...happy days.

    Sadly the world is a shallower place these days

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  9. poltiregist

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    Just something some might find of interest I once took in a sixteen year old girl that her father a "preacher " had thrown out on the street . Her crime "talking on a telephone " . Her preacher dad put her clothes in a box and abandoned her in a small town . Then he went out of state to preach a revival for a week or two . So he could tell the flock how to do right and pass the plate for them to put money in . The girl lived with me , my wife and kids for over a year .
     
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  10. TMT Tactical

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    TexDamn , Please don't lump me (agnostic) with atheists. Totally different critters. Agnostic believe there is a god but just don't buy into an organized religion doctrine. Atheist do not believe in a god and typically don't want others to believe in a god.

    Yes, you can pray for me but don't get in the way of me addressing the problem. If my house is flooded, then pray for me but it would be more appreciated if you brought along a pump.
     
  11. Old Geezer

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    Another form of agnostic belief is having a belief in the transcendent, even in a Point of Absolute Wisdom, Power, Will, Order. But also realizing that there is no way for the painting to have any understanding of the Painter.

    In Rome, Christianity absorbed beliefs from manner of cults. Cult of Isis gave rise to "Mary Mother of God". Resurrections of sons of God was a common belief among many cults dating hundreds (maybe thousands of years) before the Christian era. The cult of Mithras, one had to be "washed in the blood."

    People speak of the Mind of God. Actually, Divinity is the source of what we call mind.

    Souls are created points of observation. The material world is observed into existence. Matter is energy, but when observed, "solidifies". If you can figure that one out, then you have a better mind than do I.

    We live in a mysterious universe. It is said that our universe is 16 billion years old, however time is but one parameter, certainly nothing absolute.

    Our universe is a subset of innumerable realities. However, there is only One point of Absolute order and that is God.

    https://www.technology.org/2019/09/...-the-most-massive-neutron-star-even-possible/
     
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    This is true by Olde Geezer....as a record of history.....but not known by most people..particularly by Christians...sad but true.




    The way one knows what a religion is ...is to see the fruit it bears in the country or nation it influences.

    Most nations, even today, are some kind of variation of feudaism.....and have a king or some kind of royal system..or what amounts to absolute power. In the olde days this absolute power was called..."Divine right of Kings."

    This usually took the form of church and state combined...which is what existed in Catholic Nations...and still does.
    Church and State having the power and the economies of most of these Catholic nations demonstrate this...deadness...inertness and a small middle class....mostly a two class system..the rich and everyone else.


    This system was broken in England when Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads....broke the practice of Divine Right of Kings...or absolute power by putting King Charles on the block and cutting off his head for treason.

    Our Founders understood this and thus instituted our system of Separation of Church and State.....to prevent the economic chaos which often exists in Catholic Countries. THe founders were well aware of this pattern in history...and how it kept Europe backwards.

    Within some 200 years of Martin Luther breaking away from Rome....it became clear to observers..historians…. that there was a noticeable economic progress being made in the Non Catholic areas that was not happening in the Catholic areas.

    These nations were north Germany...the lowland countries and England.

    And where you see certain progress...today..it was exported from one of these nations..and their stepchild...the United States of America.

    This knowledge will not be put in most of your history books nor taught in public schools in order to reinforce the political/social dogma of "All religions are the same religion and all gods are the same God"

    This political/social dogma is a religion ...being promoted and it is not true....

    By their fruits you will know them. Learn to inspect the fruit....the one thing no one wants us to do.

    Become a fruit inspector.


    Be Warned...


    Today under the "Enlightenment" of public education ….politics is trying to morph back into Absolute power...by diminishing the value and belief in our religion ….in particular Christianity.

    And you can see them promoting any and everything in the name of tolerance...diversity ...inclusiveness...

    Politics...social engineering via politics...is trying to put itself in position of absolute power...ie...a religion..

    You can clearly tell this by the very rabid zealousness of many of these political/social groups in attempting to herd people without them being aware of it. And they are often using rabid runaway emotions on us to default through without us being aware of and or thinking about what is going on....just follow the emotional herd.


    The Christian doctrine is to reason together...not to emote together. "Come let us reason together"...not emote together..

    Be Warned...the Ishmaelites.

    This is why I am often well aware of the tendency of the left to appeal to peoples base emotions. When I detect this ..I know a scam us underway....herding.

    However...think this through ...the so called Conservative Republicans are not teaching this kind of thought about appealing to peoples base emotions... to their voters..and they should be doing this. They are part of the scam...


    There is no other single factor which will determine the economic conditions ..prosperity of a people and nation ...than their religious beliefs...and their beliefs in being able to hold their government in check...to limit their government excesses....Limited Government.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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