Social Distancing And Mental Health

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  1. Pragmatist

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  2. lonewolf

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    "The pain of isolation" "not the human condition"!!
    I have always thought I wasn't truly human as I excel in such circumstances.
    its not being alone that causes me problems, its being with other people.
     
  3. Old Geezer

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    Some people in particular.
     
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  4. TexDanm

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    Most people are social rather than antisocial. It is sad when you can't go to a loved one's funeral or as happened to a friend last week she didn't get to go to her daughter's wedding. Old people especially will suffer by not being able to see their kids and grandkids. No celebrations, no going to sports events, no movies, no bar hopping, no chasing the ladies or gentlemen for single people... we used to get together with friends at least once a month for dinner and a party... Single, widowed and people in nusrsing homes will suffer the most.
     
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    I believe this is going to have some serious repercussions in the future. As you said, most people are social beings by the very nature of being human. What is being imposed upon us isn't in the best interests of humanity, in my opinion.
     
  6. lonewolf

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    at the moment limiting ones social activity and staying home is the only way to beat this virus, as a vaccine is probably 18 months away.
    I know some people are already getting "cabin fever" but we have only had lockdown in the UK for 2 weeks, personally they can make it permanent for the effect it has on me.
     
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    I'm much the same. It doesn't worry me isolating. However, my concern is regarding "normal" people who are used to being social. I can see this is going to cause some very, very, antisocial behaviour.
     
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    some people are refusing to do it over here, some people having a BBQ on the beach and others sunbathing in a park had to be told by Police to go home.
    teenagers seem to be the worst, they think they are invincible but teenagers are dying of the virus too.
    I never thought I was "normal" anyway, more like good old British eccentric!!
     
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    Hahahaha! Nothing wrong with being a British eccentric lonewolf!

    The problem over here is the Grovelment is fining people over $1,000 for the most ridiculous incursions. It really does feel like George Orwell's 1984. Scary stuff.
     
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    I haven't heard of any fines here yet, I guess the Police are still using a "softly softly" approach, but people have to learn that the lockdown is not advice its the rule and applies to everybody, but I guess there are always people who think "it dosent apply to me" no matter what it is.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    social distancing is the norm now here, most non food shops are closed, I live on the very edge of a small rural town, there are only 3 places open, corner food shop, post office, and the filling station.
    we are allowed out to food shop-as irregularly as possible-I go once a week, to go to a pharmacy, to exercise once a day for no more than 1 hour, the rest of the time we must stay home unless someone is a "key" worker or they can work whilst still socially distancing i.e. keep 2 metres or 6ft 6 apart at all times.
     
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    Can Identify with Lonewolf about not being that social...even eccentric.

    I get in big crowds...I get nervous. More than three or four people..I start getting nervous.

    I never was the bar fly type...hanging out at the pub etc etc.

    Until this virus business...I would often grocery shop in the middle of the night at one of the 24 hour stores....fewer people.... but so many have changed their hours today.

    In line with eccentricity...I don't like going to these stores and using the cashier less lines...no cashier...only a machine.''

    I like dealing with a real person when checking out.



    Oh...I like the beach and ocean..I just don't care for crowded beaches and will often schedule my visits before the main season or just after...to escape much of the heavy crowds....and or traffic.

    But I like the country and the mountains in particular....Beautiful out there and often not crowded...and that is fine with me.


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  14. lonewolf

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    I was brought up in a city and I don't like people walking up behind me, I always sit in public with my back to a wall, even though I left the city never to return more than 20 years ago these habits still remain.
    I prefer being alone in the countryside, I don't like the sea side or beaches and I positively hate boats and the ocean - 2 previous BIL's were killed on a cargo ship.
     
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    What's "BIL's"?

    I love the ocean and the mountains. Well, the bush generally. As a child in Australia, my father owned a small yacht. Many wonderful weekends were spent exploring secluded coves, pulling up anchor and sleeping overnight in the boat. Some very happy memories. I'm sure that's where I got my wanderlust and exploring nature from, coupled with many happy camping expeditions.

    I dislike cities in general, most especially crowds. Open, wide spaces are my cup of tea.
     
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  16. lonewolf

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    Brother In Law's.
     
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    By lonewolfl,

    Don't hate boats and have worked on them...ships really...lots of them ...from tankers, containerships,. ocean liners Cargo ships, to AirCraft Carriers and Submarines.

    I can tell you one thing for sure.,..I never plan to go out on an Ocean Liner...even long before this virus stuff I learned, working in this shipyard, that such was not a smart thing to do. Also too crowded for me. Way overrated to me. I don't live and dwell in Disneyland. Don't go to amusement parks as well...not for me...also too crowded.


    Small boats....or harbor cruises...ferries...no problem..

    Never wanted to go out on a sea trial on a submarine or an Air Craft Carrier as well...not interested...too crowded...

    Seaside beaches ok...mostly off season...I like to catch and eat fish...fresh water or salt water both..,.on the sea coast or on a pier....river or lake...pond..

    Thought about getting myself a small boat...at one time but got to calculating the expense...
    Around here ..I would not be putting it in the water sufficient for the expense.

    Wow.....I just realized that this virus business is going to hard hit Disneyland and or Bush Gardens hard..Six Flags et el...
    Not places I want to go...too crowded for me.. ..but they are definitely a business..and will be talking huge losses. No jobs for the summer help.

    Watcherchris
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      I love boats (as I think I already mentioned), as well as planes, cars, trains and automobiles, hahaha.

      When living in the UK some friends lived on a canal boat. It was great. We were contemplating buying one and doing the same to live on when we were in the UK, six months here and six months there but the cost was prohibitive and the red tape was ridiculous, so we decided against it. I loved the idea of the lifestyle but it's more restrictive than a yacht, for obvious reasons. Nonetheless, it would have been fun.
       
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  18. arctic bill

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    I like to sit out with a cold beer and listen to rock and roll. the lovin spoonful said
    there is nothing better for your soul than lying in the sun and listening to rock and roll .
     
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    I don't like crowds and never have cared for going to bars or clubs and such. I do have a circle of friends though that I consider family. We help each other with projects, usually do the holidays together, and have a gettogether and sort of party about once a month. I miss them a lot. I am fortunate that my Daughter and grandbaby live next to me. With my Grandbaby running back and forth we are one household in two houses and don't do any distancing. At least I have not lost them to this stupidity.

    I watch all of this and people hiding from a germ and think about when I was a kid. When someone got the chickenpox, measles or whatever we were still allowed to play together. Kids were GOING to get these diseases eventually and the general practice was when one kid showed up with it you let all the kids get it and be done with it.
     
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      "I watch all of this and people hiding from a germ and think about when I was a kid. When someone got the chickenpox, measles or whatever we were still allowed to play together. Kids were GOING to get these diseases eventually and the general practice was when one kid showed up with it you let all the kids get it and be done with it."

      That's exactly right. I don't know why the world leaders and general public seem to think this virus is going to just disappear. At one point or another, people are going to have to be exposed to it. I don't understand the point of avoiding the inevitable, other than trying to ease the burden on the health systems around the world.
       
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  20. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TexDanm,

    Ref the mentioned chickenpox, measles, you're indirectly addressing the conflict between "herd immunity" versus the current quarantine/stay at home.

    The urban areas with dense population living is where the danger grows. It's no coincidence that New York City, with restaurant trash left on the street curb for rat happy hour ,has the worst numbers re COVID-19.
     
  21. lonewolf

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    I just wonder if/when this is all over, whether more people will realise that working from home is easier than they realised and they don't need all this commuting?
     
  22. TexDanm

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    The problem Lonewolf is that the kind of work that can be done at home is mostly nonproductive. You can't build a house from home, work a mine, fix a car, fly an airplane or much of anything. All that most work at home can do is to process and move around paperwork about things that are ACTUALLY being done in the real world. More and more in the US and I suspect in most of the Western World, our business operations are getting so top-heavy that they just are not competitive with businesses doing the same thing elsewhere.

    Below is a rant and not really relevant to the topic.

    When you add more people working at the bottom of the business they can increase production and add to the profit margin. When you add people to the top with higher wages and support staff to assist them that money comes right off the top of your profits. In the US now everyone wants to go to college, learn very little that is applicable so that they can be in middle management. Nobody wants to go into the trades and that is a big part of why manufacturing has gone overseas. When there is a need to trim they always first trim the workers and only when there is just no way to pay them do they start trimming the management. I've watched this happen over and over.

    I watched a company lay off the workers until you have supervisors with nobody left to supervise. Naturally, at this point you go under. Even though things had started to turn around the company didn't have any peons to do the work left and they didn't come running back to them in time to save the company. Imagine a military where half of the force were lieutenants. then a quarter of the force was in Sargents and corporals and only 15 percent were enlisted warriors. the other 10 percent were upper staff Captians and up. That to some extent is how the modern American business model is structured.

    The stay at home basically just shows how little most of the upper worker is needed to actually operate. They are mostly just pushing paper around from one paper pushed to another with each level adding more to justify their jobs. My daughter is an accountant supervisor for the state and handles purchasing and sales for the prison factories and products. Out of the 40 hours she spends most of her time filing reports to everybody and their assistants. Most of the people that she is dealing with know almost nothing about the business that they are supervising. Most have never set foot in a prison except for the "guided" tours that bigshots get. They are now working from home. They might as well just stay there for all that it matters.

    The levels of supervision that it takes to operate these days is unbelievable. You have to have all of the levels of necessary supervision but then you have to have a group to handle the paperwork having to do with dealing with each government level local, state and national governments have all sorts of paper that have to be moved around in order to be "legal". You have permits, inspections, and reports by the ream that HAVE to be done in order to say in the business. The Government at each level is 99 percent nonproductive and mostly just justify their existence by adding to the paperwork required to operate.

    Our own Government is doing all it can to make the US unable to compete on a world market. Both parties seem to be equally guilty of this.
     
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    I was a "paper pusher" in a previous life so I take exception to those remarks:D
    anyway Britain is mostly a financial services country these days, my BIL is a financial expert and he has found he can still do his work from home on the phone or on computer and dosent need to travel all the miles he does.
    I expect there are many like that, obviously we cant build houses from home but the paperwork and ordering of supplies could be.
     
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    I've pushed a pencil myself a few times too...and hated it. I'm not an office person. I know that in order for a company to operate and avoid the chaos that accounting, ordering and all of the government require paperwork has to be done. My Dad was a business manager and my Mom was a bookkeeper. My Daughter is an accountant. I'm not denigrating the contribution that they make. The problem is that out Government at every level is demanding more and more "paper" and red tape and companies follow that same business model to the point that it is impossible for our companies to compete with other countries.

    The other point that I guess I didn't make well is that if you don't have workers there will be nobody to manage or produce the products that you sell. Work at home is GREAT for the people that can do it but as my Daughter is finding out now She has nothing much to account for because they can't get shipments and the stuff that they need to make their various products is becoming impossible to get. If everyone stays at home soon there will indeed be nothing in the stores. Not because there is no food but because it is rotting in the fields, sitting in the molls and warehouses but not being shipped.

    If the electric workers stay at home how long will your power continue? Water doesn't just naturally flow and without people actually working it will break down. In the cities, if the garbage workers stay at home the cities will start to ROT. If you cut off the roots of a pretty tree the pretty leaves fall off and the trees DIE. The workers are the roots that feed everything and yet all we are taking care of and worrying about are the pretty leaves.

    My point poorly made is that stay at home is like cutting off your arm because you have a splinter in your finger and don't want to dig it out. It sounds good but in the end millions will suffer so that some will not get sick as soon. Lonewolf, where I live most of the people, CAN'T work from home. Where I came from the refineries either run or are GONE. All of their plans are to take care of the paper pushers and piss on the workers. For a worker stay at home means they don't pay you. you lose your insurance, your family does without but that's OK the big shots are taken care of and don't have to face catching a feaking flu.

    The problem is that if we go down this isn't going to be a back to nature TEOTWAWKI it is going to be a Red Dawn because I can assure you that the Chinese and Russians are not going to shut down. China will just start shooting people with the virus if that is what it takes to keep in power and control. Read about what it was like to live in East Germany under Russian rule. THAT will be Great Britain and the US if we allow our nations to collapse rather than take the chance of getting sick.
     
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  25. Blitz

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    Well said TexDanm.
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    I was brought up as an office worker, father was a company accountant/office manager, I eventually took over from him at the same company we both worked for.
    later on there was a recession and I lost that job as the office was shut down, I got a similar job but on a building site this time( the original employers was also in construction).
    I've also worked as a telephone operator, my last employment before I retired was self employed.
    what I am saying is the UK is a financial and services industry, the Bank of London is the leading sector for the European finance industry, the UK is very heavily into insurance and finance .
    we do have some industry left but not as much as there once was, no coal mines anymore, its cheaper to buy coal from abroad these days.
    some car industries but I think their all foreign owned.
    I think we will find more people in the UK have desk jobs than any kind of physical work, probably this is why we have an obesity crisis in this country.
     
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    Texdanm,

    Rotting in the fields or in transport....

    This is precisely the problem in the Olde Soviet Union and one for which our own leadership wanted us ignorant about as they needed us to be affrighted of the Soviets.

    This is why there was little to no produce/fruit in the stores under the Soviets....too much bureaucracy keeping the produce/fruit away from the stores..and rotting/spoiling....they were too top heavy.

    This was kept from the knowledge of most Americans...by design...that we could be more easily herded...affrighted of the Soviets.

    This is also why so often when a reporter was transmitting from Soviet Russia it was against the backdrop of a building wall...so that you could not see what was around you.....not going on. How few cars were out and about....like is happening with this virus.

    Catching on yet????

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris.
     
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    I guess I would fall into the introvert category. Being self-quarantined and working from home has had no affect on my mental health. Granted, I am not isolated. I can still communicate with people, but I do not miss going out. At our age we are past the social scene. When we eat out (which doesn't happen at all now) it is usually as a family or with another couple. We seldom go to sporting events. I seldom went to the movies anyway. The people I want to keep in touch with, I can through email. Now that I am working from home I can see my wife spends 75% of her day on the phone. It hasn't seemed to have affected her much.

    If it is really possible to differentiate between a true extrovert and a true introvert maybe the extroverts will have a problem. IMHO the introverts won't.
     
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    A bureaucracy is heavily dependent on a foundation of paperwork.

    The more the paperwork..the more secure the foundation...

    Ishmaelites run wild.....,.,


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