Sotomayor: “that This Is Not About The Law; This Is About Our Choice To Destroy Lives,”

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  1. LastOutlaw

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    Injecting politics into the Supreme Court is an impeachable offense.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ts-this-is-about-our-choice-to-destroy-lives/

    Sotomayor at DACA Oral Arguments: ‘This Is About Our Choice to Destroy Lives’
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    During oral arguments at the United States Supreme Court Tuesday on he future of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program, Justice Sonia Sotomayor injected politics into the discussion, saying President Donald Trump has said he would find a way to keep DACA recipients in the United States but has not done so.

    Sotomayor also addressed what other justices cited — the “reliance interests” of DACA recipients, or how the government program has allowed illegal migrants to get Social Security numbers, drivers licenses, and work permits that they have come to rely on.

    Sotomayor said:

    I think my colleagues have rightly pointed [out] there’s a whole lot of reliance interests that weren’t looked at, including the very President of — current President telling DACA-eligible people that they were safe under him and that he would find a way to keep them here. And so he hasn’t and, instead, he’s done this. And that, I think, has something to be considered before you rescind a policy.

    “Right,” Solicitor General Noel Francisco said.

    “Not just say I’ll give you six months to do it,” Sotomayer said, referring to Trump’s past announcement that he would hold off on rescinding DACA for six months to allow Congress to come up with a legislative solution.

    “And where is the political decision made clearly?” Sotomayor said referring to the June 22, 2018 memorandum issued by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to explain why the department was rescinding DACA.

    “That this is not about the law; this is about our choice to destroy lives,” Sotomayor said, directly expressing what she believed a ruling to end DACA would mean to those enrolled in it.

    The back and forth between the justices, Francisco and two attorneys who argued for DACA petitioners — attorney Ted Olson and Michael Mongan, Solicitor General at California Department of Justice – included more discussion about the impact the ruling would have on both DACA recipients and the future enforcement of federal immigration law.

    Olson and Mongan argued that the Trump administration did not provide a compelling reason for rescinding DACA, which came to the high court after differing results in lower court decisions on the matter.

    Francisco argued that DACA, put in place by President Barack Obama’s executive action in 2012, was not legal or highly likely to be illegal and it also would “hamstring” federal law enforcement from enforcing immigration law.

    But the heart of the case revolves around two issues: Can the courts review the government’s rescission of the DACA program? And was the government’s decision to rescind DACA “arbitrary and capricious” in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), which sets standards for federal agency actions that are generally enforceable in the courts?

    The case analysis by Steven D. Schwinn of the University of Illinois Chicago John Marshall School of law noted that “As of 2017, when the government rescinded the program, there were nearly 700,00 active DACA recipients. Their average age was just under 24-years-old. Over 90 percent were employed and 45 percent were in school.”

    Many of the groups submitting Amicus briefs in favor of DACA in perpetuity — or forever — were educational institutions and U.S. businesses who benefit from this demographic.

    The entities backing DHS were those groups that believe DACA is not constitutional and benefits those in the country illegally while threatening the employment and educational opportunities of citizens.

    A ruling in the case is expected in June 2020.

    These cases are Department of Homeland Security v. Regents of the University of California, No. 18-587, Trump v. NAACP, No. 18-588, and McAleenan v. Vidal, No. 18-589 in the Supreme Court of the United States.

    SCOTUS by Anonymous ACTwgl9 on Scribd
     
  2. LastOutlaw

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    NO IT IS ABOUT THE LAW!
    Her job is to interpret the law as per the US Constitution. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    Impeach her!
     
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      My feeling and thought exactly. Screw the emotions, what is the law?
       
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    She is simply batshit crazy. No other way to put it. While I hold Ruth with similar contempt for her progressive activism from the bench, at least she isn’t a complete raving lunatic like Sotomayor. Nonetheless, both are equally wrong and dangerous to the constitution.
     
  4. Sonofliberty

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    sodomizor can go hang herself imo. She is anti-American.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Once upon a time, the USA had something in great quantity and this distinguished the USA from other countries. The commodity was Liberty.

    Some U.S. Supreme Court Justices believe in human Liberty, others believe in a European social engineering systems wherein people are "taken care of" by the collective. Ben Franklin pointed out that a people can have Liberty or they can have safety -- they can't have both. Simple concept, but people with the mind of a child do not understand, for they know not their own species.

    Did Americans make mistakes and commit sins by denying Liberty to certain groups. Yep. However, America was doing what it could. Humans are flawed. Countries are flawed. One tries to improve. One cannot continue living if all they do is wring their hands and tear-up with "what about this" and "what about that" neurotic driveling.

    The United States are no longer united. America is irreparably separated into two separate nations living on the same turf. There will be a divorce or there will be civil war.
     
  6. Duncan

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    Naaah. The American people do not comprise radical bomb-throwers on the Left or pseudo-"patriots" on the Right. The pendulum will swing back and forth, until the oscillations dampen themselves a bit and We the People will end up compromising, as we already have done. the Supremes will piss off the Left by not providing Free Everything and will also piss off the Right by requiring tougher controls on firearms.

    That's the way compromise and the American System seems to work. You might not like it; I may not like it; no one will be completely satisfied because the Supremes will not give you (or me, or anyone else) everything they want, but we will all come through this together and we'll still be one Republic with a Constitution that works.
     
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    I call Bullshit on this. This country is more divided today than it has ever been. The Constitution is no longer followed or revered by either side in Government any longer. Corruption is rampant and getting worse every cycle. You @Duncan often seem to have this Kum ba yah attitude and it is not realistic anymore than the fear you have of global warming over financial meltdown or revolution. The "Supremes" as you call them no longer follow the US Constitution either and think of themselves as law makers or something higher and not interpreters as they should. If anyone in this country needs to be impeached it is a couple or more of them for their political activism to bring them back down where they should be. There is nothing "Supreme" about any of them. Also it is obvious that " We the People" have lost all control over any of these asshats and all of them think they are our rulers these days.
     
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      Wish this wasn't true, but wishing gets a person nowhere. The glue of America has cracked and fallen away. The mainstream media is simply a propaganda organ for democratic socialism. Can't even do an internet search without the information having been cleaned / made politically correct. Any expressed thoughts that are conservative or Libertarian in nature are deemed "oppressive" and often deleted. Sources of conservative information are actively surveilled.
       
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    Americans are now divided politically and racially. There are flare-ups and only a few people get killed. L.A. riots 1992, only 50 to 60 people were killed.

    When U.S. dollars turn to rags, when government checks become toilet paper, the violence will go explosively out of control. America's urban areas will burn like dry pine forests.

    Just an election could set off the violence. Think about what will happen should Trump live to be re-elected November 2020. There WILL be rioting.
     
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  9. Old Geezer

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    Post SHTF, the news will likely be highly restricted / censored. Internet will be intentionally shut down if it exists at all -- internet continued life is a big IF.

    Having ham radio may get you some useful intel.

    I see the military taking over should a regime come into power that attempts to gut the current services and replace them with a People's Revolutionary Army.
     
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    Post SHTF the news reports would not just be restricted they would be non existent, if anything was broadcast it would be propaganda not news.
     
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  11. watcherchris

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    Destroy lives???? What?? What about the lives which will be destroyed and or altered by having to pay for this program via taxation or the inflation... that government money borrowing will create to pay for it???

    And I mean ever increasing amounts of government manufactured inflation to pay for it. No one seems want to discuss this aspect of what is coming behind such massive government programs clearly designed to perpetuate more government.

    This type of inflation will become a type of economic bondage....taxation...to pay for these massive programs and the increased government needed to service it.


    Taxation is work u do for which u get no goods or services.

    Inflation is disguised taxation...work u do for which u get no goods or services.


    These are one and the same but find an "expert" who will teach this to u....You know...even those no spin guys???

    Don t let them gaslight You....by preying on your emotions in such a deceitful manner.

    Government has no such authority to put one group of people into economic and social bondage to support another group to buy votes in perpetuity.




    To make certain the American people take second, third, or fourth place in their own country as is being done in the UK and on the continent.


    Margret Thatcher was certainly correct in that these groups are fine until they run out of other peoples money.


    Be warned the professional gas lighters. They are often Ishmaelites who's stock in trade is bondage.

    Ishmaelite = Bondage


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  12. Duncan

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    I assume this means we have a slight difference of opinion on the matter!
    Do you remember (first-hand) the late 1960's in the United States? I was attending the University of Maryland, a liberal school just 20 miles from Washington DC as a just-returned-from-active-duty reservist (who'd been spit on and insulted while in uniform) with short hair and a pro-military outlook. Now that was a divided country.
    I spent 40 years in the defense industry dealing with all kinds of Government people, both left- and right-leaning. Many of them were former military -- as I was -- and just about every one of them kept and lived the same Oath that I did.
    Can you think of a time in our nation's history when it wasn't?
    You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, as are all of us. My concerns about climate change (and any other concern which could lead to a collapsed infrastructure) vis-à-vis long term survival led Dawn and me to move nine hundred miles from our friends and family members and build a completely different homestead lifestyle in a completely different rural environment. I assume you -- also being a prepper/survivalist -- have done/are doing something similar to prepare yourself and your family from whatever dangers you see in the future.
     
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  13. Pragmatist

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    Good morning all,

    I'm in agreement with Duncan on a major point presented above.

    During our nation's 3rd insurrection (First was US Civil War, 2nd was Battle of Blair Mountain, WVa, post WWI labor confrontation) circa 1970-71, there were, on average, 11 bombings a day in the US. The Vietnam War created a mess for the US. Today is not a national pleasant atmosphere but it hasn't mushroomed into bombings and multiple mass riots and burning cities of the Viet era.

    So far, still time to saddle soap the boots and WD-40 the metal equipment.

    Prep, prep, prep
    and
    factor in safety
     
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  14. watcherchris

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    Was thinking about this...by Last Outlaw....in his OP.


    A jobs program. He is about a jobs program...job security on the public purse ...in perpuity...forever...….

    Watcherchris

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    Again by Last Outlaw,

    It has occurred to me that the Trump Administration has slowly been closing or shutting down many of these Federal programs which seem to be mainly jobs programs...and many of them in perpetuity.

    If there is any truth to this, it would explain much as to why Trump nd aCompany are so despised as they are killing off someone's perpetual Cash Cow. A big no-no in Occult Concealed Politics.

    This would also explain why the desperation to impeach. Trump cannot be allowed to shutdown Government programs...including Foreign Aid..Military and Civilian. Is this not what is coming out about the Aid to Haiti but also the Afghanistan war as well as Iraq....that funds disappeared or were diverted. The Ukraine as well??

    I suspect that this is also one of Trumps reasons for shutting down these wars and pulling the troops home.
    That these wars have now morphed into Cash Cows and never designed to be over but continue to keep the cash properly flowing. Just like DACA and other ?Government Programs.

    I have noted over the years, and after being schooled in this Occult/Concealed/Hidden line of thought, that this is seldom
    covered by most of the media...those guys not spinning!!!

    If Trump is reelected I am Thinking that more of the truth of this Occult pattern of what is going on will come more out in the open about these Cash Cow programs designed to keep America and Americans in economic bondage forever...while enriching a secret few. Ishmaelites.

    Remember....these are the same politicians trying to get elected/re elected while trying to manufacture rich bad guys for you to hate and while also voting for them...these politicians.

    Remember this as election time draws nigh.

    Watcherchris
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  16. LastOutlaw

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    You are correct:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...federal-law-does-not-allow-daca-work-permits/

    Solicitor General Tells SCOTUS: Federal Law Does Not Allow DACA Work Permits
     
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  17. poltiregist

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    The U.S. citizens are teetering on the edge of losing all freedom . These Supreme Court Judges that think they can make up their own laws regardless as to what the constitution says must be removed at every opportunity . Two judges have been installed recently and likely a third slot will be coming open for refilling soon . This is just one of the reasons citizens that cherish their freedom need to vote for lawmakers that will back up the president and get the crude " swamp creatures " out of their positions . If the anti- constitution judges are allowed to prevail it will be only a matter of time before they will be looking for " prepper / survivalist " as they will be deemed terrorist . I was under government scrutiny at one time for not thinking like the government agencies thought I should think . It seemed funny at first but after a couple of years the funny left . I lost a job after the feds came visiting my work place . Three hundred workers were moved to another building when the feds came to take my picture . But now I am talking about much more serious consequences . If anti - constitution judges are allowed to prevail members of this forum may very well find themselves hiding in caves . Our Alaska members with their caches would probably be the most prepared for such an scenario .
     
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  18. Duncan

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    Years ago, I worked for Motorola Government Electronics Group, a now-defunct part of Motorola. I was working on a program which required a SECRET clearance, and for funsies, was an active member of the AZ Libertarian Party. One April 15 we held a tax protest in front of the Phoenix Post Office (you had to have it in the snail-mail by midnight, so it seemed like the best place to do this deed). Of course, we called the local paper and the TV stations. We dressed differently; I dressed up in a barrel with a sign that said "Taxes are Unbarrel-able". Well, the TV didn't show up, but the next morning I was top center in all my glory on page 1 of the Arizona Republic Metro section.

    By the time I got into work at 0730, my picture was on about six bulletin boards, and a bunch of other engineers and similar trash clapped me on the back, saying right-on! and suchlike. Everyone had a great laugh and the AZ LP signed up about six or seven of my colleagues.

    Okay, about 8-9 months later, I was offered a chance at another project; this one, though, requiring a Special Access clearance. I put in my papers and expected to get the upgrade in about six weeks. Four months later nothing had happened, and my supervisor was inquiring what the holdup was.

    The next day, I got a call from the resident DISCO office (Defense Industry Security Clearance Organization) and went down, expecting to get my new clearance. Well, I was met at the door to the DISCO office by an unsmiling woman who stuck a picture badge in my face and asked me if I could recognize the individual.

    "Of course; it's you!" I said She asks to see two picture ID's, so I showed her my Badge and my Driver's License photo.

    "Come inside and sit down, please," she sez.

    As Allah is my witness, there're two chairs and a table with a bare light bulb hanging over the table! She pulls out a clipping from the paper with my photo in the barrel and asked me to explain my activities.

    I was enraged. I told her I'd not been following the news recently, so perhaps I had missed the memo about how they had abolished the First Amendment of the United States Constitution!!??!!

    It went completely over her head. She said that First Amendment rights can be considered "inoperative" (remember that term, Nixon fans?) when accessing security, and I had to sign saying (1) I would pay my taxes (I said I would, which was true) and that (2) I wouldn't try to overthrow the government (I said I would, further deponent saying not).

    My Constitutional rights are "inoperative".

    I finally was able to understand -- on an emotional rather than an intellectual level -- what a woman feels like who'd been raped. I got to keep my SECRET, but my Special Access was denied. Not surprising, they're as paranoid as any Conspiracy Theorist out there in 4 Chan-land.

    Here's the moral, Brother Poltiregist: your "rights" are what some government bureaucrat says they are. It doesn't matter if it's you or even if it's a communistliberal like me! If they feel like coming for you, they will.
     
  19. watcherchris

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    Duncan,

    The function and or rationale for the 16th Amendment is not at all what most people have been taught or brainwashed to believe it is. In the time of gold or solver coin this held true but now...under fiat phony money creation not so.

    Under phony fiat money creation....unlimited money creation for whatever the government wants....this money will eventually find it's way into the marketplace and increase the overall money supply....the M factor...as the Fed. is want to call it. As ordinary people get this money they spend/distribute it throughout the economy...with a ,result. Increased prices due to the increased money supply and bidding in the one economy for goods and services. Also known as inflation.

    The primary purpose of taxes on a federal level is to control the M Factor...the money supply from causing runaway inflation.
    If taxation and interest rates were not thus controlled..the money value or M Factor would go to it's real intrinsic value almost overnight......zero.

    The government has the ability to borrow or print money...paper...unlimited.


    But...…..

    The terrible secret is that the government only limits the M Factor in the private sector of the economy, They do not limit Government spending....but instead...spending in the private sector...by taxes or increased interest rates for borrowing.


    Translation....

    Americans are competitors in our own economy against Government largess or spending.


    And DACA is going to be another way/program for Government to further herd the American people economically and thus socially/politically....in perpetuity.

    In like manner to how unlimited freebees for illegal aliens was to be the same result...milking the public breast...forever...to politically favored groups and people.

    Controlling the M Factor by interest rates/borrowing or Taxation is also how the Government conceals its theft of goods and services out of the only economy in favor of Government or those politically connected.


    Read John Maynard Keynes

    The Economic Consequences of the Peace


    Ishmaelites at work.



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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    I have Keynes' book "Economic Consequences of the Peace". I still am a supporter of Keynesian doctrines. In his time, the Socialists and Communists built the foundation to destroy his professional reputation.

    In another pub of his ("Am I A Liberal?" essay, 1925), he called trade unionists (American-English: Labor Leaders) "tyrants".

    Keynes's famous quote is: "The Class war will find me on the side of the educated bourgeoisie."

    ......

    Ref: "The terrible secret is ... only limits the M Factor in the private sector of the economy":

    It is the private sector of the DOMESTIC US economy. This is the / a reason I have not yet posted anything regarding Old Geezer's recent post of returning US companies to the US. Boeing and ~ 2,200 (number of US companies in US-China Chamber of Commerce) would collapse without D.C. bail-outs. Boeing would be like 1975 Chrysler Corp, 1975 Lockheed Corp and 1975 city government of New York City: all 3 ready for receivership and their specific form of bankruptcy had the USG not "assisted" their situation.

    America's problems are mostly domestic.
     
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    I hate to say this, but when that old hag finally drops Trump will have yet a third pick to pack the Supreme Court. And thank God for that. Might even be a record for a sitting President. I'm not sure. More common sense votes the better.
     
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    Sounds like the damn GRU! LOL
     
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  24. watcherchris

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    Pragmatist,

    I find this a bit ironic with what little I know about Communism and its founding.

    What little history I know is that Keynes was one of the few westerners allowed into Russia to help them set up their monetary system.

    I suspect more like the Internationalists built the foundation to destroy his professional reputation. It is the internationalists who created Communism and supported Communism with western largess several times when they would have fallen of their own ineptness.

    Most of the powerful Internationalists/Communists are still here in the west...not in Russia.

    In America they are called The Deep State and owe their allegiance to Internationalism not America or Americans.
    The plan appears to be....turn America into a copy of England or the continent.

    And the money plan is to facilitate the Deep State plan. Destroy America by inflation. Cloward/Piven Strategy.

    Runaway M factor.

    Thanks,

    Watcherchris

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  25. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    Yes, Cloward / Piven is the governing strategy, even if used by Arab non-Communists.

    Many of our famous names entered and assisted the "new Russia". Keynes worked the finance arena. You'd recognize the European aircraft folks who helped establish their airline Aeroflot. Ford's name shows up. Much of this is "innocent" re the political dimension but these same people knew the term "duel use" before the term became an official US world trade term.

    America's "Deep State" is also loaded with "Old Guard" descendants protecting their vast individual wealth. Somme of these people are called the "hall-walkers" of the State Department.

    I agree that the US is headed toward a similar "sick man of Europe" (Ottoman Turkey) complexion within the more version of the UK but believe President Trump will succeed in changing the national course. So far, the Trump administration is winning the domestic political confrontations even if the Washington Post says otherwise.
     
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  26. poltiregist

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    The U.S. deep states present attempt at an presidential coup is failing ,just like all their other attempts since Trump got elected . Instead it is having the opposite effect and causing the fence sitters to step on the Trump side . Another five years with Trump at the helm is almost inevitable . During world war two under Hitler's actions approximately 55 million military personal died . In 1980 Ruth Bader was sworn in to the Supreme Court .She always stood in favor of killing the defenseless and innocent babies . Since killing babies under her blessing was made legal sixty two million babies have been slaughtered in the U.S. . Score -- Hitler 55 million --Ruth sixty two million babies . Quite frankly because of this vast number of murdered babies is one of several reasons we have hysterical Trump haters . A large part of the hatters are guilty of killing their own children and don't want to be made to feel guilty of killing their children . They want to convince themselves " that wasn't really my child " " I didn't hear it screaming " . I can't see the murderous Ruth Bader surviving another five years and Trump will fill her slot with someone with a moral conscious . Perhaps we are seeing a light as Ruth nears her just reward .
     
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  27. watcherchris

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    Pragmatist,

    What I was told by certain observers of American deep state behaviors is that the Pentagon is primarily pro Israel
    and for many many years now.

    And the US State Department is and has been for many many years....pro Russian.

    Many many technology transfers have been approved by our State Department of very strategic importance...military importance...and have been approved to Russia since WW2.

    I believe Trump to be conducting himself as more of an independent than a Republican. I Suspect that Trump's unforgivable
    sin is dismantling someone's cash cow...control system...cutting deep state regulations and controls over the economy.

    As Trump did this.....the economy could not help but take off. It could not help but put people back to work.

    Hope Trump has good backers and intelligence.

    My concern is that if these Deep State people cannot get back their stranglehold on this country...they might go for mass chaos and or civil war.

    Ishmaelites run wild.



    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  28. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Watcherchris,

    Most definitely, Trump is not a traditional Republican. He's an independent with GOP merely as the vehicle.

    Yes ! Trump is dismantling the welfare state. This is our nation's weakness - and existential danger. It's not China, Russia, Iran, SCO, the EU, ... It's the welfare state that's destroying us.
    The Pentagon has meandered back and forth on Israel. It was Nixon who saved Israel; not the Pentagon. The Carter administration's Pentagon was no friend. Recall Sec State/Treasury (He eclipsed Pentagon) James Baker of B41 administration: hostile. Back and forth,...

    The State Dept, post Vietnam War, has, ipso facto, been losing power. Ambassadors now approximate the useless. Much now occurs directly White House to overseas area / Congress to overseas area. Nixon used OxyPet's (vast Libya operations) Armad Hammer to deal with Soviet Union off the record, out of sight.

    Trump has excellent backers and premier intelligence. Wait 'till the FICA criminal referrals go public. I'm guessing Trump will address the nation and tell of a mass pardon to include the Trump team members caught up in the Mueller racket eg former Dir, DIA, a couple in prison now (One was briefly held at Warsaw, Richmond Cy).

    With medical care rationed and just about all checks from the USG, Deep State people will be near helpless to do anything. Lisa Page can explain all this better than most.
     
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  29. watcherchris

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    Wow Pragmatist,

    You are bringing back memories on the verge of being sent to history. A history in which I was a participant on the periphery....

    In 1972 I was assigned the NATO base at Keflavik, Iceland. THE 57th Fighter Interceptor Squadron. We were about to receive new aircraft from the factories at McDonald Douglas ...the E model of the F4 Phantom. We had already received the mock up work benches for the inertial navigation platforms and were in the process of setting them up in the transition from the 20+ year olde F102 Delta Darts.

    When the Yom Kippur war broke out in Israel and the Israelis were losing badly in the early days and were in the process of losing and being over run.

    Overnight we got rush orders to breakdown our mock ups to ship them out, Tech manuals too. These were being sent to Israel.

    When we finally got our replacement aircraft.models..they were 10 year olde F4C models.

    It was years later, after I'd gotten out of the Air Force, I learned that Nixon had quickly re armed the Israelis to prevent them from going nuclear and carrying out their SAMPSON OPTION.

    The average American has no clue what Nixon had done to prevent nuclear ARMAGEDDON and only know him for the Watergate business which was to completely overshadow everything in America.

    To this day very few Americans have ever heard of THE SAMOSON OPTION and I believe this is deliberately cultivated.



    Pretty much what is being repeated today with Trump and Company. Deja Vu.


    Oh ...and before I forget....well said here...well said!!!!


    MY non Ishmaelite ,02,

    Watcherchris
     
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  30. watcherchris

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    Abortion is mass gaslighting on a nationwide scale. Abortion was sold to America under one explanation but has clearly morphed into it's true purpose....buying the female vote...for the left. This is being done by subsidizing the female sex life.

    At one time it got so stupidly bad in this country that Abortion became the litmus test for most public offices. Even dog catcher...not unless you gave your stance on abortion.

    This is how we get conned and why I am often saying to watch for the next emotional made to order issue by which to herd us...or silence us.

    I am not against abortion per se. I am against the public being forced to subsidize someone else's sex life without themselves getting any foreplay. In other words..don't do it/screw people on the public breast.

    Have all the abortions you want ...just pay for them yourself...not on the public purse.


    Again John Maynard Keynes....

    https://www.azquotes.com/author/7958-John_Maynard_Keynes/tag/inflation

    Stealing....confiscating ...subsidizing votes on the public purse.....Abortion. Rigging the voting marketplace on the public purse.

    This is what Ishmaelites do...stack the deck and put others into economical and social bondage....without most even detecting how or why it is being done.



    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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    Which country on Earth is the number 1 purchaser of ultrasound machines? Answer: China. Pregnant women want to know as soon as possible whether their child is male or female. If the child is female, she is killed via abortion. Male children are more valued, for they carry on the family name and they stand to bring in more money during their lifetime. Retirees look towards their sons to provide support when they can no longer work. The socialist systems do not provide adequate care.

    Run that little tidbit of truth by a feminist. Wear goggles and protective clothing, because the Jane Fonda wanna-be crew might just explode. Don't want to get that on you!

    By the way, 50,000,000 men in China have no female to marry due to the massive abortion rate. Those 50 Meg men will become an army China is going to have to march. Surplus men = war (to keep the peace at home) Get the service medals and body-bags ready!
     
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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    Understand the basics of what you experienced at Kef, Iceland for the emergency resupply.

    The "average American" could not readily locate Iceland on a map of the North Atlantic. Watergate is still held to be a botched campaign burglary by a team of criminals from a political org that had won 49 of 50 states' electoral votes. The average American and the "above average" American eg the college professors, the pseudo-journalists, have no idea of what the recent death of J. Edgar Hoover did to create the Palace coup d' against Nixon.

    Yes, indeed, Deja vu. Team Trump learned from Watergate and politically counter-attacked. Lisa Page just might become our next Fawn Hall. Fawn was a USN Civil Servant assigned as staffer to Ollie North when LTC North worked in the Old Exec Office Bldg working Achille Lauro hijacking rescue, Iran-Contra and much else in the service of the nation. (I campaigned for Ollie when he ran for US Senate from Virginia. [He did not have the major qualification for this office: being married to LBJ's daughter. Governor/Senator elector Chuck Robb won]).

    The Samson Option has now expanded into a 3 pronged spear. Israel "unofficially" announced they have the ability to "destroy all European capitals". We can omit Ref, Iceland and Valetta, Malta. It must be "suitcase bombs". A push to shove SHTF confrontation will witness many a document released to the public by their intel service. It surely wasn't only Soviet General Rodenko, Stalin's Chief Prosecutor at Nuremburg and Fidel Castro that knew UN Director Kurt Weldheim was not in law school during WWII but busy torturing Tito's partisans in Yugo. Much else is surely in the files to include Kissinger info. We do live in interesting times. The 3rd prong I'm learning about will be the release of the rest of the Dead Sea Scrolls in re the early real foundation of Christianity.

    Yes, again: Deja vu.

    Trump is our Lincoln: saving the Union.
     
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    by OLDE GEEZER,

    Wow!! 50 Meg men with a massive "oil shortage."



    Lol lol lol.... The rest of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    They've had how many years to release them???

    Someone was looking for some mew revelation in them and they have been continually let down.

    What the scrolls have done is to confirm what the KJV version declares were the conditions in Israel at the time of the Roman occupation.

    I am aware of the attempts by people like Barbra Thiering and Michael Eisenburg to re write or re interpret what the scrolls say.

    The problem with the scrolls is that they do not paint a flattering picture of Israel in those times. Neither does Flavius Josephus in his "Wars of the Jews...and Antiquities of the Jews."

    Some heavy reading in Flavius Josephus.


    Thanks,

    Watcherchris

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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    Some Dead Sea Scrolls never released.

    Biblical Archaeology Magazine keeps us guessing.
     
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    RBG also has pushed for lowering the sexual age of consent to the age of 12.
     
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    If we can't fix the education system, we can at least fix the court system. Go President Trump!!!
     
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    I am really hoping that if we see Donald Trump re-elected that we see a huge ramp up of his policies shortly after the election. Especially in the areas of illegal immigration, removal of Obama appointees and nominations and appointments to the judicial branch.
     
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    Both systems are in desperate need of repair.




    As a good good woman taught me....they are stealing the very childhood from our children...bringing them into adulthood before their time.

    In history it is the pagan nations and people who often defined themselves, their culture, their holidays by sexual practices around these holidays.

    Read …. The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop

    https://www.amazon.com/Two-Babylons...93AAAKTMWW5&psc=1&refRID=G243H6DBW93AAAKTMWW5


    Here you will find the origins of many of our Holidays back into history. Very enlightening and telling to inquiring minds.


    Thanks,

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    Is Israel a nuclear power?
     
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    Having flown around the world at least 6 times in the Sim, I practically know where damn near every country is. Been to Iceland many, many times. And up North beyond Norway to that Arctic island known as Noraustlandet where I guess they have a bunker there with the world's plant seeds in case we need them. There's also a NSA listening post there.

    It's either Noraustlandet or Spitsbergen.
     
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    Wow!!!

    Not hard to piece together when many of the more advanced scientists and mathematicians on or associated with the project were Hebrews. This...no matter the silence of Israel or....our government too.

    Watcherchris

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