Stoves??

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  1. Dalewick

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    Will a Biden/Harris presidency outlaw wood stoves? Coal stoves?

    Dale
     
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  2. Alaskajohn

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    Well, that would suck for me and almost everyone else living remotely. I wouldn’t discount the insanity that the Biden/Harris would unleash on America.
     
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  3. varuna

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    Its should be BAN! Do you realize how many animals were displaced from their home just for fuelling that hideous thing you called stove?!

    OMG Coal user should be criminalized! Its increasing the carbon release. And the fume OMG its so toxic one barely able to breathe when exposed to it.

    Just give you a preview of what's coming
     
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  4. poltiregist

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    This idea of banning wood burning heaters and stoves was floated under the Obama dark ages . Under that threat is when I bought my wood heater . I wanted it in my house before it was banned . This ban on wood burning devices , I consider a real possibility . Teotwawki will be interesting but certainly not welcomed .
     
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  5. Dalewick

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    Varuna, your a troll or an idiot. Your choice.

    Dale
     
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Dale,

    Here in Virginia there is a partial restriction on wood stoves.

    I believe the old types are catching the static.

    There's an insurance company in southwest Virginia that charges larger home insurance premiums for even possessing a wood stove that's not used.

    Not familiar with coal stoves. Much coal moves south of here for export to countries that are increasing their standards of living regardless of the coal dust.

    I've already ditched my wood stove for a Jimmy Carter warm sweater and propane. I did not ditch my outside wood fire place.
     
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  7. varuna

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    That is what coming from Harris administration. May not be aimed against stove specifically but make no mistake there is already talk of US going back to Paris Accord, which is really bad for other country that intent to exit from the Paris Accord
     
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  8. BSHJ

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    Sorta off topic but.......speaking of woodstoves and fireplaces.......can you use concrete hardi-plank as a heat reflector in the back of a fireplace?
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    Wood burning is part of a natural cycle and actually causes very little in the way of pollution. a tree grows by taking in carbon dioxide, using the carbon to build the tree, and releases the oxygen. When the tree dies or if it is burned the release is once again carbon dioxide. Coal is slightly more of a problem but not much in modern places. we have several coal-burning powerplants around here and they are as clean burning as natural gas. No smoke and no smell. The smoke that you might see is actually steam. They make steam and use that to spin the turbines. The smoke from the coal is burned and about all that is released is filtered carbon dioxide.

    If you allow the tree to die and rot it will release the carbon as carbon dioxide. The old style of open coal-burning only actually used a part of the possible fuel content and indeed a lot of it went up and into the air as smoke. A well-run coal-fired plant now even burns the smoke and gets well over 90% of the possible use out of the coal. You could live next door to the plant and never smell a thing and it wouldn't stain your clothes on the line like it used to.

    The US has generated most of our power with coal up until fairly recently. Now we are doing more Natural gas and nuclear is on the rise and should eventually become the primary source.

    Good article and chart showing the changing ways of generating power in the US.

    https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/anim...ctricity-generation-by-fuel-source-1949-2019/
     
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  10. randyt

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    that would probably be ok but I would space it off the wall a inch using screws and spacers cut from emt or some such.

    The 1 inch spacing is a reduced clearance method used when there isn't enough clearance to the stove or pipe. Single wall pipe is required to have a 18 inch clearance to combustibles, a unlisted stove is the same 18 inches.
     
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    Good info and thanks! Where I really want to use the Hardi-plank is INSIDE my existing fireplace where the original firebrick panels are cracked and crumbling. It does not appear easy to pull the old ones for new replacements.....and the new panels are terribly expensive (but then, compared to burning the house down I guess I should not sweat the expense)
     
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  12. randyt

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    ya know I was thinking woodstove, hardi plank in the back of a fireplace should be fine. Not sure of the longevity.
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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    I sure hope that they do. This and 10,000 other socialist regulations affecting Heartland America. I hope that coal-fired electric generation plants are totally banned.

    These things will send the Civil War II stove heat well past the DANGER ZONE.

    Let it all burn.
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  14. wally

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    not sure but it would have to be fire resistant or hardened against heat...
     
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  15. poltiregist

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    Sounds like fire clay may help your problem . It likely can be found at a brick manufacturing plant . They can give a better explanation to fire clay's abilities than I .
     
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    take a chunk of hardi plank and throw it in a campfire to see how it holds up.
     
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  17. Dalewick

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    I wouldn't use it. Under fireplace type heat it crumbles. You can buy 1 inch fire brick to line your stove and make fire clay mortar for the joints. If your lining isn't to far gone you can fix it with fireclay mortar or a commercial mix. Most blacksmith shops (on line) sell the mixes.

    I've used fire clay to line my foundries and forges. It does really well up to about 2300 degrees F.

    Dale
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Yep.

    In this house (we've moved several times, state to state), one of the first things I HAD to do was fix its fireplace. Has big fireplace and so I thought, we can cook in there. That required that ironwork be installed. I hired a fireplace mason to put that puppy right. You gotta have fire brick and fireclay mortar. You gotta think, how do I get air into this fire without having the inside air of you home being sucked up the chimney. Without this being done exactly right, what you have is a fire hazard. Do fireplaces, wood-stoves, and chimneys right or you'll burn your house down -- maybe with your family inside. Unless you possess top-notch masonry skills yourself, find and pay a skilled mason who does.

    I have a setup like our ancestors used to have including a big iron arm and hook to hang pots over the burning logs. I also sometimes put a cast-iron camp stove inside the fireplace to cook. Take out the grate, put in the cast-iron.

    As a kid, we burned coal in our fireplaces. That requires a special grate because coal fires can get as hot as seven hells. Coal burning sometimes gives off a methane plume and that you'll see it as a blue-fame jet. That was my goal when arriving home from grammar school in winter -- to build a hell soufflé. The dried oak kindling with nut-size coal atop. When in the fire's maturity, the underfire goes white-yellow like the surface of the sun; the coal atop forms a crust. At this point you take the poker and knock a hole in that crust. A blue flame will shoot out. The flame is that beautiful blue -- by-god hot. As a kid, I used to perpetually have melted eyebrows ... with a smile on my face.
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  19. BSHJ

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    Thanks for the information, that makes sense about crumbling under the heat.
     
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  20. Dalewick

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    That's when the coal becomes coke, which is what you work at as a blacksmith. The coke will melt steel when enough oxygen is supplied and after it completely burns up your left with the ash, which is called clinkers. If you don't control the air flow into a coal stove with the damper, it can make a fire hot enough to melt out the bottom of a stove. I accidentally melted the grate out of a coal stove many years ago. Forgot to shut the damper and the whole stove was glowing when I went back. Bad night.

    Dale
     
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  21. arctic bill

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    what i did behind my wood stove was to install 1 Inch metal strapping. then durorock (cement board) then i finished with ceramic tile and grout. I works great and the insurance company approves.
     
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      I did similar but with faux stone behind my wood stove. Works great.
       
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