Strange "assault" Type New Guns

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  1. TexDanm

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    One of the strange things that seems to be coming out all over the gun world right now it the assault lookalikes in all sorts of actions. There is an “assault” lever action rifle, several “assault” bolt action rifles and an “assault” pump action shotgun. What I mean by “assault” is that they have the adjustable plastic stocks, pistol grips and the Mattel plastic gun look that the M-16 made famous. The bolt action and the pump shotgun also have larger capacity detachable box magazines.

    The lever action looks weird to say the least. The bolt action looks a little like a plastic M-14 until you notice the bolt action. Of them all the pump with a detachable box magazine is a good idea. I WANT a 20 shot 12 ga pump if I'm dealing with a crowd!! The gun actually comes with 10 round mag but you just know that if it goes over well there will be bigger after market ones coming. If the pump goes then I'm sure an automatic won't be far behind. Right now Saiga is about the only weapon in this type out there.

    The liberals will go ape/bat-$hi+ crazy if these things get popular. They think that anything that looks like an assault weapon is just naturally more deadly and dangerous than anything and somehow makes good law abiding people become murderers. Have any of you seen any of these in person yet. What do you think. Is it a serious idea or just a silly sort of idea?
     
  2. Keith H.

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    This style of gun is Favorited by many people, more so in America than Australia. In Australia these are illegal. Frankly I don't see the need for these "assault look-alikes", though I can see the attraction. I think the law here is way over the top on multi-shot magazines, some being restricted to 5 rounds such as on the underlever 12 gauge that the government are trying to ban. Pump action & semi-auto are on special licence here, classed by the anti-gun lobby as assault rifles, even the shotguns! Deer hunters are asking for high powered rifles, but frankly I think they should just learn to hunt. Most gun owners over here are shooters, not hunters. Long range stuff using scopes. I don't class that as hunting.
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  3. Bishop

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    I gave a Mossberg 30/30 that has the ar stock and flash suppessor I us for my Jeep gun what drew me to was the stock could collapse or extended and different size people could shoot it
     
  4. TexDanm

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    How does it handle? I've only seen them in magazines and they look sort of awkward. How light is the stock and does it carry well?
     
  5. Old Geezer

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    The "assault" terminology can obviously be nothing more than a gimmick. Me, I don't like the word at all. I mean, is this a battle rifle or not. Manufacturers are putting Picatinny rails on every manner of firearm and this sure doesn't turn them into anything other that what they were before, firepower-wise.

    What disturbs me are all those folk who know nothing of firearms, yet wish to arm-up in a day and say that they are ready. I see people at the range who need to be trained, but they are arrogant or worse. I've left the range due to the presence of these dangerous idiots. And I've seen them "training" other people!!!! I've had my instructor certifications for rifle and handgun ... then I witness what's going on at the range. What's one to do, acquire Kevlar underwear complete with titanium cup?! Scary stuff and it makes me angry too.

    Start some "survivalist school" and you'll get your pants sued off one day when some Bozo pulls a turbo-stupid and sez, "Yep, that's what I was taught."
     
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  6. Bishop

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    Yes it handles very well it has a little more drop in the stock than most 30/30 it's no lighter than a wood stock the for grip can take a light also
     
  7. watcherchris

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    I own one of those bolt action rifles you describe TexDanm. It is a Mossberg .308 Patrol rifle and comes in an artificial non adjustable stock and has an AR type threaded muzzle brake on it . The brake can be removed and a thread protector nut applied or other "suitable tools" of the appropriate thread pitch.

    I chose this rifle after learning how heavy my .308 Ishapore Enfield rifle can be. This is a full sized battle rifle and it shoots well..but it is indeed heavy ...particularly after putting 12 rounds in the box magazine.
    The Mossberg Patrol with artificial stock and shorter barrel is much lighter than the Enfield.

    http://www.mossberg.com/product/mvp-patrol-rifle-27738/

    The Mossberg can be fed from the factory magazine or from M14 20 round magazines or from Mag pull .308 magazines in 10 or 20 round capacities.
    What I like about this design is that you are not stuck using expensive factory made magazines. My magazines are MagPul from Outdoor World..mostly 10 rounders.

    20 rounds makes the rifle a bit awkward and ten rounds is fine. It comes with a factory 5 round magazine.

    I've only shot it out to 100 yards and it shoots fine. I have put glass on it ( Redfield 3 x9) but also it comes with Iron sights which also sold me on it.

    I like the .308 as it is adequate for most of the larger American Game and also and especially .308 is available coast to coast as well as used by the military. It is also a reloaders dream in component availability and versatility.

    I have enjoyed this rifle right next to my Enfield for just sitting on the bench and taking my time shooting them.
    I should tell you that the Enfield has quite a kick to it with that hard metal butt plate. This Mossberg is a joy by comparison with a padded rubber butt stock.

    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
  8. watcherchris

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    As far as I am concerned....the left wants no firearms in America among the common people...

    The only ones to have access to firearms are government ruling class people..and or those specially authorized.

    The Term Assault ...is a watchword designed to frighten people...who can only "Emote " and not think for themselves.



    The Major term "Assault " here in America and through out most of the world is an "Assault" on thinking for yourself.


    You.......We.......are not supposed to be able to think outside of the authorized sanctioned PC dictates.


    Once again....if you cannot be trusted with a gun and or ammunition ....you will never be trusted with a vote.
    Someone will rig the vote as well as they are trying to rig our vocabulary and also rig our unthinking emotions to put us on their control PC puppet strings.

    I verily dislike when I detect someone in the news or leadership trying to stroke my emotions, set the hook , and reel me in by the technique of bypassing my thinking apparatus....my ability to think for myself.

    Something is very very wrong with a government which will not trust it's people to be armed. And I am speaking here ...mentally, spiritually, as well as physically armed.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,

    Watcherchris
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    If those imbeciles can't understand that an AR-15 is not the same as an M-16 how can you expect them to understand that letting criminals be the only people armed in a civilian society is stupid. Freedom is something earned and then protected. Liberals nether deserve it nor will keep it if they get their way.
     
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  10. Squirtgunsquirter

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    Every thing is "assault" like everything is "tactical". It's a fad, and fad's sell. I know a guy that does pistol grip checkering, and for a while his business was booming. But that was all he did, and now the fad is passing, and he is hurting. He gave me some business advice, that I get on facebook and twitter and really follow trends if I want to make it. Wolf Grey is cool, sure. But Olive Drab has been around since WWI. Trends are a thing, but I prefer things that have withstood the test of time.

    Assault this, Tactical that. It will pass. Any old bolt action rifle in .30-06 that is well maintained and sighted in is a hell of a tool in the right hands. No names or trends are going to change that.
     
  11. TexDanm

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    I love those "tactical" self defence flashlights!!! What great idiocy!
     
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  12. Tom Williams

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    All assault or tactical term does to something is raise the price of it
     
  13. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer,


    We used to have a fellow at the gun club who liked to shoot his SKS Rifle and would bring those tins of 7.62 x 39mm ammunition. What this fellow would do is sit at the bench and bang away...round after round after round.
    You would quickly realize he was just making noise....had seen to many movies.

    I got to where I would wait for him to leave....or move to the other end of the range. It got irritating ...being around him shooting.

    I've not seen him in a long time now...and don't miss his presence.

    Watcherchris.
     
  14. Old Geezer

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    Stories

    Out at range back in the mountains. Group of ninja nuts / self-styled military wanna-be crackers / I don't know what. Saw them from my truck in the parking lot; shouldn't have gone to the benches, but I was youngish and did. Saw one guy bow to his target. Another fellow psycho-babbles to me. I leave.

    Out at range, one guy let's his boy go kneeling position with BB-gun in front of my bench. Too many idiots. I leave.

    Out at range, one guy comes out with fully auto AK, not one speck of finish on the metal. Not being able to control his weapon, Barney walks a bunch of rounds up into the mountain forest beyond the end of the range. I leave.
     
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  15. Squirtgunsquirter

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    Old Geezer, where the heck are you at? I've only ever been on two ranges, one was just a quarry but it was a membership only range, and I never saw anything like that. Ever. And it was rural. The other was a... professional only range, I guess you would call it. Federal and local law enforcement, or contractors.

    I have had zero bad experiences. And I have what I would consider more range time than the average gun owner.

    Is your range the only one in the area? Maybe there is somewhere less public.

    Where I am, the only option is a Law Enforcement range, open to the public on weekends, but it is bench shooting only, I can't do any movement drills or rifle/pistol transitions, and so it is useless to me.
     
  16. Keith H.

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    Been there too mate!!! The mind boggles!
    Keith.
     
  17. Old Geezer

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    https://dnr.wi.gov/education/outdoorskills/shootingranges/RangeLocations.html
    Are you in Wisconsin? You mentioned a river running out of WI and into IL.

    The Cherokee National Forest maintains ranges. Iowa Dept of Natural Resources maintains ranges. I could go on and on. I've lived in several states. When working for the Forestry Service in Tennessee (I was a kid), one place my crew worked was a rifle range that I myself always used. Lots of states build ranges for the purpose of keeping the shooters from shooting from roadsides or from using road-signs as targets. Anywhere in S.Appalachia road signs are Swiss cheese. Iowans have a lot of German blood in them, so their rifle ranges are well-built and have rules and rules and rules and ..... (don't get me started about German behavioral patterns, I used to work for them).
     
  18. Squirtgunsquirter

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    I'm in Madison, Old Geezer.

    I've looked at all the ranges in the area. Many of them are pistol ranges (I haven't asked, but I doubt they would like my AR pistol) or skeet and trap only.

    As it is, I can drive 2 hours to a place I can do anything, but the lack of good ranges is yet another reason to move, as if I needed more.
     
  19. watcherchris

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    Wow!! That explains a lot there chief.

    Watcherchris
     
  20. Squirtgunsquirter

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    Chief? What does it explain?
     
  21. watcherchris

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    Chief...figure of speech...I call lots of people Chief.


    It explains this ...

    Thanks ,
    Watcherchris.
     
  22. Squirtgunsquirter

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    Ah. Yeah, this place sucks. If you are a conservative, or Libertarian, or even just a white guy who believes in freedom and sees the hypocrisy a liberal socialist agenda, this place is... sad.

    Wisconsin is nice, everywhere west and north of Madison.
     
  23. Old Geezer

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    Well, crap.

    Hope you can find a job & place to live in America.

    I've lived in two cities that were ostensibly in the USA, however they wanted to be European. I got out of both. The people in those places were unfriendly and unprepared for even the most minor of upsets. Living amongst sheeple is dangerous -- even living near them is risky. Gang members are less dangerous, because when the SHTF, aggressive felons I'll simply put a .308 or shotgun slug through the center of them. Sheeple when stampeded swarm like locusts.

    Now living in small town America. Home repair businesses are busy as are agricultural sales. Place still has a family hardware store within walking distance of my house. People grow gardens. Low crime. I'm less than two miles from forested mountains. A small river runs through town and mountain streams feed it. The county is agricultural. The town could easily be re-industrialized and I believe that one day industry will return, just that it will be post-WWIII. I'm super serious about the last sentence. America did great after WWII because we bombed our competitors into oblivion -- sure wasn't Keynesian pump-priming that did anything (we were broke financially).
     
  24. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer,


    Yeah...that is exactly what my friend did when he retired from this shipyard. He moved back the mountains and lives outside of a small town in Tennessee. I talk to him on my ham radio on the HF/long wave bands when I can and save the phone costs. So far it has worked out great for him and his bride. We are both preppers...but radio was something we got into long before prepping. She has her Extra class license too.

    I want to visit him some time this year...when the weather breaks.

    That is how he describes it ...small town..small river....and few neighbors....but everyone civil..and decent...not two legged wildlife. He is even going back to church.

    Yup...home repair business...he has hired people to fix up his home he bought last year ...roof, siding, insulation, septic tank ,etc etc.
    He is about three quarters of a mile off the main road...and prefers it that way.
    He gets his water from a creek feeding his pond....but plans to put in a well some time down the road.

    He keeps telling me about a chicken place in Mountain City , Tennessee called Sherry and Jp's chicken house. I reckon I'm going to have to try it on the way to his place. He talks like it is a favored local place to go in Mountain City. He sure likes it and speaks of it often.

    Just looking at Google Earth and Google Maps...you can see that the pace of life is slower out there...more civil.

    Same thing when you get out of these cities and into the country down in North Carolina....a slower pulse or heart beat of life.

    I am happy for my friend of over 30 years and wish him and his bride well. He too has little use for Ishmaelites...or bondage which extends from the same.





    I've heard the same about the Minneapolis/St Paul area. How messed up it is.

    Been to New York City ..and it is a Sh-tHole. But when you get out of the city New York is a nice state.

    Richmond/Petersburg , Virginia are to big and to fast lane for me. Small town USA is fine with me...where they still have a main street and Mom and Pop Stores.
    I try to stop in these small towns when I can get to them and are not pressed for time when traveling. Places where it is not the same shopping center..the same McDonalds et al.
    To many American cities and towns are become Xerox copies of pabulum. ...uncivilized pabulum and two legged wildlife.


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
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  25. watcherchris

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    Oh...while I am at it...and before I forget...here is a bit of European History which reflects , over time , to American history and why as well as how we got to where we are today.


    It reflects on why Madison and Minneapolis /St. Paul are the leftitst bastions they are today.


    Back in the 1800's there was an attempt at revolution in many countries in Europe. This was an attempt to overthrow the monarchial rule in these nations.

    Much of this came out of the revolution of France in the late 1700s...and it became known as the "First Scientific Revolution."

    By the 1800s this revolutionary fever spread to other nations in Europe through a bunch of moneyed idealists which became known as "The Internationale." Out of this Internationale were to come two front people put there for propaganda purposes to hide the inside revolutionary group...of Ideaelists. These two front people were Fredrick Ingles and Karl Marx.

    These socialist ideas spread throughout Europe but failed to cause the change that was desired until WW1 and later the Russian Revolution.

    What happened is that many of these moneyed educated socialists revolutionary leftists had to flee Europe and many of them came to America where they became known as "The 48ers."

    Their descendants are still here today....and in many of todays leftist bastions across America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters


    I read about this revolutionary trend in Europe in two... out of the mainstream books...and the patterns behind much of this kind of thing...

    These two books are ..


    "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" By Nesta Webster


    "Occult Theocracy" by Edith Starr Miller....aka Lady Queenborough.


    What I found interesting was the history behind the French Revolution, the problems in Ireland and Scotland...and also the Revolutionary attempts to take over Europe. Revolution in Italy as well.

    Someone in Europe is using a new approach today to dissolve the olde order....and that is Immigration.

    This is obviously what is planned for America as well...to replace our current system...and to bring in an Ishmaelite system of bondage. This is a global attempt to bring in this new order and replace American as well as European ideas with Internationiale Ideals and thinking....World thinking and values. Ishmaelite thinking and values.


    For those not familiar with the pattern of Occult Religious Domination...the pattern from Ancient Times unto today is a form of

    "The Restoration of the True Brotherhood."

    This is a devout and religious dogma....going back to ancient times and known mostly to an inside group and they have never wavered from this goal.

    The method to do this is revolution ....however it can be done....through violence or the ballot box.

    What this brotherhood is trying to do is build a world in which the children of the bondwoman ..."shall be heir" with the children of the free woman.

    This position is entirely contrary to the Bible position found in Galatians chapter 4 wherein it states..."the children of the bondwoman "Shall Not Be Heir" with the children of the free woman."


    They want a world of Ishmaelites...and not those of Isaac.

    The plan....long term is to get rid of the line of Isaac and bring in the line of Ishmael.

    You can see this happening and being orchestrated if you know the indexes for which to look.


    This is why Americans must be disarmed....

    I am speaking here Physically disarmed as well as mentally and spiritually disarmed.

    Assault guns and their accessories are only a distraction on the way to this "disarmament" of which I am speaking.


    My .02,

    Watcherchris,
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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