Survival Rifles

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  1. Old Geezer

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    Silly me, but I see no insurrection involving air rifles no matter how powerful they are. Robbing a liquor store with a pellet rifle, no, just doesn't come to mind. Assassination via an air rifle ... hmmmm ... no.

    Mommy government herding her little children so they won't ever get hurt? Kind'a sounds like it.

    Liberty is dangerous to be sure. But that's for adults.
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  2. lonewolf

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    depends where you put the pellet, it aint no toy.
     
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  3. TexDanm

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    A quallity air gun is almost a must in my survival arsenal. It is great for feeding yourself. One person doesn’t need a big animal to make a meal. With a pellet rifle birds and squirels and all sorts of small game are easy to harvest. They are quieter than a 22lr round. You can easily carry several thousand pellets or even BBs for the 177 caliber rifles. THAT is a lot of small meals. A 22 caliber airgun is a little more powerful and will take rabbits. I have a pump powered crossman pistol and it is also great for small critters.
     
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  4. lonewolf

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    I dont like .177 air rifles I've always found them a bit lacking in performance, my air rifles are .22 and I have enough pellets stored away to last me several years, plenty of rabbits, squirrels, pigeons, pheasants, ducks and geese around here to put meat on the table in a post SHTF world.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    One cannot 100% count on a .22 LR to pierce a skull on larger game or humans. This is particularly true if the bullet hits with a glancing blow. A high-powered air rifle pellet (illegal in the UK) might -- and I do mean "might" -- penetrate the skull of a female or a child if the path of the pellet were straight-on. No hit-man is going to attempt a wet-job with an air rifle unless it is a specialty air rifle with more power than a very powerful common-mechanism air rifle. Professional killers don't trust .22 LR firearms -- that's only in the movies.

    Air rifles for small game? Sure, just the ticket! Dead is dead.

    The American Constitution's 2nd Amendment is NOT about owning a firearm for sport or recreation. Our Second Amendment is there so that the government will fear the people and not visa-versa.

    Voting actually means next to nothing if the system has been corrupted. Communist countries allow their people to vote ... for approved candidates. Tens of thousands of dead people vote in U.S. elections. American elections have been glaringly corrupt for waaaayyyyy over 150 / 200 years. Urban machine politics is at least 150 years old. Now instead of just handing out money -- which still happens -- the money is channeled through a fog of fake companies and boondoggle government projects.
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  6. lonewolf

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    I am not interested in shooting someone with an air rifle, an air rifle is for putting meat on the table, there are other means of dealing with intruders and looters, at a time and place where elections and voting are part of past history.
     
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  7. TMT Tactical

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    I have a PCP 22 caliber air rifle and it would be very effective on small game animal, at close ranges (50 yards and closer) but it would not be my first choice as a defensive weapon. Every weapon has it's best use niche. Edged weapons for close in hand to hand confrontations. Air rifles for small game procurement. Firearms for self protection and bigger game critters. The right tool for the right job.
     
  8. Old Geezer

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    Most preppers have the following as far as rifles categories go:

    > The air rifle category. Most folk have .177 caliber air rifles, but the .22 cal with more energy is becoming more popular.

    > The .22 LR family (rimfire) -- usually both in bolt action with a scope or aperture sights for accurate shots and also one in semi-auto config. for rapid follow-up shots should that situation be the item of the day. The best estimates are that over seven million have been sold; 7,000,000 = beyond popular.

    > The varmint rifle corral for dog/coyote/groundhog-sized critters. The .22 mag and .17 Remington are rimfire favorites. They are shorter range cartridges. There's dozens of centerfire varmint caliber cartridges -- these are for shooting at distance. Every person will tell you which is "the best". Ask fishermen which is the best fly or lure -- you'll get over ten thousand answers. Some folk buy an AR-15 semi-auto receiver with Picatinny rail atop and then put a heavy barrel on it for accuracy. The Picatinny rail allows them to mount whichever scope choice they wish -- this is super-popular.

    > The center-fire rifle category for larger game, for "reaching out there", and for perimeter defense in a SHTF scenario. Often a prepper will have two center-fire rifles just as in the case with the rim-fire class. One needs an accurate rifle with scope. The bolt-action is almost the universal solution to the latter. Then, one needs a fast-swinging carbine with multiple shot capability. As to this niche, here in the States, the two big categories in carbines are the semi-automatic and the lever-action (the pump rifle seems a bit of a topic unto itself and receives little attention). Being a history-buff / nostalgia kind'a guy, I like lever-actions -- too, they are very popular in mountainous areas east of the Mississippi (in rural areas among those native to the region, you'll find a lever in almost every household). Semi-autos are particularly popular with current and retired military & police -- the AR platform is that with which they trained, so that's their first go-to rifle configuration.
     
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      As I was writing this, a police cruiser just zoomed past our house; lights, siren, pedal-to-the-metal, engine roaring. Welcome to America! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
       
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  9. Old Geezer

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    When the AR.s come in handy:



     
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  10. TexDanm

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    We definitely have a serious hog problem in East Texas. They are big, run in huge groups, and will just destroy a garden or yard in one night. In the event of hard times though they will be a big source of meat.
     
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  11. Old Geezer

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    If one wishes to fence-in their garden, hogs will route underneath the fence like warf rats.

    If one uses netting with extra width so that the netting curves out to the outside, the hogs will come in stand on that extra netting and not understand that they'd have to go back a couple of feet to begin their tunneling. All of this would be horribly expensive.

    Electric fencing for horses has more voltage than electric fencing for cattle. I wonder if that would work against hogs.

    OK, so I went looking. This company has a product and some interesting input as to how to set-up the fencing:

    https://www.zarebasystems.com/learning-center/animal-selector/feral-hogs

    What I've read confirms that regular fences work for a while, but the feral hawgs eventually get under them. Putting barbed wire at the bottom level prevents to some degree the digging behavior of the pigs, but still ...

    Seems electric fencing may be the way to go, but the energy Watts / joules has to be high.
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  12. TMT Tactical

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    My Hunt for 22-250, continues!!! I am looking for a 22-250 with a 1-8 twist rate. Most are 1-10, 1-12, or 1-14. Those twist rates are too slow for the heavier .224 caliber bullets. Being frugal (okay Cheap) I want to shoot the same bullet (I reload) in my 556 as in the future 22-250. I did find one manufacture and model, the Tika TR3, with a 1-8 twist. If anybody knows of another manufacture, I would love to know. All suggestions gratefully appreciated. The Bear Creak Arsenal AR10 - 22-250 is now off the list, as it has a 1-14 twist rate. Darn, I really liked that option.
     
  13. Old Geezer

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    OK, so this could get expensive, but ... How about getting a receiver and kit, then order a custom barrel chambered for the 22-250 and the rifling at a fast twist rate. Or, read about the .224 Valkyrie.

    https://ammo.com/comparison/224-valkyrie-vs-22-250

    https://criterionbarrels.com/products/howa/howa-pre-fit-barrel/?v=7516fd43adaa

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      Thank you OG. I will start checking into the Howa and the 224 Valkyrie.
       
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