Survival Rifles

By Lonewolf......

I am not interested in shooting anyone with an air rifle as well.....but......I will remind you that my friend has one in .45 caliber.....and I am at some time interested in getting one in .30 caliber..

Now these are very serious air rifles....and definitely not toys per se....

No ....no real air rifle is a toy...they can seriously hurt someone.

MY current air rifle is a.22 pellet rifle....a break open model.


I also like the .22 caliber....pump type air rifles....such as the Sheridens.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Another thing to note, some pump action shotguns like the Mossberg 500 have been restricted to 2 in the magazine tube plus one chambered round. This was done to comply with federal wild-fowling laws and is easily reversed to turn your hunting shotgun into a far better defensive weapon with a five shell capacity magazine plus one chambered round .
Remove the barrel and the crown nut from the magazine tube and remove the wooden magazine plug. Replace the crown nut and barrel. Job done in less than five minutes…just don’t be tempted to go wild fowling with it unless you put the plug back first.

 

Search for "pump shotgun tube magazine extenders" reveals all manner of manufacturers and products :



Some ask, how is it safe to extend the magazine tube out past the muzzle? Shot patterns take several feet to begin to open up, so a couple of inches means nothing. Except that that extension is going to get burned/blackened a bit. Just clean it. Within this area extending beyond the muzzle will be where the magazine spring compresses. No shells will be out there.

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Attachable shot-shell holders can be handy. I have some that utilize Velcro. As one 5-shell holder empties, you just rip that off and attach another loaded holder. Since one of my shotguns is a 20 ga., it accommodates two 6-rnd Velcro holders = 12 rounds of 3"magnum #2 buckshot and/or slugs.



Hornady inc. sabot 20 GA SST® Slug 250 gr SST®



The 20 ga is not an itty bitty weapon.
The Hornady sabot-ed 20 ga. slug weighs 250 grains and is .45 caliber. At 100 yards, it still has much energy as a .44 Magnum at the muzzle. I have a rifled barrel for my Remington 870 shotgun. I've shot a 2" group at 100 yards with that puppy. Many hunters use these because they will drop a deer where it stands. Sabot slugs are designed to be fired from rifled shotgun barrels fitted with rifle sights or a scope. If one is going for LARGE or dangerous game, then the 12 ga slugs are a better choice.

12 ga vs. 20 ga.? Dead is dead.

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20 gauge firing a target load, i.e. #7 1/2 or #8 birdshot, a light load / lowest power, vs. a simulated human head (simulated skull, made of a heavy-type plastic or other robust man-made polymer) covered with ballistic gel and filled with red colored ballistic gel). Again, this is a very light load. It is only for busting clay pigeons at a skeet shooting range.




Here's a country guy demonstrating 20 ga slug capabilities. (He's the kind'a folk who are of my culture, S. Appalachia; this fellow's accent is very noticeable, not uncommon in the hills, but readily understandable; way back in the hills, you gotta be from there to understand them, I can readily understand them / speak like them.) He is firing 20 ga shotgun slugs of the most common variety, i.e. hollow-base soft lead, appox. caliber being around 0.60 inch (over a half inch in width).

 

Cartridge .308 Winchester (a.k.a. military 7.62 x 51 mm / 7.62 NATO), soft point hunting ammo vs. FMJ vs. milk jugs.



The FMJ penetrates further ... DUH! Real take-aways are these: Soft point bullets actually mushroom in just water. One would imagine that only meat and bone would mushroom a bullet -- nope. Next take-away is that an FMJ still generates an horrific amount of hydrostatic shock. One imagines that it would just sail on through without blowing up water jugs -- nope.

Having said the above, FMJ bullets mortally wound game animals, but it takes hours maybe days for them to die -- sick stuff, that. Never hunt deer with FMJs. It is inhumane and outrageously illegal (cruelty to animals). Well placed soft point bullets kill instantly or well less than a minute. Don't take a hunting shot unless you can kill it right then and there where it is standing.

Sometimes there's the "dead man's ten seconds". Mortally wounded humans shoot back before they drop.
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I use the FMJ ammo for "range blasting". I place blocks of wood, plastic jugs full of water, all manner of things downrange (>100 yards) and open-up on them. This sure isn't sighting-in or target shooting. I'm just looking to destroy some sh##. When I was born, the dance of Shiva became frenetic.

FMJs are useful when having to bust engine blocks to disable vehicles. They are useful for shooting through walls, floors, ceilings, roofs, any semi-lightweight construction materials, ... . If your attacker seeks cover, you gotta shoot through that cover to neutralize this enemy of yours. An unprotected human can be dropped by a .22 LR to the head; however, people, good and bad, have a marked aversion to getting shot. People get behind things to avoid this. When it hits the fan, there will be a whole lot of getting behind things. Lead in the air. Unpleasantries will abound when the cops aren't around. We will all be on our own to make bad things go away.

Does everyone have their military helmets, flack jackets, ... what-nots. I do.




Note: Post-SHTF, do NOT wait for an assailant to get into your house! Shoot them through the door, shoot through the wall, shoot through whatever separates the monster from you and your family. On TV and in the movies, the actors hide behind walls to keep from getting shot. Fantasy is fantasy. Post-SHTF, I'm using firearms and ammunition that blow holes through walls. Do you have to know where all the friendlies and family are located? Sure enough. But if I've got a clear (and safe for my friendlies) shot through a wall at an aggressor, I'm taking it. Cinder block wall? I've got toys to take care of that. Interior or exterior wood frame walls might as well be tissue paper.
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I've a couple of the above shoulder-buster Nagants. Short range numbers they are, but you don't want to be within two or three hundred meters from them. I've banged little rocks and chunks of wood out at 175 yards with the last one I picked up for a song. This is the one that I didn't need to drift the front site -- it was true for windage = freeking miracle.

My British Enfields (and Aussie) are collectors, but they sure do shoot true.

For these old war horses, don't forget to get plenty of stripper clips. Shoot the surplus ammo for familiarization. Buy new cartons for "when it counts". Last at the range, I fired both. Gotta know where the new/true ammo places at distance.

These CAN serve as home defense post-SHTF, because sometimes you gotta be able to shoot through exterior walls to engage aggressors. In the movies, actors shoot out of windows and this up close to the window or door opening. This will of course get you killed in seconds. All skilled snipers shoot from the back of rooms or through small holes blown in exterior walls. If an attacker hides behind the side of a wall of a door or wall, shoot through that wall at their location to neutralize him/her. FMJ .30 cal. rounds go right through walls -- especially frame/wooden walls. If the enemy is on a floor above or below you, shoot through the floor or ceiling to neutralize them. Squeaky wooden floors give away your position, their position. Rubber soles don't "cluck", i.e. give away your location.

Women: If you are attacked and you are wearing high heels, kick them off and run like the wind. Uncomfortable footwear can get you raped / killed.

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Poor man's sniper rifles. One can come by a very accurate rifle and scope for under $700. I'm talking NEW. And remember that the old ones in good condition work just fine. I deeply know this subject. Hunting rifles make dynamite make-do sniper rifles especially during SHTF years. They'll be mega-valuable. Buy as much ammo as you can afford.




The young man (yet hasn't outgrown his boyhood) in the following video calls those who use rifle rests "sissies". He is an idiot for saying that. He is also an idiot for not using the rifle's sling to steady his shots. All true marksmen know how to use the rifle's sling to tremendously improve accuracy. All my rifles have slings. My best rifles have instantly-adjustable sling length slings. Competition rifle team first lessons include proper sling usage. Been there first as a student, later the instructor. Had one unimaginably bad-@$$ retired (actually these men never retire, they have become what they are, burned into the soul) combat/intel Army retired fellow on my six-o'clock running the range. Discipline was our Bible.

The boy is good with his rifle, yet has volumes to learn and a soul to be grown. It'll be a long march to maturity for him. Watch him hit his target -- this gives him false confidence.







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slings

I must have posted this video a dozen times, yet truth is truth and reminders are always helpful. One could call this Sling Usage 101. One must first learn the following before moving on to more advanced techniques. I mean this. I'm right about this. Learn the following first. Had my expert marksmanship badge at age 17. Did I use a sling standing, kneeling, and prone? Yes. Brain damage not to do so.




Advanced sling usage for more modern rifles and their sharpshooting:




There are specific sling usage techniques for assault rifle accuracy. When searching for sling use videos, you'll find stack of info for this purpose. You'll also find great variation in techniques. Re-qualified for expert at an Army range (visitor; techie crap/medical/passing-info business) at age 55-ish. Used new-fangled M4 laser crap and all that. Did I use a sling? Hmmmm .... What'd'you'think!

Some things do not change. Human ergonomics are the same irrespective of the millennium. We are what we are.

If you use your mind and learned skills, you do not have to pay a fortune on accurate rifles. Since the price of military surplus rifles have gone insane, just go with proven NEW budget-priced rifles. Many now come with a scope. Hey, that's great! SHTF, you'll likely never be shooting out past 500 meters anyway. If you are in the mountains and wilderness areas, you sure will not have long distance shots to make.
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Shooting long range with crosswinds is instructive / irritating. But then if one plans on having to engage the enemy at distance, then this training must be accomplished.

6.5 mm boat-tail bullets have dynamite sectional density numbers. The heavier ones are often described as "flying pencils". As I've said before, 30 years back I had a friend who fell in love with the 6.5 Swede. He bought several of these rifles and did a lot of experimentation with reloading (brilliant engineer). I've fired these and they are low recoil and fun to shoot.

T/C Compass price sure is swell -- especially in today's market.
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Wow!!!

I knew nothing about this tool...Olde Geezer and decided to look it up.

I liked what I saw..and particularly starting with the knob on the bolt action.

And you are correct...on the price...

But alas...I am not ready for another bolt action ....having bolts aplenty.

But ...it is ...tempting...at that price.....tempting!!! Makes the Force become weak!!!!!

When I read that article...the "Force" became weak!!!!!


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

If you are purchasing a survival rifle carbine chambered for a handgun caliber, keep in mind that a longer barrel doesn't improve the velocity of the 9mm over a handgun barrel length. There ARE a couple or so ammo manufacturers whose 9mm (124 grain bullets) actually do speed up in a longer barrel. It's just a pain restricting your ammo choices to specific loadings.

On the other hand, both the .40 S&W and .45 Colt Automatic chamberings DO benefit from longer barrels. Thus if you are undecided on a handgun chambering in a semi-auto carbine, you may just want to go with the .40 or .45. These cartridges are available in bulk (economy-priced) when buying FMJ ammo for range practice.

Keep in mind that these chamberings have heavier bullets and out of a carbine have devastating energy transfer, thus more likely to keep you and yours alive should you be attacked. Extended magazines are available so that should you be attacked by multiple aggressors, you will be able to better deal with the situation. Sticks mean fewer magazine changes. What with desperate packs of humans post-SHTF, one might need such.

In the non-warfare world, these will be better for protection against wild dog packs. For those living in areas of wild hog infestations, the .40 S&W and the .45 Auto are far superior in killing evil heavy hogs than any 9mm could ever think about providing. Hogs and dogs are very dangerous in the wild -- every year, humans get torn apart by them. Even if they don't kill you, they'll ruin your life. Children have lost limbs and their faces to these mean monsters. To kill hogs and dogs with handgun cartridges, you end up having to dump the magazine on them. Big hogs don't just drop. Hit one with a .308 and sure, that'll do the trick, but do you want to be firing a deer/elk rifle anywhere near other dwellings?! No!

"Ruger PC Carbine .40 S&W Review"

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/ruger-pc-carbine-40-sw-review/376901

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In 2020, a Milwaukee riot was just busting out the windows of local homes with rocks. Post-SHTF, they will be coming on into your home to do violence and take your possessions ... after you and your family are on the floor bleeding, dying. The non-prepared will go violent when they get desperate. Another grim truth is that Post-SHTF, the violent crews will also include your formerly-civilized neighbors. When people need to feed their kids, they will do anything, travel to any location, to obtain food.

"BLM rioters smash the windows of HOMES in Milwaukee suburb after a black officer was cleared in the shooting death of an armed black teen"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ers-smash-windows-HOMES-Milwaukee-suburb.html

-- Rioters were caught on video attacking homes, smashing windows in residential Wauwatosa on Wednesday
-- Police warned residents there to their lock doors and shelter inside away from windows during the mayhem
-- BML supporters were protesting over police shooting of black teen Alvin Cole, 17, outside a mall in February
-- He fired a stolen handgun; DA on Wednesday found black cop Joseph Mensah was justified in the shooting

"The violence followed a district attorney's decision on Wednesday that police officer Joseph Mensah was justified when he shot Alvin Cole on February 2, after the 17-year-old fired a stolen handgun outside Mayfair Mall in Wauwatosa.

"After nightfall on Wednesday, demonstrators smashed out storefront windows in Wauwatosa before marching down a residential street and hurling large rocks through the windows of homes, according police."
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Stealing gas is no problem for roving packs of human monsters.

 

Almost ALL survivalists (and American guys in general) own at least one .22 LR semi-automatic rifle. By 2015, over seven million, 7,000,000, Ruger 10/22 rifles had been sold -- no doubt that number is over 10 million today. That's just one brand.

Whereas it is no military rifle, it has MANY purposes; hunting, plinking, vermin control, ... . In a self-defense role, it can be used as a pin-down tool so that the good-guys can flank and take-out aggressors. The same is true of 9mm handguns and carbines -- they can pin-down / slow-down the enemy until more effective weaponry can be brought to bear.

Note that, of late, subsonic .22 LR ammo is offered in subsonic velocities that are loaded to cycle semi-auto actions..











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlpliC-cH0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0PxT-hCyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSumBzJ41lk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZjHaGBgHs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbSu_J0WgQc

 

I don't really care for the Ruger 10-22 series....

However...I understand that Ruger came out with a heavy barreled target version of the 10-22. Now that interests me....a more accurate version. But not enough to run out and buy one.

I have very accurate .22LR bolt actions...sufficient for that purpose and also an oLde model 60 Glenfield Marlin .22 semi auto back when they had the long barrels and tubular magazines. That rifle is accurate for a semi auto.

I understand Marlin quit making the Glenfield model 60 in the long barreled versions...now days they have shorter barrels and tubular magazines shorter to fit.

Nonetheless I am glad to have one of the older models.

I verily like a accurate .22 LR rifle and accurate pistol as well.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

A .22 automatic rifle is no self-defense weapon. It is a small-game hunting device -- stew pot meat-provider.

Have .22 LR chambered rifles killed people? Oh heavens yes!

One of my .22 rifles is a Ruger 10/22 with a heavy barrel. I would call it a semi-target rifle. The barrel sure will never warp when hot or anything else (you could beat a pig to death with it -- heavy); however, it does not have a target chamber, only true target rifles have that shorter chamber. I have a scope on that rifle. It's very accurate.

I guess one could engage in harassment fire with .22 automatics. Keep the enemies' heads down while your mates flank them. No .22 LR is going to penetrate a helmet -- that's for sure. Post-SHTF, you can count on the nasty-effective raiding parties to have stolen bullet-resistant vests and helmets. Police stations will get over-run with mobs. I hope the latter isn't true, but just three years back, a Antifa and BLM crew attempted to start a police station on fire, but the cops were able to drive them away with tear gas. That won't work for organized raiders. They'll have gas masks and will have stolen serious weaponry.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-protesters-set-portland-police-station-on-fire/
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Subtopic; one of my remembrances; certainly not any kind of necessary read:

When I was a boy (age 11 or 12?) a kid (age 14) who attended my church killed his father by emptying a .22 auto rifle into him. This when his father was beating the crap out of his mother ... again (no vigilance committees had taken this puke out, so the poor kid was left to do the deed). Nobody was going to blame the kid, not the sheriff's dept., nor the church. He was back in church within a month's time and was welcomed with open arms -- literally, one of the elders came up and gave him a big hug, told him this church was his home, and that he'd always be welcome. (In the Protestant Church, there are deacons and elders; deacons can be young, like age 30+; elders are literally elderly or at least age 50. Elders are the ones who actually run the church -- they hire and fire preachers/ministers. The name of a minister is on a plaque hanging by hooks on the church's front sign. The minister is replaced if he doesn't meet the standards of the congregation and elders. The deacons do all manner of work for the church; thus, must be dedicated or replaced. Protestant Churches in Southern Appalachia are hard-core Christian.)
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