The Coming Pandemic.

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  1. Keith H.

    Keith H. Moderator Staff Member
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    Many authorities have agreed that it is not a mater of if a Pandemic will strike but when!



     
  2. Keith H.

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    So what do we do when faced with a pandemic? Some of us live in the city, others in small rural towns, & yet others are already living off grid or on a farm. Is isolating yourself & your family good enough in a populated area, or should you consider getting out of Dodge? What do you do about mail delivery? What do you do about people visiting you? Can you really afford to stay in a populated area & go outside to do the shopping???
    Given your individual situations, what would you do?
    Keith.
     
  3. TexDanm

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    The thing is that the beginnings are already beginning to show up. More and more diseases that in the past were simply cured with a round of antibiotics are becoming resistant. Our constant use of antibiotics is rapidly causing an evolution that may eventually bite us in our collective butts. While viruses are at this time worse in general than bacterial infections they are not getting worse because we don't have many truly effective antivirals.

    There is a strain of flu going around right now that is like nothing that I've ever seen before. It drags you down and just keeps you down. I'm talking about being sick for a solid month! The problem with it beside the fact that it sucks to be sick for that long is that in your weakened state you are subject to other complications. My wife and I are in week SIX. I'm finally about over it but my wife is fighting pneumonia and fluid on her lungs that they are going to have to drain. If something like this were to come through after any major collapse of our current medical system it would be deadly. We would not have survived.

    It isn't always the initial viral that kills you. Once you get a virus though it is pretty well going to run the course. The killers will be the bacterial infections that we all have in and around us all the time that uncompromised immune systems normally have no problem handling.

    The thing is that these days any infection can be all over the world in just a few days. People just don't have any sense and will go to these places and then run home when an infection arises. Any highly infectious disease if released in an international airport can infect the world. It no longer has to be delivered to an enemy country. Eventually some crazy group is going to do this. If the disease is fast acting with a high mortality rate it will overwhelm the worlds medical systems. We all know that any problem like this is going to set of the near subhumans and they will riot and burn the cities down.

    Don't kid yourself about people. The subhumans are among us and are a growing percentage of our world population. These are the people that don't seem to have any ability to see the results of their actions and who kill indiscriminately. The subhumans are not of any particular race or nationality they are like some sort of genetic malady that resides in all people that rises up any time the regular people stop resisting them. Sadly it seems that bad times breeds good people and good times breeds bad people.

    As a worldwide culture what I'm talking about is how a sort of disease can eat up a culture like a viral can kill a lot of people. Our entire world is sick right now. In a time of truely unimaginable wealth the amount of anger and misery seems to be growing at an epidemic rate. The "poor" in the US live a life that most of the world only can dream of and yet we are constantly having problems. The same is true in most other first world nations.

    The most frightening part of this is that our governments instead of resisting this seems to be actively encouraging it. That is the only reason that I can think of for them letting in people that we know are from terrorist nations as if they were somehow needed. These people are somehow carrying an infection along with them. Terrorists at first were outsiders but more and more they are home grown. I honestly think that this is some form of mental plague. We aren't resisting anymore. As a culture our "immune system" has been compromised.

    I know that this has wandered but I see sickness of the mind as being as deadly as any other sort of plague.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    What with bacteria becoming resistant to modern antibiotics, we may have to return to the older sulfa drugs. Many folk, my wife among them, cannot tolerate these compounds.

    Preventing the spread of such contagions will be the primary means of fighting them. And as y'all have stated, that is going to be a royal pain to accomplish.

    Here in the USA, Hispanic immigration -- especially when there are waves of immigrants -- we see upswings in the Enterovirus (initials are EV) -D68, antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis, and the norovirus.

    Because of how easily mass migration is achieved, the robustness of the new contagions, and the resistance of such contagions to treatment there is likely going to come a mind-numbingly frightening plague or plagues. We will be caught even as were our ancient ancestors in a situation wherein we will be pressed to figure out our best course of action. In a world so overpopulated, how does one isolate their family. Consider also that some viruses spread between species. How scary is it when viruses jump back and forth between humans and birds.

    In the middle ages when the plague would hit, many would flee the cities. The same will happen in our age. Many will succeed in making it to rural areas and among them will be carriers.

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  5. TexDanm

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    One of the sad things that follows in behind any social breakdown is a return of the diseases spread via sewage contamination. People throw it out in a ditch, it rains and spreads it into all the area water sources and the net thing you know people are dying from the same old things, colora, typhus, dysentery... these germs are still all around us but our safe water supplies and good sewage treatment has made it unheard of in most civilized places.

    In the event of disaster you MUST take the time to correctly dig and use latrines. Just stepping out and making like a bear in the woods is going to come back to bite you in the ass. I am fortunate in that I have an old style septic system that requires no power. I will use my gray water to flush.
     
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  6. Keith H.

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    Good post mate, something for people to think about.
    Keith.
     
  7. Oldguy

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    When a pandemic strikes there is no telling how it is spread, it could be human to human it maybe via fleas or even bird droppings.
    Being isolated maybe useless if it is airbourne.

    Being healthy and informed maybe the best!
    Information will be essential, gather as much as you can.

    and being able to supply and administer oxygen might be the difference between life and death.
    The human body can fight off most anything given enough time, extending that time with hydration and oxygen will be the best most can do!
     
  8. lonewolf

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    a pandemic can spread from the other side of the world within 24 hours because of our rapid transport systems, that's one reason why I no longer use public transport, if I cant go in my own vehicle I don't go there. i'm already in a rural location, as soon as any pandemic hits these shores and it will start in the cities first because of the easy access to "hosts" we are going into total and complete personal isolation.
     
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  9. Keith H.

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    Agreed airborne only carries so far. Isolation is the way to go & staying away from people.
    Keith.
     
  10. lonewolf

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    removing oneself from the common herd is best, I read somewhere that diseases can only exist outside the human body for about 48 hours after that they die, the main exception is HIV which can survive for several weeks outside of a host.
     
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  11. TexDanm

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    Depending on what exactly the disease is there may be nothing that you can do to avoid it. In recent years the old question of why the plagues just seemed to fade out and disappear has been pretty much figured out. It KILLED everyone that didn't have a little basic immunity to reduce the level of the disease. The plague is still out there a kid in Oregon I believe popped up with it this year. The thing is that most of us are resistant to it.

    The plague can stay alive and actively contagious for decades waiting for you to come into contact with it or for someone that is immune to bring it to you. The good thing, if such can be called good, is that weaponized diseases are generally designed to have a short life span outside of a living victim.

    Basically I am sort of doomed if there is a massive pandemic. Between the University's 20,000 from all over the country and the Prisons 25,000 from all over the place any germ is going to get here quick and spread like a wild fire on the prairie. I don't see this as any worse than being in a city though and the good news is almost none of these people will be a part of the equation in any other sort of scenario. The short term survival chances for the kids and the inmates is GRIM to say the least.
     
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