The Coming Starvation

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  1. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    You did describe "the equivalent thereof". There were those living in Djakarta who lived without livestock. The fishing villages had small dwellings without livestock, to include chickens.

    One point I note here at Forum, is the use of words used with definitions not standard here. To an American audience, a "duffel bag" is the ~ 1 and a third meter tall cotton or nylon canvas bag. A larger bag is the "parachute bag". There are now many commercial bags - typically of nylon - called "duffels" but they are small.

    In a standard US Army duffel bag, I can load well-packed, healthy foods that would last much more than a week. Some of the empty containers from consumption are usable for additional purposes.

    The pocket stove with 3-4 tubes of hex fuel go in the field jacket or cargo vest pocket.

    In your second duffel bag - US Army size - goes the pot, pan, espresso maker, - all wrapped with towels or extra clothes or 2 tube tents.

    In your small apartment, could you not place under the bed mattress or sleeping mat about 30 -40 boxes of canned groceries for consumption when sheltering in place ?

    Don't forget 2 good quality can openers and a few "P-38" military can openers. Swiss Army knives of multi-tool models have a can opener as one of the gadgets.

    Consider a servant or girlfriend for an evacuation...economies of scale plays out well for all.

    You can do the proper preparedness - and the cost is little. 30-40 boxes of canned foods will be consumed before 2 monsoon cycles.
     
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  2. varuna

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    One of the duffels is standard issue. I don't have the exact measurement but I'm confident it is roughly similar to US standard issue (also in olive drab). While the other one is smaller commercial. I also put clothing article in the standard issue bag along with 2 (two) standard issue 24hour kit ration (which took space), along with commercial; (supermarket) foods, essential electronics (also took space). The rest of items including in the smaller bag are commercial (supermarket) just add hot water kind of foods, and critical paper documents. The main reason for choosing the approach is because my line of thinking has always based upon mobility, also I'm uncertain at which location I might be stuck during SHTF. Unfortunately during this time of the Great Plague such line of approach do seem to be unsuitable, because there isn't any place I could go :(

    Just in case your wondering what in the standard issue 24hour kit. I only have 2 set of this kind, because in most case I don't even need them.



    Unfortunately there isn't any space under the bed. And beside this is full furnished & full service apartment type, it came with all the furniture & appliances.

    GF live in her own place, although she stay with me half of the week. And she is not the type into prepping kind. In fact she rarely receive any direct sunlight unto her skin because her activity are mostly from one building to another. She just hop into awaiting car from the building lobby to another.

    Mostly its the space I do not have :(. I even doesn't have solution for sanitary water (shower & flushing), and power (portable generator is kept elsewhere, and it for business purpose)
     
  3. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    Now I understand the difficulties you face as a self-described poor person in a developing nation.

    Only half a week with girlfriend means half a week of suffering. Most Americans here don't know what you're going through.

    The complications of housing is not a new event. A fully furnished and full service small apartment with shortage of water and electric problems is not just complicated; it's a complex situation. Had initially thought you were living in a small place with only walls, a sink ... My memories of apartment living and what TexDanm described here, well, somewhat different.

    Prepping requires both rehearsed plans for evacuation and a setup for sheltering in place.

    Perhaps a reevaluation is needed for "2 (two) standard issue kit ration..." that's space intensive. For an evac you might not need melons and deserts. Consider healthy, well packed plastic jars of tree nuts, individually-wrapped trail bars, etc. Standard issue kit rations OK only if you've got a large support system. Standard issue anything is not the best - nor the best priced.

    You know your situation and environment best. Here it is different. A portable generator stored elsewhere - whether in a nearby mini-warehouse or Fak Fak, Irian Java translates to being the same. It is unavailable for Prepper planned use. It's like having a Folker seaplane waiting to take you and girlfriend to a safe destination but, like the generator, there is no seaplane available.

    Perhaps a reevaluation of your housing arrangements might be worth considering.

    Madam Prag, like girlfriend, is not into Prepping. That's why I feel like a pack mule. Madam Prag does appreciate the extra batteries and plastic-aluminum individual pouch chocolate bars I carry.

    Meanwhile, here in the advanced-development First World, getting a 24/7 girlfriend takes more than reevaluations.
     
  4. varuna

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    Indeed its hard & difficult to be living under $6 / day :(. I even resorting to eating dogs, fruit bat, insects, and reptiles on more than an occasion :( Poor me

    Actually my secondary dwelling (where I currently wrote this) is something similar to that (even less)

    The standard issue kit is more for just in case and force of habit. The rest of my foods are commercial off the supermarket shelf items. But finding any packed foods that is friendly to my gastric acid is also a problem on its own :(

    There is the $ issue and convenient about that :(

    Trying to explain the necessity of prepping to my GF would result in “Nur Bahnhof verstehen” according to her :(

    If she like the extra battery, you might wanna try use this. This type of power bank is what I currently use. It has max capacity to be allowed to fly in commercial scheduled flight anywhere in the world

    Anker PowerCore+ 20100 USB-C

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    And why is that? :confused: Its not like there is any legal ramification (domestic / civil union / inheritance) is it not? :confused:
     
  5. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    Perhaps an entire reevaluation with a new POA&M - Plan of Action and Milestones is needed. Living under $6/day involving a secondary dwelling - not knowing the specifics of P3 - all this cannot be discussed in a meaningful way.

    Gastric acid health matter, the previously mentioned depression, smoking (although excellent to keep mosquitoes away) are probably all related [FN 1].

    Girlfriend selections are not my specialty. I've had GFs who could max out a credit card faster than you can prepare a meal of insects. My problem was that these GFs were worth it. Over the time span, I've heard the line "Nur Bahnhof verstehen".

    A commercial airline scheduled flight approximates a building elevator: traps for the duration. Depleted batteries - I avoid rechargeables for evacs - are ditched and thus reducing weight / volume in loadout. The Ankor Power invites criminals combined with the weight that would be better allocated to a RX pharma like Paregoric USP for stomach ailments while in evac mode and the inherent stress of changing from the routine.

    No, legal aspects of girl friends in US are nominal. Our national politicians provide illustrations. The major aspect is - money - more than $6/day P3 combined with not being able to have any credit cards in wallet - nor cash.

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    [1] For as wisdom grows, vexation grows,
    To increase learning is to increase heartache.
    ECCLESIASTES 1:18

    [2] Inherent FN: Your situation and environment is not much different that other Forum Members here. It's an internal matter to address and rectify. You can do it when you decide to start.

    ......

    Transmitting from "Been There, Done That".
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    I don't know if the commercial is for real . My wife likes to watch the weather channel on the television and they keep playing this add supposedly directed from POTUS . They claim he is asking the public their opinion on opening the U.S. back up for business or sheltering in place to slow the virus spread . If this add is for real it shows where we are really at in the U.S. -- Everyone return to work with many getting sick and dying with the virus escalating or shelter in place and watch the economy to continue to collapse and the supply chain to continue to splinter and break apart creating food shortages . I certainly don't have the answer , if this question is for real . Either action taken , the results are bad for the average citizen . The ones handling this spiral downwards the best will be the prepper / survivalist whom prepared for the long haul .
     
  7. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    I can guess that the weather channel Madam Polt is watching will be used for 2 things: 1. to mold public opinion and 2. to obtain focus groups for study.

    Yes, all reopening of the economy is a trade-off.

    It is the average citizen that caused the problem; didn't participate in the military, didn't participate in the local vol fire dept, didn't participate in the police department's auxiliary, never attended a local political meeting - the place was "taken over" by the socialists - and not just locally: throughout the fruited plain.

    The non-average citizens, such as Preppers, are in relatively good shape. The average stupid citizen can go to the hospital and in the parking lot get more infections than arrived with.

    My headaches here are governmental. Our Governor, a medical doctor, doesn't want us senior citizens / vintage Virginians to go out - yet he and our Congressional delegation did not get Post Office hours changed - nor the county dump's hours during this declared emergency.

    Still don't know the current definition of "medical waste" and it's proper disposal. Back here we need a political leader who is also a medical doctor ...... sorry, bad example.

    I learned more about this stuff in the Boy Scouts in the 1950s.
     
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  8. poltiregist

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    Yesterday listening to my shortwave radio , I put it for a while on FM . Advertisement for a grocery store by the store owner - Pork and poultry prices have increased dramatically since the supply chain failure but that pales in comparison to the increase in beef prices . The price the store owner quoted would mean beef prices over the last three months or so has increased about six fold over that time frame . We will not be buying beef at that price but will be filling the freezers with wild game this fall .
     
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  9. lonewolf

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    complete opposite over here, other meats are doing okay but beef prices have collapsed due to the closure of restaurants and takeaways during the covid-19 lockdown, excess beef is being sold off through the supermarkets-cheap.
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    Might make one buy another chest freezer. Yet another reason to have a big generator.

    Or one could make-up a bunch of beef jerky.

    https://www.instructables.com/id/Beef-Jerky-on-the-BBQ/
    .
     
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      Got two of them, full of meat and veg.
       
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  11. poltiregist

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    Sixty percent of meat plant workers in a Tyson plant in Iowa have tested positive for the Corona Virus . Despite the governments efforts many meat processing workers refusing to return to work . Source " Organic Prepper ". The politicians are not likely to mention this in their pep rally speeches .
     
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  12. poltiregist

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    On April 18th I put out a warning to you guys , that saturated commercial farm fields may not be plantable this year "posted on this thread ". Today may 19th this information has been picked up by some news outlets . That is why staying informed through this prepper / survival site can be significant . Staying ahead of the sheeple and taking prudent actions to stay ahead of the unprepared is important . I seek my information on the future from unconventional sources . I want to know what is coming before it hits the main stream news outlets .
     
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      I listened and got stocked up. Please continue to share, from your sources. Being grown up people, we can each decide to listen or not. It certainly worked out well for my family. Thanks for sharing.
       
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  13. Overwatch

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    Well canada piplines are presently heading to north Dakota. the intention is to fill the old empty wells. If filled they will store Crude that lasted for 40 years. It will take 6 years running 24/7 to fill them. After that dont worry Canada has more oil than you can ever use. No relay its almost everywhere under Alberta and Saskatchewan. It was once an ocean floor
     
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  14. poltiregist

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    Chilean military deploying tanks and troops as starving protesters come out of homes confronting the government . --- In Brazil mobs of starving people marched on Governor's palace demanding food . Citizens hanging red cloths outside their homes to signify hunger . " source ZeroHedge " . Those on here that think that can not happen where they live might want to reassess .
     
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  15. poltiregist

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    Impoverished countries that depend on a food handout from generous countries , may not receive this year as to what they have become accustomed to . Global food supply is on life support and peoples income diminished or non-existent . Some global populations have become accustomed to free stuff and just lay around and make more hungry children , expecting another country to feed those children . --- Countries whom depend on imported food may see that source become non-existent . --- Those that depend mainly on gardening may have to sleep in those gardens to keep starving people from raiding their garden during the night . --- Alarming " to me " was another thread we had , was the number of members we have on here , whose plan during a crises " was to steal " their way to survivability . That thread seemed to have gotten some members angry so I will not try to resurrect it . One thing though " you can not steal what isn't there " .
     
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  16. lonewolf

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    people that steal in a post SHTF world will find they are dangling from a long rope strung from a tall tree.
     
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  17. Rebecca

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    While that is true of individuals or two or three thieves post SHTF there will be a need for vigilance against larger "mobs" not quite the right term maybe. Once starvation starts but before a large die off happens, big groups of people will get worked up into a frenzy, and instead of rioting may begin raiding every building they come across in search of food. A very good reason to stay far away from high population areas.
     
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