The Covid 19 Plan And World Herding........

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  1. lonewolf

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    in another realm maybe.
     
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  2. watcherchris

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    I do not deny that the Holocaust happened...I just do not go along with the emotional rationale by continually bombarding the world with the Holocaust...mostly the Holocaust.

    For I know, Artic Bill, that there has been genocide and also democide to much greater numbers than in the Holocaust and the Media and or public education totally ignores this information just as they ignore the information about Oliver Cromwell and the Puritans/English people executing their king.

    There have been more people killed in Russia than in the Holocaust and by their own government. So too in China....and this information is mostly ignored by our phony leadership and media in bed with our phony leadership...

    How many were killed by the Soviets in the Ukraine in the Holodomór between WW1 and WW2...a history almost totally avoided by our own government..event today....by starvation.
    Most Americans have never heard of the Holodomor...in the Ukraine.

    Holodomor - Wikipedia



    The Holocaust does not work on me to control or Herd me by guilt and or shame....

    In like manner...so too does not Critical Race Theory....work to control me by guilt and or shame....

    Problem is I know too much history to be so Herded...Sometimes you can see them coming..those who would Herd us.


    I don't give two hoots about Elvis and today in particular the Kardashians....

    Hollywood....New York , California, and or Washington DC do not have my best interests in mind...they have their own interests in mind and think they are best suited to run for us our lives and futures.

    I dont think the sports industry has my best interests in mind and are not suited to represent me.

    These people and or places act and conduct themselves like the rest of America is flyover country.

    If they are not careful....they are setting this nation up for it's own Holocaust....starting with dumbing us down which has been going on for years and years now.

    Be Warned the Ishmaelites dumbing us down and grabbing us by our emotions.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  3. Old Geezer

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    Pol Pot snuffed upwards of 2 million -- which was around 25% of the entire population of Cambodia.

    One-quarter of the population -- that has to set some sort of record. The Black Plague only got a little better kill-rate percentage-wise.

    Makes one wonder, will the next world plague (a real plague, not some covid-like thingy) set a new record or will the upcoming nuclear exchanges set the new high-bar for human extermination?

    As far as human activities go, governments have been the most efficient mass-murder machines.
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  4. Old Geezer

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    Many people who have myocardial inflammation experience no symptoms, especially the young. In young people, the heart has a whole lot of redundant functional capacity so the heart has to take a real hit for the patient to even know that anything is wrong. They may not even feel fatigued unless stressed in some cardio-demanding situation. Therefore if a few young people (especially in males for some reason; has to do with ACE-2 receptor count) get symptoms, you can figure that >10x that number have had problems, yet never knew it.

    Ironically, it is young people who are experiencing reactions to the covid vaccine (spiked protein related inflammatory reaction). Older people seem not to be having problems unless they are very compromised or have pre-existing inflammatory issues. Odd how having a compromised immune system makes an older person a target for the covid virus, but having a compromised immune helps protect older people from getting bad reactions to the vaccine. The vaccine should be distributed to older folks. It is somewhat irrational to insist on young people getting the vaccine. The bodies of young people fight-off this particular corona-type virus rather well. Other people who are at risk for covid complications are the morbidly obese, smokers, those with coronary or pulmonary disorders. The latter folk should be getting vaccines due to their co-morbidities.

    The hysteria about getting the masses vaccinated is odd. OR, there is some other risk of another covid-type viral release/plague that could be in the offing -- one about which the masses are not being told. That's scary to contemplate. We taxpayers in the US have been funding the Wuhon lab (and others like it) for years and have never been informed about that little tidbit.

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    "New Study Links 'Acute Chest Pain' In Male Soldiers To mRNA Vaccines"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...-inflammation-likely-tied-pfizer-moderna-jabs

    "More research has been published highlighting more problematic side effects linked to COVID-19 shots. Last week, we published our latest update on rare cases of heart inflammation that have been linked to the mRNA COVID jabs, including the jabs from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. After a hurried secret meeting with its advisory board on vaccine safety, the FDA reluctantly release a warning asking patients experiencing these symptoms to seek help immediately.

    "The latest study, published in JAMA's Cardiology Journal on Tuesday, showed that 23 male soldiers (including 22 who were deemed "previously health") between the ages of 20 and 51 presented "acute onset of marked chest pain" within four days of receiving their second dose. Patients who sought care for chest pain in the military health-care system following COVID-19 vaccination and were subsequently diagnosed with clinical myocarditis were included in the case study.

    "All the members who tested for myocarditis (for those who aren't familiar with it, myocarditis is a condition that causes the swelling of the heart muscle and can cause difficulty breathing, heart failure, and death) were all "physically fit by military standards and lacking any known history of cardiac disease, significant cardiac risk factors, or exposure to cardiotoxic agents."

    "All of the patients whose data was included in the study underwent electrocardiography and echocardiography tests. Abnormal electrocardiography findings were recorded in 19 patients (83%): findings included ST-segment elevations, T-wave inversions, and nonspecific ST changes. Echocardiography in 4 patients (17%) demonstrated reduced left ventricular ejection fractions (40% to 50%)."

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    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...accines-blood-clots-inflammation-brain-heart/

    "The Defender is experiencing censorship on many social channels. Be sure to stay in touch with the news that matters by subscribing to our top news of the day. It's free.

    "On Dec. 8, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) received a public submission from J. Patrick Whelan, M.D., Ph.D. The submission was in response to the agency’s request for comments regarding vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 in advance of the Dec. 10 meeting when the committee would review the Pfizer/BioNTech (BNT162b2) SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for emergency use authorization (EUA).

    "Whelan’s training (at Harvard, Texas Children’s Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine) includes degrees in biochemistry, medicine and rheumatology. For 20 years, he worked as a pediatric rheumatologist. He currently specializes in treating children with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), which has been associated with coronavirus infections.

    "In his public submission, Whelan sought to alert the FDA about the potential for vaccines designed to create immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to instead cause injuries."
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  5. poltiregist

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    I simply do not trust the government . Just turn on the television and go to any channel . There you may find commercials mostly targeting children to encourage them to become homosexuals , hate white people , exalt dark skinned people , turn from oil usage , be vegetarians , those clinging to individual freedom deemed terrorist and those that burned down white businesses last summer exalted as hero's .---- With the government obviously weaponizing televisions and public schools , I think it only rational to believe their manipulation of the masses has sinister motives . Seeing how vehement the government is to getting everyone to take the shot , suspect there is an undisclosed purpose behind having people's D.N.A. altered , and as usual it isn't for the good of the people but good for those that seem to have conquered world power . That makes me an outlaw , an unvaccinated , gun toting , religious , freedom loving , white skinned , prepper . --- yea bad to the bone :)
     
  6. lonewolf

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    I do not trust ANY government or any large organisation.
     
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    Ha ha! They live next door to Lord Lucan,who keeps Shergar in a stable at the back!
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    now who's getting into the realms of fantasy!!!:D:D
     
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    Chris, the reason i have trouble with holocaust deniers is that after looking at the fact they still insist that it did not happen. I agree 100% with you Stalin killed 25 million of his people, Hitler killed not just Jews but gypsy, communists , labor people poets, in total 25 million died in concentration camps. I agree with you to be vary of all supposed facts until you can check them out. Not to blindly accept everything . however if it is true then it is true. You see when deniers refuse to accept facts that can be verified like the holocaust what else to the refuse to accept that are facts. this i know to be true my bother walk around a concentration camp and on of my friends mothers had a number on her arm .
    Buy the way there is a very good movie that you would like about Holodomór called
    mr jones https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6828390/
     
  10. watcherchris

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    Hey Artic Bill...

    Thanks for that link to Mr. Jones.

    I've not heard of that movie and have bookmarked it for watching when time and schedule allows.

    Thanks again

    Watcherchris
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  11. Old Geezer

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    I deeply hate holocaust deniers because they influence weak-minded people who can't get it through their thick skulls that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

    We humans, both as groups and as individuals, must take a tremendously serious look at our own selves and how it is that we are put together. The very composition of the human species is flawed to the core. Just how far is it that we are removed from wolf packs? I'll answer that. Not far! We humans have NOT evolved the sufficient intelligence and emotional control to have faith in our own selves. We must always be on guard. I must daily bring my own self to a reckoning as to how I have conducted myself. Among the true purposes of prayer include the need to show care for others and to daily stand humble. I was created / I didn't create myself. I am anything but a god. I am made up of stuff and some of it is sh##.

    Because of the flawed nature of our species, there must always be checks and balances between humans. No one group of people must be allowed to rule over others, else the consequences are not only bad, the consequences can go very sick.

    We humans may not be able to show sufficient care for each other, however we can respect the situation in which should we transgress against our fellow humans, they have the power to fight back and do us grave harm. To tell you the truth, I hate that this is the best humans can do. It is repugnant that this thing be true of humans. However, I have grown old and wise even as did the innumerable generations who came before me. What I shunned to believe about humans when I was young -- in youth, theories mean something -- I now know to be the unfortunate and immutable truth.

    So, not only did I learn to shoot when young, I trained others in the same skill. Does it bother me that I have created people who could defend themselves against me? Oh no!, not at all. I know myself too well. I know others too well. I know my species too well.
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  12. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer....

    Went back up this thread and re read your post above wherein you made this very true and appropriate statement.


    When in history a government overtakes another nation and kills off its population it is called "Genocide."


    However....


    When a people are killed by their own government.....it is called "Democide."

    And you hit the nail on the head...Olde Geezer ...in describing people and so many people historically being killed by the actions of their own government.

    And the very very disgusting thing to me is that most education systems totally avoid this history......and for good reasons....public education is mostly paid for by our own government.


    here...Democide..

    Democide - Wikipedia

    Notice this particular tidbit in this article on Democide.

    and I believe this part....is going to change rapidly and soon if the Deep State has it's way upon these United States..

    Ask yourself a simple question...is the government under Biden increasing it's power or is it giving/ceding more power back to the people. Why did Government ...both Republican and Democrat parties both hate Trump????

    I believe he was breaking up the rigged power structure...a huge danger to deep state controlled government by proxy leaders.

    Be Warned the Ishmaelites at work.




    You will very very seldom hear Democide discussed by education, leadership , or our phony media in bed with our own government.

    You are never supposed to be able to connect these dots to how they work to "Herd" people in ignorance....ie...dumbing us down.


    These are the actions of Ishmaelites at work...dumbing us down.


    This in particular is one reason history is such and ill taught subject/topic...to most of us. We might begin to think outside the box and for our own purposes and benefit.

    Be warned the Ishmaelites.


    My non Ishmaelie .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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      "Democide" -- all high-school students should be forced to memorize the word and be tested on their understanding if its profound implications in their lives and the lives of others on this planet.
      Donald Trump -- When he first ran, I ONLY voted for him as a vote against the collectivist social Democrats. I had the lowest hopes for his actions. He had had to deal with organized crime, so I figured he did have a bit of hope dealing with the deep state which is distilled Mafia. Trump exceeded my expectations by pissing on their parade and causing them to come out of the closet as out-and-out collectivists. The more harm he caused, the more I came to accept him. I still do not like his interminable ego, however his ability to invoke the anti-Constitutionalists into their rage tantrums causes me no end of delight. He may be a bully, however he is a person who hurts bullies and I more than like that.
       
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  13. TMT Tactical

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    As an individual, I disliked Trump. As my president, I loved him and his policies.
     
  14. lonewolf

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    as a person Trump is not that likeable but during his term as President I do like what he did and how he acted, Nancy Pelosi ripping up his speech behind his back was just childish.
     
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  15. Max rigger

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    Very good post Bill and worded more politely than if I'd replied. I've visited two of the camps, took my lad when he reached sixteen because I thought it vital he knew what happened; its compulsory for German schoolchildren to visit at least one camp so the Germans don't deny the Holocaust happened.
     
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    I dont agree with this on the part of the German Government...

    I just do not agree with this kind of "Herding"

    It has changed little and will change little.....as the history of the world since those times indicates.

    People are free to accept or deny what they choose amongst a free people.

    Question is are they free if someone is so herding them.

    I expect similar to happen here in America as the politicians work hard to Herd us without most knowing it is being done.

    And this is going to wax worse and worse..as our leadership goes to absolute power....divine right of kings..


    Most Americans know more about sports and the Kardasihans than history.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
  17. Max rigger

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    No Chris, your not free to deny the holocaust mate, you can't deny facts. Denying truth is not promoting freedom its promoting the very herding your proclaim to dislike so much.
     
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      You missed the point. Chris did not deny the holocaust. He points out mandatory camp visit is government herding, even if for a good reason. Herding is herding.
       
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    Max...TMT Tactical....is correct..I did not deny the holocaust. I am saying that worse things than the Holocaust have happened in modern times and even since WW2....much much worse Holocausts....and they hardly get mention.

    The number of Chinese people killed by their own government...is mostly kept out of the news, public education...and by leadership. Also I believe Olde Geezer mentioned the killing of Cambodians by their own government....for the size of that nation it is staggering.

    And not only that....I also know that the Nazis ...not only killed Jews..but also anyone who dissented....many non jews...Gypsys...and others went into the camps.
    But only one group is ever mentioned. I just dont buy into the guilt trip.

    And yet I also know that some of them were trying to get here to America and were denied entrance...before we got involved in the war...interesting to me...

    Nonetheless...I am not interested in being herded by holocaust guilt and shame politics...in like manner to how I am not interested in being herded today by Critical Race Theory by official authorized government sponsored promoted racism...for votes.

    Here in America we do not have a systemic racism problem...we have a systemic government ignorance problem....trying to herd us out of our liberties and freedoms....even out of our individual ability to think for ourselves and act on it.


    Oh....and here shortly ..we are going to openly find out how verily anti Semitic our government and leadership really are...they cannot help themselves. For these racists cannot change their spots.

    Ishmaelites run wild...

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  19. Max rigger

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    Put your shovel down Chris, you dug your hole deep enough mate ;)
     
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      Max, you will do better to remove your generational blinders and actually read Chris's post from a factual based point of view. The holocaust does garner much more of the media spot light but it was not the biggest gynecide / democide of our century. Stalin, Moa and many other evil country leaders have killed off more people. Chris did not discount the holocaust but does dispense additional information regarding even larger atrocities. We should not forget any of these events BUT none of these events should be used to force (heard) people to acknowledge a historical / political / social or any other fact. Tell the people, inform the people and show the people but do not heard the people to a point of view. The people need to be able to judge for themselves and form their own opinions of the presented facts, not to be forced to accept a government point of view or presented fact.
       
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  20. Old Geezer

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    Herding in your face. I'm glad my dad and his brother were responsible for the deaths of a stack of NAZIs. The only way to deal with bullies is to wipe them out. This is why kids need to know their history. This is why kids need to know how to shoot a rifle and how to handle it in a safe manner. Took my kids to formal hunter safety classes (even though I could have taught the classes myself). We need to know our species ... the good ... and the bad.

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  21. watcherchris

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    TMT Tactical,

    That is precisely what I am getting at...and well stated.

    I do know that worse Holocausts have happened before and since WW2 and this information is hardly covered by public education and or the MSM....and even our leadership.

    To me the Hebrews have no monopoly on the blame game or guilt and shame.

    I also believe this is coming around again.

    The other problem I have with such things...democide and or genocide ...is that this has happened in times of Enlightenment, Educated, Illuminated, Gnostic wise men in charge. I don't buy into that Enlightened, Illuminated stuff as well.

    There is so obviously a combination happening here for which we are not supposed to understand or realize is happening.


    I am also very very concerned for the time and day when the nation Israel will be forced to carry out their Sampson Option...of which again the Average American knows little to nothing ...and when it happens it is going to be bad...beyond belief...

    As I keep alluding...the Average American knows little history but all about Sports and or the Kardashians..and other such nonsense fed to us to prevent thinking.

    Distractions to keep us occupied with chaff...confetti and to prevent thinking.

    Thanks for your post,

    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  22. watcherchris

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    I am also suspecting that there is a Genocide/Democide going on quietly ...mostly un noticed in Africa....with control of the resources in mind...Destabilization.

    Wondering to myself when someone is going to make a move to take possession and or control of Greenland and again with resources in mind..

    Ishmaelites run wild...


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  23. Old Geezer

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    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/white-house-facebook-vaccine-misinformation

    "White House press secretary Jen Psaki defended the Biden administration working with Facebook to limit misinformation on the coronavirus vaccine.

    "'So we're regularly making sure social media platforms are aware of the latest narratives, dangerous to public health that we and many other Americans are seeing across all of social and traditional media. And we work to engage with them to better understand the enforcement of social media platform policies,' Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Friday during a press conference.

    "'As you all know information travels quite quickly. If it's up there for days and days and days, when people see it, you know, there's, it's hard to put that back in a box, and of course promoting quality information algorithms, I don't know how they work, but they all do know how they work,' Psaki continued.

    "Paski also remarked that if a user is banned from one platform 'for providing misinformation' that user should be banned from all others."
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    https://www.cnsnews.com/article/was...-serious-concerns-about-mandating-vaccine-has

    "Since April 21, 2021, over a thousand cases of myocarditis and pericarditis, heart inflammatory diseases, have been reported in young people after getting the COVID-19 vaccine, as is reported on the CDC’s website. However, the CDC is still encouraging children 12 and up to get the vaccine, claiming the benefits outweigh the risks."
     
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  24. poltiregist

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    From a reliable personal source , people who were vaccinated for the Corona Virus are still getting the Chinese virus . We can hope it is at least less severe . This explains why some governments are now commanding citizens to wear masks regardless of whether they have been vaccinated or not and demanding those that were supposed to develop immunity after surviving the Chinese biological attack to also wear masks . It appears the proclaimed know all's don't know zilch . If they are that clueless , how do they know what this vaccine will be causing in a decade or two ? Personally I am much more leery of the cure than I am the biological attack .
     
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  25. watcherchris

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    Max....

    I do not normaly bother doing this ..but for you and in particular the other members of this forum...


    I am familiar with an olde religious dogma called...The Talmud....

    Most of the Profane out here have never heard of the Talmud or what it is or contains. But I do.

    I am also well aware that there are more people and groups out here who use the Talmud than just the Hebrews.


    I have read "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike and am very well aware of certain of it's contents...

    I have read certain aspects of "The Rig Veda" again by Albert Pike....As well as books by Manley Palmer Hall. Also I have read books and writings by Albert Gallatin Mackey.


    I am well aware ...more than most... how Talmudic governments can be... and in particular this current government...a standard for the insiders and another standard for the outsiders..or Profane. I have even seen this secret Talmudic system operating in the courts...between lawyers and judges....once you know for what to look.

    A dual standard and some out here are speaking out about this phenomenon going on out here...but not by the name for which I am familiar ...Talmud...from Occult studies.


    I know more about the Hebrews and other Talmudic users than are the Profane suppose to know.....ever..The Greater Mysteries ...the Lesser Mysteries...Kaballah...

    I laughed when Madonna stated she was studying the Kaballah..


    This is one of the steps ...knowledges.. which led me to recognize Ishmaelites.

    I can take this further ..even to DJ Trump.....but this is sufficient for now.

    And this would awaken many out here..


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  26. poltiregist

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    The riddle as to why the Chinese Virus was released and why the follow up insistence from governments that everyone needs to be vaccinated may now be exposed . Yes the shot is the reason for the virus release . A doctor put blood samples under a microscope of the vaccinated and compared them to the unvaccinated . The vaccinated had red blood cells clustering in clumps and not at all healthy looking . Something bad wrong here . The vaccinated are found to be in a mental fog . That may explain some of the vaccinated on this forum saying ridiculous things . As Watcher Chris likes to say we can expect the vaccinated to be easier herded , " manipulated " in their altered mental state . Driving the herd to their new One World Government existence with the aid of altered brains may be the answer . --- No doubt this sounds ridiculous to some . To find out more about this go on " bit Chute " scroll to the heading " horrific findings in the blood of the vaccinated " . Those already vaccinated may not be able to handle this article , so be warned .
     
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  27. watcherchris

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    Hmmmmm....so we bring in plenty of unvaccinated from south of the border....turn them loose across the country with full benefits paid for by the American Taxpayer. And someone here is going to make the vaccination mandatory...you can see them working in that direction now...if you look and listen carefully.

    Bringing in new predictable, controllable, malleable unvaccinated voters??



    Crazy theory......any of you heard that down the road the vaccination will be 5G activated???? Just curious???



    Nonetheless...I find it very ironic that a responsible government would bring in thousands and thousands of unvaccinated while lamenting that more US Citizens are not taking the vaccine....I smell an Ishmaelite in there somewhere. You???


    Are any of you members noting a thinning out of the shelves in the grocery stores....not being refilled/restocked as rapidly as in the past??? Curious about this too!!??


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    https://stopwrongfulconvictions.wordpress.com/tag/covid-vaccines-damage-blood-cells/

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    https://summit.news/2021/07/23/cnn-segregate-unvaccinated-make-them-pay-for-tests-every-day/

    "CNN continued its wall to wall broadcasts calling for unvaccinated people to be punished, with analysts again calling for those who haven’t gotten the COVID shots to be segregated from society and forced to pay for tests every single day.

    "First up was CNN’s resident medical health “expert” Dr. Leana Wen who called for vaccine passports and forever masking."
     
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    I certainly will not stand by nor can I denounce projections being broadcast that the world will see massive die off this coming winter . Reason behind the projection those that took the covid vaccine destroyed the majority of their immune system . Flu , newmonia and the like will take a heavy toll on those that destroyed their immune system . No I am not going to post a link . A guy in Canada is projecting a 80% die off of the vaccinated this winter but personally I think that guess is way too high .
     
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    The vaccines do NOT compromise one's immune system. Were that true, people getting blood tests would have indicators of immune system compromise.

    That is bad about the Johnson & Johnson is that it is only 70% effective (aborted fetal tissue was used in its development). The mRNA vaccines cause the body to produce spike proteins. If your immune system can fight the spike proteins being perpetually created, then you will likely not suffer any consequences. Some young people however have been having bouts of endocarditis -- not good. Some folk getting the mRNA vaccines are developing what has been termed "brain fog". The pharm. companies are stating that the brain fog will go away and also stating that most all young people getting heart inflammation will eventually get over it.

    For me, I'm waiting on the Novavax. That vaccine uses standard vaccine development models, plus it was developed using tissue from moths not aborted people.

    I wonder why the massive push to get the vaccine among young people. Young people fight-off covid rather well. As a matter of fact, some young people do not know that they've even had the virus. I know a young man under age thirty who, last year, felt bad after going on a business trip to the west coast. Months later, he tested positive for covid. His "not feeling well" was covid-19. You do not shut down a country because of such matters.

    This urgency on the part of the U.S. government makes one wonder if other covid "bad guys" are out there and not yet seen or not yet released. It has come out now that U.S. tax dollars went to help fund research at the Wuhan lab and other communist Chinese facilities. That tidbit of information should make all Americans downright furious.
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    What irritates me in the phony category is the number of illegals being moved about this country without testing...or any such controls and they want to herd us with massive C19 controls....

    Again...you have to be educated to become that naturally and giftedly stuipd and think no one notices....that we are all so dumbed down.


    It does not even make good nonsense...unless you are heavily invested in Chaos...or the Kardashians..or ESPN!!!



    Ordo Ob Chao....

    Order from Chaos...


    Manufacture the chaos such that you can create the order you want or desire..or need..

    Any of you catching on yet...are these people in the current menstruation uniters or dividers...are they chaotic or non chaotic....???

    This is a devout religious dogma...in case most of you have never heard of it....an Occult concealed devout religious dogma.


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    "Biden DOJ Drops Charges Against China Military Members Accused of Lying to Get Jobs at U.S. Universities"

    https://www.breitbart.com/immigrati...mbers-accused-lying-get-jobs-us-universities/

    "The Department of Justice (DOJ) has dropped charges against five members of the Chinese military whom federal prosecutors previously accused of lying to obtain visas to get jobs and a doctoral spot at United States universities.

    "Late last week, prosecutors wrote in a court brief that they would be dropping their criminal cases against China military members Juan Tang, Chen Song, Kaikai Zhao, and Guan Lei — all of whom had been accused of fraudulently obtaining visas to secure roles at U.S. universities in California and Indiana.

    "The five Chinese nationals were arrested in July and August of last year as part of a federal crackdown on China military members fraudulently obtaining visas to the U.S. by hiding their ties to the Chinese military, known formally as the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

    "As Breitbart News has reported, there are nearly 500,000 Chinese students in the U.S. in any given year — more than any other nation — taking seats in university classrooms and looking to eventually obtain Optional Practical Training (OPT) authorization to take entry-level jobs in white-collar professions."
     
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    Bill burr explains why the COVID-19 vaccine conspiracy theory doesn’t make sense.

     
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      I like how Bill Burr isn't afraid to tear into Leftists.
       
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    The Left is in love with the mRNA vaccine for whatever reason. Trump got the thing rushed through. It's a make-do in my book. It has still not been approved officially, thus the "emergency use" labeling.

    Me, I just don't want my body's cells manufacturing covid-type spike proteins. I'm waiting on the Novavax which is a standard type of vaccine. Johnson & Johnson vaccine isn't mRNA, but is only approx 75% effective.
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    I feel very safe , I have had two doses of Pfizer. 21 million Canadians or 80% have been fully vaccinated and a minor amount have suffered complications 0.0023 % of just over 1,000 people. In Quebec now pop (8.4 mil ) we have about 100 new cases a day . if you compare that to new jersey roughly about the same population they have ten times that amount. (1000) a day. My point is that vaccination do work . It is reveling that the USA leads the world in covid deaths . 628,434 . This could have been avoided if the administration had acted with responsibility. I understand hesitancy to get the vaccine , my son is waiting , but at some time one must see that there is nothing wrong with getting the shot and to not get it is actually more dangerous than getting it.
     
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    My question is "Why do those already vaccinated care what the anti-vaccinated do? If the vaccine works, then the vaccinated are already protected. If the vaccine does not work, then there is no reason to get it. If you believe that the vaccine works and you get it, great. If you don't trust the vaccine and you don't want to get it, great, your choice. I don't see why any vaccinated people have any right or leg to stand on for castigating others for not wanting to follow in their footsteps. Get it or don't get it but let each person make their choice without casting dispersions on them. If the vaccine proves to be a good choice, then only the anti-vaccinators will pay the price. If the vaccine proves to have unknown issue, then only the vaccinated will pay the price.
     
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    Many of the vaccinated are getting newer versions of the Chinacovid virus. Having had the original viral infection itself provides FAR more protection than any vaccine.

    Truth be told, it's bad all around.

    All of those involved in the genetic enhancement of this covid virus should be imprisoned for life.
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    Interesting footnote or update...here locally.

    We were told yesterday at work in our pre job briefing that as of 2 August everyone at work would be required to go back to wearing masks...both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

    I laughed quietly to myself as I had never stopped wearing it ...though I believe it is of very limited use.

    Everyone wearing the mask....the vaccine does not work....

    At the same time I am aware that the government is turning loose thousands of Illegals across this country without testing for C19...or other issues as well.


    Also I have suspected from over a year ago that nations would go into a type of forced quarantine ....their rights, freedoms et al...curtailed because of the emergency.....and this was the goal all along...to Herd People and economies...nations.

    To allow governments under the guise of an Emergency to return incrementally back to ...."Absolute Power....Divine Right of Kings."

    Someone out there not to be seen or known ..and operating behind proxy government leaders...is wanting to go back to the power of the Pharaohs ..the Caesars, the Emperors....et al...unlimited power..absolute power.

    And an Emergency declaration is how it is done in modern times.

    A free government means an unfree people. An unlimited government and an unfree people.


    Be Warned the Ishmaelites run wild....


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    "Delta COVID-19 Variant Shed by Vaccinated People, Spreads Like Chickenpox, CDC Document Suggests"

    https://sputniknews.com/us/20210730...preads-like-chickenpox-cdc-document-suggests/

    "The United States is now experiencing a spike in COVID-19 cases, with the Delta strain accounting for over 80% of new infections as of July 20th. Some 70% of US adults, or 178 million, have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 60%, or 155 million, are fully vaccinated, according to the CDC."
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    "This Nobel winner of virology, Luc Montagnier, probably the most published virologists in the world and who discovered HIV, was ridiculed, censored and defamed for trying to warn that breakthrough cases would open up the gates of hell but was ignored!"

    https://sputniknews.com/us/20210730...preads-like-chickenpox-cdc-document-suggests/

    "The United States is now experiencing a spike in COVID-19 cases, with the Delta strain accounting for over 80% of new infections as of July 20th. Some 70% of US adults, or 178 million, have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 60%, or 155 million, are fully vaccinated, according to the CDC."

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/n...eptable-mistake-that-is-creating-the-variants

    "Nobel Prize winner: Mass COVID vaccination an ‘unacceptable mistake’"


    "In every country, ‘the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths,’ the famous virologist said."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ee-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23/
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    "How Science Becomes Religion"

    https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/sheldonr/

    "The popular slogan today is “Believe in science.” It’s often used as a weapon against people who reject not science in principle but rather one or another prominent scientific proposition, whether it be about the COVID-19 vaccine, climate change, nutrition (low-fat versus low-carb eating), to mention a few. My purpose here is not to defend or deny any particular scientific position but to question the model of science that the loudest self-declared believers in science seem to work from. Their model makes science seem almost identical to what they mean by, and attack as, religion. If that’s the case, we ought not to listen to them when they lecture the rest of us about heeding science.

    "Here’s the relevant distinction: while we ought to favor science, we ought to reject scientism, the mistaken belief that the only questions worth asking are those amenable to the methods of the natural sciences and therefore all questions must either be recast appropriately or dismissed as gibberish. F. A. Hayek, in The Counter-Revolution of Science, defined scientism as the 'slavish imitation of the method and language of Science.'

    "I like how the philosopher Gilbert Ryle put it in The Concept of Mind: 'Physicists may one day have found the answers to all physical questions, but not all questions are physical questions. The laws they have found and will find may, in one sense of the metaphorical verb, govern everything that happens, but they do not ordain everything that happens. Indeed they do not ordain anything that happens. Laws of nature are not fiats.'

    “'How should we live?' is not one of those questions which natural scientists are specially qualified to answer, but it is certainly worth asking. Likewise, 'What risks should you or I take or avoid?' There is a world of difference between a medical expert’s saying, 'Vaccine X is generally safe and effective' and 'Vaccination should be mandatory.' (One of the great critics of scientism was Thomas Szasz, M.D., who devoted his life to battling the medical profession’s, and especially psychiatry’s, crusade to recast moral issues as medical issues and thereby control people in the name of disinterested science.)

    "Most people are unqualified to judge most scientific conclusions, but they are qualified to live their lives reasonably. I’m highly confident the earth is a sphere and that a water molecule is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. But I do not know how to confirm those propositions. So we all need to rely on scientific and medical authorities–not in the sense of power but in the sense of expertise and reputation. (Even authorities in one area rely on authorities in others.)

    "But we must also remember that those authorities’ empirical claims are defeasible; that is, they are in principle open to rebuttal and perhaps refutation, that is, the scientific process. Aside from the indispensable and self-validating axioms of logic, all claims are open in this sense. That process is what gets us to the truth. As John Stuart Mill pointed out in On Liberty, even a dissenter who holds a demonstrably wrong view on a question might know something important on that very question that has been overlooked. To our peril do we shut people up or shout them down as heretics. That’s dogma, not science."
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    The only fact of science is that it is in a constant state of flux. The facts of today can and may be reputed tomorrow. The world is flat, based on accepted fact believed during a specific period in history. Lobotomy was an approve medical practice, based on scientific fact. Electro shock treatment was an approved and accepted medical treatment. Past science has been wrong about as many times as correct.
     
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    Hmmmmm...I did not catch the tenor of the last two posts here until just now...

    This fits in with what I am considering in my just posted..thread.

    "Institutional Insanity...Idealism versus Realism"


    Hmmmmmm are we each and in our own way working on the same concept...????

    Very interesting


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    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    The mRNA vaccines are still labeled "experimental" because they are just that. I don't want my body becoming a spike-protein manufacturing unit. I'm waiting on the Novax vaccine; not mRNA type and was developed using tissue from moths. Johnson & Johnson vaccine is proving to be only 70% effective.

    "Experimental mRNA Technology Called Vaccine - Dr. Mercola"

    https://odysee.com/@Hemeroteca:f/Dr.-Mercola-on-the-experimental-mRNA-technology:5

    Comedian Jimmy Dore got side effects from the vaccine (especially stiff neck issues) and these side effects simply wouldn't go away. First dose, symptoms went away after a week. After second jab, he got same symptoms but they wouldn't go away.

    https://citizenfreepress.com/breaki...ve-a-spike-protein-problem-after-the-vaccine/

    https://www.abc4.com/news/local-new...with-blood-clots-after-covid-19-vaccine-shot/

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/2779665/engineer-dies-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/

    https://thephaser.com/2021/08/22-year-old-man-dies-nine-hours-after-c0vid-19-vaccine/
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    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/delta-variant-throws-world-back-orwellian-autocracy

    Australia Descends into Authoritarian Orwellian Hell
    The Australian state of New South Wales, which includes Sydney, is in the midst of a nine week lockdown; and this lockdown is being enforced with the military and helicopters.

    One video shows a helicopter blasting a message over a loudspeaker to a handful of young men playing soccer. It says what they are doing is illegal, and that if they don’t ’t disperse the police would fine them.

    Army personnel will also be going door-to-door in Sydney to make sure everyone is staying home.

    Thousands of people turned out last weekend for a protest against the insane lockdowns— which prompted an Australian politician from New South Wales to propose Draconian fines for free speech.

    Councilman Walt Secord says protest organizers should face $20,000 fines for sharing information about protests online. He proposed $11,000 fines for anyone else who shares information about protests, and $5,500 for anyone who attends.

    Secord even said, “If you know family members who are organizing these protests, call the police, dob them in.”

    No right to free speech, no right to protest, no right to even leave your home. Report your family members to the government if they demand basic human rights.

    There is no limit to how brutal and repressive the government will become in the name of Covid.

    Click here and here to read the full stories.

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    Doctors could lose medical licenses if they spread vaccine “misinformation”
    The Federation of State Medical Boards told doctors they could lose their medical licenses if they spread Covid-19 vaccine misinformation on social media.

    ... People who spent their entire careers studying the human body are now being threatened with cancellation if they spread fact-based information that the establishment wants to keep suppressed.


     
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