The Day After (1983)

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  1. CivilDefense

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    One of the "must sees" in the nuclear apocalypse genre is the 1983 film The Day After. It stars John Lithgow, Jason Robards, Steve Guttenberg, Dennis Lipscomb, and many others. Reagan penned in his diary, after seeing the picture, "very effective and left me greatly depressed".

    Anyway, here is the picture in full:

     
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    Another one, in the same vein in close to the same time (1984), is the British film Threads. I thought I'd pass it along too.

     
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  3. lonewolf

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    never mind fiction, get the facts: "War Plan UK"...the secret truth about Britain's civil defence. by Duncan Campbell. ISBN 0-586-08479-7
     
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    There is a follow up video which was a panel discussion featuring leading minds in military, science, philosophy, politics, etc. I found the discussion interesting, so I thought I'd pass it along. Cheers.

     
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  5. poltiregist

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    As of this morning consider the possibility of a nuclear war between Russia and another country within the next year at about 20 % . Even if a prepper considers this an unlikely but possible event their D.N.A. will likely have them making preparations . --- Then there is the crowd that considers their survival of such a conflict un-survivable and try to convince themselves it will never happen and continue on with their present day to day lives . --- I fall under the crowd of prepping and with hope of surviving even a nuclear war . Admittedly I may be too confident in my groups ability to survive a nuclear conflict . I took seriously the example they gave us in Green Beret training - A guy was buried with just his neck and head sticking out of the sand , and was snapping at his tormentors balls with his teeth . Not until I take my last breath will I give up .--- An interesting read on my computer this morning . In an nuclear exchange the strikes and entire thing will be turned over to a computer to determine strikes , type nukes and counter strikes like a chess game but run by computers . A heartless unfeeling war run by machines would be unleashed .
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    not like I think nuclear war is a possibility, there are no winners in a nuclear war we all lose.
    but with modern targeting systems strikes can be very precise, it wouldnt take many missiles to "bracket" a small island like Britain but there are several areas which are of no strategic value, the Highlands of Scotland, parts of Wales, and the more rural areas of the South West, apart from a few sheep(the 4 legged kind) there is nothing of value or military use in these areas.
    the problem with nuclear strikes is not so much the target area, unless one is in the immediate blast area, its more about fallout and where it goes, and how long it stays about, which I think has more to do with the Jet Stream than local weather conditions, there was a lot of land in Wales that was affected (Welsh lamb became unsellable) when Chernobyl exploded .
     
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  7. poltiregist

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    Like Lonewolf my retreat is located well away from anything a advisory would use a nuke on . My immediate concern would also be where would the radioactive cloud would settle back to the ground . Hopefully my area would receive only a low contamination level , but that is unpredictable . --- Surviving the blasts and radioactive particles would be my only concern . I don't need for the planet to have a significant population left for my group to survive . We would actually enjoy a reduction of the human population in the Democrat held areas in the United States . The Democrat strongholds in the U.S. is also the prime targets on the Nuke Target Map .--- The baby killers may get their just due .
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    Want to talk about global warming, a nuclear winter will certainly solve that problem. Along with exterminating's most living critters.
     
  12. lonewolf

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    given what happened after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I dont think a Nuclear Winter is a given.
    a reduction in the population however would be welcomed , at least by me.
    "Fallout radiation decays relatively quickly within time. most areas become safe to travel after 3-5 weeks" .unquote.
     
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    If this goes full blown - from that moment traveling to a more survivable location will likely not be possible . For many staying in a target area to make the big bucks over living a rural prepper lifestyle will have consequences .
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    exactly, living away from the target area but maybe commuting to work may be the compromise many will take, but it still may still have consequences if one gets caught in the attack, like many in 9/11. only worse.
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    OK, so everybody (on Earth) knows that biden has gone brain dead -- he's a puppet like Barry was. This Putin, however evil he may be, still, the guy is smart and is a competent international military chess player ... at least we thought so. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that Putin's brain may be going to pudding. Scary. One thing that has royally raised my eyebrow is what Condoleezza Rice is saying about Putin. The second article I've linked in this post contains her observations on this Putin fellow of late. C. Rice has met this fellow face to face a few times. Condoleezza is brilliant, however her brain is also tuned into the Common Sense Realm. "Smart" can be dangerous if it isn't coupled with the Wisdom thingy. Condoleezza has both, so when she starts talking about Putin getting funny in the head, this old man is listening and listening intently.


    "Russia's Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert"


    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-puts-nuclear-forces-high-alert-2022-02-27/

    "MOSCOW, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his military command to put Russia's deterrence forces - a reference to units which include nuclear arms - on high alert, citing aggressive statements by NATO leaders and economic sanctions against Moscow.

    "'As you can see, not only do Western countries take unfriendly measures against our country in the economic dimension - I mean the illegal sanctions that everyone knows about very well - but also the top officials of leading NATO countries allow themselves to make aggressive statements with regards to our country,' Putin said on state television."

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    Do not confuse Condoleezza Rice with Susan Rice.

    Condoleezza Rice is the brilliant one. Leftist Wiki even has to admit, "In 1981, at age 26, she received her Ph.D. in political science from the Josef Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver." & She studied Russian at Moscow State University. This woman knows the Putin personality-type all so very well -- she's met Putin several times.

    Susan Rice is a socialist and serves the internationalists, along with Amerikans who would burn the U.S. Constitution. Currently, Susan is one of the people running the biden "administration's" foreign affairs. This lack of leadership is a big reason that Putin went ahead in attacking Ukraine. Add the I.Q.s of this dementia-aflicted biden and Harris and you'll still end up with less than 100 IQ points.

    "‘Seems Erratic’: Condoleezza Rice Explains What’s Going on with the ‘Always Calculating and Cold’ Vladimir Putin"

    https://www.chicksonright.com/blog/...-to-put-nuclear-armed-forces-on-high-alert-2/

    "Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice weighed in on the situation by claiming Putin appears 'erratic' and is 'descending' into something she’s never personally seen before.

    “'He was always calculating and cold. But this is different. He seems erratic,' Rice said.

    “'There is an ever-deepening, delusional rendering of history, it was always a kind of victimology about what had happened to them, but now it goes back to blaming Lenin for the foundation of Kyiv … in Ukraine,' Rice responded.

    "Rice has met with Putin at least a half a dozen times across her career.

    "Putin raised the alert status for his nuclear forces to 'special regime of combat duty' as Russia and Ukraine battle for the fourth day."

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    Old Geezer's take: Condoleezza using the word "erratic" to describe Putin is, to me, scary monsters. Putin controls nukes ... and if he is going nuts, then ... gee whiz, that's just not a good thing.

    Here's something else, the Russian forces are slowing down due to Ukrainian military opposition. Russia, you'd expect, would have rolled over the Ukraine like an 18-wheeler flattening a white-tail deer. Nope, seems the Russian forces weren't fully prepared. Putin went with what he had ... hmmmmm .... . Sure, Amerika is now in the crapper, no Commander in Chief and all, but still, why would Putin hit with a hammer that had a broken handle?!

    Napoleon Bonaparte was a great military leader. He was very sly / cleaver / mentally-creative on the battlefield. He sometimes used "strange" tactics, yet this got the enemy slaughtered. Look what he did at Austerlitz. But Bonaparte grew old and he lost his game. Some would say that he lost his mind. At the end, he used old school / so-so military tactics and got his own forces slaughtered. Are we seeing this with Putin? If so, this is a scary international situation.
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    1. TMT Tactical
      I think the Russian military lied to Putin about how strong and capable they were. He is furious at them for not living up to their claims. He now looks like an idiot for attacking a weaker (???) country and getting his troops killed and millions if not billions be lost.
       
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  16. Old Geezer

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    By the by, it would appear that Belarus is going to aid Putin with his pandemonium.

    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/russia-continues-ukraine-invasion-live-updates

    "Belarus could join Russian invasion as soon as Monday"

    "Belarus could send soldiers into Ukraine to support the Russian invasion of the country.

    “'It’s very clear Minsk is now an extension of the Kremlin,' a Biden administration official told the Washington Post Sunday.

    "Troops from Belarus could join the fight as soon as Monday, the official said."
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    Belarus has been dumping refugees into Poland to do as much harm to Poland as is possible. Western nations are being made violent and are having their higher civilization watered-down by the influx of people from intrinsically violent nations.

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    Were I one of the mega-rich oligarchs, instead of trying to burn the U.S. Constitution with my billions of dollars, I would send in supplies to Ukraine to kick Putin in the nads. I'd send in sniper rifles along with accurate ammunition so that the Ukrainians could kill officers. It would be good to send in accurate rifles into Russia for the assassination of valuable government operatives -- kill-off their accountants, kill-off people loyal to the Borg. I'd send in land mines scraped-up from around the world. I'd send in booby traps galore. I'd send in reservoir bladders to fill with fuel -- as Russian columns would pass, the Ukrainians could burn to death lots of Russian troops. In Afghanistan, the Mujahideen caught an entire Russian column in a massive tunnel and burned them to death therein. The Czechs tossed Molotov cocktails down on the Russian tanks that were invading their country. It lessens the enemy's moral when you burn their mates to death. Gasoline + soap flakes (not detergent, actual soap flakes) makes napalm. Fighting a guerilla war is the ONLY way citizens can fight back against Big Brother forces.

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  17. poltiregist

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    In my photo album when I was in Nam is a picture of a huge towering fire belching black smoke that looks similar to that oil refinery fire that they keep showing in Ukraine . The fire in Nam is burning up the enemy that were hiding in a hole that overlooked the firebase . About dusk each evening they would come out and shell us . The officers put me and a few other guys mixing up what they called fue gas " perhaps misspelled " Fifty five gallon drums of this stuff we mixed up with boat paddles . The readied fue gas was put in cargo nets and hauled by helicopters and dropped on top of the enemy's hole . When the barrels were shot with an m60 machine gun exploded into a huge fire ball . That ended the in-coming fire from that hole . --- That stuff placed along roads in Ukraine certainly would be a deterrent . All the defender would have to do is shoot the barrel at the appropriate time . --- Yesterday I checked to see if Ukraine was bringing in Mercenaries but found no mention of such hiring by Ukraine . However I did see where Russia was sending in mercenaries .
     
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    Rulers across the globe insisting the peasants get their bodies injected with the concoction to fulfill their agenda 31 agreement of a reduced human population . Their bodies now ruined . Now because of weak and deranged leadership in the U.S. the globe sits on the precipice of a nuclear war . Run away inflation now has made being truly prepared out of reach for many , even though they may now realize their failure to take prepping as serious as they should have . The apocalypse may be near reducing people to a Mad Max existence . --- We may indeed live to see some people grubbing around in the dirt like hogs looking for roots , bugs and worms to eat .
     
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  19. lonewolf

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    with what is going on in the world today all the above is possible.
    War in Ukraine wont be the last of it, if Putin is successful he will then start on all the Baltic states, this will give the green light for NK to attack the South, Iran vs Israel, and China vs Taiwan. in other words WW3.
     
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  20. lonewolf

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    apparently there is now a Swedish medical study that has stated the Pfizer jab is turning into DNA in liver cells.
     
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      Here is a rebuttal article:
      https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/th...ines-permanently-alter-your-dna-and-lab-leak/
      I can sorta-kinda keep up with this rebuttal; however, my genetics coursework was sooooooo long ago that many of these principles were unknown. I could comment on it, but my comments would be shallow. I remain in my opinions where I stood before. This jab is ONLY for the elderly and those at particular risk. Since C19 does not put very many youth in hospitals (at all; plus, these are an at-risk patients anyway), it's unwise to use some mRNA jab on everybody. I mean, that's not just silly, that is reckless. Billions of dollars are involved, therefore you gotta know that corruption is involved. I wasn't born yesterday.
       
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  21. Max rigger

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    Given that the bombs dropped on Japan were around 15 kiloton and modern thermo nukes are around 1,000 kilotons I'd say you need to rethink your view .
     
  22. lonewolf

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    its my view based on my personal research, you are welcome to do your own.
    only a madman starts a nuclear war, is Putin mad? I dont know for sure but starting a war isnt the action of a sane individual. Russia wasnt threatened and Russia is the invader.
    Lavrov (Foreign Minister) is reported as saying "WW THREE will be a nuclear war".
    yes, and anyone that survives that, and there wont be many, will have been bombed back to the Stone Age because WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
     
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  23. poltiregist

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    The wisdom of how an individual prepared will determine how well they and their family will find their living standard after all the bombing stops . They will either live relatively secure with a decent meal each day or will be grubbing for worms to eat .
     
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