The Importance Of Community In Survival

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  1. Doubletap45

    Doubletap45 New Member
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    I don't care how well prepared you are, if you live in the wrong place and the SH'sTF, you are not going to make it. Really think about this statement.
    If you are in a City or Urban area, with lots of gimme type people. People who go to the store every night to buy their dinner. People who's biggest concern in life is being attached to their social media device, you are in trouble. Liberal areas are going to be the worst.
    How many people in your neighborhood are prepared to last even a month on their own ?
    I just read one post where the person was talking about OPSEC as to prepping supplies. They had a flood, word got out to one neighbor that they had food and in a day, 90 people were at the door begging for food and supplies. If all goes south, people will not just be begging, they will be doing their best to take what you have.
    That nice guy down the street when he see's his kids with no food will turn into the protective animal who will do anything to get food for his family.

    In many areas, people will eat each other. We all know the Government will be of little help when the SHTF. If anything, they will be one of your biggest problems.

    A remote bug out location is only safe until a group finds you and wears you down until they get what you have. Alone without others of like mind and preps, you will be in trouble.

    Your best bet for survival is to find a community where just about everyone is a prepper. I live in such a community. People here have food, water sources, guns, ammo and the know how and have the equipment and tools to survive far better than the vast majority of cities, towns and county's in this country.

    It's not perfect, but to me, close as can be. People here will form a common defense of our town and area.
    There are a couple smaller cities not too far away, but even many there are of a prepper mindset.
    When you make the drive to the Walmart in the closet of the smaller cities, you will see some locals open carry their firearms, many more are CCW, and this is in a small city.

    There are only three roads that lead into our town. Towns on those roads before they get to our town will do their best to stop anyone from getting to them. They are a buffer for us.

    Our town is made up mostly of generational family's who were farmers and ranchers. People who know the importance of being stocked up.

    I don't think there is any perfect place. That said, if you can, find a place where people of like mind to you live and if there is anyway possible to do so, move there. These types of communities are out there, you just have to find them.
    These are places who judge you on the type of person you are. Don't move to such a community and try to change it into a place like where you came from. If you don't accept the ways of your chosen community, and it's the type of community I've suggested, you will not be accepted.
    It is common knowledge that most all here have food and weapons. There may not be open discussion of everything you have, but just about everyone knows that most can hold out on their own. If the SHTF, people here will work together, trade, barter and survive.
    The farmers have told the locals that if food is no longer available, their vast stores of food will be for the community.

    It's also a gun friendly place. Open carry, Constitutional Carry, no restrictions on the type of gun or it's accessories outside of federal law. The Law Enforcement here is on the side of the people. They are people we know, people who live in our community.
    We have little crime, some drug use, but it's not seen much, it's been many years since we have had a local murder. It's a place that the locals walk the streets with no fear of being attacked, robbed or molested. There is respect for others.
    Were I not to watch the news or read anything, I would think all was well in America, living where I do.

    It's not easy to pick up and move to another community. I've done it three times before settling on where I live now. You may have to downsize your grand lifestyle; work a different type of job, but trust me, it can be done if you are willing to work.

    If you are truly concerned with a total break down of society, you cannot afford to be in the wrong place when it happens. Not if you have any hope of surviving.

    My two cents.
     
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  2. Keith H.

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    I think it is a given that one gets out of the city when/if it all hits the fan. Many won't!
    Keith.
     
  3. Doubletap45

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    By that time, it may be too late. That is the point of my post. Get while the getting is good.

    People outside of the cities are not going to take in city dwellers after the balloon goes up, at least not willingly.
     
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  4. Keith H.

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    For most people I would imagine that this would not be easy or even possible. To leave your job & move out bush takes money, lots of money if you intend to purchase land & live without an income. Law & order is still present, rates/taxes to be payed. The majority of people in the cities that do decide to get out will probably not have a retreat waiting for them. They can't simply leave now & move into a national park & set up home.
    Even rumours of shtf are not good enough to make someone leave their comfortable home in the city, they need to be sure that bugging-out is the only alternative left to them.
    Keith.
     
  5. Arkane

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    Cities are sheeple factories!
    All it will take is a few to be seen fleeing for the mindless stampede to commence!

    Oh look Fred and Wilma are packing the car in a hurry , oh look they have just bolted!
    Barney we should go to! oh and that odd couple down the road have just left packed right up they are!
    Barney we should go! Barney we must go! get packing right now!
    and so it go's!
    No one wants to be last!
     
  6. lonewolf

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    by the time anyone realises they have to leave the city-if they ever do- it will be far too late for them.
    myself and others have been telling people to leave the city and move out into the country-now, not when SHTF, but does anyone listen? we have heard all the excuses.
    80% of people in this country now live in cities, and are 4 generations removed from the land........that's 80% who aren't going to make it post SHTF.
     
  7. lonewolf

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    this week we have a new tv programme called "Eden" it is filmed over 12 months and involves 23 people starting a community in a remote area(Scottish highlands) with no contact with the outside world.
    the problem is, they have brought their 21st Century attitudes with them, and everything is controlled by community meetings, its all too p.c. and too "metro sexual", one girlie even broke into tears when they killed a pig so they could have meat, they've already lost one goat because it ate the bag of chicken feed they didn't put away, and it died.
    the S might hit the fan but unless people can remove themselves from their old modern lifestyle and adapt to the new way of living they aren't going to survive for very long.
    there is no point being a member of such a group if their behaviour and attitudes could lead to us not surviving.
     
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  8. Keith H.

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    Sounds interesting, but perhaps frustrating to watch.
    Keith.
     
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  9. lonewolf

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    yes, very frustrating, I don't think many of them will last 12 weeks never mind 12 months.
    I don't think I could work with such people, in fact I know I cant.
     
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  10. Doubletap45

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    That's the problem with shows like that' they put a bunch of Metrosexuals, crybabies and animal rights morons who don't have a lick of life experience or know their butt from a hole in the wall and expect them to "Survive". It's all just for ratings. These are the people who will be dead in the first 2 weeks of any real event.
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    now for once, I agree with you there.:D:D
     
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  13. lonewolf

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    second episode tonight, they are already argueing about how much work they will do.
     
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  14. Keith H.

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    This series should be right up everyone's alley that are into community living post TEOTWAWKI.


    This is a great series produced by PBS. It shows the lives of people living a 17th century lifestyle in a new community. Well worth watching if you are serious about long term wilderness survival.
    Keith.

     
  15. lonewolf

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    look on youtube for "Tales from the green valley", that is how I see us all living in Britain post SHTF. a 17th century reconstruction of farming life.
    the entire set up was run by only 3 people, with the odd "expert" coming in to show them how to do specialist tasks...well it was a TV series!!
    the population of Britain in 1750-when the "industrial revolution" started-was 7 million, or just over 10% of what it is now.
     
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  16. Keith H.

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    Tales From The Green Valley is a great series, only the English can make documentaries like this so well. As a matter of fact many farms in England are already operating in this way, having gone back to pre motorised machinery. These are the people who are ahead of the game.
    Keith.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    I wished I knew a few, its all mechanised near me, although its all livestock, you have to go about 6 miles east before you see arable farms.
    when we lived in Somerset we saw a lot of "mono-cropping", same thing grown in the same field year after year after year.
     
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  18. poltiregist

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    I agree with most of the opening post Doubletap45 presented . To take up residence in a prepper minded community is a huge plus to survival . But not for the purpose of taking advantage of your neighbors . The purpose would be to surround your environment with people that would not become starvingly desperate people seeking your stuff . Forming some kind of community support should be way , way down the list on importance . A community milita to repeal the unprepared is one of the few instances I could see a thorough prepper considering community support .
     
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  19. lonewolf

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    I do not think a "prepper community" exists as such in the UK.
    survival will be down to the individual or family group, not any community.
     
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  20. poltiregist

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    I live in a rural community here in the U.S. that a ice storm left the entire community without electrical power about six weeks and for most of these people it meant no running water as they were operating on their own water wells . That also meant all stores and businesses shut down ," except for our local liquor store " . No one died as the result , to the best of my knowledge . Most everyone stays prepared for at least a few weeks . That's why I found it so ridiculous on another thread a so called "expert " advised everyone to be prepare to survive for " 3 " days . I suspect this community would have survived for many more weeks with few if any casualties . Most are not as hard a core a prepper as my neighbor across the creek or me as we prep to last indefinitely . I suspect there are other pockets in the U.S. containing a prepper minded community .
     
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  21. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    Forgot if it was here at msf.com or another site, but I explained the background of the 3 day supply loadout. We do have an abundance of "experts" throughout the country.

    The 3 day "rule" started when the National Guard and the active military could arrive with supplies prior to 3 days' time.

    So many are now welfare recipients of various programs that changing the 3 day rule to the more realistic 30 (thirty) days means the US Government must fund the increased supply. This just cannot be done. Thus, the old 3 day rule remains as the basic guide for the public. Imagine the additional costs to run a high rise Section 8A housing complex for a month's duration. Imagine the lawsuits and the rest of the routine.
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    I do not believe that in the UK such a concept as "Community" even exists, most people do not know who there neighbour is.
     
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