I put this in the Politics section because I recognize that this kind of thing is a belief as well as an operating system of some people...consciously or unconsciously..and I have noticed it among many. But for years I had never heard of it under an economic study by Vilfredo Pareto or as the Pareto Principle. I only came into the formal awareness of such an operating principle in the last four or five years. And the other night at work ...it suddenly clicked into what you are going to read here. Here goes..... I seldom do this but the other night at work I blew up at the crew to which I am assigned. To my surprise these fellows felt I was out of order for so speaking up and tried to put the blame on me... To me this is textbook Ishmaelite thinking...and I don't think most even know of it. Ishmaelite ...putting others into bondage. What has been happening since I have been in this crew is a noticeable trend of getting a job and everyone going to sit down and take it easy until briefing time...eating, talking about sports/the Kardashians, reading, and doing anything but getting ready for the job. This could be hours until briefing time. What happens is that it is always the same people who step foreword and begin the preparations ..get procedures properly updated and verified as to the current status of said procedures, the tools..parts...and general everything needed for the job...including coordinating other support trades and people. These other people just show up...like someone set up the buffet line for them....and expect to just blend in and no one notice what has happened. I realize that some of this is a supervision problem..but to me a person involved in a job should be, over time, able to step back and view the job/task and see what they need to reach the goal...to get the things needed in place to reach the goal. But it is always the same few who do this. The same few who self start. What would happen if these same few people doing this preparation were out that night..or transferred to some other place...or gave up the ghost. This is not the only crew in which I have worked where this kind of thing is noticeable. Some people are just not self starters...or even eager participants. They want someone else to set up the buffet line and then show up and "Watch" the show....and not contribute much. And they got upset at me for bringing this out into the light about them wanting someone else to set up the buffet line for them...while they just sat around...and the same olde people constantly setting up the buffet line for them. This is known to most of us as the 80/20 rule...where 80% of the people do 20% of the work and 20% of the people do the other 80%. A fellow named Vilfredo Pareto came up with this ...an economist...and it is called the Pareto Principle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle My point in bringing up all this stuff....is whether we would want such performance in our SHTF or TEOTWAWKI groups??? Do we want such people surrounding us in life and death situation....the Kardashian types as I am often, tongue in cheek, want to refer to them. Have any of you members ever thought it through from this kind of angle??? It just strikes me that in a SHTF ...these people ... could work you to death taking risks for them being expected to set up the buffet line for them so they can just show up gratis. Many of these people are the "Love love love types as I call them...we must love everyone... or it is not fair" They don't seem to have any clue about how "Unfair " are they themselves...that their 20% operation/operating patterns put other people into bondage for them to make up the other 80%. My mind tends to think in this pattern from time to time. To me ..this kind of person/persons are "High Maintenance." Well...I'm tending to ramble on now in my ire...but I think many of the members here understand the point or the pattern. I can take this further in my rabid patterns of thought..such as asking myself if our affluent economic situation tends to support such an 80/20 principle and is this one reason our country is loosing it's greatness...because this 80/20 principle is now subsidized for political clout for votes?? In other words has it become a devout political religion for the purpose of securing votes!!?? What would a 70/30 change do to America and it's greatness??? 60/40?? comments???? Thanks, Watcherchris Not an Ishmaelite.