The Pareto Principle....

If this virus business continues to go on.....some of you need to be aware of the Pareto Principle.....the 80/20 rule...

Villfredo Pareto...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle


In most groups ….20% of the people do 80% of the work.

80% of the people do 20% of the work.


I found this out years ago after hurricane Katrina and taking in some 8 extra people as I was the only one with a generator for some 9 or 10 days.

I don't plan on doing that again...for it clearly and quickly stood out ...those who could and would do and those who waited around for the Buffet line to be set up and just show up to eat.

In a prepper group you want mostly people from the 20 % group....not the 80%.

This is very difficult when children are involved....particularly in the day and time of disposable diapers....plastic and battery toys.

It is going to show up....clearly as to why in years past...our parents and grandparents were so strict on children...



If this business with the virus goes on for a lengthy period...longer than projected....this is going to change significantly the way we as Americans live and take for granted our economic affluence.

The 80% are going to start showing up quickly.

To me many of them were the non preppers who bitched and whined about "hoarders" while they mostly prepped for the weeks game on the Television....then screamed Unfair....unfair labor practice.


Be Warned the 80/20 rule or the Pareto Principle...



My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris.

 

Does the 20% will managed to do their jobs without the support of the 80%? I strongly doubt. Even in modern military the tooth-to-tail ratio could stand between 20% - 30%. It even larger during the ancient and medieval times

This plague will last for the entire 2020 at best.

 

Wow Varuna!!

Know what happened here at Jamestown, Virginia about 30 miles north west of me on the James River.....when the colony was founded back in the early 1600s ???

You might want to rethink this without taking for granted good economic times and plenty.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

I don't doubt it, I've seen the 80/20 rule in action first hand.

but a story comes to mind, The Spartan 300

 

Yup...me too..

I have another name for it...High Maintenance.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

"The Pareto principle (also known as the 80/20 rule, the law of the vital few, or the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Management consultant Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who noted the 80/20 connection while at the University of Lausanne in 1896, as published in his first work: Cours d'économie politique; in it, Pareto showed that approximately 80% of the land in Italy was owned by 20% of the population."

The problem with this is that in the last 100+ years the 80% have bred like rats while the 20% have barely replaced themselves. The current reality is much closer to 90/10 than the 80/20 of the time of this initial observation. In the US it might even be as high as 95/5. In other places, it might even be worse.

 

I did very well at university.

Why shouldn't I have! I was using-up money, I BETTER have done well, else my education was a waste of my money and the money of other people, taxpayers for instance. After university, it was upon me to make use of my education. My first responsibility is to my family. Yet, I also have responsibilities within my community. My community does NOT own me, but I am going to protect my community. I will vote out of office any person who does not abide by the U.S. Constitution.

I was working on work tonight. I may have come up with something that will improve hospital supply supplies being available during this Covid19 fight / how to destroy viruses ... blah blah blah ... technical crap. Does that make me a hero? NO!!!!!!!!!!! I should be doing this. Why would I NOT be doing this?! To foist off onto others one's own responsibilities is, quite frankly, immoral.

I was taught as a lad, through examples from my family, that one pulls their weight. "Get up and get busy, boy!" "Do your part." We need not be herded into a collective by Big Brother to do our part. Sheeple end up getting herded when they go useless and weak. Aggression is caused by the ready-availability of victims.

It is extraordinarily dangerous for any society to turn away from the principle of individual responsibility. In Western culture, the breakdown in civilization and the weakening of the people is a direct result of turning away from self discipline. "Someone else will do it" = death of a society.
"Big Brother will protect me" = slavery and/or death.

 

The things that are killing our nation are things that in the past meant a lot but now mean nothing. Honor (You do the right thing because it is right and not out of fear of getting caught), Respect that is EARNED, Rights balanced by Responsibilities, People that tell the truth and don't lie cheat and steal are looked down on as stupid these days. Men that think that being a man means knocking up as many women as possible and then abandoning them and their kids.

Crime is growing basically because there is no commensurate punishment to match the crime. I read yesterday about a man that killed two people; a 76-year-old woman and a 53-year-old nephew. He got 25 years for this, He was released after 23 years and immediately went and killed the Woman's daughter. What kind of justice only gives someone a couple of decades for killing 2 people? The 80/20 thing applies to crimes. most crimes are committed by people that have been caught and convicted several times and yet were free again and again. My wife spent 25 years working in the prisons and watched this revolving door system allow MONSTERS to return and repeat their crimes over and over.

I see TEOTWAWKI as the only hope that this world has of surviving the next extinction event. There comes a point when an old delapidated building becomes so infested with rats that the only solution isto burn it down.

 

Olde Geezer,

You got me to remembering something that happened in the hurricane Isabelle event when I took in some 8 extra people here.

Two of these people were young ..one young man and his girlfriend with a young child...not his child...

Now this young woman brought with her some kind of folding swing for rocking a child..

Now to my memory these child folding swings had some kind of wind up rocking gadget on them. But this one took 6 D type batteries of which she brought none while waiting for this male boyfriend of hers to arrive. He was the last to arrive here.

This young woman was so ignorant...about conditions that she stated.."I'll send him out to get some when he arrives."

I told her point blank that when he got here he was going no where...she could rock the child as did her mother and grandmother. I also told him, when he arrived, that he was staying put and not going anywhere. We would make do with what we had.

I also told her that I had 6 D cell batteries but they resided in my SSB shortwave set..and were not to be surrendered to her and her child.

What was verily shocking to see...was that the next day ….after the Hurricane had passed there was a large tree across the road...going into and out of this neighborhood.
I had not foreseen it that far but just knew it was not a wise idea to go out in such declining conditions.


This woman was so stupid...that under declining conditions she would have sent her man out to run a touchdown for her and the child in getting batteries when the cup boards would have undoubtedly been empty across town.
She should have had batteries pre positioned way before this event....or learned to do without. Not send someone out to be expendable and disposable for her's and the child's comfort levels...and think this was normal..even entitled.

And I believe many young men would have gone out to find batteries under such declining conditions....tried to run this touchdown.

I have since become more acutely aware of such leftist entitlement thinking amongst many that certain people are expendable and disposable for the comfort levels and ease of others....for free...and even for votes.

I dispise this kind of thinking...
One makes do, prepares, trains, or learns to do without.

This is one of the experiences and sources of my nightmare dream of being stuck on that Desert Island with 400 people who only know how to text...high maintenance.
Ishmaelites.


Thanks for reminding me,
Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

oh....Olde Geezer...

This young woman also brought me to the light of how much we take our economic affluence for granted...in another manner.

As I have an electric hot water heater....we made do for some time with cold water baths/showers and also washing clothes.

I kept the 4000 watt generator at my Parents house in the day time charging up their refrigerators and freezers and then back to my house at night doing the same...double duty.
I was not smart sufficient back then to get the wheel kit for it.

When washing clothes here in cold water...there was not enough power to also run the dryer.

I gave this young woman a fold out wooden clothes rack and told her to unfold it and hang her wash on it ...then put a box fan across it to help in the drying.

I got this dumb lost look on her face in response to my statement …...followed by my asking..."You do know how to use this fold out clothes drying rack...yes.??"

No...she admitted....

I was a bit stunned...I was not prepared for that.

I did not lose it but demonstrated how it was done....


But it goes to show how much we take out economic affluence for granted and never think about the possibility of a manual override.


Lessons learned for both me and that young woman.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

In my many years working in people's homes repairing their appliances and Ac/heaters, I saw many things that were hard at first for me to understand or believe. People have actually called me to come and fix an appliance when the problem was that they had no power. This happened more than once. Many people, especially kids in college don't understand the difference between dish washER soap and dish washING soap. I have gone to a house that was waist-deep in bubbles more than once. LOTS of people that either never knew how or have forgotten how to use their oven. You wouldn't believe how many people will try to BROIL biscuits. The list of stupid things is endless. lots of people seem to just refuse to think. Some of these people have PHDs so they can't be just plain stupid. ???

More and more people are using their cell phones to replace their brains. If we were to get hit by an emp that wiped out the power and phones and computers these people would be like a marionette puppet with its strings cut.

 

You should be thankful you get paid for working on mundane problem / work. I myself under contractual obligation to be on call to hop on the next flight to a neighboring country to do a 15 minutes work (at most) and getting paid for a full day work, and it happen because I can't find any local who is willing & have the skill to do the job

 

Knowing the Pareto Principal in advance can come in handy, if-and-when things start to get sticky. Dawn and I are in that stage right now: we have the homestead, the animals, and the garden; and we're pretty well stocked up with what we need to pull through an extended shelter-in-place. The only extended family I have is my sister-in-law and her significant other, who live in Boise, abouit 120 miles west. They have no preps whatsoever, always thought our approach to a more self-reliant lifestyle was silly, and both are afraid of having a firearm in the home, because sometime at night my Mossberg or DPMS can come alive and can kill you.

They don't work. They admire our garden and goats/chickens, and love to come by for the dinner, but you won't see them helping while they're here. I always ask why they don't have a garden (she doesn't work and both are in pretty good health for their age) like ours; they say they're "too busy".

Now things are different. We're both staying at the homestead, and they have said -- in a half-serious way -- that "if things get really bad, we can come and stay with you". We both told them that need to rely on their own self, and suggested getting at least a couple months worth of food and water. They just brush off the whole idea, saying they "were only kidding and nothing's going to happen anyway."

We've agreed that we're not going to deal with them. If they show up at our door, we'll bring them in for a meal and tell them that they have to go back home. It's going to be difficult for both Dawn and me, but we have committed to our plan.

My son, on the other hand, says he will move up here (for an "extended visit") when the school where he teaches closes -- either in the first of June or next week (no one's sure, not even the teachers). Smart as a whip, strong as an ox, is armed, and will do whatever is necessary and needed on the homestead. Hopefully he will bring his Hmong girlfriend, who was raised in the mountains of Laos. Hard working woman, great cook, and like my son, will be extremely welcome and valuable. I just hope they get here in time.

That's the 80/20 for me. Anyone else will be taken in or asked to leave using the same principle. I hope it never happens, but if it does, I hope for the strength and will to carry it out.

 

Geezer, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I do think that my moral responsibility to my community is second only to my family and myself. Sometimes at odds with other prepper/survivalist who see a major disruption as an excuse to make it "every man for himself". There's a fine line there, but my problem's made easier by living in a community of self-reliant people whose occupation (agriculturalist or agri-support structure) and religious views (LDS) can be a barrier to many slackers or hoodlums.

Of course, if they see me as an "80 percenter" rather than as a "20 percenter" I won't be a welcome member of the community.

 

Redistributionist governments redistribute (steal) the bounty of industrious people out to the parasite people. One can make the point that even a stupid horse can be used for labor, however paying for a horse's oats can become too expensive.

If tomorrow America lost the 30% of the population composed of those who do not want to work, who actively predate upon other human beings, and those who simply feed'n'breed, the country would go on. Actually, the country would go on even better than before. OK, so the snack food industry would suffer, as would the cigarette companies, as would the malt liquor breweries.

 

so the 80 percent are socialists?

 

I don't know that I would call the 80% socialists....per se..but they can be easily led to think and vote so without knowing it is happening.

I also think many of them live in Disneyland and know it not....they think this is normal.

Again what I call a television and or movie education.

I have suspected and for some time now that this is related to the attempt to feminize the American male..


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom