The rapture

Discussion in 'The Apocalypse' started by remnant, May 27, 2016.

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  1. remnant

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    I have placed this post here since it looks like the most appropriate section to do so. If you are a Christian, you no doubt know about the Second Coming of Jesus. All signs predicted in the Bible are gradually manifesting like wars, increase in knowledge and love of money. The Holy Spirit is gradually withdrawing from the world for the AntiChrist to manifest. After the rapture, an apocalyptic period called the Great Tribulation will commence and last for seven years before the False Prophet and the AntiChrist the two other members of the demonic trinity are cast into eternal damnation in hell for Christ to establish His kingdom on earth. To cut the long story short, the best place te be would be Israel as the AntiChrist will make a treaty with Israel before turning against it later on.
     
  2. Destiny

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    Well, I'm not a very devout Christian... but, if the rapture did happen there's no way I'd be trying to "survive" it. According to The Bible you can be accepted into heaven after the rapture if you do some shit.... I don't remember what. I think I'd be trying to do that some shit instead of cozy up with the anti-christ.
     
  3. John Snort

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    According to the bible during that period, in order to avoid being imprisoned, tortured, murdered, etc., you'll need to get some mark. Some speculate that it's going to be a chip implanted in you to identify you as one of their own if you want to buy anything or even move around freely.
    All you need to do is avoid getting that mark, whatever it will be but if you don't, the odds of surviving will be quite low.
     
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  4. lonewolf

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    don't believe in "the rapture" myself.
     
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    I do not believe in any religion of any kind!

    I do believe in Hot Lead, Cold Steel and Genes! but that is not a religion!
    No rapture for me, and the devil can go to hell!
     
  6. ukpreppergurl

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    Don't believe in the Rapture, lizard people, the Illuminati or any other such stories, personally. I DO believe in being prepared for plausible, realistic situations that could unfold - belief in fairy stories doesn't factor into my thinking.
     
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    Uhm, ok. So assuming there's a rapture, there's no way to avoid it really. This hypothetical and prophecised event pertains all the humans everywhere, so if it were to happen, you would have no choice but to roll with it. I guess the hard part would be trying to survive the events before the rapture begins and the tribulations themselves...and there's various theories around the timing of the apocalypse & rapture, as either separate or simultaneous events, placing it before, in midst or after the tribulations.

    @remnant , I like your idea of hiding at the eye of the storm, but that just means you'll get a front row seat at the worst things to come.
     
  8. Destiny

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    So, if I refuse to get the mark of the beast and die because of it, will I go to heaven? I've always wondered that but never while I had an opportunity to ask.
     
  9. John Snort

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    There are other conditions . . . love your neighbor as yourself, etc. That's just one of them but I don't think any of us should be worried about the rapture and great tribulation because I'm sure it won't happen while any of us are still alive.
     
  10. lexinonomous

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    There is no way that I could survive The Rapture. If the coming of Jesus really did happen, I think I'd be in a whole mess of trouble. I do not believe in a Christian God- but that doesn't mean I don't respect people that do. If this were a real life situation, I'd imagine I would just accept the fact that I'm going to be staying here. That is what is supposed to be happening, correct? Jesus is going to be saving the people that truly believed and leaving behind the people that didn't.

    I definitely wouldn't be making my way to heaven, so I'd imagine I would just end up a slave to Lucifer. There's really no fighting something like that. I don't think there would be any way to survive that.
     
  11. tb65

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    That some shit is either being beheaded or having to be a rebel living in the wilderness. This forum may come in handy if you plan to be here for the anti christ and the apocalypse, but let me tell you I don't think they call this the great tribulation for nothing. The best thing to do is be as close to Christ as you can right now and all that hell on earth can be avoided. I like studying about survival and living of the grid because this will be the way of the future for those who refuse to sell there souls, but I don't wanna be hear if I don't gotta you know what I mean?
     
  12. ziskasun

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    I'm with you Remnant. The rapture of the church will happen although we don't know when. The Bible tells us so. It even tells us how to prepare for that event, and what to do after the rapture happens if we are left behind. I prepare for that and I also prepare for more common situations such as natural disasters or economic collapse. I've always been the type to plan ahead but now, I feel an urgency that I did not feel before. It seems to me that many people feel that. It seems more common now no matter whether you are a Christian or religious or not, many are feeling and noticing changes.
     
  13. DecMikashimota

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    I believe that all of the stories that everyone is referring t have been flipped by the church.

    Its all possibly astro-theology that has been mistranslated purposely so that the people who have put that religion in place can still practice their original religion exalting the stars and constellations in secret but in plain sight.

    So in my book the rapture will not look like what s described by your everyday baptist preacher. It may be referring t some shift in the planets that is said to have a certain type of reaction.
     
  14. Verity

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    If the Rapture is true and people go up and you're left here is what will happen. There will be 7 very bad years. It will get worse and worse as it goes. If you're a Christian you have a choice, give up your beliefs and follow that of the earth or be a martyr. I don't think there will be a "good" place if you're willing to fight.
     
  15. Toast

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    Of all the possible situations, I think a rapture is most likely. I don't really know much about religion, but I think Jerusalem is considered the holy land? If that's the truth, I think that'd be the best place to hideout. Besides that, if the stories are true, I don't think there's anywhere that's really safe to hideout from "Satan".
     
  16. JMS

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    This chip in the hand thing is really bugging me. I think it is that mark that is spoken of in the Bible. This means that I would never take it. Already they are selling it for a few hundred pounds so all the rich will start off the craze. Soon enough it will be really hard to get a bus, shopping or even get a book out of the library unless you have this chip. To me, it is the mark of the devil. I may have to go off the grid at that time. I'll be eating bugs off of the ground until God takes me. Or failing that, I hope to find others who will refuse the mark. I do definitely think that the mark is the chip in the hand that they have recently been advertising.

    The thing that really bothered me about this chip is that I read that in the future, babies will be given the chip automatically when they are born. This would take away our basic human rights.
     
  17. CivilDefense

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    Ignoring for the moment that this is a religious claim with no supporting evidence from science, you do realize that the vast majority of Christians do not subscribe to a pre-tribulation Rapture, right? Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, and a bunch of others don't subscribe to that interpretation. And trying to prepare for this seems a little bizarre, considering it is part of a belief system that involves the literal end of the world.
     
  18. seandeville

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    I'm not convinced. The 6th plague is the one you need to worry about here - The Euphrates River dries up to facilitate the crossing of the armies from the east (ISIS?/Iran?/KSA?), on their way to Israel for the battle of Armageddon. This event corresponds with Daniel 11:44
     
  19. TexDanm

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    I put the rapture in with the zombie apocalypse, alien invasion and Godzilla as something so unlikely that to try and prepare for it would be useless to me. I guess if it comes and we are all killed I won't be any worse off than anyone else. Judgement day will come for us all at some point and nothing you can do will prevent that. I have little fear of death and only want to make sure that when I die it is with honor and dignity. None of us is going to get out of this life ALIVE!!!
     
  20. Blackfish

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    There will be no rapture. No one is coming. All that you have is here and now and that is all you are ever going to have. Deal with it.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    believing in The Rapture to me is akin to believing "the government will save me", in that anyone who does is relying on another person or something to save them, they are not being self reliant.
     
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  22. TexDanm

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    I have to tell y'all, my Dad was a Lay Preacher and I was raised reading the Bible...BUT... I have never understood the crud about the so called rapture, end times, or any of the other crazy stuff that a few people seem to find as the most important part of the Bible.

    The Old Testament is a printed gathering of an oral history and the legends of the Jewish people and the New Testament is mostly about the message offered by a Jewish Carpenter and Rabbi trying to get people to be a lot more loving and forgiving and also bring people to a more personal relationship with the Jewish God versus having to pay a Priesthood to intercede for you. This ended up getting him killed as is common when you mess with a priesthood, try to change things and be nice.

    I don't understand why the book of Revelations, the ravings of a madman, were included in the Bible. I swear I think the dude was eating the mushrooms that grow out of camel poop!! When I was a stupid kid I had nightmares and a couple of bad trips that sounded a lot like that stuff. Those bad dreams and trips did NOT make me a prophet!

    In a short version the Bible is a lot like a metaphor about a relationship. In the old Testament you have a stern, at times just plain mean, god that made people and watched out for them. Then in the new Testament you see that relationship evolvomg. This is basically what most people experience in their life. Your parents make you and then take care of you. Most of the time they are pretty nice but when you mess up it gets ugly. I assure you that to a small child in my home pissing off my Dad or Mom would bring on apocalyptic reactions!! When you are little you get spanked, grounded and eventually tossed out of the Garden of Eden and into the cold cruel world.

    Later, if you are lucky as I was, you develop a much different relationship with your parents. They always will be your parents but they can also be your friends and in my case my best friends. They advise instead of order and commiserate with you when life bites you in the butt instead of being the one doing the biting.

    All I can say about the Book of Revelations in this vein is that a sour puss would respond to the final stage of growing up with, "Life's a B!+ch and then you DIE!"
     
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    I am not aware that rapture is even discussed in the BIble. If it is, I don't know where. I have never seen it. Rapture is purely made-up religious preacher nonsense, a lie.

    All religion is made up nonsense designed to control the minds of men and steer them in the wrong direction: into the hands of their enemies, who made up all the religious nonsense for the people they mean to rule. I can understand a faith in a deity. I do not agree with it, but I can see how people can entertain the fantasy. But religion is obviously made up by men. Its purpose is to destroy the ability to think rationally, to keep heads in the clouds.

    If ever there was a "bible" for survivalists, it's Ragnar Redbeard's "Might Is Right -- Or -- Survival of the Fittest!" Check that one out, if you haven't already!
     
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  24. koolhandlinc

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    I am pretty sure "rapture" is not mentioned. Wiki it. Its about "the second coming" My personal stance on this is I will not confirm or denie it. Do I believe there will be one? No, not likely to happen.

    I partly agree with what your saying, Blackfish. Often religion is used to simply control simple minded people. I do not believe religion and God are NOT the same thing. Religion is of man.

    Yet it also teaches a code of morals. Not sure how well this is working out. I grew up with don't lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery and such. Yet I feel that wasn't really taught by religion but rather my parents. I find it comforting to pray. Almost like a mediation.

    So I do believe strongly in a higher power. I choose to call my higher power God. Is it the same as defined by most religions. Probably not. Yet I do pray daily.

    The government? Save me? The leaders of the government here seem to have their own personal agenda. If after they have gotten rich and saved themselves they can save me. I think they will. The worse the situation the less likely they will save me.

    I will seek to purchase these books.
     
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    The RFID tagging is already here. There is a company in Wisconsin (Three Square Market) offering it to their employees free of charge. They can access secured areas with a wave of the hand, etc. Credit cards are soon to move in this direction as well. Soon, you won't have to swipe them or use a chip reader, but just wave it and away you go.

    There are a lot of problems with the chips. For one thing, the chips cause cancer in many family pets who have them already. Don't chip your pet.

    Yes, soon they will be offering it in hospitals for babies, much in the same way they now won't let women leave the hospital with their babies without the social security card.

    But what's hilarious about this is the fact that the most dangerous and invasive technology is the one you're probably holding in your hand right now. The smartphone knows everything about you and is recording all of your info in a database. Your government is in fact spying on you already. If you have a smartphone, your privacy is gone. It's that simple. Even shutting it off does not stop it. It is still recording and transmitting data. Learn to use airplane mode when your phone is not in use. Airplane mode shuts off all signals, incoming and outgoing. Use airplane mode while we still have it. Taking the battery out of your phone works as well.

    Facebook is the absolute worst social media app there is. It tracks you every moment of every day, stores the data, and makes Mark Zuckerberg richer than god as he sells you to multinational corporations. Remember, if the social media is free to use, it means that YOU are the product. Delete your Facebook account. Get rid of it. Twitter is almost as bad as Facebook. Get rid of it. And now Twitter and Facebook no longer support free speech and are censoring users literally by the millions. Google is another anti-christ, if you will. A good alternative to Google search is, Startpage. They don't track you.

    Alternative technology is on the rise for those who seek to maintain their privacy and freedoms. Gab is a rising star that is giving Twitter a run for their money in a big way. VK and Minds are good alternatives to Facebook. You may want to check them out.

    Several companies are working feverishly to produce the first privacy phones on the market. They will be out soon, probably in 2018, but rest assured they will be expensive, around one thousand dollars.

    There is nothing wrong with technology. What matters is who us using it and what for.
     
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    It is only one book with two titles. "Might Is Right" by Ragnar Redbeard was written around the end of the 19th century. Ragnar Redbeard is a pen name. Jack London is suspected of writing the book. It is obviously so controversial that no one wanted their real name attached to it. When you read it you will understand.

    You don't have to buy the book. It is available on the Internet for free. Just do a search and find a suitable copy for yourself. Kindle has it for 99 cents.
     
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  27. koolhandlinc

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    Well I am surprised not more here believe in lizard people. :) I just ordered Might is right paper back from Amazon. 10 bucks. I heard a guy about 30 years ago describe the rapture as a religious orgasm and if you do everything just like your told you will get a great big orgasm in the end but just one little thing wrong and God will get ya. He was a proud atheist. Kelly was his name. Funny as all get out. He would tell me to listen or read about it and its just like an orgasm. Never could think of the rapture the same again.
     
  28. omegaman

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    Nicholas Cage made a movie about it, it was kind of cool I suppose. Airplanes, hot chicks and explosions. What more could you ask for? They made a book from it? :D
     
  29. omegaman

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    Leave the lizard people alone. They can hear you think when you sneeze.

    It just struck me when you spoke of the religious orgasm, IT'S LIKE PREPPING :eek::eek::eek:
    We hoard stuff, knowledge, ammo, guns, porn, food, water, just doing everything possible to be as well prepared as possible, waiting for disaster to strike, to releive us, to tell everybodey who thought we were crazy that "******* was right all along!"
     
  30. Old Geezer

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    Holy books with a lot of mythology in them were written by religious leaders of those days to impart spiritual lessons in a format that could be understood by a certain percentage of the religious. So, resurrection of the dead was about people who were just going through the motions of life, spiritually dead, maybe even overtly evil. Then, the Prophet comes along and "resurrects" their souls leading to a blooming of a new society and/or religious Faith.

    This world is all about the cycles of evolution and disintegration ... round and round it goes. People who have been defibrillated back to life in hospital have said that there is a spiritual world ... ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DEATH. They are told by departed souls that coming coming back to the physical world will be beyond difficult.

    Anything about this physical world going heavenly is raw mythology. Be a wise and helpful person, follow the teachings of the prophets, maybe you're a Christian and follow the Christ, all that good stuff, pray for people, maybe we'll go to some better place -- but oh my my, don't look for any kind of heaven in this plane of existence. Wrong universe, sorry.

    Read about the Jefferson Bible. Better yet buy one. I have a hard-bound edition; it is small and handy. It is a great gift for young people, a great text on proper living.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
     
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  31. TexDanm

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    I just ordered a copy from Amazon. It sounds interesting. Ask and it shall be answered ...seek and you will find...knock and the door will be opened to you...
     
  32. TexDanm

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    The rapture is just the newest word that is used to describe the "End Times", " Second Coming" or any number if words used to describe the rather extended and horrific end of the world as we know it as described in the book Revelations. By whatever name you call it it is nonetheless a scam and has no place in with the Teachings of Jesus.
     
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    Just ordered The Jefferson Bible in hard back and Might is Right/Survival of the Fittest from Amazon.
     
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    Two thumbs up!
     
  35. Old Geezer

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    All we can do is all we can do. The soul enters this world or the next seeking enlightenment; this, to the degree the soul can evolve. And that's that.
    1 Corinthians 13:12 King James Version
    12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    Spiritual evolution is more of a b##ch than physical evolution. It is on you. If you think that this is unfair, BINGO! You think Divinity is Mr. Niceguy? Oops!

    Our world is a teeny-tiny microcosm of The Greater -- we are on one grain of sand belonging to an Eternal beach. So it goes. There is no making peace with this unless you are some sort of Buddha. I'm not. I struggle. We all have our Sisyphean stone to roll up whatever hill that presents itself on the 'morrow. The sword I pulled from the stone is manifested in the form of an intensely dark sense of humor; however, know that my perpetually sharpening this one weapon afforded me has rendered it thin beyond measure.

    “Prayer that craves a particular commodity, -- anything less than all good, -- is vicious. Prayer is the contemplation of the facts of life from the highest point of view. It is the soliloquy of a beholding and jubilant soul. It is the spirit of God pronouncing his works good. But prayer as a means to effect a private end is meanness and theft. It supposes dualism and not unity in nature and consciousness. As soon as the man is at one with God, he will not beg. He will then see prayer in all action. The prayer of the farmer kneeling in his field to weed it, the prayer of the rower kneeling with the stroke of his oar, are true prayers heard throughout nature, though for cheap ends.” -- Ralf Waldo Emerson
     
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    The world of man is lost to his own self-perpetuating, unrelenting vacuum; to his sheer nonsense of chronic thinking. Man is the only thing, the only species, completely lost in space, lost inside his own head. He looks where there is nothing to find. He seeks meaning and purpose outside of himself. And this is his great folly, his great error, the great brick with which he bangs his own head.

    What we are after, what we seek, cannot be put to words and thought, cannot be found by seeking. But men put everything into words. This is why he always misses the mark. His endless chatter, his noisy brain, blinds and mocks him, shuts him out. Man, in all his conceit, arrogance, and stupidity, demands explanation of existence, as if he were important, as if existence had something important to do with him. It doesn't. There is no explanation. Existence explains nothing. Man, the stubborn bastard that he is, will not listen, will not be quiet. Man, in his rage against existence and its apparent indifference toward him, sets to chopping it up with a sword and running it over with bulldozers, screaming at the top of his lungs, sweating profusely over every word and sentence in hopes of finally pinning it down, demanding, hoping, like a spoiled child, that his meanness will grant him what he wants. But existence has never, will never, grant him anything. What is, is. And nothing else. Accept this. Turn off the chronic thinking. It is man's most deadly dis-ease.

    What we want, we have already, but we don't know it. Be still. Be quiet. Find your off switch. Find yourself in stillness, and do what you have to do.
     
  37. holditdown86

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    It is easy for someone who only sees from a natural point of view to dismiss the spiritual side. If one has never experienced the supernatural, than yes it would seem to be just mere fairy tales. As for those who have been exposed to the supernatural it is not strange nor simple fairy tales. People always fear what they don't understand with high disregard to those who have experience in such subject matter.
     
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    I suppose some of us were degraded at birth and lack the ability to visit the "supernatural" (there is no such thing). But I am open to it. If it comes, I would be willing to accept it, just the same as for those whom it doesn't come would have to accept it. I mean, what choice do we have, eh?

    Do tell, how do we get in touch with this "supernatural?" I am curious.
     
  39. holditdown86

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    It's a sensitive subject much for debate. The concept of a pretrib rapture would make for an easy way out. How I wonder if any of the 12 disciples had prayed to be raptured up. Even Jesus asked God why He had forsaken Him. For those of us who know Jesus know that we are not greater than Christ. I would much rather suffer for Christs take than to think I got some easy way out that me as a sinner doesn't deserve. These times are very important for those who do not know Jesus Christ to get to know Him and seek to be born again by the Holy Spirit.
    For those who are quick to dismiss the Holy Spirit, I understand... this subject causes people to feel uncomfortable. Yet you witness the masses so intrigued by demons and the spirit realm yet run over the concept of the Holy Spirit... There are demons and angels and we are part of an ancient heavenly war irregardless on if one is passive or active...each individual is part of it.
     
  40. holditdown86

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    Lets look at the definition of "supernatural"
    su·per·nat·u·ral
    ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
    adjective
    1. 1.
      (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
      "a supernatural being"
      synonyms: paranormal, psychic, magic, magical, occult, mystic, mystical, superhuman, supernormal; More
      • noun
    1. 1.
      manifestations or events considered to be of supernatural origin, such as ghosts.
    I admire your willingness to accept the supernatural if it was to come your way... though what one may mock could become their demise. I do not take any pride of my former lifestyle of pagan practices or spiritualism. Its is a dangerous and compromising life to lead... I respect people who seek to think for themselves moreover than just to take my word for it. When seeking the authenticity of the dead sea scrolls and the eyewitness accounts of Jesus would be a good place to start. We have free will, we can choose to dance with the devil or we can acknowledge that the way things have developed in the world is not the way that God had intended them.. it was because of free will that things have begun to unravel to the extent that they have..in addition to the fact that Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled.
     
  41. Blackfish

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    Faith, belief is in fact the most powerful of all the emotions.
     
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    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
    Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29
    an emotional state such as anger, sadness, etc. is temporary...and based off of circumstances.... but some of us have that level of Faith that surpasses all understanding and continues steady through any circumstance...tragedy, celebration, etc...
     
  43. Blackfish

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    I have found the whole Biblical prophesy being fulfilled idea sheer nonsense. One can read the Bible and interpret anything he likes. And perhaps that was the original intent and purpose of the project. It has succeeded brilliantly. The fastest and best way to subscribe to non-belief and homosapiens self-inflicted tragedies is to simply read it.

    There is no supernatural. There is only life, existence. And it is, by far and away, grander than any Bible story.

    The Bible, the Koran, Talmud, etc., need be placed where they belong: in a museum of history, where it can serve as a historical reminder to homosapiens just how crazy things can get when he believes in rash nonsense.

    Let's put away childish things and write the true story, for the record.
     
  44. holditdown86

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    your rationality is like saying that we should claim that WWI, 9/11, etc didn't occur and should be wrote off as nonsense lacking relevance...why is it that people will accept eyewitness accounts for anything and everything BUT the account of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.. or any of the OT ..... atheists argue full throttle against a God they claim doesnt exist...one of two reasons, either because they rather live a life where they dont have to be held accountable to an omnipresent being..an eternal being...or because they want to be their own God..(not having stitched themselves in the womb) Its exhilarating I imagine to be a God to self..it fuels the ego.... Taking away the credibility of God being the creator and taking credit for creating circumstances they themselves did not create........
     
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    I am not an atheist. I made no such claims.

    What is, is. And what is, is here, and now. Past and future literally do not exist.

    Writers of books are not qualified to say what is. They can only denote that which is. When his notations mock reality, when his errors and contradictions demand to be taken as absolute fact, one can pretty quickly see how others may have their doubts.

    I am quite content to leave my mind open to that which is, and to accept existence as it unfolds it's wonders before me.
     
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    :) if this was a game of "fill in the blanks" I would have came to a conclusion (not assumption ) of atheist as the definition is one who lacks a belief or disbelief in a God or gods ... you lack belief do you not? Would you not fit the the definition of an atheist? The NT the gospel was a written eyewitness account ( in which Roman soldiers are also recorded acknowledging the account of Jesus Christ) The OT was written by people who were led by the Holy Spirit ( supernatural ) to write down account of what God desired to convey to the human race... the wars and slayings were also written as eyewitness accounts... some of that which was discovered written down was left out by the Vatican .....I admire that you are still willing to keep an open mind to the truth of possibility ... I pray that God reaches out to you in a way that is undeniable ...like the way God reached out Saul ( murderer and persecutor of Christians ) in the desert who then became Paul ..............
     
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    I lack no such power. I refrain from it, true enough, quite deliberately, until I find something worthy of it.

    I would be sympathetic to your argument, we're it not for the fact the Bible literally and logically makes no sense, and in some places is sheer fabrication.

    As far as persecuting those who believe, well, that's not my project. I judge others on their own individual merit. They can believe as they choose. But it's not for me.

    The undeniable truth is existence.

    Might is right.

    Men make mistakes. Nature does not.
     
  48. TexDanm

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    Might isn't RIGHT it is just stronger. I know a lot of hugely powerful men that are dumb as a box of rocks. If you had ever delivered a calf with 5 legs and its brain on the outside you would KNOW that nature makes a lot of mistakes. Saul was Paul the Deceiver and was just an early version of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart. Existence is mostly an opinion. You can't in fact prove to me that you or anything is real if I am delusional and I have to tell you I think most of humanity is delusional and maybe batpoop crazy!! Take a philosophy class and try to prove that you exist to a group that wants to debate it. This is how we end up with people like the followers of Jim Jones and those Heaven's Gate people.

    There is right and there is wrong but it is mostly culturally based. The same is true of good and evil. Vlad Teppich (Dracula) is considered evil incarnate BUT he was a hero to many of his people and a much loved protector of the Roman Catholic Church. He was called Vlad The Impaler but the action on which this was based was how he turned away an Islamic Ottoman Army that was trying to take over huge parts of the Roman Catholic empire and force their faith in those people. There is rather ying and yang, the two opposing natural forces that seem to exist in every thing in nature.
     

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