U.s. States Going To Hell

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  1. Old Geezer

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    One great thing about funding irresponsible people is that it sends a nation's debt into the stratosphere. Western nations are now heading towards the point where their debts are going to exceed their GDP. Excellent. The international economy RESET button needs to be pushed. People it seems can only be awakened when the price of bread jumps 10x original price per week, when their retirement funds cease to exist. The dark side of me is totally amused as the sheeple whistle past the graveyard. Arrogance on the part of your enemy is thing of grand beauty. The false pride that suffuses the elite all across Western nations is going to be crushed, spines are going to be snapped.

    Economic collapses are followed by wars. The first world war was once called "the war to end all wars". Ladies and gentlemen, World War II was not the last world war on this little blue planet.
     
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  2. watcherchris

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    Wow Olde Geezer,

    You have me remembering an olde photo from Look or Life magazine after WW2 in Hungary ..I think.
    The money inflated so rapidly...lost value and purchasing power and it very quickly cost more and more and exponentially ...for goods.
    The photo depicted a woman coming to a street vendor selling eggs and the price had multiplied so quickly that the woman lost her temper and began pelting the street vendor with her own eggs...and that is the moment the photographer caught it for posterity in the frames. And this pattern has happened in many countries in the last 100 years plus.
    Knowing what I know about phony fiat monies..fractional reserve...et al.....that photo stuck with me all these years.




    Again you have me remembering ..but I am sure not quite the same thing. I bought a new electric weed eater by which I can carry it in the back of my car and not leave gasoline fumes from my gas weed eater. I was trimming up around my lady friend's headstone and watched a fellow walking down the road. The whole way down the road past the graveyard he was making the sign of the cross on his chest...over and over and over...

    Ok by me.........this world takes all kinds...

    Working in this shipyard I've had a number of real genuine scares.....frights..close calls. Makes one aware of how quickly conditions can change..

    It is the living of which I am more concerned..and mark as potentially dangerous...even and often with good intentions.

    One tries to stay frosty...but not superstitious.

    You know that movie and television education thing...!!?? But it made for a good laugh...


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
    1. Old Geezer
      Maybe the fellow we imagine as saying his Hail Mary prayers for his own safety was in actuality saying prayers for the dead. His heart could have been so hard as to be that of a lion's heart, feeling no fear of death whatsoever. Simultaneously, his heart could have been so soft as to have a great love for those souls whose mortal remains were lying in the dirt of that yard -- and in a state of grace was repeatedly saying prayers for the dead to vouchsafe unto them the blessings of God.
       
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  3. Dalewick

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    LOL! I was just trying to offer a site I thought you might enjoy more than ours. There are a number of different sites out there.
    Personally, I think you make a GREAT devils advocate for this site. It's good to be questioned. Makes one think.
    I don't need to agree with everybody. But, that is my problem with Americas Socialist/Democrats. They want to force everybody to agree with them and live by there rules. I'm not OK with that.

    Dale
     
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  4. TMT Tactical

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    Why do we need to look after those that don't earn? Universal Health care for those who can't work (children, disabled and seniors) but NOT for those that choose to not work. What obligates anybody to provide housing for others? OR educational opportunities for free? Illegal immigrants caught entering should be imprisoned, just like any other criminal and then deported back to their country or origin. Want help from France, then add a 5% tariff on French imports for every immigrant they allow to cross the channel. Want to bet France will stop the flow pretty darn quick?
     
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  5. TexDanm

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    I am basically what annoys people the MOST. I am a moderate and refuse to follow anyone's party line. I like your description. I guess that I am a conservative, anarchist with a conscience and little, actually NO, patience with laziness, criminal behavior. and stupidity. On some positions, I am to the right of the radical right and on some, I am pretty liberal. I'm not sure that I am an American style capitalist. It is too much like a game of Monopoly and in the end, one person or group has all the money and property and everyone else is forced to live in poverty. That ensures that sooner or later our nation is going to dissolve into anarchy. The good news is that this is the only way that we as a people can shake off the leeches and parasites that along with the rich are slowly sucking the middle class dry. If we have another civil war the survival rate among the liberals, lazy and greedy rich is going to be VERY poor!
     
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  6. Dalewick

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    I want to know when it became "required" to be either a conservative (Republican) or a liberal (Democrat)? It's one thing to decide how you want to vote but your vote is so limited now that there are only extremes of bad. I am sick to the gut of the bullshit political correctness. There is no middle ground or common sense. If it wasn't for the Democrats trying to legislate what few rights and freedoms I have left away, I probably wouldn't bother with voting. If there was a country out there that is like America used to be (limited laws, Firearms ownership, limited taxes and big brother not trying to run my life) I'd immigrate there.

    I truly believe that everyone picking up sides, instead of being Americans, is what will lead to a civil war. Extremists are who are controlling the narrative, and the narrative is evil. Actually demonic, to quote Watcherchris. People attacking the elderly for no reason. People being OK with killing the unborn and now the new born and even worse wanting to sell the babies "parts". Good considered evil and evil consider good. People cheering the murder of law enforcement officers and calling jackasses that play games for there entertainment (and NOTHING ELSE) Hero's. If not demonic, what then?

    Sadly, the next time the reaper comes for me, I'm ready to go.

    Dale
     
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  7. Sourdough

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    It is called "Rural or Remote Alaska". And there are locations, where you get "Special FEDERAL Subsistence Rights" simply by virtue that location. Has nothing to do with income or wealth or being "First American".
     
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  8. Dalewick

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    I tried talking the wife into that and she said 3 months of darkness and she would kill me and move to Hawaii. I think she means it. After seeing how she did with one month of no dark, I'm sure she means it. LOL!

    Dale
     
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  9. Max rigger

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    In my view and that of most Europeans universal health care should be free at point of use or at least very heavily subsidised and the same goes for education. Medical care and education is a fundamental human right and to deny either or both on the grounds that they don't have the £/$/€ is absolutely immoral.

    Yes, immigration needs controlling without a doubt, France won't take them back, why should they when we shit on the EU, we're on our own. An army camp (first of several) will now house 400 immigrants while their applications are processed and this I hope will act as a deterrent to others thinking they can just turn up, no skills, no money and be provided for, we are a small overcrowded island and the money chain does have an end to it, we simply can't afford to take in immigrants unless they contribute to the economy or are in true danger in their home countries.

    Protests in London today, the anti lockdown/maskers are complaining, looking at the pictures events like these seem to attract men with tattoos, ink poisoning is turning their brains to mush. Personally I'd use water cannons, spray them with long life dye and pick them up in the coming days, standard fines starting at £1000 for first offence.
     
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  10. lonewolf

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    I agree with most of the above, however "protesting" about something is a human right in this country, but LOOTING & RIOTING are not-at least not yet.
    nothing wrong with tattoos, it used to be just bikers and sailors had them, but every little tart has them these days so it dosent have the same standing it used to.
     
  11. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Max,

    An acid test ... a/k/a/ "litmus test:

    When a person elects to become an alcoholic or goes recreational SCUBA diving in shark-infested lagoons or routinely takes drugs outside of the purview of a health care professional, is it a human right in the US ... not addressing the European continentals; they've been subsidized by the US and UK (until Brexit) for way too long ... to transfer wealth from the hard-working citizenry for the medical care and long term required hospice care of the hedonists ?

    ...

    Have successful trip re house-hunting in Spain !
     
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  12. Dalewick

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    I love that liberal mindset that things are a human right. Especially things that cost money. As long as it's somebody else's money.
    We have the human right to breath. To choose what we do with our bodies. That includes working or struggling to acquire food, water, clothing, shelter and anything else in life. We have a right to choose a mate and reproduce if the mate is willing.
    Anyone that wants to see what human rights really are. Visit one of the few remaining native peoples that still live a traditional lifestyle. Humans don't actually have any more "rights" than any other higher lifeform.
    Lazy humans have learned to use other humans emotions against them to give themselves a easier life. They learned to label humans that won't or don't want to support them names like, greedy, cruel, bigot, etc. etc.
    Still playing on emotions
    Just my opinion.

    Dale
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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    "Everyone is entitled to this. Everyone is entitled to that."

    THE core problem to having Big Brother do it is that centralized government always goes bad. Let's say you have some utopian all goodness and light government and it is powerful. People addicted to power (infinitely worse than alcohol or heroin addiction) will bit by bit, year by year, infect then takeover that government. At that point the government will deny the people their human Liberties.

    You end up with totalitarianism where the people are "taken care of". A few scummy people shoot each other, so Big Brother disarms EVERYBODY. The State Religion says that it is racist to do otherwise. That the Liberty and dignity of intelligent and morally upright people is denied means nothing to Big Brother. This is why our original 13 colonies rebelled against the crown.

    Medical costs go through the ceiling because due to government waste -- governments take on lard worse than any hog could accomplish (just as cancers deprive the body of nutrients). What to do? Ration healthcare! So people who are old or have major health issues go before a board and God Government (thanks for the term!) decides who lives and dies.

    Were we humans wired differently, we could have centralized power and it not turn into a rapist monster. But to believe that humans can centralize power without hideous consequence is to betray your lack of understanding about anything concerning human history and to continue to live in the playhouse you built as a child.

    Liberty is sacred. It is worth dying for. Millions have died for Liberty. To toss dignity to the side is infinitely beyond vile. It is a rape of the human soul.
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  14. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Old Geezer,

    Yet, sometimes central goals are forced into being by the circumstances of acquiring wealth, inter alia, amongst other things.

    One of the first examples is the railroads and the Pullman strike. In 1894, the the American Railway Union, the right reverend Eugene V. Debs presiding, went on strike. The US mail, besides much else, coupled (a pun ?!) into this strike.

    Closley related to the start of national labor unions involving a ntional "workplace" - the railroads with tracks across the fruited plain, was immigration. The Great War, Part I, stalled the slowdown of immigration. Soon after, the Europeans placed large orders for supplies creating labor shortages and demands for more labor. The situation got worse when His Majesty, Woodrow Wilson, removed over 1 million workers via a pending draft to prep for war "over there".

    When the USG took over the railroads in 1918, a national workforce and continental "workplace" was clearly visible.

    Later, the entry of women into the labor force, meant big central government for all these labor movements. The initial event getting women into the workforce was a decision by the Supremes in re an Oregon law. The proverbial state was set for a national labor force with the eastern terminue being the big eastern cities.

    In more recent times, labor shortages indirectly generated the need for more immigrants. We now have a large new population of immigrant labor with much less use of liberty. It's an abstration at best.

    Of course problems are here and more pending.

    No great solutions can be banged out of this new-fangled telegraph key.
     
  15. TMT Tactical

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    First understand NOTHING provided by the government is free. A tax payer is paying for all the "FREE" stuff. Second who decides what is a human right? The only human rights anybody has, is a right that is enforced by either armed agencies of the government or armed people. All so called "Human Rights" are just wishful thinking --- talking head points of view. Ask the 6 million plus Jewish people murdered in Germany about their "Human Rights". The government should not be entitled to spend tax payer money supporting folks. The tax payer should determine if they want to support any folks, in any form. Get the government out of the Charity business and allow the tax payer to decide whom or what they wish to support. The "Free" educational money should be attached to the child, not the public education system. Then the parents get to pick the best learning opportunity for the child. Now to morals. Accepted moral standards depends on the outlook of the person doing the judging. To the cannibal, "Long Pork" is a proper meal. I did not know you were granted the right to speak for "MOST" of the Europeans. I must have missed that news announcement.
     
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  16. Old Geezer

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    Yes. A community cannot protect idiots from themselves. Liberty means that you have the right to destroy yourself and die.

    Religious organizations and philanthropists have in centuries past supported regular clinics and hospitals for the mentally disabled. Historically ALL physicians and attorneys have done, at minimum, 10% of their case load, pro-bono. For physicians, this was like taking the Hippocratic Oath -- you did this or were considered a moral inferior. Sigmund Freud treated 10% of his patients for free.

    Private hospitals together with medical insurance companies can work together to create monetary pools whose purpose is to make up for monies that cannot be paid otherwise. Conservatives wish to break-down interstate barriers that currently block this. A physician from Ukraine once told me that she would leave medical practice if the United States adopted socialized medicine.

    My donations go to the Salvation Army. They are very lean when it comes to administration. Red Cross administrators make six figures and there are FAR too many administrators within the Red Cross.

    In NYC, Catholic parochial schools had administration percentages -- number of administrators per 1000 students -- that were in the area of 15% the percentage seen in government schools; government anything ends up mind-numbingly wasteful.
     
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  17. Max rigger

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    I agree, I've all the time in the world for peaceful protests but no time at all for when they turn nasty, I would be extremely harsh on all those taking part.
     
  18. lonewolf

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    most of the recent protests have been taken over by anarchists and marxists.
    seems they cant make their point without tearing something down or setting fire to it.
     
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  19. Max rigger

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    Hardly hedonistic is it. Where do you draw the line, out of work person goes to local park and falls off a swing breaking their leg , should they be denied free health care for indulging in a leisure 'hedonistic' activity? Course not.

    We now have a whole strata of society who can't work, lack of education, lack of jobs, no needed skills...no jobs they can have, thats a fact, we have a surplus of people who will never be able to fully fund their lives. Let the sociologists sort that mess out but in the meantime we have no choice other than to fund them to some degree or another, provide healthcare, provide education, provide social housing and hope this better qualifies them and their children in becoming future taxpayers and not taxtakers.
     
  20. watcherchris

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    I like that system...of Ishmaelite bondage.....some people have to work and pay twice or more to keep others in freebees....

    They have to work to keep themselves and their families in goods and services...and work extra and in addition to keep others in goods and services.....sounds fair to me. Sounds like Social Justice.

    What is totally avoided in such conversations and or debate points is that people in doing work....also take "Risks " for their sustenance....and this part of the conversation is totally avoided by leadership pimping out social justice for votes on someone else's labors/Risk Taking.

    You gotta be educated via television and or movies.....emotions...not thinking to get this naturally stupid....

    Under such devout and religious social dogmas...it is moral and ethical to have one group work and take Risks in their labors to get freebees for others who get it without work and risks.

    This is the Right these social justice people will not mention.....the right to have freebees and get someone else to work and risk twice or more so that they can get it for free...and even for a lifetime of freebees.....many of them never do become taxpayers ....just milk the system.

    What this kind of system becomes is a huge vote buying scheme for certain leadership...because such wealth Redistribution is not Risk Redistribution.

    Over time it will only mean more taxes and Risks for those who will work...and the freebee side of the equation takes over..or the government continues to print more inflated/depreciated monies to overcome the shortfall in revenue.


    There is no free lunch.

    Wealth Redistribution is not Risk Redistribution....it will eventually become musical chairs...


    Watcherchris
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    Ok....ok......................ok.....here is the question going begging here ...as no one seems want to ask....in view of such touchy feely .....feel goodisms....

    by Max Rigger..

    Now for the question no one wants asked except by those who must needs work/take Risks to finance/pay for these freebees for others....

    The question is of morality since so many want to hide their involuntary servitude behind the high and lofty walls of morality.

    Is it moral to have some work twice or more to finance/pay for freebees or the rights of others...who get it for free...without Risk when the ones who work/pay for it....do so with RISKS taken.

    It is moral to have some in involuntary servitude and or RISKS so that others can get freebees.??

    Social Justice becomes a joke once this kind of question is brought to the forefront.

    Perhaps some will understand why the left and the Media do not want this question ever to come up......and hide it behind "Victimhood and or Emotions accompanying victimhood."

    Who is in fact the victim here....the ones getting freebees or the ones having to work twice or more for the freebees of others..the ones having to take RISKS for the whole program...???

    Someone is putting the cart in front of the horse here and trying to make it normal...even moral.


    What is the other name for "Involuntary Servitude??"

    It is slavery.


    Remember the Brits gave up slavery back in the 1830s......did they?????


    Read Amendment 13 to the Constitution of the United States...


    Ishmaelites run wild....


    If Trump succeeds in a 2nd term and begins to further abolish the Federal Reserve system the money limits will begin to show up on the Central Government...fiscal limits...and the government cannot continue to give away freebees for votes....and pay for it...

    The government cannot continue with these vote buying programs....Limited Government. Imagine that..

    A fiscally responsible government is an economically limited government....imagine that."?? What ....we cannot have that ...not possible..not allowed...a fiscally responsible. fiscally limited government...why that is blasphemy......Idolitry...whoredom!!!

    Mayhap some can understand why Trump is so hated and or despised by people in both political parties dependent on these indentured servant programs to buy up votes.....on both the left and right...


    Ishmaelites run wild...

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris

    My non Ishmaelite .02
     
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  22. Max rigger

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    But what do you do Chris when you have a core of people without work, where there is simply no jobs for them and this is to a degree what we face now. You can't turn your back and shout 'get a job' when there are no jobs. We have people with education and with skills who are out of work and there will be tens of thousands more in the coming months and they won't be able to work, what do you do then, deny them free universal healthcare ? Deny their children free education? Let them suffer?

    I'm lucky, very well paid work for me is a phone call away, not many people have that cushion in life and I'd not be much of a man if I turned my back on my fellow men and women in the days ahead.
     
  23. watcherchris

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    Max.....do you listen to yourself....do you even listen to how you justify never ending indentured servitude...slavery..

    Your logical reasonable justifiable solution is to work he crap out of the rest of those working and paying taxes even more.

    You have to be educated to become so stupid...

    You are admitting that your system is collapsing....and so collapse it even faster...Wow!!!

    And then ...your government is so dirt stupid...they bring in even more people to put on the public breast...and put the taxpayer into even more indentured servitude...with no solution in sight..

    You Brits are so stupid...many of you wanted this same insane system here in America and put even illegals on the public breast.....even through college levels..so as to not only subsidize these illegals but subsidize the colleges as well.

    One thing it certainly will do Max..is buy votes..the very thing leadership and their pimping news media will avoid at all costs.

    I genuinely believe that many of you think no one sees what you do.


    Please give me the citation ..the number in the codes at law wherein it states it is moral and ethical to put some who work into more and more constant indentured servitude for freebees for those who do not work.

    Please give me the citation at law..which says it is moral and ethical to make one group expendable and disposable so others can get life for free?? Do you have that citation for me Max???

    We are not British here..we are not subjects....

    Some of us can think this insanity through for ourselves....and we know this phony system will collapse soon enough....when you put enough freeloaders on it.

    Here in America this was called the Cloward /Piven system ....

    Europe is already collapsing under such economic loads....of constant freebees..

    In many countries they are putting their own people in second , third, and fourth place o accommodate all these new people on the government breast...government wealth redistribution...

    And much of this is being hidden from us by our own American Phony news media..


    Our own President had the foresight to stop the flow of Illegals down to a minimum...so as not to overload the freebees at taxpayer expense.

    And also trying to promote job growth here in this country.


    People are leaving their countries because their economies do not work well and going to countries wherein the economies work better....and also the give away programs are better than in their own country..

    I don't need a rocket science degree to figure this one out.

    Many wanted to leave France for the UK because the give away programs in the UK are better than in France.

    There are nations in Europe which are revolting against this insanity....and this too is being kept mostly out of our news here in the states...

    Where does it say it is more moral and ethical to put some into more indentured servitude/more disposability and expendability ...for freebees for others....without work and without risks????

    Please give me that citation at law??? The citation which says it is better, more moral and ethical, to put working people into more Ishmaelite bondage....expendability and disposability...like a disposable lighter.... to pay for freebees for others...at ever increasing and exponential rates???...


    Watcherchris
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  25. varuna

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    Although that may be the case in mainland Europe and Asia in general (dunno with the situation in UK), in current day US landscape both left & right are just two side of the same coin
     
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    Does anyone here effected by this forest fire? If so what is the current condition on the ground? :confused: I can only see from satellite feed (as in from space) So I can only see particulate matter and atmospheric gases which may or may not reflect what happen on the ground.
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    Social welfare states are already bankrupting Western nations. The Euro is finished -- German and British economies can't keep propping up Spain, Italy, and Greece; the banks of those countries are totally bankrupt. Debts in countries that are "healthy" are heading over yearly GDP. Game over.

    I would sort of like to see the social welfare states expand. This way there will be a quicker total crash.

    With what does Big Brother pay physicians, soldiers, police, welfare recipients, the retired government workers when all currencies are hyperinflated out of existence?! Physicians and those in uniform, have their own friends and families to look after. In a crash, they will take barter -- that is the ones who continue these careers.

    The coming world economic collapse is going to be unique in that the world's population is massively beyond the carrying capacity of the land on which they live. The USA has been the breadbasket of the world, but that will end instantly when all fiat currencies tank. Many urbanites have never grown their own food nor hunted their own food. Some countries in Europe MUST import food due to overpopulation. Here's a scary reality, high percentages of modern day populations have ZERO marketable skills post SHTF. People who engage in work that is dependent on web activity, dependency on computers, dependent on a service economy will all be out of work. In some countries, very few, urban folk can return to the agricultural land belonging to their families -- this isn't enough to even dent the economic catastrophes coming for their countries.

    Due to dependency-think, people cannot get it through their heads just how horrific will be the years ahead. People pretend that things are going to keep on going on. That is why we preppers have forums like this one. We are all mature enough to know about and prepare for the MASSIVE human die-offs that are coming. We debate whether the numbers dead will be in the hundreds of millions or in the billions. The people who think we are crazy will likely be dead within the next five years.
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  28. Max rigger

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    @Chris
    "Please give me that citation at law??? The citation which says it is better, more moral and ethical, to put working people into more Ishmaelite bondage....expendability and disposability...like a disposable lighter.... to pay for freebees for others...at ever increasing and exponential rates???..."

    Do you need a law to do the right thing for your fellow human beings? I think not but if needing to be told how to care (or not care) for others legitimises in your mind your isolation from others then OK, its your way of dealing with truth and your actions.
     
  29. lonewolf

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    we have all seen how things are going, not just in the US or even the UK, but Europe too and all around the world. overpopulation is a serious problem as is climate change, and many things will come to a head in the next few years, maybe there will be a second and third wave of covid-19 who knows, we are probably already in a SHTF situation but dont know it yet, from a health and economy point of view I think that is probably correct. I think the EU will probably collapse without the financial input from the UK, Germany will have to fund more and they wont like that, many of the smaller poorer countries are in recession already.
    then of course we have the US elections coming up, who ever wins there will be protests and riots and looting and violence.
    as many keep saying, we live in "interesting " times.
     
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  30. watcherchris

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    Max....

    You are not a good salesman...nor a good politician...

    Thinking people know that charity is not government enforced...otherwise it is not charity...which is why I asked for the citation.


    Money and labor are property . In this country there are numerous precedent law cases on the books to demonstrate this principle in operation.

    This government has no such clause in it's charter to be in the charity business..it is not in there.

    Milking the system of public funds to buy votes for a certain political system at work is not charity....nor it is the right thing.


    I am not speaking against charity here....but government here is not chartered to be in the charity business for votes..

    Thinking people know this.....emotional people do not.

    Emotional people are more than willing to put others into bondage and involuntary servitude without limits to feel good about themselves and also herd others into the same mix......but............never will they attempt......ever...to make the association with involuntary servitude...or bondage or slavery.


    And then Max....government is stupid enough to want to bring in more people and put them on the public breast necessitating more give aways for votes on the same public breast.



    The question needing to be asked and brought to the forefront and yet totally avoided with the olde bait and switch.....Max......is.................


    It is moral and ethical to make some people disposable and expendable to insure goodies for others for free.???

    Is it moral and ethical to put some people who work ...more and more into involuntary servitude, economic bondage, and or slavery to get goods and services for others for free...and without risks for the people getting it for free....while the workers get more and more into risks, bondage and servitude/slavery to keep this system going??


    That ...Max is the question....Not the one you are posting because there is no end in sight for what is going on.

    All I need to do is look at what happened in 'Greece to see the end...game...Max..

    Other nations are following suit..



    Years ago Max...after a hurricane ...I was the only one here in this immediate neighborhood who had a generator..a small generator...4000 watts.

    After a hurricane ....I offered one leg of my generator to my neighbor to power his needs....and I took the other leg....

    I very quickly noted that the generator was being overun..overloaded. I unplugged the neighbor and the generator resumed normal loading.

    It seems the neighbors woman wanted the Air Conditioner to work.,...not the refrigerator or freezer..food stores preserved.....she was more worried about immediate comfort than survival..

    In conversation with my friend across the river via two way radio.....he had a similar experience. He loaned one leg out to his immediate neighbor .....and soon enough his generator began overloading....

    Upon inspection ...he found that someone several houses down had hooked up a line to his generator without asking...and was quickly overloading the limits on said generator. He unplugged the entitlement minded person.


    This max is what charity can do amongst people who have no concept of how and what it takes to get and keep a system going but they know all the sports statistics and what is on television..

    They can prepare for tonight's television program or sports event ..but not for hard times. Extreme to them is the car is not working or the television not working.

    These people would have damaged our generators and all of us would be in the same boat Max...without electricity.

    This was an important life lesson for me.. I decide to whom and why I will give charity....with my labors, monies, and risks taken.

    Government Max...is so stupid and ignorant they would take my generator from me who labored earned and positioned it for my use and give it to someone for free ..without work and without risks...leaving me with nothing...


    This is how an Ishmaelite works....to put others into bondage with their own labors and Risks taken in labors.



    You tend Max to think that people do not notice what you are doing and proposing.

    Work the crap out of people who can and have them take more and more risks out of life for people who cannot or will not work....and call this doing the right thing.
    And this Max..with no end in sight.

    You're going to need more practice Max....


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    You need to enter politics Chris, your full of the stuff the job needs mate :)
     
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    personal abuse will not be tolerated on this forum, I would ask ALL member to keep their posts general in tone and refrain from making ANY personal remarks.
    failure to do so will result in posts deleted and warnings issued.
     
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    I'm a moderate...That means that I piss off EVERYBODY!!! I, in general, hate both parties and their cast in stone platforms about equally. Democrats??? Republicans???? Whatever happened to being an AMERICAN???
     
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    Agree 100%

    Dale
     
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    Noted Democrat FDR said that if a person were on social assistance more that three years, the system had failed. All FDR wanted to do is give a down-on-their luck person a temporary job until he got back on his feet.

    Noted Democrat Harry Truman was far to the Right of any Newt Gingrich. When the unionized railroad workers went on strike, shutting the country down (all heavy cargo went by rail, which is smart), Harry replaced them with Army troops. "Give'em hell Harry" was not a man with whom one trifled.

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/...ders-army-to-seize-control-of-railroads-1950/

    The Anti-Christ's legion soldier LBJ was the beginning of the end of America.

    Back in the day when America was populated with true men and women (not adolescents and hand-wringers), Democrats were loyal to the U.S. Constitution ... and rational thinking in general. Not so today.

    Luke chapter 8:

    Words of The Christ

    5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

    6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

    7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

    8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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    1st Corinthians, Chapter 3:

    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

    19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

    20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

    21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

    22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;

    23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
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    Sorry Max..but this was covered in my previous post....

    Or Independent thinking and actions....not herding.

    I am watching this same circus being done in our Supreme Court vacancy....same olde circus...but clear to some of us as to what positions are being avoided so as to steer uninformed emotional based public opinion....
    Not for me thanks.

    It is important in many social systems today that the public be steered...particularly via unguarded emotions.


    Preppers do not necessarily fit this mold....being more independent minded.....and much of prepping requires one to discipline ones emotions..not cater to them.
    Prepping can be a lot of postponed gratification.....not emotional instant gratification.
    You only know for sure if you have done well in SHTF or worse...

    Preppers are also often aware of people trying to herd them ....and many tend to be...again...Independent...not necessarily looking to join others..

    Preppers also tend not to be impressed with politics and politicians..because it is Herding.


    And thank you lonewolf.


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    by Dalewick.....

    Wow!!!!!!!!!

    Darned right Dalewick...what is the law or citation at law which says we need to be Republicans or Democrats.....by default....not for me thanks.



    And again by Texdanm..

    I don't know about moderate...but I am a conservative and want to mostly be left alone to go my own way. I am not interested in being herded by both phony political parties...and have no faith in the Republicans.

    The Republicans are to me Democrat Lite.

    But...great posts Gentlemen....great posts...thank you...


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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...aten-burn-home-down-displaying-american-flag/

    "Protesters in Portland, many of whom have taken their activism to residential areas of the city, threatened to burn down a home for displaying an American flag.

    "The city has experienced well over 100 days of protests, and in that time demonstrators have moved into residential areas of Portland. Terrance Moses, a black veteran who runs a nonprofit in Portland, said he observed protesters marching in the streets of his neighborhood. However, the demonstration took a turn after activists noticed an American flag displayed on one of the homes.

    “'It went from a peaceful march, calling out the names, to all of a sudden, bang, ‘How dare you fly the American flag?’ Moses said, according to the New York Times. “They said take it down. They wouldn’t leave. They said they’re going to come back and burn the house down.”

    “'We don’t go around terrorizing folks to try and force them to do something they don’t want to do,' he added. 'I’m a veteran. I’m for these liberties.'

    "The couple that displayed the American flag on their Kenton-area home said they were 'fearful of retaliation from the roving protesters, who had found their phone number,' according to the Times. Despite that, they are refusing to take down the American flag.

    “'I will not take my flag down,' the man said.

    "According to the Times, demonstrators also took their protest to the area’s commercial district and set fires, which residents put out themselves:

    "The same night the protesters came to the couple’s door last month, they marched into Kenton’s commercial district and used restaurant picnic tables as fuel for fires. They collected the colorful wooden dividers the neighbors had recently built for outdoor dining and set those ablaze as well. Mr. Moses and others in the community ran into the protests with fire extinguishers.

    "Protesters that night broke into the Portland Police Association building and set it on fire. A man was later seen scrubbing the sidewalk graffiti — a popular message was “PPB = KKK,” meaning that the Portland Police Bureau is the Ku Klux Klan.

    "While establishment media organizations and progressive lawmakers have been slow to report that extremist factions comprise many of the protests in Portland, the Times admitted that the demonstrators are 'splintered in Portland between more mainstream Black Lives Matter marches and the more aggressive, sometimes chaotic antifa or black bloc protests.'”
     
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    "Seattle BLM protesters demand white people ‘give up’ their homes"

     
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    yeah right, like thats ever going to happen!:rolleyes:
     
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    Arent they doing that in Sweden to people who own more than one home....making them give up their home to newly arrived immigrant populations.?? No Private Property.

    This coming war with these socialist/marxists...will be against private property...not against property per se..but the privateness of it. We are already seeing this take place in the neighborhoods with this flag debacle.....trying to bully and coerce people and their property....burning furniture from restaurants....no privateness of property recognized...right down to ones person.

    This is what such two legged wildlife does....naturally.....by brainwashing...by eating the propaganda...emoting and not thinking...


    Speaking of emoting...Max....and not thinking...reacting ...not thinking..drama queens...here...

    I thought of you immediately when I found this...very appropriate as per our previous conversations.

    Remember as you watch this......you are looking at todays as well as tomorrows leadership material..

    Warning ....colourful language warning...




    Ishmaelites run wild..

    Is this what one form of hell looks like when someone does not get their way or default through on other peoples risk taking??
    Does this female look like the kind of person who will be taking risks with her person to keep the social, economic, political system going or will she come in after the risks are already taken and set up shop????
    Remember ...she is driving someone else's car!!!

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    Dunno mate, I'm not in Sweden.
    dosent sound like their principal home though, maybe a rental property or holiday home.
    And I'm not Max.
     
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    Agree lonewolf....most of them it was not their principal home....but vacation homes....as I recall.

    Nonetheless ...it was someone's property earned and paid for....

    In America all peoples property is considered private property..


    Yes...I am aware that you are not Max..but posted that to Max Rigger nonetheless....to remind him how overly emotional and out of control for basic knowledge and understandings /civilities some people have become today.

    How someone is trying to inject this into our lives as the new normal....it is not. It is two legged wildlife..Ishmaelites.



    Thanks,
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    No, people have been asked if they WANT TO allow second homes to be used as temporary accommodation, no requirement to do so, its voluntary.
     
  47. Old Geezer

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    Boston Marathon bombing; the 1.5 terrorists (one a soldier the other a wanna-be terror terrier, the soldier's younger brother) built and set off a pressure cooker bomb. Boston soils its nappies. For one and a half "men", Boston shut down. There is "pathetic" and then there is that. Police force people out of their homes with their hands locked behind their heads -- and they comply ... because they are afraid.

    In the South, there would have been the giddiness of deer season having just opened. Instead of antlers, they'd have been going for ears. The former USA is now utterly infested with sheeple. The sheeple WILL abandon their homes.

    I am heartened, however, in that in response to the "peaceful protests" several millions of Americans went out and bought firearms. Without training, they may put a round in their foot, but maybe, just maybe, they'll be able to deal with the trash that could spilling down the streets attempting to sully their homes. The storm drains may or may not take care of the rivers of blood, but the slaughterhouses may get to go back into business.

    Ba! Ba-ha-ha-ha-ha! What's that sound?! Could that be sheeple I hear?!

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    Watcherchris, man to man, thank you for that video. The video captures the very essence of today's zeitgeist of zaniness. Watching that implosion somehow renewed some withered spiritual rose within my being. This most welcome breeze was the harbinger of happiness, the bearer of beatitudes.

    I think I'll do it! I think I'll do my happy dance!

    I'm not getting audio!!!!!????? Here is the link if the vid below has no audio:
    [www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aus1PA5-SyI]

     
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    by Max Rigger..

    Ok...good Max....thank you for that update...

    Glad to know that some countries have not totally fallen as of yet...in this area..

    Watcherchris
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