Urban Survival Pack

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  1. Dunmaghlas

    Dunmaghlas New Member
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    I'm about to buy a 3V Gear sling bag because I've heard good things about it and I can afford it. Anyone have any better ideas?
     
  2. Ystranc

    Ystranc Master Survivalist
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    Urban survival? How about a credit card and a bottle of Evian.
     
  3. lonewolf

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    I would have thought more like a debit card and some coins for small purchases.
    don't some places charge extra for small purchases if you use a credit card?
     
  4. Dunmaghlas

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    urban survival is more important than you might think, especially since where I live, theres nowhere but city for about a hundred miles. this was meant to be a serious post not "hey who out there wants to hate on urban survival?"
     
  5. lonewolf

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    then be more specific, what are your needs? are you bugging in or bugging out?
    we cant answer the question unless you set the perimeters.
     
  6. Ystranc

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    Not any more LW, at least not in the UK....it is seen as unfair business practice and is now against UK law...the shop can still refuse to take your card as a payment method though.
    My previous reply was intended to derogate the term "urban survival"
    There are plenty of things to think about regarding "urban survival" such as fire escapes, crime, situation awareness of civil unrest etc.....none of these require a military style back pack. In fact an army surplus pack or indeed anything else that makes you stand out from the crowd labels you as "not one of us" therefore either a threat or a victim.
     
  7. arctic bill

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    I bought a decent medium sized knapsack twenty ago and have used it hundreds time s on hunting fishing camping going to the beach , it is now to the point that i never unload it , when i come back from a trip i tosh the dirty clothes in the washer, and then once clean put back int the back. in the fall i add long johns and remove shorts ect, in the spring reverse the same. my advice is to buy something like this
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  8. lonewolf

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    quite right ystranc, anything even slightly military looking singles one out as being "different" to the usual herd and a possible victim.
    in cities one should try to look "grey" or at least the same as everyone else, so if they wear t shirt and jeans so do you.
    any camo should be hidden away and used when you get out into the countryside.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    that's a nice looking pack, bill.
     
  10. Ystranc

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    I can see the practicality of a backpack for the great outdoors bill but since the IS bomb attacks in London and Manchester rucksacks attract nothing but suspicion in UK cities.
     
  11. lonewolf

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    to be far he was using it on hunting fishing trips not in a city.
    I picked up a decent over the shoulder single strap bag, i'm not sure what it was used for-maybe a laptop bag-not sure. that would not attract so much interest as a back pack.
    if you've ever seen Neil Oliver on "Coast" he uses one exactly the same.
     
  12. Ystranc

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    It's not really much of an issue for me these days, I don't spend much time in urban areas anymore. I would avoid cities completely if I could.
     
  13. Ystranc

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    Dunmaghlas, can I ask what other people in your area use to carry their stuff around the city streets?.... What would do the job but blend in?
     
  14. lonewolf

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    I don't spent time in any urban areas the closest I come is car boot sales and they are usually in a field somewhere.
    I haven't been in a city for 20 years and avoid them like the plague.
     
  15. Old Geezer

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    If you are bugging-in during an urban SHTF situation, one of your big fears is going to be arson. Witness the London 2011 festivities. You are going to have to block Molotov cocktails by boarding up windows and having lots of fire extinguishers. You're going to have to kill some arsonists. I recommend shotguns loaded with slugs, maybe buckshot. Archery may get you somewhere. Archery is quiet; use broad-heads to cause catastrophic internal bleeding.

    Bugging out: Cars/trucks are likely to get stuck in traffic or can't go on due to bridges being clogged or out. Motorcycles may be a better alternative. Know that people are going to try to tear you off that bike with lethal force. If they do attempt to do you harm, shoot them. If you can't come by a legal handgun, then come by an illegal handgun. Hand-grenades are popular with gangs on your side of the Atlantic of late. Take some barter money with you. Silver coins would be good -- you may have to buy petrol.

    If possible, it would be wondrous to be able to get a vehicle out. Currency (gov. pretend money) may hold some value for a while, so take that, but have some real money with you: ammo, silver, canned goods, hurricane matches, strike-anywhere matches, cigarettes and liquor. You will own nothing if you are without weapons or friends with weapons. Forming a convoy of folk willing to fight (zero gag-reflex people) could be a winning plan.

    If bugging out, know where you are going. Make preparations. I know this is obvious, I just had to say it.

    Remember that if trying to survive in an urban setting, things can get hideous. Most looters are without courage -- kill a few and the rest may get religion and flee. However, there are monsters with skills; this can most assuredly happen. Some gangs possess thought and a tad of courage; rare, but you gotta plan for such. And this of course means guns, ammo, and fire-proofing your home or building.

    Here's a pleasant story. Guy told me he was living in L.A. 1992. The people in his apartment complex were civilized. The violence and chaos had gotten within a few blocks of them. Everybody was outside with BBQ grills (for camping). No electricity and who was going to enforce any "no open flames" laws?! Beer was everywhere and so were guns. They just figured that the looters would get to where they were, so they were going to eat, drink, be merry, then shoot into the savages when they got there. However, the rioting never got to their streets. This story brought a giant smile to my face.
     
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  16. Dunmaghlas

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    Sorry it took a while to respond, I was on vacation.
    Most people would probably just wear something like a laptop bag or knapsack.
    This is the bag I was looking at.
    3V Gear Shift Urban Sling Pack | 3V Gear
     
  17. Dunmaghlas

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    Bugging in. I'd probably get killed before I'm even able to get out, but I've done a bit of reading on what to do if you're stuck in the city.
    I already have a rucksack, but I'm gonna want something small or maybe medium for moving around. I was already aware that a military looking pack would be too obvious and already have a black military sling bag so I was looking at this bag.
    3V Gear Shift Urban Sling Pack | 3V Gear
    Mainly I just need something to carry my Kel-Tec | SUB-2000 if need be. I already have the sidearm covered but this bag should have more room.
     
  18. Dunmaghlas

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    I think I'll go with a Tactical Rem 380 with some homemade hollow point slugs :eek::eek::eek:
    All the friends I plan with are ex- Marines or SEALs. I know plenty of Marines and one of them went SEALs quite a few years back.
    Also, I'd probably be the one dropping molotovs from the roof at looters :mad:
     
  19. TexDanm

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    Bugging in if you are in a city has three MAJOR problems that you will have to figure some way to deal with. The first is going to be the fires as Old Geezer mentioned. The inner cities are GOING to burn. If you are in the suburbs you might be far enough out to make it through the fires. The second thing is going to be harder to avoid. When the water stops flowing the sewer systems stop. People will be throwing their waste out in the streets and in the ditches. It is just a matter of time before typhoid and a host of other diseases are going to run rampant. The third thing is that because you have so many thousands of people around you it will be inevitable that there will be problems with looters and just gangs looking to tear things up.

    The food and water problems are going to be there no matter where you are and probably won't be much better in the more rural areas at first when the people come flooding out of the cities and into the woods to play Daniel Boone. The looters and the fires will rage even there but with more room and fewer people to start with there will be a little better chance of hiding and avoiding some of it.

    There are not certainties. Do the best you can with the hand that you are dealt. Just the fact that you are thinking about it now makes your chances better.
     
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  20. Dunmaghlas

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    I'm in the subs so I might be good on that part.
    From what I've heard typhoid only enters through eating and drinking contaminated items. And kissing. Stay away from that during the apocalypse but after that, do whatever you want no one cares.
    And to the gang issue, play it like Home Alone but with hollow point slugs :eek::eek::eek:
     
  21. Dunmaghlas

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    To be clear, I am in Michigan, USA, and not the nice north and upper peninsula where I can avoid the city. If I could, I would but that'll be a bit of an issue.
     
  22. TexDanm

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    Typhoid will end up in all flowing water sources where people are near. Their waste will get thrown into the ditches and then washed from there into the creeks, streams and rivers. You will be at risk any time you come into contact with that water. Bathing, washing clothes and dishes will all put you at risk. Even a shallow water well can be a life saver.

    If you are in a fairly low area water can often be found at very shallow depths and dug with fairly simple tools. I helped a friend do a well in his backyard one time. We did it with a few pieces of pipe and a water hose.

    As for the bag question I like and carry a small messenger bag as a sort of possibles bag. It is a good place for all the smaller items that you might want for daily carry that is too big to fit in my pockets. I will carry my gun in a waste holster then spare magazines in the bag. I like it because it doesn't attract any attention like a backpack might under certain conditions.
     
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  23. lonewolf

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    you can buy various bags its all what you prefer.
    I have a single strap over shoulder messenger bag, not military looking, very drab sort of faded out khaki sort of colour, I have a larger one I bought at an outdoor car boot sale-you'd call it a flea market-I bought both for £1 each, very drab colour again. I don't think either of these would draw any attention.
     
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  24. Dunmaghlas

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    Good to know
     
  25. Dunmaghlas

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    Ha that explains all the boot sale stuff I've been hearing about. I'll check out a couple in my area.
     
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