Usa Civil War, Version 2.0

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Will the USA be at war before 2021?

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  1. Dalewick

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    Civil war for the USA before 2021? Yes or No?
     
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  2. TMT Tactical

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    No. The BLM / Antifa is like the ankle biting dog. Loud barking, nibbling and making a pest of it self but will not survive any encounters with real guard dogs. The ankle biter know that and will not confront the big dogs.
     
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  3. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Dale,

    My view: No.

    Team Trump is stretching out some of these events like the Seattle mob rule for election campaign matters.

    Once the election is over, there will be a cleansing action.

    It is still a volatile situation. Nothing is in a vacuum. The international scene could have a China-Taiwan confrontation 2 weeks prior to the election. Any deaths could/would influence the US election.
     
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  4. Morgan101

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    My gut says No. Cooler heads will prevail. There was talk about this Autonomous Free Zone crap happening in Memphis, I believe. Was it the Governor of TN or the mayor who said emphatically "NO WAY". Most sane people realize this is not the way to go. I would compare Seattle to Haight Ashbury in the 60's. A hippie haven that people will stay away from. The novelty will wear off, and the area will be ridden with crime. It will die it's own death.

    The November election may change things. If Biden wins Conservatives will piss and moan but there will be no violence. Maybe a resurgence in the Tea Party. If Trump wins there may be more violent protests, but not a civil war.
     
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  5. Sourdough

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    YES......we are currently in civil war/conflict. It just does not fit our classic concept of civil war. And as it escalates in intensity it will continue to not look like our concept of civil war. It will look like senseless destruction to the observer, including the victims.

    But it will not be senseless, it will be calculated sabotage. Example would be massive wildfires that destroy huge swaths. Covert guerrilla war not aimed at individuals, but at destruction of huge sections of enemy infrastructure (quality of life, and illusion of security).

    You don't openly fight unless caught in covert action. You destroy and demoralize the enemy by destroying his basic life needs, (Food, Shelter, Illusion of Security). Most of our supply systems are sitting ducks. Long Haul Trucking and Railroads, Local Power Grids, Regional Power Grids, Aviation, Etc..

    Open team firefights are silly in this civil war. Not that there will be none, just that it will be bad public relations for both sides. Better that both or many sides destroy the foundation of civil order. At some point (likely in fairly short time) many will surrender to a new system. And I have zero idea what that will look like, but it will be different, there will be clear winners, and clear pissed'off losers.

    My main point is if you are expecting a classic open clearly defined gunfights, with identifiable teams........it ain't likely in the current "Reset" and not just in America.

    The most shitty thing is you will not "Truly" know who your friends or enemies are. Just that everyday more stuff will be destroyed, and quality of life will get more and more sucky or fatal. But there will be "Reset". You can expect to not like the "Reset". Even if you are twenty times more prepared then you current are.

    We are all going to be losers, no winners this time. Not sure there really ever is in a civil war/conflict.
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    Remember that statement by a U.S. adversary - To attack the U.S. we would be looking at a armed citizen behind every blade of grass . That still holds true . One reason they took the approach they have to attack the U.S. . The Communist and Democrats are hoping to destroy the U.S. from using useful idiots within our own boarders to destroy the country . After the U.S. falls other countries will be more seriously targeted . Right now there is a probing action taking place in the U.K. . These whimpy but destructive communist do not want a head on gun battle but rather burn and loot one building or white owned home at a time with no government interference . They know with a presidential election only months away the president of the U.S. will not declare an all out shooting war on them . A lot of destruction can occur between now and the election . After the election - regardless how it turns out an all out shooting war may develop . So as for an all out armed shooting conflict , I think that will likely not happen in the year 2020 , but perhaps a few squrmishes . The year 2021 the potential of all out battles might issue , with the uprising being supplied with weaponry from a communist nation .
     
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  7. Duncan

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    I think that is about as accurate and well-put as any predictive post I've seen -- typical for our colleague Mr. Morgan101. I would add to that by saying:
    • Whichever faction wins the election, the other will cry foul, but to no avail.
    • If Trump loses the presidency, he will leave under his own power in January
    • There will be major changes regarding law enforcement in this country, but how long those changes will last is anyone's guess.
    • COVID-19 will be with us for a long time,although the news stories will die down and we will find something else to peg our worry-meter in 2021.
     
  8. Dalewick

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    Unfortunately, I believe your correct. I believe we will experience guerilla warfare on a wide spread basis but it won't appear as a war to the majority. ANTIFA and many other socialist groups have already declared war on the USA and other democratic countries. They are just using tactics that don't fit the traditional definition of warfare. I think it's kind of like the difference between war and combat. Young men die in both but you only get medals in a war.

    The leaders of these groups are receiving terrorist training from groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda on advanced tactis and bomb production. I guess the next several months will tell the tell.

    Dale
     
  9. poltiregist

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    So for Donald Trump has tried to remains neutral as possible with the communist uprising . The U.S. election votes will determine what transpires in 2021 . If the communist win the election they will suspend citizens legal rights and continue to seize control over the people . There might be an election in 2024 but it would be totally rigged as we see in a lot of communist countries . They will hunt down and kill or subjugate preppers / survivalist - likely by using our member list on this forum to gain information and ferret out their location . ---- If Republicans prevail in the upcoming election , they will likely use lethal force to squash the communist backed uprising . -- So if Donald Trump wins preppers in the U.S. will have military support or at least the government will step out of the way and let the milita take out the communist uprising . If the democrats / communist win they will use the military to disarm and subjugate the citizens
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    Again, it is my view that it will take a major collapse of the dollar to set off the line of dominoes.

    Covid 19 has been allowed to rape the U.S. economy. Many businesses will not be rebuilt. There are going to be permanent job losses. Worse yet, the Fed is now printing mountains of unbacked dollars in an attempt to Keynesian pump prime some sort of pretend economy into existence. The price of oil has tanked (excuse the pun), but that will not help businesses. American manufacturing has already been gutted.

    Covid 19 has worked for China, however in the long run, it will be a catastrophic bane to the Communist Party in China. China plans to take the South China Sea and is going aggressive in this pursuit. But what if other countries become industrial sources for America and Europe?! China is going to lose market at a rate that will damage their military. All industries in China are run by military generals. The core power structure of China is at risk. If this goes fulminatingly wrong for them, the odds that China will go hyper-aggressive goes up, up, up.

    Now add international military conflicts involving tremendous loss of life to the economic atmosphere of a world teetering in its attempts to remain upright during "good times". The utterly bankrupt nations of Greece, Italy, and Spain are kept standing by Germany who is angry with England for wanting out of the European debacle. American banks haven't the real value assets to stay alive -- they require pretend money infusions.

    The world is unstable. It will let go. A reticular civil war in the U.S. will occur. There will be international wars and international currencies going down the drain one after the other.

    How long can the plate-spinning go on? Who knows? Each year sees more and more plates added to the circus spectacle. Only thing we can do is prepare for the absolute certainty that hell is coming.
     
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  11. poltiregist

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    Some of my group " 4 adults " just finished up a meeting . One of the topics - setting up a barricade of dirt filled tires , razor wire and kill zone . We are not ready to implement this action YET but have our razor wire and tires on standby . --- One potential scenario we discussed , as these democrat strongholds abolish law enforcement and turn to anarchy their place of adobe will collapse from not any businesses or food . The rural areas may see a road warrior type scenario of very large hoards of hungry democrats descending upon the rural areas for rape and pillaging .
     
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  12. Old Geezer

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    If the pillaging happens, it will not last long. Over two decades ago, I saw people using two-wheel dollies to roll cases (not boxes), cases, of ammo out of gun shows. And some folk are putting back fully automatic weapons; a former math professor of mine had an armory in his basement complete with the full-auto toys (he has now passed away, may God's Mercy be upon him; he was a true Patriot); an engineering co-worker of mine had firearm manufacturing equipment in his basement, but at the time was only making reproductions of rifles of the 1870's. There are hundreds of millions / billions of rounds of ammo in storage for the coming SHTF.

    The overwhelming majority of "assault rifle" owners are military, ex-military, cops, and former cops. Notice that around this nation, police are resigning their positions in departments dealing with urban issues. If the Left comes to power, they may not have the support of the real fighting forces. Yes, there are traitors in high ranking positions, however the brass and men of the actual forces who kill our enemies and destroy our enemies' infrastructure are conservative. They will only fight for the Constitution, not for liberal wimps and Leftist traitors.

    If lower-order people spill into my neck of the woods, they will be slaughtered.

    It takes some doing, but when European blood is finally invoked, there comes to Earth holocausts. When white folk get into full-fury mode, beware. See the thousands of armed protesters on the steps of Virginia government buildings when gun bans were announced? That was just an itty-bitty blip of festivities to come.
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  13. Old Geezer

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    To new firearms owners and to those contemplating the purchase of a firearm:

    There are hundreds of firearms dealers in the United States. Most carry used firearms. If you are new to the self-defense world -- maybe society is beginning to collapse uncomfortably close to your neighborhood -- and you are wishing to arm yourself, a used shotgun may be the ticket. If chaos does NOT appear, then learning to shoot skeet, shoot trap, can be super fun. There are lots of skeet shooting ranges in America. Get out there to practice and to have fun busting clays.

    Here is but one link to a dealer who sells trade-in shotguns: https://www.gunauction.com/shop/shotguns-for-sale/pump-action/nra-used-grades/page-1

    Multiply this guy by a thousand. If the gun dealer near you hasn't a used pump shotgun that feels good in your hands, know that your dealer holds a FFL, federal firearms license, and can order what you need from another dealer.

    If your shotgun does not have a short barrel, then you can order such a barrel. Used shotgun barrels are available online. If a shotgun is a popular model made by a well-known manufacturer, then the odds of getting the exact barrel you wish goes way up.

    Let's say that you are sensitive to recoil. A 20 gauge is perfectly adequate for home defense, small game hunting, and skeet-shooting. If you are a person who is not tall and whose arm length is not long (me, I have wide shoulders and condor wing-length arms) there are "youth model" shotguns to accommodate. God makes people in all shapes and sizes (shorter-than-average folk have a tendency to live longer, the heart doesn't have to pump blood out into a massive tree).

    Take your questions to your firearms dealer. Shop at multiple stores and get information from numerous sources. Buy what feels good for you. Remember that handguns are pop-guns compared to shotguns. A small game shotgun load out of the "little" 20 gauge packs more energy than the .44 mag. handgun (Dirty Harry's carry).

    If it has come time to arm yourself, it is your right as an American, as a creation of God, to arm against chaos.

    Be extraordinarily responsible in your decision. Safety is as important as when using a chain saw or other power equipment. Trigger locks are available for firearms as are gun safes -- I use my gun safes for more than just locking up my firearms. If you buy a fire safe, you can store your important paperwork and family heirlooms therein.
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  14. Dalewick

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    bump
     
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  15. varuna

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    There can be any war when one side has millions of armed men, and the other can't even decide which restroom to use
     
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  16. Dalewick

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    Varuna, This won't be a conventional type war I believe. It will be a form of guerilla warfare in which groups like ANTIFA continue to incite civil unrest, rioting and looting. All in an effort to destabilize the government and lower peoples faith and belief that the government can keep them safe. Terrorist tactics have been used in many places to destabilize governments. I doubt many will even recognize it as a war until the US Constitution is repealed for a more "modern" government.

    Dale
     
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    One thing the suburbanites are going to notice is that when the police get de-funded / "re-organized", the rate of burglaries and home invasions will go up.

    https://abc13.com/archive/7898314/

    https://www.talkmurderwithme.com/blog/2019/5/1/cheshire-home-invasion-murders

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news...nda-blackburn-homicide-what-we-know/75997642/

    Husband forgives murderers. I don't. God won't.

    https://realitywives.net/blogs/two-men-arrested-for-amanda-blackburns-murder/

    Mother & daughter raped and murdered. No one to protect them. Suspect hated owner of house, had been fired, now angry, takes anger out on wife and daughter. Zero courage on the part of this monster -- could have just beaten up his former boss. Women had no carry permit; came home, opened garage door, that's when the animal attacked. I know about this story; you'll not find the photos and it is a good thing that you will not. Basement was a gore-fest. He finished them off by crushing their skulls with a cinder-block. Sub-human behavior made manifest. Brings up the issue of how white farmers in South Africa are tortured/raped to death.

    https://timothylindemann.wordpress....urders-robs-and-rapes-marylyn-and-kelley-erb/
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  19. Old Geezer

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    "Poll: 79 Percent of Truckers Say They Won’t Deliver to Cities with Defunded Police Departments"

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/202...t-deliver-cities-defunded-police-departments/

    (... speaking of Reginald Denny, truck driver, victim of vermin.)

    Let the urban lemmings starve.

    If they come to take our food, then I think we all know what will happen to them. And our sheriffs will support us. Our sheriffs will deputize us. As far as the socialists sending in the National Guard goes, who do these Leftist anti-Americans believe compose National Guard units?! Is the lemming Left beyond stupid or what?!!!
     
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  20. varuna

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    Using US DOD terminology, what you were referring is also called Multi-Domain Operation. Is more about shaping perspective rather than shooting (or blowing up) anything. And rioting, looting can be considered as part of it (Cross-Domain Operation). And TBH I think you American conservative folk are seriously ill prepared to fought it. IF you want to winning the war, you guys better adapt your methods & approach of conducting warfare as a whole. More importantly is HOW you see the battlespace which is no longer 3D.
     
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  21. Alaskajohn

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    This is my thoughts exactly. No one will win when our country collapses.

    I keep hankering back on the PSL narratives from the late 1970/early 1980s of how this would all play out. He just missed the timing by a decade or so.
     
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  22. Old Geezer

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    Well, what is it then that Billy Blake would have to say? Wait, ...., patience, ..., I hear something. Billy, is that you?!

    "I was angry with my friend:
    I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
    I was angry with my foe:
    I told it not, my wrath did grow.

    "And I watered it in fears
    Night and morning with my tears,
    And I sunned it with smiles
    And with soft deceitful wiles.

    "And it grew both day and night,
    Till it bore an apple bright,
    And my foe beheld it shine,
    And he knew that it was mine,--

    "And into my garden stole
    When the night had veiled the pole;
    In the morning, glad, I see
    My foe outstretched beneath the tree.
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    Brother, you continue to surprise me. I tend to not use DOD terms because very few know what they mean. Yes I know the US is ill prepared for such a war and I honestly believe most will not see this as a form of warfare until we have lost. I don't know how to explain what's going on to nonmilitary personnel to get them to understand, this is a war and the stakes are extremely high. Any ideas?

    Dale
     
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    For individual level only this, which I believe most people tend to forgo

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    For more collective efforts, I highly recommended to familiarize with HOW social medias platforms such as Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc works under the hood, and more importantly HOW they make $ from civil strife across the globe.

    IF you truly wanna fought any war you better know HOW the other side are thinking & conducting their war effort.
     
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  25. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    It's a good chart but just an enlarged summary of:

    "Kto Kogo?" Who, whom ?

    This was the Bolshevist principle / slogan established by Lenin in 1921.

    "The whole question is - who will overtake whom ?"

    The US is already fighting; it's internal to the US and can, legitimately enough, be called an insurrection.
     
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    A good list to be sure, albeit a little lengthy especially if you want to commit to memory. Good questions to ask.

    I would add Thomas Sowell's three questions when debating an issue. 1.) What hard evidence do you have supporting your argument? 2.) What is your alternative? 3.) At what cost?
     
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  27. Dalewick

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    I like your chart. What I was referring to is how to influence people that aren't of a mind set to see what is really happening. I find that people who are military/veterans understand what is happening and are either for it or against it (Most are against) and people that are of the prepper/survivalist mindset also comprehend what is happening (for the better part).
    The majority of the population here in the states either can't or don't want to understand that what is happening is domestic warfare. They either stack up on the side of it's just young criminals acting out or it's people fighting for fairer treatment (which I don't understand that view).
    How do you communicate a danger to people that refuse to see danger. If it's a gun pointed at them or a major "inconvenience" in there lives, there willing to try and understand. As it is, they aren't willing to even listen.

    The sword of Damocles hangs over there heads, but they are oblivious.

    It comes across to me as the same mentality as say, native Africans walking to the river to get water in the same spot there neighbor got ate by a crocodile, YESTERDAY.

    A survival mechanism in the human psyche is all I can figure out.

    Dale
     
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  28. Old Geezer

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    Civil War / Race War

    This 92 yr old woman was guilty of being white and got what she deserved ... according to the New World Order rules.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/man-knocks-down-elderly-woman-in-random-nyc-attack/



    Note the words that the politically correct reporter uses to describe the above incident.
    "this happens time to time"
    The guy just "shoved her". Note that she was shoved, NOT punched in the head.


    White woman in wheelchair attacks and tries to stab peaceful protesters! This isn't self-defense. This is another instance of old white people out of control.

    https://www.insider.com/target-whee...s-gypsy-rose-twitter-fire-extinguisher-2020-5
     
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    That depend solely on the culture of the targeted audience. For culture such as mine, who are visually driven, narrative (words) rarely matter to us compare to visual (video these days)

    Other than something that is in par with combat desensitization drill, you can't. The only way is for them to actually felt it for real and surviving it one way or another.
     
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    You know what they said about lightning wont strike the same spot twice
     
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  32. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Sourdough,

    Had just spent nearly a half hour at that site.

    Expected to see pictures of Win Model 94 carbines from the "Old West".

    Militias are unlawful in Virginia. What Tazewell County, Virginia Appalachia did was symbolic. They did form something though. It was some folks dressed in colonial type clothes as militias did until National Guard replaced 'em.

    The problem here and throughout the fruited plain ... with full credit to TexDanm for introducing this ... is that too many people do not participate in local and area government volunteer work. This is the real grass roots need.
     
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    Couldn't resist posting this. LOL!

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    Dale
     
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    I kind of hope so at this point that may be the only way that we will ever truly have peace again. I watched the guy that heads the Black Lives Matter movement today threaten that if they didn't get what they wanted that they would burn this place down. GO FOR IT MY FRIEND. You evidently are unaware that the black population of the US over the age of 18 is only about 13% of the American population. YES, they have infested the big megacities and get lots of TV time but the FACT is that the rest of America is MASSIVELY armed and will crush you like a roach.

    This will little effect the good Americans that are black. In Texas other than in Houston we tend more than anything else to be just Texans and not put so much emphasis on black white or brown. But if they try to take the cities and then spread the trash that is doing all of this will be dead and gone in less than a week. Most American States have a standing armed civilian population ready to go if you attack them that is larger than most nations' militaries.

    We have been kissing ass and trying to get along for my entire life and no amount of ass-kissing has been enough. It is time to kick those asses instead of kissing them. That didn't work.

    The WOLF survies and is BACK!!!
     
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  38. Old Geezer

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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/yahoo-eidtor-ditching-the-star-spangled-banner

    "Yahoo music editor ponders ditching 'The Star-Spangled Banner'"

    "Yahoo Music Editor in Chief Lyndsey Parker wrote apiece Wednesday headlined simply, 'Why it might be time to finally replace ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’ with a new national anthem.'”


    “'If there's a tradition that hurts any part of the society -- sexist, patriarchal, misogynistic -- then it’s time to just throw it away,' Powell said."

    It now appears that voting for a liberal candidate is no different than burning the American Flag.

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    Voting-in collectivism is voting in chaos.

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  39. Old Geezer

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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-gun-sales-spike-protests-coronavirus

    "Within the first two weeks of June, more than 42,000 people in Illinois applied for a gun permit, the Chicago Tribune reported on Thursday, citing data from the Illinois State Police."

    Seems the liberals are afraid of BLM and Antifa.

    Not knowing how to handle these firearms, liberals will be beaten blind or killed, then these firearms will fall into the hands of the savages. Many armed liberals will try to negotiate or freeze -- both, fatal behaviors. These weak people are generally too chicken-sh## to engage in a firefight. I think the disabling of the police is scaring the suburbanites. They always expect other people to fight for them.

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      ROFLMAO --- Been a while for Charlie Tuna.
       
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    Seems like us preppers are not so crazy after-all. More folk are realizing that civilization can actually crash. Obviously the books on History have gathered an enormous amount of dust. The West has been living on borrowed time for decades now.

    http://themostimportantnews.com/arc...come-a-prepper-during-the-second-half-of-2020

    "Why Every Person In America Needs To Become A Prepper During The Second Half Of 2020"
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    What took millennia to build can disappear in the blink of an eye.

    Dale
     
  42. poltiregist

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    Perhaps it is my imagination but as I stood on the edge of a mountain cliff this morning letting the wind blow over my body , I could feel an animosity in the air . I went through a class in the military on developing instinct . I have worked ever since as they instructed developing it . I can not turn it off or on but whenever it does speak to me it is seldom wrong . ----- Something I have put on here before but is buried somewhere back in time , in the school of developing instinct they gave as an example . The Feds were after John Dillenger but he always seemed to be just minutes ahead of them . Whenever they broke into his house they had found a still smoking cigerete , time after time when they started to apprehend him he would be just left . The Feds figured someone was tipping him off to give him a chance to escape . John Dillenger's hormons finally overrode his instincts and the whore in the red dress betrayed him for the bounty . After he was apprehended they discovered no one was tipping him off . He would instinctively know when the Feds were near , grab his always packed bag and flee . It must have looked insane for his companions to see him suddenly grab his stuff and jump out a window or something and leave running like the devil was after him .
     
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  43. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    FWIW;

    It's probably not your imagination. It's the collective aspects of anthropology: brain, mind - both conscious and unconscious - giving you a message. The message involves survival as member of human species.

    I took a similar course.
     
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  44. Old Geezer

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    My father's brothers were interesting folk.

    Had an uncle who would only take a seat in a restaurant that afforded him a view of the entrance and of the kitchen.

    He usually owed money to people who one would rather not owe money.

    He jumped states and locations within states. Hunter-gathering behaviors can leave one with enemies -- just a little observation of mine.

    I never once ever heard about him having to use his revolver. Seems instinct served him well.

    He died old and of natural causes (alcohol and tobacco).
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  45. Dalewick

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    Poltiregist, I don't believe it's your imagination. I had similar training and took it to heart. It's kept me alive several times. That feeling in the pit of your stomach or when the hair on the back of my neck stands straight up. I always know when I'm being watched, either by people or animals.
    I'm a firm believer in the 6th sense. Our ancestors knew of it and knew to listen to it.

    Dale
     
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  46. TexDanm

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    Here is the problem with another civil war. The divide this time is not North-South or East-West. It is a liberal Megacity-Conservative less mega-urban divide.

    Where I live the Black-White problem just doesn't exist to the extent that it does in the pressure cooker of the big cities. Yes, bigotry exists but most of it is in the older people that are living in the past or in people that are trash themselves and looking to make someone lower than them. I was raised in Klan Country and assure you that White Trash is no better than Black Trash.

    A Black White civil war can't happen. Believe it or not Black or African-Americans only represent a little less than 14% of our population. The liberal and the media make it seem like they are almost half but the FACTS is that they are only 12.4% of the US population. They pile up in the MEGA cities so seem to be more but even there they are a small percentage of the total. They are in general, other than the gang members, poorly armed or not armed at all.

    The next thing to look at is how much of a civil war you can have between the liberals and the conservatives. First off, how many left-wing liberals join the military? VERY FEW, so that is going to make it hard for them to effectively fight. Two, How many of the Left are gun owners or hunters? Almost none and the few that have a gun for hunting it is probably a simple small caliber 22 or a simple shotgun.

    I have friends all over this nation and can assure you that the problem is not a regional issue. If or for example, you look close at Illinois you think of Chicago and its near environs. That is a liberal disaster area. once you leave that area the rest of the state as you move south is as conservative as Texas. The whole south of the state is made out of out of work coal miners that despise the liberals that put them out of business.

    The mega-cities are now so huge that they almost rule the state that they are in. Even in Texas, the Mega-cities are ruled by liberals pretty much. The thing is here is that the state is so big that the rest of the state carries the vote and controls the state. Houston has problems just like, but to a lesser extent, that you see in cities of that size all over the country. It is less simply because we have the right and DO own and to carry guns. That calms a lot of things down. Riots like you have seen in the Liberal North would be a blood bath here and the animals know it.

    I'm sorry but we need a period of civil unrest and in the places that have allowed the animals to take control are going to need to KILL most of the animals. We need to trim the liberals back and we need to make big changes in our government. We need to take control away from the left-right and return the power to the greater BODY of our people. NO PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. You get ONE trip to Washington. Senator, Congressman, President or Vice-President. Pick one because after then you can not run for another office. After you are done you have to go back and live and work under the laws and rules that you made. Power needs to be returned to the people and taken from the political parties.

    The liberals are feeding this fire that we are seeing. They WANT the big cities to burn so that they can point to Trump as the problem. They have to do something because their candidate is sliding into dementia and it isn't looking good for them.

    It makes me think of the story where two women came before King Soliman with a baby they both claimed that it was theirs. After listening to them argue the King offered his decision. He would cut the baby in half and each would get half. One said that if she couldn't have the baby that would at least keep the other woman from having it. The other in horror told the King that she would rather the other woman have it than see it harmed. The wise King then knew who the real mother was. The Liberal Democrats will let our nation burn rather than let the people do other than they wish!! I'm not sure that the Right Wing Republicans are much different they are just smarter and more subtle.
     
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      I believe your right that any conflict won't be a black vs white issue. I'm not even sure the conflict coming can be defined as a civil war. I do believe the USA is in a conflict. I believe we are in the middle of a guerilla war (low intensity) and the tactics won't make Americans think it's a war. I believe socialist groups (liberal) that are being funded and trained by countries seeking to harm the USA are using the countries youth to conduct war. Our citizens are acting as there soldiers. There cadre are very seldom seen but are the ones directing the soldiers on the ground. There officers are never seen and are often in other countries and there upper command structure is unknown to all but a few.

      If this structure sounds like a terrorist cell network, there is a reason for that.

      Dale
       
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  47. arctic bill

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    this is what is see happening to start the next american civil war.
    1) there is a presidential election in November.
    2) due to covid-19 there is a very large mail in ballot.
    3) bidden is elected president by a huge majority .
    4) trump and his cronies refuse to admit that he lost the election and say that the vote was
    rigged .
    5) Trump calls to arms all conservatives,republicans, right wing militia groups, white supremacy groups , etc etc .
    6) there is some event somewhere that is a spark and all hell breaks lose .
    I really see this happening so be ready , you have been warned .
    Bill
     
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  48. TexDanm

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    If Biden is elected we no longer deserve to be a free people. He will shatter the nation trying to make 13.4% the same as the 86.6% in wealth, and all other things. The more he gives the bigger the riots will be and in the end, the nation will fall apart trying to do the impossible.

    People not of color are not going to accept being second class citizens in their own nation trying to make up for injustices addressed 150 years ago, a 100 years ago and again 50 years ago. It is time for them to make a decision and either become Americans or leave.

    My ancestors came to this country and were a minority. They were dirt poor Scott/Irish immigrants and looked down on. I am not that first second or third. I am an American, Texan, Country Boy of that decent but I don't expect any special treatment because my ancestors came here and were treated poorly. My wife is American, Texan, 25% Native American of German descent.

    America is for AMERICANS ONLY! You take your hat off and STAND facing the flag for the National Anthem. We need to require the pledge of allegiance in every school EVERY MORNING. Failure to do these things is a form of renouncing your citizenship. If you burn my flag you are no longer a citizen and after serving 5 years in prison you should be offered a ticket. You will use it or die. If you don't want to do this you need to go elsewhere to a country that you WANT to be a part of. We need to first offer and then put people on plane that will take them out of this country that they so hate...or KILL them as traitors and criminal leaches to this nation. I DON'T care what color their skin is!
     
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  49. Old Geezer

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    If Biden wins, the economy tanks.

    Biden is the Social Democratic Party's cardboard candidate. Their vice presidential candidate will be the actual candidate. When the Social Democratic Party comes to power, Wall Street investors will attempt to divest without causing a panic. But of course, there will be a panic. Retirement funds will disappear within six months. Money will be printed, so investors in other nations will try to get out from underneath the dollar without creating a panic. Wait, didn't I hear the word "panic" just a moment ago?

    The urban areas will demand even more money and more "money" will be printed. The American economy will crumble rapidly. Cities will default -- Chicago already is dead broke. You'll be able to physically hear the dominoes crashing down. Western economies are going to tank anyway, however when all fiscal responsibility goes out the window, then it's over.

    During the next four years, North America will suffer from nasty geophysical events and devastating hurricanes. In and of themselves, these events would be something from which we could readily recover, however these are no longer normal times.

    If we get a liberal administration and Chinacovid rear its head again, the socialists will shut this nation down yet again. The economy will NOT be able to endure such an action.

    There are forms of leukemia that take years to kill. However, in the last stage of these sorts of leukemia, the disease gallops and the person is dead in less than a month.

    America has had this sort of leukemia now for decades.

    It is now in its fulminating stage and so the end is nearing rapidly.

    But the soul does not die.

    The soul of America lies in its Heartland.
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  50. Pragmatist

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    Good evening all,

    POTUS controls most of the national security apparatus and most to all of critical infrastructure.

    Highways, roads, sea/lake/river lanes, airports, airfields and airways are near-exclusive POTUS-controlled. Electricity, to include commercial/industrial offgrid generators, are POTUS-controlled.

    Social distancing effectively closes the colleges and universities and, by extension, the public schools' teacher unions.

    My question is what camp controls the megacity police forces ? Just joking !
     
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