Usa Civil War, Version 2.0

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Will the USA be at war before 2021?

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  1. Old Geezer

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  2. poltiregist

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    It is still a little too far to predict but the pivot point for a war could shape up in less than 12 months from now . My opinion only but I think Donald Trump will easily win another term as the U.S. President for another 4 years . The delusional Democrats will go berserk . The burning , looting and attacking anyone they presume might be a Trump supporter will issue on an scale much larger than we are already witnessing . This sets up the playing field , with Donald Trump having the U.S. military at his bidding . On the disillusioned Democrat side they may have the military support of Communist China , Russia , and any other Communist country that want to try to overthrow the U.S. Government . -=-- Such an scenario doesn't leave many Not involved in the conflict . Those that try to sit it out may find themselves like in the first U.S. Civil War being given not much of a choice but participate in some manner . Remember the Southern Home Guard of the first Civil War . Deadbeats and cowards were not looked upon kindly . Some wanting to not take a side were shot or hung . -- Remember the raping of the women with the blessing of their leader when Russian troops entered Berlin . Would you expect any better from the Chinese troops or troops from a Muslim country ? When foreign troops are on our own soil do you think we will nuke our own country ? Perhaps I am thinking too far ahead but that is the way my mind works . --- Members of other countries be aware if the U.S. falls the communist will look at this as cutting the head off of a snake . The Communist will focus on a new country to conquer . If you are wondering which country would be next , a good clue is look at the countries the communist are now probing to see how many useful idiots they can get to try to disrupt their government under the guise of protests .
     
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  3. arctic bill

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    I am not an american, I am Canadian. that being said i follow what is happening south of me. A lot of the people on this site see trump winning the election, some said even easily.
    but if i look at all the polls not just fox or breibart i see Biden with a win .

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    Climate Nexus
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    President: general election Texas

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    President: general election Ga.

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    Siena College/The New York Times Upshot 651 RV Biden
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    President: general election Ariz.

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    Trump Biden +7
    President: general election Fla.

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    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    1,079 LV Biden
    45%
    More Biden +4
    President: general election Wis.

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    Siena College/The New York Times Upshot 655 RV Biden
    49%
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    Trump Biden +11
    President: general election Pa.

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    1. Dalewick
      AB, The polls are complete BS. They were saying the same thing last election when Killary was winning by a landslide. She lost. There are already people being charged with voter fraud on the primaries. Guess which party they are with.
      The majority of Americans are conservative to some degree but they are a truly silent majority. If things do go side ways in the USA, please remember it only took 3% to win the Revolutionary war. There are more patriots in the country than that now.
       
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  4. Morgan101

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    This is strange beyond belief but I feel exactly the same way. There is something in the air that is foreboding. I am not one for conspiracy theories, but I just have a gut feeling that something really bad is going to happen to all of us. I never had a class, and I was never in the military, but I think I recognize that same feeling. It makes me want to step up the preps even harder.
     
  5. TexDanm

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    If this goes to a civil war it will be done and over in no time. Blacks represent a 13% minority. Most of them are good people and not part of the problem. There are a far greater number of insane liberal that are not black that are slightly more of a problem. Up against them are almost a hundred million Conservatives that represent nearly all of the military and a majority of the police. The rest of us are, at least in the Conservative freestates, are armed to the teeth. What will the liberals bring to the war? bolt action 22s and a few hunting shotguns. Hell, I am not one of the totally gun-crazy people and I have 50 or so firearms. The gangbangers with their crap weapons won't last past the first skirmish. With my deer rifle, I can hit a cigarette package sized target at 300 yards. If you get close I can put 14 rounds of buckshot in the air about as fast as I can pull the trigger. Two days after it starts I will have full-auto capability.

    Nearly everyone I know has some sort of quasi-military type long arm and we ALL carry handguns and are good with them. Outnumbered 10 to 1 or more and also outgunned by a hundred to one it will be a blood bath and over fast. We have allowed animals to take over our cities. If they take their violence outside of their neighborhoods and attack the wrong people it will be like throwing a bucket of gasoline on a fire. WHOOOOM and there will be dead animals all over the place.
     
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    1. Dalewick
      TD, You appear (I could be wrong) to think this will be like a conventional war, where you can recognize your enemy. I don't see that happening. This will be or may already be a form of guerilla warfare. Groups like ANTIFA have been going to other countries (Iran, Libya, China, etc) for terrorist training and training in guerilla warfare. They may not be being charged or hunted down for there crimes, but how is arson, assaults, destruction of public property and intimidation not acts of terrorism if the are meant to alter peoples behavior? I believe they know where there safe to conduct destabilization operations for now, and where there not. Who talked Trump out of using the Insurrection Act? What do they have to gain?
       
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Arctic Bill,

    I'm one of those south of the St. Lawrence see Trump winning.

    When North Carolina went to mail-in ballots, along with the 3 People's Democratic Republics on the Pacific Coast, the Trump second inaugural started to get planned.

    "He who controls the rimland, controls ......"

    Who controls the election tallies ? It will go to the Supremes and they have their requirements to be met.

    Full Disclosure; I am on Team Trump.
     
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  7. TMT Tactical

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    I am watching Netflix TV program --- V War ---. Science fiction / horror . New Vampire species vs. humans vs. government. Now if you use a bit of imagination and substitute the various vampire groups for BLM and ANTIFA vs. government and conservatives, you may be getting a prelude to the problem of a civil war of Socialist vs. Conservatives vs. government responses. Changing the characters a bit does provide a whole different outlook and the issues presented. Enjoy.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ncel_mobs_cant_get_any_worse_think_again.html

    "What America is going through right now is not merely another, more intense round of 'cancel culture.' We’re now in the midst of a full-force, totalitarian remolding of our society, one that seeks to place the petty resentments of an outraged minority of leftist activists above everything else in American life. Because of their willingness to riot, loot, and assault anyone they perceive to be insufficiently sympathetic to their cause, leftists are able to bully ordinary people into submission."
     
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  9. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    Just read the Harlan Hill article.

    I'd like to add a foundation block of the "totalitarian remolding of our society".

    The FICA subpoenas for the attempted White House / palace coup d' against Trump, is soon to surface re criminal charges against those who worked the FICA requests.

    The best background article I've ever read re all this remolding was in the February, 2020 issue of Hillsdale College IMPRIMIS. It's an article by Christopher Caldwell titled "The Roots of our Partisan Divide".

    A couple of quotes:

    "involves the Vietnam War ... student deferment ... produced a class division"

    "emergency measures ending segregation ... under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ... authority to override ... now become the most powerful part of our governing system"

    "racial quotas for public schools"

    "1978 Bakke decision ... US Marine Captain ... medical school rejected"

    IMPRIMIS: imprimis@hillsdale.edu ( I think / hope). I'm absolutely confident you'll appreciate reading about article. Meanwhile, back to sticking my pulp copy of above in cover of Oswald Spengler's "THE DECLINE OF THE WEST".
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    https://thepostmillennial.com/npr-promotes-insane-book-celebrating-looting-and-riots

    "Vicky Osterweil's new book, In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action, is a social justice justification for property damage and theft. This book promoting riots is a number one new release on Amazon, a mega-corporation that benefits every time a local shop gets torched.

    "Osterweil's book is a celebration of looting in the name of anti-racist action directed at dismantling whiteness and property ownership.

    "Speaking to NPR's Natalie Escobar, Osterweil made the point that looting during the course of riots is a redistribution of wealth, not theft, and that property damage, too, is simply a way to reapportion assets which she deems necessary in an unequal society."
     
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  12. Dalewick

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    If the government ceases to protect citizens unalienable rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) and then fails to protect citizen rights. Then the citizens have the right to form militias to insure the security of the state, until such time as the security of the state and rights of it's citizens can be again protected by the government.
    If the terrorist activities of ANTIFA, BLM and similar groups continues as current, I see no way for the courts to object to militias protecting citizens rights.
    I believe that this is coming.

    Then,...the SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN!

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    Those cartridge boxes are getting closer at hand.

    I've been expecting it for years but always hoped I was wrong. Still hope I am.

    Dale
     
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  13. Dalewick

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    Does everyone that responded still have the same view of what they expect to happen? Thanks for responding.

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    Dale

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  14. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Dale,

    Not the same but a similar view here.

    I've anticipated this for several years.

    Militias have been de facto made illegal UNLESS affiliated with the USG or certain state governments and their political subdivisions.

    The courts are so biased, they are really legislative chambers.

    I believe Team Trump is in good shape to confront and defeat the Marxists and fellow traveler criminals.

    I have a Federal assignment.

    It's the election placing the delay on things.

    "There is meaning in waiting", Miguel Unamuno, The Tragic Sense of Life (one of the best philo books I've ever read).
     
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  15. watcherchris

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    Wondering if I need to get an M1A in addition to this Ruger Precision Rifle.??? I just prefer the 30s.

    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    1. Dalewick
      AR10 is a bit more accurate at distance due to floating barrel and fewer moving parts.
       
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  16. Old Geezer

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    If true (?), the following article describes a bit of escalation in the former United States (seems we are the Disunited States of late).

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-confirms-gang-threat

    "The Chicago Police Department has confirmed to Fox News the existence of an intelligence alert reportedly sent out by the FBI warning area law enforcement of a pact among street gangs “to 'shoot on-sight any cop that has a weapon drawn on any subject in public'."

    "The 'Potential Activity Alert' from FBI officials was sent out Aug. 26, according to ABC7, which says it has obtained a copy of it.

    “'We have been made aware of this threat by a law enforcement partner,' a Chicago police spokesperson told Fox News on Tuesday. 'The Chicago Police Department takes all threats against officer safety seriously and we will take all necessary measures to safeguard our officers.'"

    Chicago gangs do not possess the discipline of military units, however they could certainly increase the risk for police doing their duty. These aggressors use their cell phones to coordinate flash mob looting sprees. One imagines that they could send out a general alert that police were on the scene of a incident or were in pursuit of a felon, thereby calling in gang reinforcements to open fire on police who have draw their weapons. There are always those who are filming the police, so it wouldn't be difficult to get videos of cops being murdered.

    Another factor increasing the risk to police officers attempting to apprehend an armed felon is that gangs will compete for media coverage. Each and every gang would get their gang's colors on the news. There would be the, "We won!" effect. If the MSM rewards -- and they will -- this murderous gang behavior, it will spread to other cities. Gangs will begin "taking ears" of police. The MSM succeeded massively in promoting mass murders by giving the crazies the media coverage for which they lust.
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    The pathetically incompetent governor of Oregon has rejected aid from the federal government in eliminating the destruction and murder caused by the peaceful protesters in her state. She now wants to bring in officers from counties adjacent to Portland to help (help? are there any plans in place?). Well gee golly gosh, the Sheriffs aren't going to put their men and women officers at risk. I mean wow, would you let your troop be put in harm's way under the leadership of Portland's "authorities"?! NO WAY!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-sheriffs-reject-gov-kate-brown-request-staff-portland-protests

    One sheriff made the point that Portland is releasing the rioters just arrested so that they could return to rioting.

    I hope the citizens who voted these incompetents into offices reap the rewards.

    Were I in Trump's shoes, my mind would be in a quandary of whether to send troops to quell the hell, or just sit back and watch urban Oregon burn.

    Putting down these crazy anarchists would be no trouble to military units who have seen urban combat. Were I their commander, however, I'd let them know that whereas most of these folk are marshmallows, still there are the armed among them. I would have my soldiers go full force on arsonists. Note to protesters, "If you are seen with any incendiary device, lethal force will brought to bear against you." The idea me allowing my men to be set alight is inconceivable. Not happening.
     
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  18. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Old Geezer,

    I've been told that Field Team Trump is on hold pending the election.

    Then, the street-cleaning machinery fired up.
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Hope what you've heard comes about. Why should tax dollars go to cleanup self-destruction on the part of those who hate America?! Let the socialist paradise of Oregon fix all the peace and unity activity results of their non-violent protesters.
       
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    When the government fails to protect the life and property of the citizens, the citizens have no recourse but to protect themselves. I expect the plan is to let BLM/Antifa run wild until the public has had enough and then come down on the general public.
     
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    https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/31/neenah-man-arrested-at-green-bay-protest-has-ties-to-antifa/

    "A responding officer says he saw four individuals walking towards a protest with baseball bats. One man was wearing a metal helmet with goggles and military-style gear with multiple pouches, and was carrying an Antifa flag. When the officer pulled his squad car in front of the group, they ran away. The officer caught Banta, who was carrying the flag, and says Banta 'dropped into the fetal position and began crying.' He accused the officer of lying on him; the officer replied nobody was on him.

    "Banta acknowledged he was headed to the Green Bay protest but denied he was planning to incite a riot."

    Act like an enemy soldier, get shot dead like an enemy soldier. "Too bad. So sad."

    Oh and this: The police tell you that you are under arrest, yet you continue to your vehicle and act as if you could be retrieving a weapon. Expect the worst, expect the absolute worst.
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    Oregon Sheriffs have refused to assist the Oregon Governor after refusing federal assistance offered by PDJT. Their reason is Portland releases all arrestees daily, safety of officers.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ject-gov-kate-browns-request-assist-portland/

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    Law enforcement agencies in the State of Oregon are denying Gov. Kate Brown’s (D) request to assist with unrest in Portland, citing the “lack of political support for public safety, the uncertain legal landscape, the current volatility combined with intense scrutiny on use of force” which “presents an unacceptable risk if deputies were deployed directly.”

    Washington County Sheriff Pat Garrett released a statement following Brown’s request for law enforcement agencies to assist Portland Police, committing only to support them in “indirect ways” such as “analyzing risks associated with social media, air support, assisting with a specific criminal investigation, etc.”

    Garrett stated that the risk of deploying personnel is far too great for several reasons, including the lack of support for public safety.

    “PPB is a terrific partner and I am very sympathetic to what they are enduring,” Garrett said. “However, the lack of political support for public safety, the uncertain legal landscape, the current volatility combined with intense scrutiny on use of force presents an unacceptable risk if deputies were deployed directly”:

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    — Washington County Sheriff’s Office (@WCSOOregon) September 1, 2020

    Clackamas County Sheriff Craig Roberts also responded to Brown’s call for assistance, revealing that the governor did not even discuss the plan with his office prior to announcing it.

    “Had Governor Brown discussed her plan with my office, I would have told her it’s about changing policy, not adding resources,” Roberts said. “Increasing law enforcement resources in Portland will not solve the nightly violence and now, murder.”

    Roberts said it is essential to support a policy that “holds offenders accountable for their destruction and violence,” stressing that it is the “only way to make Portland safe again.”

    He continued:

    That will require the DA to charge offenders appropriately and a decision by the Multnomah County Presiding Judge not to allow offenders released on their own recognizance, and instead require bail with conditions. The same offenders are arrested night after night, only to be released by the court and not charged with a crime by the DA’s Office. The next night they are back at it, endangering the lives of law enforcement and the community all over again.

    “Had Governor Brown asked me, I would have told her that no amount of human resources will stop the ‘cycle of violence’ (her term) that is making Portland unsafe,” he added. “For that to occur, the criminal justice system will need do its part and hold offenders accountable.”

    Strong statement from @ClackCoSheriff Roberts who says they will not send deputies to Portland after @OregonGovBrown released a plan saying they would.

    Instead, he says "the criminal justice system will need to do its part and hold offenders accountable."#LiveOnK2 pic.twitter.com/DETlaPzTCN

    — Kellee Azar (@KelleeAzar) August 31, 2020

    Brown released her plan, a “unified law enforcement plan,” to restore peace in Portland on Sunday.

    As Breitbart News detailed:

    According to the plan, the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office will “work with system partners to hold individuals booked for violent behavior, and to ensure that there is adequate jail space to hold such individuals,” while the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office will “prosecute serious criminal offenses, including arson and physical violence.”

    Oregon State Police will also support Portland Police by offering both personnel and resources, which will “free up the Portland Police Bureau’s investigative capabilities to arrest and charge those engaging in violent acts.”

    Her plan also listed the Clackamas and Washington County Sheriff’s Offices, specifically, asking them to “support the Portland Police Bureau with personnel and resources to keep the peace and protect free speech.”

    Notably, Brown blamed the escalation of violence in the city, primarily, on “right-wing vigilantes” and “armed white supremacists” in remarks corresponding with the release of her plan.

    “The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight,” she said following the night that saw a man in a “Patriot Prayer” hat shot and killed.

    “Every Oregonian has the right to freely express their views without fear of deadly violence. I will not allow Patriot Prayer and armed white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to our streets,” she continued.

    “Time and again, from Charlottesville to Kenosha to Portland, we have seen the tragic outcome when armed right-wing vigilantes take matters into their own hands,” she added. “Gun violence is never, ever the answer.”
     
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      So, it's the guy who got murdered, fault. That is liberal logic at it's finest.
       
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    2. Old Geezer
      I posted this story today at 2:30. May not be same article, haven't checked.
       
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  22. Old Geezer

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    https://thepostmillennial.com/a-cal...o-consider-looters-needs-before-charging-them

    "A district attorney in California reportedly told members of law enforcement that they should consider the needs of looters before deciding to charge them with looting.

    "Costa County District Attorney Diana Becton expressed her view that officers should consider whether 'the target business' was 'open or closed' at the time the looting took place, and 'what was the manner and means' by which the looters had managed to get inside the business, the Daily Wire reported."

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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...er-smears-cop-after-police-defended-his-home/

    "Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler criticized a local police officer who tackled a rioter on Monday night, tweeting Tuesday that the officer had been 'filmed repeatedly striking an individual at a protest.'

    "A police officer was filmed repeatedly striking an individual at a protest. Even the building where I live, along with dozens of other families, was violently attacked. These acts range from stupid, to dangerous, to criminal. The violence must stop. — Mayor Ted Wheeler (@tedwheeler) September 2, 2020

    "Wheeler’s description gives the impression that a police officer brutally attacked a peaceful protester without provocation.

    "In fact, the 'protest' was a violent riot, and the officer struck the rioter because he resisted arrest and fought the officer, removing his helmet."

    Maybe mayor Wheeler-Dealer needs a street education of the personal variety. Since he is a privileged white person, maybe he should pay for his crime of being born white. I'd pay $100 for a video of his street education.
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    BLM & Antifa violence is ignored. Police cannot protect you. You must arm-up and protect yourselves.

    https://suburbanchicagoland.com/202...-coverage-of-dc-protests-versus-blm-protests/

    https://www.heritage.org/progressiv...rs-trashed-americas-cities-after-the-election

    Police must retreat. Add to this, the party currently coming into power in America intends to defund the police. Again, you are on your own.





    Visit gun stores. First, determine what ammunition is available in your area stores. Look for 12 ga buckshot. Let no one fool you, 20 gauge buckshot is VERY effective as a defense load. If they have the ammo, do your regional stores have the firearms to match the ammo? Both 12 ga and 20 ga shotguns can be used as defensive weapons if rioters or other home-invaders attack your family in your home. Look for pump shotguns. Pump shotguns have a restrictor dowel rod in the magazine tube to restrict the number of shells that can be loaded into that magazine. For home defense, remove that restrictor. The gun store can show you how to do this and should also provide you some instruction as to how to operate the weapon you purchase.

    Handguns are only powerful enough to allow you to lay down fire so that you can get to your defensive shotguns and/or centerfire rifles. Bird-shot for shotguns is only powerful enough to attempt to push-back swarms of rioters attacking your home. Close-in, bird-shot can be lethal; however, we are talking CLOSE, scary-dangerous close.

    Given the state of ammo shortages, you may have to buy a box of ammo at one store, then another store, then go to yet another store to purchase more ammunition, ...

    If you are accustomed to the use of rifles, great! For home defense, any sort of deer rifle is more than adequate. You must be VERY careful using center-fire rifles because the ammunition penetrates right through house walls putting innocent people on the other side at risk. In densely populated areas, high powered rifles are inappropriate for home defense.

    The old lever-action Winchester 30-30 is just fine. These repeating rifles have provided tens of millions / hundreds of millions of American families venison for the supper table. Other "obsolete" center-fire rifles (.22 rifles are usually rim-fire; they are only for small game) are certainly NOT obsolete if ammunition is available for them. Many popular/"modern" cartridges are now sold out. Know that you do NOT have to buy something popular, you need some rifle for which you can buy ammunition.
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    To Urban and Suburban Survivalists

    I just want to again remind all gun owners to buy gun safes. You do not want your firearms falling into the hands of lower-order humanoids.

    One can also padlock and chain firearms to HEAVY-DUTY eye-bolts screwed into your floor. One can also drill and place sinkers into concrete. If you use two eye-bolts immediately adjacent to each other and run a chain or heavy steel cable through both bolts, it makes it very difficult for a robber to unscrew the bolts. For these bolts, chains, or steel cables, use as heavy of a steel as possible to force an intruder to use a massive bolt cutter -- most burglars do not have the necessary equipment. Make the lives of trash "people" as difficult as possible. If they are slowed-down too much, they will leave.

    When returning home from work -- especially if you are alone -- make sure that nothing is out of the ordinary in or around your home or apartment. It's great if you have a dog. When coming home, is your dog OK? If not, do NOT enter your home. You can come home, slap the door, NOT open it, and yell through the door, "Hey Sparky, are you OK?!" No response from your dog means that you should leave and get help.

    Note that some burglars can get into your garage but maybe not your home. BEWARE, home invaders often lie in wait inside garages or hide in shrubbery around your house. They will let you get out of your car, attack you, and force you to let them into your home. This is why having a permit to carry a handgun is important.

    When getting into your car to leave home, do not immediately get into your car. Walk around the far side of your car from a good distance to make sure nobody can readily attack you -- be ready to run for help. If you cannot get a firearms carry permit, keep a LARGE flick-open knife in your hand. If grabbed, stab or stab-behind-you into your attacker in his groin or anal region. Make them bleed profusely. Your life is important. Their lives are utterly without meaning -- they are the disruptors of civilized society .

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    Remember, you have more power when stabbing behind you. Somebody attacks you from behind. Stab downwards past your own pelvic region into their groin area. Do this with all your might. You are attempting to cut their femoral artery or rip their genitals. The lower parts of the human body are filled with large blood vessels. There are a huge number of big veins and arteries in and around the anus. Rip those blood vessels.

    Never reveal that you have a knife. Keep it in close / secreted.

    Have knife in hand such that its blade points out from the heel of your hand -- not from the thumb side of your hand, for this power move.

    Trying to stab forward / poke the knife forward lets the attacker know that you have a knife. It allows them to grab your arm, take the knife from you and use it against you. There are martial arts experts who know how to stab forward. This requires a bunch of training.

    To stab rearward, you may have to turn your body. The mass of your body turning does add a bit of power to the rearward stab. When turning, lower your body. Standing straight up exposes too much of your body. If you are already down, stab upwards into their groin area.

    You can feign turning to your left, then spin to your right. This can throw them off, but I'm NOT recommending this. You need to get this job done in a fraction of a second. You got no time to think.

    Know that it is NO easy task slicing the human throat. The carotids have three layers of muscle. The larynx is composed of HARD cartilage. The movies make slicing a throat look easy. Buddy, it is not easy. Stabbing into the groin or anus is much easier. And often-times, a person stabbed down there is unable to scream due to the searing pain. Bad for the attacker. Good for you.

    You get you a knife made of quality steel such that it takes a sharp edge with a dangerously sharp point and this puppy will go right through heavy fabric including thick denim. All you're looking for is to get the attacker hosing-out their life blood. Not to mention, being stabbed in the nether regions is a definite motivation killer.
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    Following up on knife technique: Again, the blade is pointing away from your hand's thumb and forefinger. The blade extends out the heel of your hand = standing with knife in hand, the blade is pointed to the back of you, NOT the front.

    With this purchase on the knife, you can readily stab backwards then slash forward. Or slash forward then stab backwards.

    Repeat:
    Now the knife being in your hand, have the sharp edge outward, aiming outward beyond your knuckles. Don't have the sharp edge aimed such that it is directed up you arm, no no no. The sharp edge is pointed outward.

    Repeat:
    You can stab backwards then slash forward. Or slash forward then stab backwards.

    It makes life more difficult for your attacker if you slash at him than if you try to forward-stab him. You can slash forward if you have to; then as you bring your arm back, you can use the knife to back-stab.

    In a self-protection knife, I always buy one with a serrated edge. When slashing, the serrated edge "saw" gets the wound started then the razor edge cuts down into the muscles and blood vessels.

    In mortal combat, you also get to bite the enemy. Tear in with your teeth as if you are a demon out of Hell.

    Crushing a person's nose -- by any means necessary -- causes their eyes to water profusely reducing their ability to see. Use the heal of your hand to slam up and into the attacker's nose -- I'm NOT talking about using your fist/knuckles, I'm talking the HEAL of your hand. Driving the bone that is under/extending-behind their nose (the vomer bone) back up into their head causes major injury inside their skull. Slamming this bone hard enough can cause it to pass through the sphenoid sinus and up into the base of the brain.

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    Rule #1. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
    Rule #2. Every fight is a gun fight.
    Rule #3. There are NO EXCEPTIONS to rule #2.

    Many years ago, the Hand to Hand instructor had this sage advice on knife fighting. "If your going into a knife fight, the first thing to remember is, your going to get cut. You will decide how badly you get cut." He was right. I have the scars for reminders.

    Actual knife fights usually last less than 30 seconds. If you don't want to die on someone else's blade. Get training. Practice what your trained. Always carry a sidearm.

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    Good morning Dale,

    A couple of years ago I took the county's emergency responder self-defense course. It was state-wide legal material and my county even brought in an additional instructor from the big city (near Watcherchris).

    At intro, the senior deputy sheriff went around room asking each what self-defense courses they've already taken. A big one was the Israeli Kra-Maga (spell?). At my turn, I mentioned haven taken the US Army's course as per DA Pam 21-150, Hand To Hand Combat (since renamed "Combatatives" [probably today called "Love Bears"]). Also mentioned I taught the Battery's make-up course with emphasis on the "Boy Scout section".

    All the older vet folks smiled and knew what I was talking about. A younger guy spoke up and asked to have my point explained.

    FM 21-150 has several scenarios of 2 lethal enemies, one wearing OD fatigues and other in khaki, both w/ combat boots, involving a rifle, a pistol, a bayonet - forgot if something to throw.

    Boy Scouts - - the traditional ones, at least; don't know about what happened to this American institution - - just about always asked that if one of the people has a rifle and the other has a bayonet, why not just shoot the person ?!

    One Eagle Scout emergency responder who was starting college, explained to the group.

    The entire class was in an uproar !
     
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    I think I'm missing something P. What were they in an uproar about? That soldiers are taught such things? That they weren't? Please explain?

    I don't have much contact with people that aren't vets anymore and I forget that not everyone served.

    I had the basic hand to hand at Benning during my 11B (Infantry for non military) training and then had advanced hand to hand at Ft. Bragg. The instructor at Bragg was who I referred to in my other post. He was a true bad ass.

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    Good morning Dale,

    Some emergency responder class members were of the sheltered suburbs variety.

    They didn't initially think that someone would shoot an enemy if armed only with a bayonet.
     
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    As I post this, three members are onsite; however, there are 96 people watching this sight. Sure, some of these people are the enemies of the U.S. Constitution, deep-state folk who have violated their loyalty oath to the Constitution. I have as much respect for such people as I have for some fellow who has beaten-up his sister and raped her. Their souls will never return to God. Other non-members are decent citizens looking for survival information.

    Many of these people do not own a firearm. Some live in socialist countries where citizens are not citizens, only serfs. Me, I do not know why people go unarmed, but I do know that they are out there and could be visiting our site. Me, I'd advise them to go buy a firearm under the table and pay with cash -- whatever. The reality stands that unarmed people will be faced with strong-arm robberies and home invasions. Sure happens a lot in England. Now that the communist revolution is in full swing here in the former-USA, felons are being let out of prison who should NEVER be on the streets. BLM and Antifa demand that black felons be released due to their having been oppressed by the police and by the evil conservatives.

    Many people without firearms may just go buy themselves a knife for self-defense. Pepper spray can be just a bad joke. If a woman isn't going to buy a gun, I'd like to see her buy a flick-open knife with a decent blade on that knife.

    If she gets cut during a fight, it's a better situation than being raped and killed.

    For me, for my selfish motivation, I love reading about felons who get mutilated and/or killed.

    Bernhard Goetz had a little snubbie .38. He carried the revolver illegally. Good for him. One of the felons who attacked him was paralyzed for life. Good. The felon who Bernie put in the wheelchair died young. Good.

    If someone gets his lower regions destroyed by the woman he attacked, good. I'd buy a copy of the audio-recording of his screams.

    When I post something on this site, I am sometimes not actually responding to my fellow members, but to those who are visiting to gain survival knowledge. Whenever I post something that is basic prepper knowledge, it is for them, not us. Most folk on this site are well-versed in prepping matters. Shoot, I've learned a whole bunch on this site. I figure others can learn also.

    I feel for the humble folk out there who are now being faced with their nations being turned into Venezuela -- my own country is collapsing. The communists continue to gain ground in all Western nations. We are all facing a war against Liberty, morality, and religious belief. We must get ready for this war any way we can.
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    Not sure but did I tell you members..I bought a second one of these and of recent finally took them both out in the garage and put a better edge on them...though they come with a decent edge...

    Amazon.com : Cold Steel Viking Battle Axe, Overall: 30" : Sports & Outdoors

    There is just something about cold steel.....................................................................


    Also bought one some time ago and left it with the prepper group up state....and a radio station too...

    Waiting on the arrival of more solid copper bullets....for reloading.




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    I like it! I think one could honestly say that the Vikings knew what
    they were about when it came to fighting. They also used battle hammers.

    I have a short axe / long-handle (30") hatchet that I perpetually use when cutting small tree limbs. I love it. Many times, a short-handle hatchet is simply inadequate -- you can't get the speed needed to enable the head's cutting edge to do its job. I can easily throw a short axe in the back of my truck -- it has a leather sheath for the cutting head. I also use pruning saws for mild work. Mr. Chainsaw is for when you have some serious work to do.

    I've have come mighty close to buying a fighting hatchet / tomahawk. Maybe I should go ahead and buy one. Most all outdoor and gun shops in this region carry them due to the high demand for these. Too, they come in super-handy for all manner of cutting jobs. I routinely use my gardening tools for other non-gardening purposes.

    Most preppers are tool-lovers. How some folk get by without having even the most basic of tools totally mystifies me. I guess they call some Mr. Fixit all the time, or maybe they just toss perfectly repairable items and buy new -- that is brain-damaged behavior if you ask me.

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    Then there's Wanda-Sue and Ricky. People tend to avoid their love-nest up at the head of Spice Hollow. It's said that they are madly in love.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political...over-possible-release-orange-county-prisoners

    "The fate of about 1,800 inmates Orange County inmates remains unclear as legal proceedings continue into whether the prisoners should be released amidst an ongoing pandemic.

    "The case began last year, when Sheriff Don Barnes received a Dec. 11 court order requiring county jails to reduce populations by 50 percent. It was a move Barnes has warned could result in large consequences for the community."

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    As someone pointed out to me today . The new communist regime want to release criminals and fill their vacancy with Patriots that support the constitution with all its components such as the right to bear arms and a legitimate election . The round up of Trump supporters has already begun .
     
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    Concerning farmland redistribution: This is something that could very easily start a shooting war.

    In the future, maybe even the near future, a carpet-bagger being in the wrong region could get him and his Subaru pushed off the road by some local 5-ton farm truck. A Volvo vs the grill of a lumber truck would also have rather negative consequences for the Volvo driver. Volvo's are well-built; but gosh, those pesky laws of physics sure are a bear.
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    The takeover of the former USA

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political...l-would-offer-citizenship-11-million-illegals

    "President-elect Joe Biden will 'immediately' send a legislative package to Congress which would provide a pathway to citizenship for some 11 million illegal immigrants, according to the Los Angeles Times, according to 'immigrants rights activists in communication with the Biden-Harris transition team.'

    "The bill would also provide a shorter pathway to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of people living in the United States under a temporary protected status and/or who qualify under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program who were brought into the US as children.

    "And in what the Times calls a 'significant departure from many previous immigration bills under both Democratic and Republican administrations,' the Biden plan would contain zero provisions for stepped-up immigration enforcement and security measures, according to Marielena Hincapié, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center Immigrant Justice Fund, who was informed of the details by Biden staffers."

    The following link asks you if you wish to turn off your ad-blockers. You don't gotta do this thing. In fine print, lower left of the notification box, there is a line stating something like "continue without deactivating your ad blocker". Always select this option for ANY and ALL sites trying to get you to submit to their B.S..

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...nts-estimated-to-be-in-us-up-from-12-million/
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    well i am as ready as i'll ever be and boy am i PO'D!!!!
     
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    "Twitter bans Trump, but left-wing activist charged in Capitol riot still active on platform"

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/le...capitol-riot-still-allowed-on-twitter-youtube

    "A left-wing activist charged for his alleged participation in the Capitol Hill riot maintains control of his Twitter and YouTube accounts, Fox News has learned.

    "John Sullivan 26, recorded an up-close video of a woman’s fatal shooting during the Jan. 6 Capitol siege and can allegedly be heard egging on protesters in a video he shared on his YouTube and Twitter accounts under the pseudonym Jayden X.

    "Sullivan is accused of taking part and encouraging rioters as they swept through the building. He allegedly wore a gas mask and had a knife at the time of the siege, court papers show. He can be heard telling rioters that 'We got to get this s--- burned,' and 'it’s our house m------------,' according to an affidavit signed by FBI Special Agent Matthew Foulger."
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    Lincoln said a house divided against itself can not stand. That is the way i see the USA. now.
    the trump supporters say that the election was rigged and trump won. and from the looks of January 6 they are ready to fight to over turn the election.
    Biden did win the election but most republicans politicians are pushing the big lie that trump won to further their standing with trump supporters. country be damned
    I should point out that 60 times the election was contested in court and not once was any real evidence presented. And this was before republicans judges for state and federal even the supreme court which has a strong republican majority .
    Unless Joe Biden can tie up the wounds of the country and get the big lie over i see the
    USA collapsing and civil war happening .
    I hope not it used to be a hell of a good country .
     
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    There are now two separate Americas. This has been true for decades now; however, this election cut any and all possible means to any sort of reunification. The former-USA is now in a civil war that will intensify by each passing month. This war will be upside-different than our first civil war wherein armies collided. America's Civil War II will be much like the civil war in Northern Ireland.

    Don't use the term "trump-supporters". Some conservatives really liked Trump. Most conservatives tolerated Trump -- especially when he supported the U.S. Constitution and when he opposed the Leftist anti-Christian legions. I really liked it when he stood up to the enemies of God, the baby-murderers, and the elitist oligarchs of techno-monopolies.

    Neither side is going to compromise. The left hates all things godly. No conservative with a soul will sell their soul to make peace with the anti-Christs. The Leftist born-again Secular Humanists will never compromise with those who do not support the "right" of mothers to murder their babies in the womb.

    America is now at war. Leftists vs. God. Conservatives vs. The Borg.
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    You actually killed anyone Old Geezer?
     
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    Gee, what a surprise, another non-prepping question from Max.
     
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    The utopia that is South Africa could be coming to Amerika! There will be only peace and perpetual happiness!

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-to-urge-biden-to-establish-truth-commission/

    "Singer Stevie Wonder, who supported and campaigned for Joe Biden, is using the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday to urge the president-elect to create a truth commission whose goal would be to investigate inequality in this country. But he said the commission will also hold accountable those “who promote lies and false truth.”

    “'Without truth, we cannot have accountability,' the singer said in a video posted to Twitter on Monday. 'Without accountability, we cannot have forgiveness. Without forgiveness, we cannot heal.'

    "He added: 'Those in leadership who won’t or don’t acknowledge the truth should be held accountable.'

    "Stevie Wonder is asking the incoming Biden-Harris administration to launch the federal commission as a way to ultimately achieve 'reconciliation.'”

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    Max, Some times it's NOT the answer that's inappropriate, but the question. I know nothing about Old Geezer's past and don't want to. If you find no value in what he says, why don't you just block him?

    For me, I am a combat veteran. Those memories are mine and mine alone. I have shared some but there is much I would forget if I could. Time does not heal all wounds.

    Dale
     
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    Your television and movie education is showing here...Max.

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