Usa Civil War, Version 2.0

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Will the USA be at war before 2021?

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  1. Old Geezer

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-trump-supporters-agree-its-time-split-country-poll

    "Most Trump Supporters Agree It's 'Time To Split The Country': Poll"

    "A new poll from the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia reveals that 52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters 'at least somewhat agree' that red and blue states should secede from the union, splitting the country.

    "The idea that the nation’s political divide has become so toxic that we should prepare from some sort of 'national divorce' has largely been left to clever thought experiments best left for dinner parties and ironically detached columns. However, we’ve now arrived at a point where more than half of Trump voters “somewhat agree” that the time for secession is nigh.

    "Majorities — often large majorities — of both Biden and Trump voters express some form of distrust for voters, elected officials, and media sources they associate with the other side. A strong majority of Trump voters see no real difference between Democrats and socialists, and a majority of Biden voters at least somewhat agree that there is no real difference between Republicans and fascists."

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  2. Dalewick

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    Could these be considered a declaration of war? If not, it doesn't seem far from it. People are DYING on both sides. People like the tyrannical California board of education are wanting personal protection from the people that elected them? How far into this SHTF do we slide before it is a civil war?

    We may never get rid of this smell.

    Dale
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    Seceding from the Union is what started the American Civil War, many soldiers on both sides were killed in that war, does America really want to repeat that experience?
    or have the American people forgotten their own history?
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    Depriving a people of their human rights as adults is an act of war. Invalid government subjugating a people via an endless stream of edicts is one of the many manifestations of rape.

    There are things worse than death. "Death before dishonor."

    And it may not come to all-out war. The Left hates Conservatives and wish to have nothing to do with them. Conservatives feel the same about the Left.

    Anger, even fury, rules.

    This is not going to end well.

    The primary reason that bloodshed could occur is that socialists need responsible people (i.e. Conservatives) to pay taxes to prop-up the trashy people socialists buy-off with government handouts. The Left can't run a country with their voter-base, this due to their weaknesses, their lack of skill-sets, and add to these the number of people addicted to handouts who simply won't work. The Left also knows that the police and military have zero respect for them.

    Currently urban police officers are quitting in such numbers that cities are not able to maintain order.

    With or without any declaration of civil war, this country is coming apart at the seems.


    Witness police departments no longer being able to fill officer positions:

    "Missouri city police chief 'unexpectedly' resigns along with every single officer"

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-along-with-every-single-officer/ar-AAOio5F


    "Seattle could lose 200 cops over city’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate: report "


    https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/seattle-to-lose-over-200-cops-due-to-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/

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    "Decisions will have to be made, KCPD chief warns about staffing shortages"


    https://fox4kc.com/news/decisions-w...-police-chief-warns-about-staffing-shortages/

    "KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The size of the Kansas City police department continues to shrink, even with the department actively working to recruit new employees.

    "As of the end of August, the department has 1,730 employees. More than 500 of those employees are staff and support positions instead of sworn officers. Deputy Chief Michael Hicks told the police board that the department is losing an average of 17 employees every month.

    "Chief Smith said at some point the department and the police board will be forced to pick between popular programs offered through the department and actually responding to crimes.

    “'As we try and respond to the citizens need for 911 calls which we feel, and everyone should feel, is a top priority of this organization is to be there for people in need, when they call 911. So, we struggled. We will continue to struggle,' Smith said.

    "Chief Smith said the department’s property crimes division currently has 35 officers, 33% less than the 56 detectives it’s supposed to have."

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    "Phoenix police facing staffing shortages"

    https://news.yahoo.com/phoenix-police-facing-staffing-shortages-014911844.html

    quotes from video: "We are losing 11 more than we are hiring every month."

    "There are hundreds of job openings."

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    "Understaffed, Chaotic Harris County Jail Prompts Police Union Lawsuit"


    Harris County is Houston, Texas

    https://thetexan.news/understaffed-chaotic-harris-county-jail-prompts-police-union-lawsuit/

    "During a Monday press conference at HCDO headquarters, attorney Robin McIlhenny Foster explained that due to the staffing shortage jail employees were working 12 and sometimes 16-hour shifts without adequate bathroom breaks and were “having to use the restroom in garbage bags underneath their desks” or in some cases “soiling themselves.”

    "In addition to not having enough staff to provide breaks, jail employees are often conducting inmate checks and entering cells and holding pods alone, leading to dangerous encounters with inmates.

    "Other examples detailed in the complaint describe portions of the jail facility on Baker Street as completely out of control with inmates setting fires that are often left unaddressed for 30 minutes or more due to staffing shortages.

    "Conditions at the jail are contributing to the growing employee attrition rate with 177 resignations just since January, according to HCDO.

    "Cuevas said that the jail was probably short by about 500 officers and added that resources were being pulled from the law enforcement side to help assist with jail needs.

    “'How much of a public safety crisis is that going to be for our citizens out on the street?'

    "In an interview with Greg Groogan of FOX 26, Cuevas warned, 'We do not have enough personnel to adequately respond to crimes.'”
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  5. lonewolf

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    who would want to be a Police Officer these days, either in the US or UK?
    British Police lost the respect of a lot of people long ago but even more so after a recent murder conviction of a serving Police Officer, now serving a whole life term in prison(if he lives that long).
     
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  6. TMT Tactical

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    Number one son graduated forth in his class from the San Diego police academy but after seeing the politics and woke attitude, he decided against a career in law enforcement. Proud of him for completing the academy and even happier he will not become a cop.
     
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  7. wally

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    Unfortunately we may have to repeat if we are going to save America...
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    the death rate will be much higher than it was in the original civil war as the population is larger now.
     
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  9. Old Geezer

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    Yep.

    But for different reasons.

    Rail lines bringing life's necessities in the cities will be cut. Delivery trucks will take sniper fire ("shoot'n'scoot"). Farmers will do as did the French and take food and manure to the cities and dump it on the streets. Add to this, American farmers possess and are very proficient with high power rifles. God only knows how many farmers I've known. Never known any who didn't own at least one or two scoped deer rifles.

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  10. Old Geezer

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    American rifle-men/women and their rifles:

    https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/...om/how-many-deer-hunters-in-the-united-states

    "Total Number of Deer Hunters in the US: 11.4 million
    Hunters who only hunt with a firearm: 9.36 million
    Hunters who only hunt with archery: 2.04 million
    Hunters who hunt with both bow and gun: 2.59 million
    Total deer bowhunters: 4.63 million

    "In the final analysis, don’t believe the fake-news hype that deer hunting is somehow dead in America. Hardly. If we weren’t in the midst of this COVID-19 pandemic, we deer hunters could march to Dallas and take turns filling up AT&T Stadium — 108.5 times. Let that sink in for a minute."

    The AT&T stadium holds between 80 and 100 thousand people depending on how it is configured.

    America has millions of "one shot, one kill" shooters armed with high powered rifles.

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    ownership data on the evil "assault rifles"

    From the year of 2018:

    https://www.thetrace.org/2018/09/how-many-assault-weapons-in-the-us/

    "One of the most cited estimates of the number of assault-style rifles produced comes from the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry’s largest trade group. The NSSF does not use the term “assault rifle,” but tracks the production of “modern sporting rifles,” which typically refers to semiautomatic rifles like the AR-15. According to a 2015 report by the trade group, roughly one in 10 guns produced each year is a modern sporting rifle. In raw numbers, American gun-makers produced and imported 8.5 million such rifles between 1990 and 2012, and about one and two million annually every year since.

    "Do the math and it works out to between 15 and 20 million modern sporting rifles now in circulation. (An important note: The NSSF report includes weapons produced for law enforcement.) "

    So, by 2021, we are now talking a solid 20,000,000. Also consider that most of these people are ex-military and current military/military-reserve; plus, current and retired law enforcement people. Most of these people vote Conservative.

    When California mandated "assault rifle" registration / confiscation, the compliance rate was only 17%. So, why didn't the state send out its police and National Guard units to enforce this law? The police and National Guard would have had to arrest themselves. The state law made these people in uniform a large block of felons ... well-armed felons ... felons with attitude.
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  11. Old Geezer

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  12. TexDanm

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    If there were another civil war it would be a totally different thing than the first one. The "divide" now is not north-south, east-west, or any other directional or location-based thing. this time it would be regular citizens versus the entitled rich politicians and their welfare supporters. They buy that loyalty while the rest of us provide the work and money that supports their lifestyle.

    Our major cities inner areas are slowly becoming welfare slums as the working class moves out to find better and safer places to raise a family. People where I live will and do drive almost a hundred miles to avoid having to live in those places. I've done that more than once. Even the outer areas in some big city areas are beginning to become extended welfare centers. When they move in a few welfare families and the crime rate goes up the property value PLUMITS and soon the "flight" out of town begins.

    The neighborhood that I was raised in went from a nice middle class family place to a crime ridden ghetto because the government moved in a few welfare families. Pretty soon anything that you left outside disappeared. A friend left his mower in the front yard to answer a call and when he came back out a few minutes later it was gone. His house was broke into twice. That was IT.

    He came and lived with me for a couple of weeks while he found a job here and then rented a place. Then we moved his family. There was no way to sell his place. Who wants to live in a place with that sort of crime rate? Now that entire area is a welfare ghetto.

    The Government seems determined to turn the entirety of our cities into just giant crime ridden ghettos. These areas were already a good mix of different people. They weren’t integrating anything. They were just destroying an area. The schools became unsafe for ANYONE and the teachers began to leave.

    In the end there was NOTHING left there to attract either working class people OR businesses. If their intention was to make a place to store more future criminals and welfare people until they could grow up and go to prison then I guess we can say, “GOOD JOB!!!”
     
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  13. wally

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    Yes, this time the war will be everywhere not just a north/south thing...
     
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  14. arctic bill

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    • it looks like to me the civil war is on its way ,
    • here is proof
    • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rump-voters-want-red-states-secede-union.html
    • 52% of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off
    • Over 40% of voters in both parties favor abolishing the checks and balances built into federal government and giving the president greater control
    • Over 75% of voters on both sides agree that strong supporters of the opposite party present a 'clear and present danger' to American life
     
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  15. TMT Tactical

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    Being and living a GREY man life style now will provide some security in the future when eh civil war starts. I don't post 2A signs, Trump signs or any other political stuff in my yard. My neighbors do not know what my political or social beliefs are and I intend to keep it that way. The civil war will not be armies fighting major battles but will be small groups / individuals attacking government agency locations and political offices. Supply lines will be cut. Power distribution services will be interrupted. Gorilla fighting will be the mode used to disrupt the government.
     
  16. Old Geezer

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    Post Rittenhouse acquittal, looks like only one riot lit-up tonight; that is in Portland. So far not many involved -- only a couple of hundred. Of course you have your window-busting and arson events.

    https://www.azcentral.com/videos/ne...declared-portland-during-protests/6171115002/

    Things could really get going tomorrow. Thing is that the two Antifa / BLM-ers killed were both white; so, the riots may not be too extensive. Chicago is lighting-up, but so far nothing much. On any given weekend, Chicago goes third-world. One will have to differentiate the gang killings from the protest killings and mayhem. In Chicago in the past two weeks there have been some swarm attacks on expensive shops (one was a jewelry store hammer-fest-and-diamond-grab; the other was some designer store where 9 invaders swarmed-in and nabbed about $100K-worth of goods. San Francisco has been open season on all stores for like over 5 months now.

    We have chaos within chaos.

    Tomorrow could get interesting ... or not.

    Since it was only white people getting killed, I don't think there will be anything particularly major. Only time will tell. I have no crystal ball into which to view the future.
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  17. lonewolf

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    its the weekend, give them time to think about the acquittal, I'm sure it will kick off soon.
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Actually the "festivities" haven't been all that bad ... so far. I mean, shoot, only Seattle had something going on that got it termed a "riot".

    Things could light-up tonight, I guess. Again, the people Rittenhouse shot were whites (doesn't count for much as far as BLM is concerned). Antifa could start something, but they usually come in behind the BLM folk. The BLM supporters often loot and such. Antifa on the other hand, comes in to destroy buildings. Remember how Antifa trapped police in one of their stations, set the place on fire, then blocked the police from exiting. These cops had to be rescued.

    I'm just watching and learning. I thought maybe there would be more "activity". So far, I've been wrong BIG TIME concerning this situation. This sure isn't going to be L.A. 1992. Some day in the near future things are going to go royally sideways. May take a dollar destruction to really light the cities on fire ... who knows.

    In England and in Europe, there will have to be much more immigration to bring in people who routinely go violent to kick-off real violence on that side of The Pond. Another London 2011 is a probability; but let's face it, 2011 didn't destroy London, not at all. As migrant populations grow and as economies collapse, that's when things will get very interesting.
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  19. lonewolf

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    London 2011 had very little to do with immigration, and the rioting was confined to a small area of the capital , the word went out for other cities to riot also but that didnt happen, I guess we in the provinces wont lose any sleep over the death of one (London) gang leader.
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    Portland's paralyzed police

    Absolutely fascinating video -- police get trapped and are thus unable to react to the out-of-control mob. Police know that they will lose their jobs of they do their job. Message to cops is that if you do what is necessary to stop this savagery, the media will put you on trial, convict you, and destroy your life. Cities of the West take note.

    "Riots across the U.S. after Rittenhouse verdict, police in Portland cornered by protesters"

    Again, I recommend watching the video within this link (the volume in this vid defaults to MUTE, so unmute the vid):


    https://leoaffairs.com/riots-across...ct-police-in-portland-cornered-by-protesters/

    Were I one of those cops, I would lose my job and likely get sent to jail. Why? Because I'd have fired my shotgun right down on that concrete and turned some rioter's legs into hamburger. And if some of them had lost their eyes, so what.
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  21. Old Geezer

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    OK, if you are a person who lives in an American major urban area and you believe in the original intent of the Constitution, if you are rational, then why are you still there? If indeed you are a rational person, leave now. If you are a "progressive" Leftist, just stay put -- you voted for this, so eat it. All urban areas are doomed -- face it. We in the Heartland can take-in some more conservative/rational people. We do not have ANY respect whatsoever for collectivists.

    America is splitting up. Make your decision right now. This is a bit late, but maybe you have a decision still available to you. It's getting ready, right now, to hit the fan.

    Again, you Leftists stay put, enjoy your collective, enjoy the U.S. dollar -- it is sacred and so is Big Brother. You've made your choice.

    And hey, you police officers who have had enough of the Leftist rape of the Constitution, now is your time to bug-out. If you are a rational conservative, we can use you in the REAL America. Time is running out VERY quickly. You do not need me to tell you how bad things are going. You know. Get out. Get your family out. There is no time left to dawdle. Tell me, just how bad does it have to get until you wake up and protect your loved ones?!!!!!!!! If you do not belong there, but have a loyalty to the Constitution, have a brain, if you actually love what this country stands for, then get your rear-end in gear and head out of the chaos before you and your family get hurt ... or worse.

    The following happened to happen in Los Angeles; however, this sort of mayhem is occurring in all major metropolitan areas. This is happening because civilization itself is crumbling. First the urban areas, then the suburbs, then Heartland America. Heartland America is going to fight back. If you are one of us, then -- in the name of God -- get out! Bring your firearms. Bring your stored food and water purifiers. If you do not now have these survival items then get them right now. Come be with us if you are one of us. It's not just that time is running out -- seems to me that the time has already run-out, but maybe, just maybe, you can still find a place where you can fit in. Try! The coming year 2022 could be a year of outright chaos. Look what has infected the White House! It's over!

    "Armed Robbery at Home Holiday Party as L.A. Suffers ‘Brutal, Brazen’ Crime Wave"

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/202...arty-as-l-a-suffers-brutal-brazen-crime-wave/

    "An armed robbery took place overnight Friday into Saturday at a holiday party in a private home in the Pacific Palisades area of Los Angeles — the latest robbery in a city that his shuddering from a wave of violent crime in recent weeks.

    "The Los Angeles Times reported on Saturday that the entire city is being “shaken” by “brutal, brazen” crimes:

    "'Crews of burglars publicly smashing their way into Los Angeles’ most exclusive stores. Robbers following their victims, including a star of “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills” and a BET host, to their residences. And this week, the fatal shooting of 81-year-old Jacqueline Avant, an admired philanthropist and wife of music legend Clarence Avant, in her Beverly Hills home.

    "'After two years of rising violent crime in Los Angeles, these incidents have sparked a national conversation and led to local concern about both the crimes themselves and where the outrage over the violence will lead.

    "'The crime wave is part of a nationwide increase, following in the wake of the Black Lives Matter riots of 2020 and the movement’s demand to “defund the police.” L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti immediately complied with that demand, cutting over 10% of the Los Angeles Police Department budget.'"
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  22. lonewolf

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    there is a piece in the UK newspapers today that says Biden will be replaced in 2024 as the presidential candidate and not by the VP, someone I've never heard of before called Buttigieg, do you think he stands a chance if The Donald is running?
     
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      Buttigieg = same sh!t, different day.
       
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  23. Old Geezer

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    Buttgig has no chance of being elected. His husband wouldn't make for a decent 1st Lady.

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  24. TMT Tactical

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    I think the Democrats may run Buttigieg. There is a lot of hype being sent to various Democrats. He is young, highly educated and would pull in the gay movement. The big question is would enough independents vote for him.
     
  25. wally

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    Unfortunately he may be the next gay president if biden/harris are ousted...
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    I couldnt care less if he's gay or not, there is a first for everything-maybe a female president one day, the question is can he do the job and not make a mess of it like Biden has?
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    He is weak. He is a collectivist.

    Redistribution of earned assets to people who show little if any effort in being productive is the death knell of any nation.
     
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  28. lonewolf

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    I still think Trump will run and could win, approval ratings for Biden and Harris are at rock bottom.
     
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  29. poltiregist

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    Looking at other countries and the war their countrie's lords conduct on non-vaxxer freedom fighters see where this is headed . Freedom fighters against tyranny of the government is now forming . Freedom fighters destroying their own infrastructure , I can not see helping their cause . The persecution and hatred of the free thinking un-vaxxed , is similar to the attitude the Nazi's had toward Jews . Governments look at these holdouts as something to be hunted down and forcibly injected with the concoction that everyone knows doesn't prevent or slow down the spread of a covid virus . Failing that to be exterminated . For some hiding in attics or under floors of homes of the vaxinated may be their future . Preppers , I would think would have a better plan than that .--- I don't have a crystal ball to see if any large organized military will organize to fight the government . But failing that , individual or small groups of resisters will indeed chose to live free or die .
     
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  30. TMT Tactical

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    There are people that for on reason or another have taken the jab but also do not agree with the mandatory jab or the way the government is singling out the unvaccinated. Now is the time to start forming an underground resistance. I do not know how this would be accomplished but I am sure there are member here who would know how to form such resistance groups. I also think that if the government continues forcing people against their will to take the jab, there will be a guerilla style retaliation. American military or police cannot withstand a military guerilla action against infrastructure. The government will over react and drive even more people against their over bearing policies. Sort of a underground railway resistance group and a WW2 French resistance cell operation. One group to aid in relocating / hiding the unvaccinated and another group to disable / harass government operation. Open warfare is not a viable option, out gunned and limited logistics would spell a failure ( north vs south civil war). What power line feed the state capital building? What phone lines feed federal /state agency buildings? What cell towers connect areas of official buildings. All could be disabled without loss of civilian life. Just some food for thought.
     
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  31. Old Geezer

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    Forcing health-care workers to get the jab is one thing. Forcing children to get the jab is quite another. Wanna make people furious unto aggression, threaten to harm their children.
     
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    A Canadian company https://medicago.com/en/our-technologies/plant-based-technology/
    is about to put on the market a plant based covid vaccine .
    The Proficia® technology developed by Medicago is unique. It uses Nicotiana benthamiana plants, which is the most widely used experimental host in plant virology, due mainly to the large number of viruses that can successfully infect it. The natural cell process of Nicotiana benthamiana is therefore temporarily exploited to produce virus-like particles (VLPs).
    NOT messenger RNA (mRNA).
    this is very good news for those that were hesitant to get the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA).
     
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  33. Old Geezer

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    Wow, sounds great!

    Thanks for the info.
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  34. Old Geezer

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    https://nakedfemaledegradation.bdsmlr.com/post/129924791

    "House Democrats this week blocked a plan that would have required states to remove foreign nationals from voter rolls.

    "On Wednesday, Democrats voted down an amendment by Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL) that would have kicked likely hundreds, and potentially thousands, of foreign nationals off state voter rolls.

    "The amendment would have been tacked onto the Democrats’ 'Freedom to Vote: John R. Lewis Act' which seeks to federalize all local and state elections with prohibitions on requiring photo identification when voting by mail and weakens current requirements that mandate states routinely clean their voter rolls.

    "Most recently, Democrats in New York City approved a plan to give voting rights to nearly a million foreign nationals in the city, who only have to prove that they have resided in the U.S. for 30 days. Republicans, Democrats, and naturalized citizens are now suing the city."
     
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  35. Old Geezer

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    The way to prevent domestic violence is for the man and woman to separate. Divorce is better than heading to jail or the hospital. Divorce is a bad thing, but there sure are worse things.

    The same is true of a nation that is not one nation. The United States remained unified only so long as the rights of individual states were their own and each was allowed their own statutes. The attempt to collectivize the 50 states is causing a fire that will end in an explosion.

    The States MUST go their separate ways. No sane person wishes war.

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertain...d-and-i-certainly-dont-want-to-live-in-yours/

    "Left-wing Hollywood star Ron Perlman has given up on the United States, calling for secession in the form of a national divorce between red and blue states.

    "Perlman laid out his proposal in a typically gruff tweet on Thursday. 'It’s time that every state they would elect republicans to represent them, and all of the rest of us separate,' he tweeted. 'You don’t wanna live in my world and I certainly don’t want to live in yours.'"

    Side note: Totally just one fellow's opinion, but why is it that so many Jewish elites side with the Left?!!! The Left is profoundly anti-Zionist; they support the Palestinians and curse the Israelis. Historically, too many centralized-government countries have gone violent on Jewish people -- witness NAZI-ism and the USSR. In Russia, Jewish people supported the Soviet Revolution, only to have it turn on them. Were I Jewish, I'd want to be totally left alone by government. Anybody who said, "Let me do something for you!", I'd run away from them.
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    For all of you stuck in cities and suburbs, here's some info on defending yourselves from the herds of savages who will very soon be running amok. It is on you. You will receive ZERO protection from the police. Survival will be for your family or for the aggressors. I'm thinking you know who should survive.

    In rural areas, these sorts of attacks will be far more rare. However, the roving predator packs of "humans" will have survived the worst and thus will be VERY efficient in killing. This is something to keep in mind. In rural areas, you will likely require the battle rifle, or some sort of repeating rifle with which you have practiced and has become your friend. If the monsters get in too close, then you are best served with your repeating shotgun. We rural folk enjoy the company of God-fearing, civilized neighbors. If you need to make more friends, do so. Humans, without unity, without the Lord's help, are finished. Hard times ahead. My prayers are with you.

    Got plenty of ammunition? You'd better.

    Using the semi-automatic rifle:

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/armed-rednecks-stave-off-looters-amid-george-floyd-protests/






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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7Ogc7R4UI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O62TAcfguy0

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    Even communist NPR (National Propaganda Radio) recognizes that the former USA is getting ready to split into Constitutional USA and European USSA.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/11/1071...erican-civil-war-but-this-time-in-every-state

    "Not long ago, the idea of another American Civil War seemed outlandish.

    "These days, the notion has not only gone mainstream, it seems to suddenly be everywhere.

    "Business Insider published a poll in October 2020 saying a majority of Americans believed the U.S. was already in the midst of a "cold" civil war. Then last fall, the University of Virginia Center for Politics released a poll finding that a majority of people who had voted to reelect former President Donald Trump in 2020 now wanted their state to secede from the Union.

    "The UVA data also showed a stunning 41% of those who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 also said it might now be "time to split the country."

    "Researchers have found such downbeat assessments of America's democracy are especially salient among the young. Last month, the Institute of Politics at Harvard's Kennedy School published a poll that found half of voting age Americans under 30 thought our democracy was "in trouble" or "failing." A third also said they expected there to be "a civil war" within their lifetimes. And a quarter thought at least one state would secede."
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    Gov. Kathy Hochul, D-N.Y., sparked intense outrage after lambasting New York Republican candidates during a speech last week, telling them to "get out of town" and "head to Florida" where they belong.

    "'We're here to say that the era of Trump and Zeldin and Molinaro – just jump on a bus and head down to Florida you belong. Get out of town,' she said.

    "'You don't represent our values,' she added.

    "Though Hochul later defended her comments and claimed they were meant for gubernatorial challenger Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., and his political allies, former President Donald Trump and congressional candidate Marc Molinaro, Republicans across the spectrum took exception.

    "'Hochul is flat out attacking not just GOP politicians, but GOP voters. This is just normal behavior for Democrats now,' tweeted columnist and author David Marcus.

    "Vermont Republicans ripped Hochul, arguing that governors would normally invite people into their state instead of requesting they move away. They also extended the invitation for New York Republicans to make the move to the Green Mountain State."

    "Hochul's divisive comments mimic those of her predecessor, former Gov. Andrew Cuomo, D-N.Y., who in 2014 also took heat for telling conservative Republicans they have 'no place" in the state.'"

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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/ron-d...hul-think-conservatives-second-class-citizens

    GOV. Ron Desantis [Florida]: I do think people like Hochul and Crist are representative of this leftist mindset that they do believe the conservative half of the country are effectively second-class citizens, so when she's telling all the Republicans to get on a bus and get out of New York… they'd lose the NYPD, they'd lose the FDNY, they'd lose guys from the Port Authority.
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    For our non-American visitors: NYPD, New York Police Department; FDNY, Fire Department; in the USA, police and combat military are over 80% conservative voters -- not true in some services such as Air Force or Navy where one could see statistic survey results at 50/50, Dem/Republican; combat military in the USA has an imbalance of representation, most are Southern or Midwest (Midwest agricultural counties).
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    The chances of another civil war are between slim and none. The thing is that most of the liberals are not willing nor prepared to fight for their beliefs while the conservitives have proven again and again their willingness to die as free men rather than submit to liberal slavery.

    I am a conservitive. That means that I as part of a majority tell the government how to operate and not the other way around. IF the government ever tries to take away that right I and people like me will be willing to fight once again to return rule to the people.
     
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    If the socialist side doesn't want to fight, that's OK with me. The police and military are conservative. The adolescents/liberals imagine that the police and military will stick by them ... well, that's not going to turn out well.

    If conservatives can out-vote all of the Leftist mail-in voter fraud, we can take Congress back from socialism and re-install the Constitutional United States.

    At some point, if the Antifa come out to burn and loot, then they are going to get shot dead. They will call it war. OK.
     
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    We don't have liberals in Texas that are stupid enough to try to riot and destroy things. Doing that here would get you killed in a very fast and legal fashon. We still have the right to defend ourselves and our property from people that wish to steal or destroy it. I like the signs that say "Trespassers will be shot!!! Survivors will be shot again!!!"
     
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    Two separate nations:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62761428

    "Supporters of Donald Trump's 'Make America Great Again' (Maga) agenda are a threat to democracy, President Joe Biden has said

    "'Maga forces are determined to take this country backwards,' he said in a primetime speech in Pennsylvania.

    "Top Republican Kevin McCarthy hit back that Mr Biden had 'severely wounded America's soul'.

    "The duelling speeches come two months before mid-term elections, which will decide the power balance in Washington.

    "The Democratic president delivered his speech on Thursday night from Independence Hall in Philadelphia, where the US Declaration of Independence was signed. He picked up his 2020 campaign theme of restoring the 'soul of America'.

    "He said he was not condemning all 74 million Americans who voted for Mr Trump two years ago. 'Not every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans, are Maga Republicans,' he said.

    "'But there's no question,' Mr Biden continued, 'that the Republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the Maga Republicans, and that is a threat to this country.'

    "Last week Mr Biden equated what he called 'extreme' Republicans with 'semi-fascism'.

    "Mr McCarthy, who is Republican minority leader in the US House of Representatives, spoke shortly beforehand from Mr Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania.

    "The California congressman said the president 'has chosen to divide, demean, and disparage his fellow Americans'."

    "The top Republican said the Biden presidency had saddled America with soaring inflation, open borders, Covid school shutdowns that damaged children's learning, the 'botched' withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the deadliest national crime wave in two decades.

    "'In the past two years,' he said, 'Joe Biden has launched an assault on the soul of America, on its people, on its laws, on its most sacred values. He has launched an assault on our democracy. His policies have severely wounded America's soul, diminished America's spirit and betrayed America's trust.'"
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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ng-teen-member-of-republican-extremist-group/

    "According to a local North Dakota report, early Sunday morning a man called 911 and admitted to the hit and run of an 18-year-old. His motive? A 'political argument' with a Republican.

    "Forty-one-year-old Shannon Brandt said he was afraid 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson was 'part of a Republican extremist group and that he was afraid they were ‘coming to get him.'”

    "Just this week, a Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll found that the dehumanization campaign launched by Biden and the corporate media has resulted in 73 percent of Democrats living with the insane belief that 'there are tens of millions of dangerous MAGA Republicans backing violence and trying to overthrow the constitution.'"

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    Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH), candidate for Ohio’s open U.S. Senate seat:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebec...yan-raises-eyebrows-with-language-of-n2613022

    "While Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) likes to portray himself as someone willing to buck his party as he seeks higher office, recent remarks show he's very much still in line with President Joe Biden when it comes to his rhetoric. The congressman, who is running against JD Vance to replace retiring Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), called into 'Morning Joe' on Tuesday, at which point he declared we have to 'kill and confront that movement' of so-called 'extremist Republicans.'"

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    We are actually like THREE nations. You have the extreemests on either end with a majority in the middle. Unfortunatly too many people in the middle don't get out and vote. I think that they are pounded so hard on the TV and such that they fail to grasp that just because the extreemest are the loudesrt they are not actually a majority. The other problem is that you basically either vote for the Rapeyoublican or the Dumbocrats. NEITHER is a very good choice for someone in the working middle class.
     
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    Murder a Republican and the bail is only $50k.

    "North Dakota man free after admitting he mowed down 'Republican' teen over politics, records show"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-da...triking-republican-extremist-car-records-show

    "The North Dakota man who allegedly admitted to fatally striking a teenage pedestrian with his car because the pair had "a political argument" was released from jail on Tuesday after posting $50,000 bond, records show.

    "Shannon Brandt, 41, spent just days in a Stutsman County Jail on criminal charges related to the death of 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson before he posted his $50,000 bond and was released, according to county jail records. Brandt’s listed attorney could not be reached by phone and did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital’s email inquiry."
     
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    Something the following table doesn't point out is "what type of firearm". Handguns are puny weapons when it comes to real combat. However, there is the example of the Warsaw ghetto where Jewish people were trapped by the NAZIs. These people started out with like only a half-dozen handguns. They used the handguns to shoot isolated German troops to steal their rifles. Too, I guess one could use a .22 rifle to obtain a real rifle. With these battle rifles, the Jewish Resistance could snipe German troops and command officers. Urban dwellers often don't own center-fire rifles -- wouldn't know how to use one if handed a real rifle.

    In a guerilla war, snipers are going to have to make long shots, i.e. the round must have serious retained energy and velocity out past 300 meters. In any urban warfare / building-to-building, the rifle must be able to shoot through walls to create casualties inside structures the enemy imagined would provide cover. Only in the movies do walls stop bullets (stone or concrete walls?, ok so maybe).

    Owning a center-fire rifle chambered in a military caliber allows one to use soft-point ammo for hunting and FMJs for range practice and defense (should things go sideways).

    Should an invalid / anti-Constitutional government go dictatorship, many (most?) National Guard units will refuse to follow invalid edicts. They will form "civilian" militias and steal their issue weaponry. Decades ago, I knew guys who were Guardsmen who brought all manner of weaponry & ammo home with them. Defecting military units will have RPGs, explosives, maybe even mobile armor. Some military divisions will stay together but attack the invalid government.

    Meanwhile, civilians will need center-fire rifles due to predating bad actors, even organized mobile gangs. Stealing fuel, even fuel trucks, will be the order of the day. Truckers usually are anything but liberal in their politics.

    "Percentage of population in the United States owning at least one gun in 2022, by political party affiliation"

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    Illinois sheriffs say that they will NOT enforce latest gun-grab law banning semi-automatics and magazines.

    Big Brother governor fires back saying that the sheriffs will submit or be gotten rid of.

    This is just one more rip in the fabric of the former USA. Here in the States we are two separate countries with little if anything in common. The fury continues to heat-up.



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    "Atlanta police arrest 6 in night of chaos after violent protesters lit cop car ablaze, smashed windows"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-...os-violent-protesters-cop-car-smashed-windows

    "The protests began peacefully on Saturday before spiraling into chaotic riots, according to FOX 5. Over the span of several hours, destruction ensued through several blocks of the downtown area.

    "Protestors were angry about the death of 26-year-old Manuel Esteban Paez Teran, who was killed by police after he allegedly refused demands from authorities on Wednesday and fired a gun at state troopers at the site of the new Atlanta Public Safety Training Center.

    "The activist reportedly identified as a nonbinary person who went by the name Tortuguita ('little turtle' in Spanish) and used they/it pronouns. Protesters carried signs with Tortuguita's name on Saturday.

    "'An individual, without warning, shot a Georgia State Patrol trooper,' Georgia Bureau of Investigations' Michael Register told reporters earlier this week.

    "The Georgia State Patrol trooper, who was wearing a bulletproof vest, was shot in the abdomen. The law enforcement officer is in stable condition and is recovering from surgery.

    "'Other law enforcement personnel returned fire in self-defense and evacuated the trooper to a safe area. The individual who fired upon law enforcement and shot the trooper was killed in the exchange of gunfire.'

    "Activists had been camped out on an 85-acre planned facility known as "Cop City" in recent days to protest the planned training center. When Teran was shot and killed after authorities tried to remove the protesters from the plot of land on Wednesday, they vowed to continue their protests.

    "The Twitter account Scenes from the Atlanta Forest called for a 'Night of Rage' to enact 'reciprocal violence to be done to the police and their allies,' according to a post.

    "'Consider this a call for reciprocal violence to be done to the police and their allies. On Friday, January 20th, wherever you are, you are invited to participate in a night of rage in order to honor the memory of our fallen comrade,' the group wrote on Twitter, in an apparent violation of the platform’s terms and conditions.

    "Defend the Atlanta Forest held a vigil Wednesday evening at the Little Five Points Square to 'memorialize the forest defender" that was "murdered by the police,' it announced on Twitter.

    "'No one can bring our friend back to us. An innocent life has been taken and the machines continue,' the group said.

    "'We will not go quietly into this dark night,' it added."
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    Leftist Pew Research Center puts best spin on numbers showing that 71% of Democrats and 91% of Republicans do not trust their government. America is crashing and burning. The dollar is continuing to be pretended into existence. Not just the wise, but now even the common folk understand that the U.S. government is corrupt and worthless.

    "Public Trust in Government: 1958-2022"

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/

    "Public trust in government remains low, as it has for much of the 21st century. Only two-in-ten Americans say they trust the government in Washington to do what is right 'just about always' (2%) or 'most of the time' (19%). Trust in the government has declined somewhat since last year, when 24% said they could trust the government at least most of the time.

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    "Today, 29% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say they trust government just about always or most of the time, compared with 9% of Republicans and Republican-leaners. Democrats report slightly less trust in the federal government today than a year ago; there has been no change in the views of Republicans."
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    Old Gzr: How will the current occupiers of the White House turn this around? With Democrats, it is usually to start a war. What else do they have left?! Soros and his satanic ilk have put their monsters in power here in the USSA. Those demons are capable of the darkest of actions.
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    cant say I'm surprised, trust in politicians here is at an all time low, not just the govt but ALL political parties .
    lets face it people like Sunak and Starmer are millionaires several times over as are many of their senior politicians, how can anyone like that know what the lives of the ordinary working people are like? they cant! its a different world to them, then of course many if not most live in the Capital-the London Elite- as we like to call them have no idea of life in the provinces, many of them have never been to my part of the country so how could they know what goes on here?
     
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