War In Ukraine

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  1. lonewolf

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    I dont think America or Britain will be financing ANY rebuilding of the Russian economy or its military, but they probably will be financing the rebuilding of Ukraine once the Russians have retreated.
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Movie: "The Mouse that Roared"

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    "An impoverished backward nation declares a war on the United States of America, hoping to lose, but things don't go according to plan.

    "The Duchy of Grand Fenwick, the smallest country in the world, is nestled in the French Alps. Being as isolated as it is, its life is a throwback to olden days. It is a happy, peace-loving country. Its economy solely rests on export of its only wine, Pinot Grand Fenwick, to the US. When a California vintner starts producing and selling a knock-off of the Pinot Grand Fenwick at a lower price, the Grand Fenwick economy goes into a crisis situation, the country on the brink of bankruptcy. Three protests to the US go largely unanswered. Grand Fenwick's Prime Minister, Rupert of Mountjoy, believes the solution is to declare war on the US, and promptly lose the war in less than a day with no casualties on either side, after which the US, which it has historically done, will provide vast financial aide to rebuild the country."
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  3. lonewolf

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    Fiction (and a comedy film at that) is never a base for real survival planning.
     
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  4. watcherchris

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    Lonewolf.,


    We are already heavily financing the Ukraine...and actually have no dog in this fight....but this is being marketed to us a the latest and greatest ultimate call for freedom and liberty......Democracy.....Democracy.....Democracy!!!! The government of the Ukraine believes in anything but liberty and freedom..particularly in social/political opposition parties.

    We will be rebuilding both Russia and the Ukraine at taxpayer expense when the dust settles.

    Seems to me way back when....Gorky Park....and it's earlier Gorky manufacturing plant was a creation of the Ford/Chrysler companies....

    A carefully covered up piece of history.


    Americans are easily conned....and have been so for years and years.

    Again....good cop/bad cop...works almost every time.

    Or as GFW Hegel is quoted....Thesis, Anti thesis, Synthesis.

    But most of us know this as Good Cop/Bad Cop.


    America needs to get out of NATO an also get out of the UN....they are huge money laundering operations.....huge..!!!!


    I always thought that Had I the money....I would love to go to Cuba and buy several olde classic collectable cars...and bring them home..
    I am not impressed with what passes for new cars nowdays.



    Weather here cold and freezing...power went off many many times yesterday in the high winds ....and finally stayed off for about 5 hours and came on about 11;15 PM.s No frozen pipes yet...

    Many around the country have it much much worse than we here on the Chesapeake Bay.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  5. Max rigger

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    Read today that official figuares for Ukrainian losses are under 13000 and Russian loses around 100,000
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    another $45 billion earmarked for Ukraine from the USA courtesy of Biden and Pelosi.
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    I dont think any of the allies want to spend one penny or one cent on rebuilding Russia after the Ukraine war or whatever follows it, that would be like building up one's enemy to have them do it all over again, that would be stupid in the extreme, better to have the Russian economy fall flat on its face never to recover, or not for a long time anyway.
     
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  8. TMT Tactical

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    I think NATO is worth preserving. The UN is a complete waste of time, money and energy. The UN should be dismantled. it serves no useful purpose.
     
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  9. Old Geezer

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    "Feverishly Racing Toward Our Own Destruction…"

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    "We are careening directly into an abyss of war, pain and misery, and our leaders are thunderously applauding as it happens. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy came to Washington this week because he wanted more money, and our politicians in Washington definitely did not disappoint him. Even though we had already given Ukraine far more money than the rest of the world combined, our politicians agreed to give him another colossal mountain of cash. On some level, we all have to respect Zelenskyy’s skills as a con man. Even though he has banned the main opposition party in Ukraine, and even though he has banned all television stations that were critical of him, and even though he just banned an entire ancient Christian denomination, our politicians continue to worship him like some sort of a pop music star. Zelenskyy has become an extremely oppressive dictator that has set himself up to rule Ukraine for as long as he wants, but members of Congress from both parties continue to hail him as a 'champion of democracy' that deserves our unquestioning support.

    "What makes this so dangerous is that Zelenskyy has been trying very hard to pull the United States into his war with Russia.

    "Throughout 2022 the U.S. has been getting increasingly involved in the conflict, and at this point we are “providing most of the funding, most of the equipment, most of the ammunition, most of the high level intelligence and much of the training” for the international army that is fighting the Russians in Ukraine.

    "In other words, we are essentially a direct participant in the war.

    "For years I have been warning my readers that there would be a war with Russia, and now it is here.

    "If we had rational leaders in Washington, they would be trying to end this conflict before the nukes start flying.

    "But instead, they are pledging to give Zelenskyy whatever he needs for as long as it takes to defeat the Russians."
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  10. watcherchris

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    By Olde Geezer....



    Zelensky is a puppet..and working for someone else pulling his puppet strings. He is a front man....for someone else who really runs the Ukraine in their private interest. As a result he is well received by the puppets in our own government.

    Catching on yet.???

    There is something not quite on the level or on the square about what is going on out here with this conflict...and like others before it....and the average American has not a clue....not a clue.


    We have no dog in this fight...it is not our business and we do not need to be shedding more blood or material for anyone else so that they can win the absolute mastery of everything.

    We clearly have more socialists/communists here in America than over there....by the conduct of our Enlightened, Illuminated leadership.....who clearly know what kind of cars we need to be driving....versus letting the free market decide.


    Catching on yet???


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites who would get us into another conflict....another forever war.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    "Putin is being kept alive by western drugs", apparently he has Colon Cancer which has spread, medicine is being supplied by Israel, he may only have a year left, after all drugs can only do so much, they are discussing who will take over, someone just as bad no doubt.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    not so sure Chris, Zelensky was elected, I'm sure he was as surprised as anyone to get the job.
    whoever is pulling the strings and I think the Democrats have the most fingers in the pie here, Biden is no saint, but the Russians must be stopped, by whatever means sort of nuclear, or else this war will escalate and take in other countries not just Ukraine, the Baltic old soviet states for certain, Poland has been threatened along with the US and UK.
     
  13. watcherchris

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    Lonewolf,

    The USA government ...or whomever or whatever is the USA government has a long long long history of meddling in the elections and affairs of other countries....since at least post WW2 if not before.

    Read Smedley Butlers book...written before WW2.

    "War Is a Racket"

    About our military and political interference in Central and South America...before WW2

    War Is A Racket: Original Edition: Butler, Smedley D.: 9781939438584: Amazon.com: Books

    General Smedley Butler told on the internationalists ....one worlders....and how and why they work through our military to overthrow governments and rig their economies and nations.

    Not difficult to see how ,when necessary, someone would rig our own nation ...and its affairs right in front of our noses...and make it seem that it is good for all of us.



    Remember ...we Yanks stole the nation of Panama from Columbia and then built the Panama Canal.

    We interfered in the Affairs of Chile in the 1970s via the CIA and overthrew Salvador Allende...

    I keep saying that Americans know so little history...of anyone or anything...particularly about our own nation's history.
    It ought not to be this way.


    The Democrats are a clear front for the internationalists....one worlders....UN...New World Order.

    The Democrats put on a phony show...by appearing to be against the Republicans...and or manufacturing bad guys in the process of continuing this ph0ny show. The two political parties are working together behind the scenes wherein most cannot see.

    It must be made to look like a serious fight or conflict to ensnare everyone into the phony matrix.....when the two political parties are really mirror images of the same fallen corruption...and both working against the public all too often.

    Passing this latest budget in the Trillions ...once again....with the help of so many Republican votes is again clear to me that the Republicans are not conservative but concealed Democrats....Democrat Lite.

    It is the same pattern in your country ..but I believe more advanced...further along in the control/herding pattern.

    We will be made now to quickly catch up with the UK in herding our own people into the New World Order...the thousand points of light.


    We do not have a representative government here in America...it is a facade..for public appearances....we have an Occult government...hidden...concealed from the view and understanding of most people.


    The Rigging of our elections is starting to become more and more clear to thinking Americans....and with the help of rigged court systems ...it is going to come out in the open faster....to thinking Americans.

    Someone is going to have to quickly bring in digital currency ...to help with the herding/rigging of the people they need and thus further avoid going to the courts....by doing more things administratively.... justice in a file folder...administratively..not through the courts...not limited government....not Constitutional.

    This will be the end of any pretext of a Constituton.....total control of the money system...unlimited government...financially....now they can buy up any and everything....digital unlimited money creation and control. Observe Canada.

    Absolute Power....Divine Right of Kings.
    This is what Ishmaelites do...and have always done....bring people and nations back into Feudalism.

    What Biden and company have cleared up to me...proven...demonstrated ...is that the standards for President o the United States are not nearly as high as we have been misled to believe they are. I was thinking this as far back as President Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan.

    Any President who really tries to work for the American People....and do the right thing under the Constitution of the United States....for the country...will be hated and despised by this rigged system and the entire rigged system turned against them....the courts..the legislature....the media et al....et al..ad naseum....predictable....

    Understand??? Sound familiar????

    Abraham Lincoln was just such an man...to show how far back this rigged system goes.


    Read " Mr. Secretary"

    By Ben Ames Williams...the pen name for Edwin Stanton ...Lincoln's Secretary of War...who hated him.
    This book was allowed to be released to the public some 70 years after Edwin Stanton's death. And it is little known by most of the American Public...not accidental.

    Mr. Secretary: WILLIAMS, Ben Ames: Amazon.com: Books


    We will be building back.. at taxpayers' expense...whatever these Internationalists decide they need and want built back......Better??????????????????????????????????



    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    got to agree with the US govt interferring in foreign countries internal affairs, its certainly been going on since WW2 if not before, its known as "regime change" over here, interfere so you get a friendly govt instead of an unfriendly one, can see the point but its not ethical or moral.
     
  15. lonewolf

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    some newspapers this morning saying "Putin ready for peace talks" but it could just be a front for rearming and relocating troops and resources.
     
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  16. TMT Tactical

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    In my opinion, Putin is a terrorist. He continues to shell civilian cities with little or no strategic value. Just terror tactics. His peace talks are just propaganda. I do not want to see NATO missiles flying into Russia but I do want more black ops that destroy Russian infrastructure. I would also love to see the Crimea bridge get dropped into the ocean.
     
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    I don't think we need Labour for that, the current administration is well on the way to doing it.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    I dont know about that, Covid had a lot to do with the current state of affairs plus the Ukraine war.
    Labour would probably have capitulated to Putin 9 months ago.
    RMT ex general secretary on GB news this morning wants us to stop funding Ukraine and wants to abolish capitalism itself altogether , these union leaders are all commies (Mick "The Grinch" Lynch is another one) and they are funding the Labour party who are all Marxists themselves( their party anthem is "We'll keep the RED flag flying here"- that must tell us something).
     
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    Ahhhh...yes...you are correct in the usage of the term..."Regime Change." I had forgotten that Lonewolf...thanks for bringing it back into focus for me.



    TMT Tactical..


    As I am oft want to say....Americans know so little history.....even of our own nation much less any other nations and peop;les.

    I know what happened in WW2 in the cities of Dresden and Cologne...cultural cities..no military value.

    I also know that our B29 bombers switched to Incendiary bombs when we realized that conventional explosives were not sufficient for where we wanted to take the war. against Japan Incendiary weapons...fire weapons would be much more efficient in primarily wooden and paper cities....and so it was. We fire bombed Japanese Cities burning many to the ground and the civilians with it. The stories of what happened to the civilians are horrendous...if you can ever find them ...

    But one has to know some history to understand about terrorism.


    Remember something else...this Ukraine war has been going in since 2014 and mostly unknown to us in the west until the last year or two.

    Who was terrorizing who....in order to get the Russians to finally move into the Ukraine in the last year or two?? We do not find our media much covering this while they manufacture bad guys in the news...good cop/ bad cop.

    There are no good guys in this conflict which is why we need to stay out of it...lest we get in over our heads.

    We should be very very proud that when the dust settles ...someone is going to get a Wal Mart!!!! Watch for this pattern to take place..right in front of you!!!!


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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      During WW2 we did no have the sophisticated weapons of todays modern weapons. Also that was a declared war and Germany had already bombed Allied cities, London for example. Tit for Tat, with regards to our bombing their cities. Todays weapons can hit targets with almost pin point accuracy, no need to carpet bomb. Russia wants the freedom to bomb and shell cities but does not want the Ukraine to be able to do the same to them.
       
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  20. watcherchris

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    I think you miss the point...,the Ukraine was attacking, bombing, and shelling cities in the Eastern Ukraine who wanted to ally with Russia...and I mean back since 2014...not in the last couple of years or since Russia invaded. This is why Russia went in. Russia still has a doctrine called Pan Slavism.....,and not known by many in the west..
    Our phony fake media as well as fake education system do not tell us this history while priming us to go to war....,

    Most people in the West have never heard of Pan Slavism...nor the other four historical doctrines of world power.


    This is what I mean by there are no good guys in this conflict....and we need to stay out of it.

    The Ukraine is anything but a Democracy and when the Internationalists...one worlders, particularly in our fallen government, get done with us ...we too will not be a democracy ...nor a Representative Republic...and are well on our way right now.

    Right now the only one who appears to be putting a dent in this rigged show here in America is a fellow called Elon Musk.
    He is not buying into the very base nature of how this show here is rigged/censored against the American People.
    He will come under a lot of flack for trying to unrig this phony show.....as have others before him.

    Be Warned these Ishmaelites who would get us deliberately into another world war for their profit...and with our finest blood........Once again!!!!

    Be very very careful of this political game so often played on us...good cop/bad cop.
    Few notice that they are all cops...or politicians if you prefer....and will manufacture bad guys in our mind in order to herd us to one side or another...for someone's private profit and at public expense....once again. Huge blood and material sacrifices...huge.

    Want to know why you could not find ammo or reloading supplies for years now..??? Think about it. Everything is going up in price....paid for by inflated dollars....think about the nature of war materials and what is needed...how it is used and delivered for a war????
    Gunpowder and other raw materials did not just disappear...it got redirected and repurposed to other needs....just not civilian needs.

    What is going on with certain anti biotics...including fish anti biotics.???
    The list goes on.

    Keep an eye out on gasoline....there is talk about 10 dollar per gallon gasoline.

    I just do not believe war supplies will be moved to the front by electric trucks.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    The Eastern areas wanted to break away from Kyiv and start their own government, thats how all this mess started, it was a civil war and Russia had no business invading and still dosent.
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    another Russian Politician who criticized Putin found dead, another mysterious "fall from a window", lots of those happening at the moment, must be very clumsy?
     
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  23. lonewolf

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    Zelensky is no puppet, he has more balls than a lot of other leaders I could name, he had the chance to be taken somewhere safe but he refused and stayed, he can often be seen walking around danger areas, cant see Biden doing that, not that HE would know where he was or why.
     
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  24. lonewolf

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    Putin is a tyrant, a despot and a terrorist, he commands his troops to fight to the death and if any try to retreat he has them shot for cowardice, he has lost so many troops and many of their commanders- they still lead from the front-very old fashioned, and the troops have all committed war crimes, rape and murder being commonplace, whatever happens in this war, Russia should be shunned afterwards and ignored, trade of any kind should be banned under international law and all the major politicians and leaders should be classed as war criminals including Putin and Lavrov.
     
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  25. TMT Tactical

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    Chris, I don't think I missed the point, I think you did. My point is that unless a nation is attacked or invaded, it does not have the right to invade another country. Russia did not and does not have the right to invade / attack the Ukraine. Russia bombing civilians is a terror tactic. Yes the Ukrainian war has turned into a proxy war for the west. But if Russia had stayed in Russia and not invaded the Ukraine, then the military industrial groups would not be having such a very profitable field day.
     
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  26. watcherchris

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    The people of eastern Ukraine voted some time back about 2012 to go with Russia ..not the Ukraine....and this strife began soon after that. By 2014 attacks had begun by the Ukraine government against the Ukrainian people in the east who had voted to go with Russia as most of them were of Russian descent.

    It took Russia until some two years ago to step in and majorly escalate ..when this conflict had been going on since some 2014. Most of the news does not tell this side to the conflict.

    The pro Russian people in the East of the Ukraine were attacked by the Ukrainian Governmetn as far back as 2014....but this is not how your news and histoy read unless you can get out of the rigged MSM.

    Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia




    Pan Slavism.

    Pan-Slavism - Wikipedia

    Mother Russia and her position is Pan Slavism....and Mother Russia considers herself the protector of Slavs everywhere.
    This is not a new position for Russia

    Look at the Russian flag and then look at the flag of Pan Slavism...it is right out in front of us but the One worlders...the internationalist do not want us to ever make this connection and or think for ourselves while playing us with good cop/bad cop....to get us on an internationalist/one world program and away from an America First program.

    Flag of Russia - Wikipedia


    Most people today have never heard of Pan Slavism...nor Pan Germanism...nor Pan Americanism...nor Asia for the Asiatics....Nor Angle Saxon Superiority and Rule of this World...
    Russia still believes in Pan Slavism..and most of the West does not even know of it's existance.


    These are the five major ideologies of power and control in this world..from E C Knuth.....

    The Empire of "The City": The Secret History of British Financial Power: E. C. Knuth: 9781585092628: Amazon.com: Books


    This is the history of the early one world government people....and a history seldom heard or read by most people out here.



    By the way.....I am suspecting that China may be trying to carry on with the olde Asia for the Asiatics doctrines....with China at it's head.

    The olde protector of Asia for the Asiatics was Japan .before and during WW2. In like manner to Pan Slavism....Most people have also never heard of Asia for the Asiatics.


    We have no dog in this fight and this is going to go down just like Vietnam and other conflicts of past history ...with most Americans not having a clue how we got involved.
    But we are and will continue to be fleeced to pay for another nation..once again.

    Get ready to do this again ...for Taiwan...soon enough.

    This world is not at all what it appears to be on the surface.....


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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      Once again, the Russian government had no business invading, pure and simple. I don't care if some or all the Ukrainians voted to join Russia, it is not their business, it is the Ukrainians peoples business. With your logic, if the Mexican government did not like the way Mexican descendants were treated in Texas, that would give them the right to bomb Arizona.
       
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  27. watcherchris

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    TMT Tactical,

    Don't watch for that stuff...even concerning Mexico....watch the international deep state side..when you can see or find tell tale traces of it. The Ukraine is a deep state war...not an American war. We are fighting there to preserve a deep state power base entrenched in the Ukrain out of which money laundering is going on....big time.

    So too in Taiwan....

    Our problems in Mexico as well as Central America are deep state in origins....and the Deep State Hates America and Americans....until their power and monies are threatened...and then they need us...desperately...to fight to protect their power...status...while keeping concealed from the view of the average American.

    The deep state people have been running our government since before Teddy Roosevelt....without most Americans knowing it and also without the knowledge of most of the Congress.



    Special Forces Insider: The CIA Is Directing Sabotage Attacks In Russian Territory | ZeroHedge

    I suspected this was going on all along..

    The CIA is a deep state operation and appears too often to operate independent of Congress and even the President of the United States.

    There appears to have been a rift between President Trump and the CIA and a handful of other alphabet agencies....over power and control...who is the boss over this country...but seldom made public.

    Of recent the FBI also appears to be operating the same...for the Deep State and not the American People or Congress/The President.


    I believe this is one reason Trump had to go...he was working against the internationalist deep Staters...and would not follow their lead....as did other Presidents before them.

    Put another way...Trump thought he was a real President....unlike the current occupant.

    It appears that Abraham Lincoln thought similar....so too John Kennedy....and mayhap Ronald Reagan.
    I suspect that Woodrow Wilson thought he was a real President too with his fourteen points at the Versailles Peace Treaty until the internationalists got ahold of him.


    About 30 miles up interstate 64 from me outside of Williamsburg, Virginia is a very high security area...even higher security than most of the military installations around here.... called Camp Perry....most who are aware know this as "The Farm."


    I have become dubious about many of our 'Alphabet agencies...of late...and aware that there is a power struggle going on within our government, a quiet civil war if you like and in addition to our alphabet agencies...and in like manner...I am very very dubious about our Media. I believe they are deeply in bed together and often work against the public interest and for a private interest...in keeping us properly herded...like cattle.

    And that together ...they are Ishmaelite in nature....against the American people and work often to keep us herded unto private interests.
    And some of these interests....not even American..


    My point is that this war or conflict is not what is represented in our rigged news media...and soon enough we will have our troops involved on the ground...openly...just like in Vietnam and other places and times.

    Again our finest blood.


    Be Warmed these Ishmaelites,
    Watcherchris
     
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  28. lonewolf

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    I think you are wrong Chris, I dont think either the US or the UK want to put "boots on the ground" in Ukraine, that would lead to us getting directly involved in the War and would lead to WW3.
     
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  29. watcherchris

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    I am not sure you get it as well lonewolf...

    In like manner to TMT Tactical.

    What I am saying is that there is a group...an organization working within governments ..in secret ..who are the real government....and they work internationally....,.among other secret members...,and their goal is world control...of money and resources. They are loyal to no country or people..but loyal to their power and control...

    The British people and government...Parliment too,.in like manner to our government, are subject to this secret cabal..and have been for centuries....

    All these people have to do is secretly get their people into certain agencies within government..;key agencies .and they control it all.

    And I think long ago....they have overtaken the British government and some time on in events also taken over the United States government...for their purposes...power, control , profit.

    They also run your media as well as ours...and this is very very important to their control mechanism.


    Occasionally they get caught..by people who do not follow their orders....like Lincoln...like Wilson, like Trump, like Reagan...who think they are real leaders and not puppets. Thus arrangements must be made to correct this deficiency.
    But this is not how your history books read.

    In English History ...Oliver Cromwell was just such an man....leader. Caught them flatfooted..


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  30. lonewolf

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    you'll have to explain that a bit more Chris, in the UK parliament makes the laws and they are written down, we dont have a written constitution all in one place like the US does, ours are written on documents setting out the laws, so in many places. the UK govt of whatever party is in power at the time makes the rules, no one else.
    we did have a friend once who went on about "the lizard people" but then she did have cancer.
     
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    LOL LOL LOL...now you have lost me on the lizard people lonewolf!!!

    The Parliament makes the laws for the UK...fine ..no problem.

    but..........

    There is another agency within the UK who operates independent of the Parliament and the Parliament is not allowed to interfere in the affairs of the City..or even mention it in their affairs.


    I am talking about the Olde City of London under their symbolic Lord Mayor...to whom the Queen or King bows when on official business in the City.

    What is of surprise to me is that so few Americans even know of this arrangement and how it affects our policies and government. It appeaers that many Englishmen do not know about it as well.

    The City is a separate sovereign nation in England...similar to the Vatican...and most do not know this.

    I was myself surprised to learn of it...through the book by E. C. Knuth...


    The Empire of "The City": The Secret History of British Financial Power: E. C. Knuth: 9781585092628: Amazon.com: Books

    I just happened to know that the history E. C, Knuth describes in his book is correct...though I never connected the dots as did he.

    This is where I began to understand that the British did not give up slavery for any noble reasons as is in the history bo0ks....

    Instead the British merchants found a better way to make slaves..with more profit and less overhead than shipping slaves.....Opium.

    And the Opium trade is hardly covered in most history books...by design...The Opium Wars are not what we think they are.

    The Merchants of London..including Lloyds of London, Bank of England and more...control of world wide trade and or power.....the money powers....Ishmaelites.

    Watching the clock here...things to do....be back later.

    I will have to come up to speed on the lizard people.

    Watcherchris
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    Yes, there has always been people with their hidden agenda's. Cromwell was a perfect example of a fight against power brokers. Russia took the bait and attacked the Ukraine. If the west had not responded, then the power brokers would have pushed for the next invasion, until the west had to respond. Had Russia not invaded, then the power brokers would not have been able to escalate the conflict. There will always be those power brokers but it is how a nation / government responds that will determine just how successful these groups are. Turning a blind eye will only enable these power hungry people to keep trying. If no countries /nations invaded another country, then the power struggles would be limited to a national level.
     
  33. Old Geezer

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    What Lonewolf is talking about concerning the "Lizard People" is that there is this mondo-bizarro world conspiracy thing about lizard-like space aliens who control the Earth via government power-brokers. Needless to say, I've not kept up with such. So, let me go find something online.

    Found it. Here we go ...

    https://www.toptenz.net/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-reptilian-conspiracy-theory.php

    "Have you heard of the Reptile Elite?

    "No, we’re not talking about lizards driving around in fancy cars – though that’s not far off from what some people believe is happening. The concept was brought to popularity by former BBC sports writer and self-proclaimed “son of God”, David Icke in his 1999 book The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World. In the book, Icke posits that society is controlled by humanoid reptiles. For the sake of simplicity, we will call them the Reptilians. While it may sound like a wildly outlandish conspiracy theory, approximately 12 million Americans believe that it’s actually true and there is a conspiracy against humans perpetrated by the Reptilians.

    "Of course, it’s important to point out that there is only anecdotal information (at best) to back up any of these claims. So while none of it may be true, it’s still a fascinating and elaborate theory about how some people see the inner workings of the world."

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    Using lizards is a good beginning -- cold-bloodedness and all. Me, I'd go with vipers. It's profoundly believable that people in power are nests of vipers. Centralized government/power => corruption instantly begins => poisonous vipers are spawned => "We're doing this for your children". Now that is provable natural evolution right there / Human Behavior 101. Power is a psychoactive perversion poison.
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    David Icke has always been considered a bit of an idiot, a conspiracy theorist and "off his trolley", I dont think anyone with any sort of functioning brain cells believes anything he says.
     
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    Well.....this is not the Lizard people...but it is quotes from a Marine Corps Genearal ....Smedly Butler...and very very intersting for those of us who go back sufficient to know some history past ESPN and or the Kardashians.

    Here this link...


    Smedley D. Butler Quotes (Author of War is a Racket) (goodreads.com)

    Also most people and particularly Americans know nothing about this plot to overthrow our government back in the 1930s.....and I bring this up because or conditions today and where our form of government is clearly going....fascism....,feudalism....

    Did the internationalists finally reach their goals with this Administration????


    Smedley Butler and the 1930s Plot to Overthrow the President (arcadiapublishing.com)


    Try to remember this as conditions and tensions escalate in an around the Ukraine and or Taiwan. And they will.

    Also as conditions deteriorate here in America with more planned, engineered, and manufactured chaos....via intelligent, illuminated, educated, enlightened leadership....

    Watcherchris
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    it is being said Putin launched the invasion whilst suffering from Meglomania brought on by cancer drugs.
    that would explain why he made a complete hash of it.
     
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    OK, so I didn't know into which thread to post this video. I could have easily posted it in the dark humor thread ... but I'll just drop it in here.

    While reading this article (go to the source, because I only put in excerpts from articles), DO NOT BE EATING FOOD NOR DRINKING A DRINK!!! Why? You will spew when reading. :p:p:p:p:p

    There's pulling a stupid move, but this caps the stack. Ruskies gave away their positions to the Ukraine military. Old Gzr kiddest thou not!

    Fatally funny =

    "Thanks To TikTok, Ukraine Is Raining Missile On Russian Troops With Pinpoint Accuracy & To A Devastating Effect"

    https://eurasiantimes.com/thanks-to-tiktok-ukraine-is-raining-missile-on-russian-troops/

    "Ukrainian forces have been precisely targeting Russian troops, wreaking havoc on their command and control centers throughout the ongoing war.

    "However, it appears that the unapproved use of smartphones by Russian soldiers prompted Ukrainian forces to execute devastating missile attacks on the places where they were stationed.

    "Even during the initial stages of the invasion, some Russian soldiers advancing on Kyiv made telephone calls and posted videos to the social media platform TikTok, revealing their whereabouts to Ukrainian forces.

    "In early 2022, it was reported that military experts were using TikTok to track the movement of Russian tanks and other heavy armor.

    "Nearly a year later, despite a ban on personal cellphone use, Russian personnel still use them in the war zone to contact their families and put themselves in danger of Ukrainian bombings.

    "Current and former American military officials believe that some Russian generals spoke using unencrypted phones and radios early in the conflict. This allowed the Ukrainians to track down and eliminate at least one general and his staff via an intercepted call."
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    utter stupidity and lack of control by the commanders, but then the Russian invasion has been one foul up after another.
     
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    This is why I will not purchase a cell phone in which I cannot remove the battery at my discretion. Being a ham radio operator ..I figured this out years ago...about cell phones....two way radios as well.

    I also believe much of this story is a cover for what we are really doing for the Ukrainians...we are feeding them up to date intelligence information from various capabilities including satellite surveillance...to drones...and through various light spectrums....


    Seems to me that this is also how Al Queda and the Taliban were also tracked to the cave system in the mountains of Afghanistan...cell phone use.. Cell phone and radio use.


    The average cell phone user has not a clue...and you will never learn watching ESPN and or the Kardashians.

    If some of you notice....they are doing this with the new laptops......building them so that you cannot remove the batteries ...as was in the olde days. Are you using WI -Fi?? Do you really think that is not a two way street???


    BE Warned these Ishmaelites,

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    back in WW2 the Nazis managed to triangulate the French Resistance by their radio traffic, the same is said to happen nowadays with mobile phones, I am led to believe even ATM's have camera's and your card use can be tracked and CCTV is everywhere except in the smallest rural town or village, even our local corner shop has CCTV.
    it is said we in Britain are the most monitored country in the world, I would have thought that was America but what do I know.
    not so much a problem for me in the here and now, post Collapse I wont be using any phone or laptop once the power grid goes down and I wont be moving around that much either.
     
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    Big Brother can and does spy on everybody. It should be taken as a given. When people talk about civil war and setting up groups, they tend to forget just how easy it is for the government to track any form of electronic communication. Some people try to counter that point by saying they will use encryption but an encrypted message has a starting point and an ending point. You don't have to know what was said, to go look for the recipients / senders. Just ask the Russians. LOL
     
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    thats why I like the old ways, technology is so easy to track. go old school post collapse and keep a low profile. we are a long way from the centre of govt here and nothing of much worth anyway.
     
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    Some UK papers are claiming, this morning, that Putin spent Christmas "in hiding" due to the anger over the troop deaths at the school and his rebuttal blaming them for using their mobile phones.
     
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    yes, saw a photo of him pretending to pray in some church they had to open especially so he could pray alone.
    BS I dont believe Putin is the religious type.
     
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    Big Brother sez he's doing it to track potential terrorists. G. Orwell is laughing up in Heaven.

    But too, ad agency companies use personal data to target sectors of the populace to send-out advertisements for their manufacturing clients.

    I have no web on my flip-phone and only rarely text. Communications only. It's against the law, but people are on their cell phones while driving; lord only knows what they are looking at. One sees this all the time. Distracted driving causes accidents and while not as bad as drunk driving, still it is dangerous and downright stupid.

    "The Dangers of Distracted Driving"

    https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/dangers-texting-while-driving

    "Nine people are killed and more than 1,000 are injured daily in incidents reported as distraction-related crashes in the United States, according to the latest data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Association (NHTSA). In 2019, more than 3,100 people were killed in accidents attributed to distracted driving, and an estimated 400,000 people were injured in crashes involving distracted drivers in 2018.

    "Handheld cell phone use tends to be highest among 16- to 24-year-old drivers, according to NHTSA’s National Occupant Protection Use Survey (PDF)."
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    Our spy agencies/Alphabet agencies.... are more and more making a switch to not only spying on foreign nations ...but now days spying on our own people as well. Our own government is becoming more and more Ishmaelite in nature....while talking junk about other countries like Russia and or North Korea...China ...et al.

    Want to see something very very interesting....go to google earth..and look at Australia.....on a peninsula....on the north west side of Australia you are looking for a place called Exmouth....then on the very end of this pennesula....is a place called

    Naval Communications Station Harold E Hold...a very very interesting set up. From outer space it initially looks like a Russian SAM missile battery set up...but it is a long range radio monitoring station to monitor every and anything coming out of Asia and that area of the Pacific.

    I think it has been eclipsed by more modern technologies today...satellite and submarine but it is a very very interesting monitoring station when you bring it in close on Google Earth/Google Maps.


    Do you really believe all the Cell towers in your town are for cell phone use or are some of them for monitoring????
    Monitoring everything and anything in the local airwaves????

    Or as the Olde Ones told and taught me ....many many years ago....the enemy of the Russian Government is their own people....
    It is their own people they need to control and are the greatest threat to that government.
    That government too often uses and misuses the manufactured fear of our government to help them keep their people properly in line.'

    And so to it is with our own government using and misusing the Russians or any other manufactured bad guys to keep our people properly afraid and in their control....
    Our government is running the same scam on us as is the Russian government/Chinese, Korean and other governments on their own people to keep them properly herded and in line.

    Do you really believe touch tone phones were put in to help you dial faster????
    Or to read the digital numbers you are dialing ...much faster than the olde rotary system???


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites in our own government.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    And in China:

    "China's 'social credit' system ranks citizens and punishes them with throttled internet speeds and flight bans if the Communist Party deems them untrustworthy"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?op=1

    The Chinese Communist Party has been constructing a moral ranking system for years that will monitor the behavior of its enormous population — and rank them all based on their "social credit."

    "The 'social credit system,' first announced in 2014, is 'an important component part of the Socialist market economy system and the social governance system' and aims to reinforce the idea that 'keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful,' according to a 2015 government document.

    "The rankings are decided by China's economics planning team, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the People's Bank of China, and the Chinese court system, according to the South China Morning Post.

    "The system can be used for individual people, but also for companies and government organizations. The private sector, including the burgeoning tech world in China, has their own non-governmental scoring systems that they implement, as Wired reported."
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    we once many years ago took a trip down to Goonhilly (UK spy agency) in Cornwall, the satellite dishes to my surprise were not turned towards Russia or China but were turned inland! shows how naive I was back then.
     
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    The mass rapes of women by Russian rear-echelon troops is well documented, yet rarely spoken about. Many of the rear-echelon came from Central Asia, the Kazakhs who speak Turkic and are of the Muslim religion. During the time of WWII, the USSR had incorporated the provinces of Central Asia. Currently, these provinces are their own separate countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia

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    Russians of Russian origin were not the worst of the rapists; they went about killing as many civilian males (incl. boys) as they could.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany


    "A woman who lived in Berlin recalled:

    "The front-line Russian troops who did the fighting – as a woman, you didn't have to be afraid of them. They shot every man they saw, even old men and young boys, but they left the women alone. It was the ones who came afterwards, the second echelon, who were the worst. They did all the raping and plundering. They stripped homes of every single possession, right down to the toilets.

    "Many women would claim they were raped but their accounts described the rapist as looking Asian or Mongolian. German women uniformly described the rapist in racialist terms by claiming they were never blond but consistently "of Mongolian or Asiatic type".[41][42][43] The stereotype of the 'hordes of Mongolian savages,' eager to murder, pillage, destroy and rape, had been propagandated by the Nazi authorities to mobilize people for the fight against the Soviet offensive.[42]

    "Nevertheless, some evidence of Central Asian troops committing rape in Berlin was recorded. In April 1945, Magda Wieland took shelter in the cellar of her apartment house. She described that the first Soviet soldier to find her was a young 16 year-old Central Asian male, who raped her.[44] It was reported that a Soviet commander was greatly embarrassed by wholesale rape of German women by ethnic Kazakh soldiers who were by far the worse offenders and were described as being Mongol Hordes.[45][46] Another recorded case involves German director Schmidt, who burst into Villa Franka, and yelled at Russian commander Isayev 'Your soldiers are raping German women!'. The raped German victim pointed at a Kazakh soldier being the perpetrator, and was arrested at the spot. The Kazakh soldier in return claimed he wanted revenge against the Germans who killed his two brothers in battle.[47]

    "The first Soviet troops to fight in Berlin consisted mostly of Mongolians.[48] Even the young German-Jewish fugitive Inge Deutschkron, described her first 'Russian' as small, with crooked legs and 'a typical mongolian face with almond eyes and high cheekbones'.

    "Beevor exemplifies that with his discovery that Soviet troops also raped Soviet and Polish girls and women that were liberated from Nazi concentration camps as well as those who were held for forced labour at farms and factories. The rapes were often perpetrated by rear echelon units."

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    Rear-echelon behavior:

    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/wretched-misconduct-of-the-red-army/

    "But for many of the men and women who would ultimately be a part of the Soviet Union’s military, personal recollections of their wartime service inevitably touched on these uncomfortable subjects. While they remembered the German invasion in 1941, they remembered it in conflicting ways. One soldier recalled that 'German field units did not engage in any particular abuses,' but that rear-echelon units 'were abominable.'

    "In terms of the overall scale of the crime, there was nothing like it elsewhere in Germany. Comparison to the 'surprisingly high' incidence of rape in areas overrun by the U.S. Army was superficial at best. In terms of intensity and brutality, only French colonial troops from Morocco matched the Red Army’s rapacity. During the initial occupation of Baden and Württemburg, they subjected German women to the same indiscriminate sexual assaults seen in the East. Although the Soviet Union was not alone in committing sexual crimes against German women, it did so with a vastness unmatched elsewhere in World War II. "

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    The French Army's Moroccan troops were also savage:

    "Marocchinate"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

    "Marocchinate (pronounced [marokkiˈnaːte]; Italian for 'Moroccans' deeds') is a term applied to the mass rape and killings committed during World War II after the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. These were committed mainly by the Moroccan Goumiers, colonial troops of the French Expeditionary Corps (FEC),[1] commanded by General Alphonse Juin, and mostly targeted civilian women and girls (as well as a few men and boys) in the rural areas of Southern Lazio, between Naples and Rome. Mass rapes continued across all the campaign including several locations in Tuscany: Siena, ad Abbadia S. Salvatore, Radicofani, Murlo, Strove, Poggibonsi, Elsa, S. Quirico d’Orcia, Colle Val d’Elsa.

    "Goumiers were colonial irregular troops forming the Goums Marocains, which were approximately company-sized units rather loosely grouped in Tabors (battalions) and Groupes (regiments). Three of the units, the 1st, 3rd and 4th Groupements de Tabors, served in the FEC along with the four regular divisions: the 1st Free French Division, the 2nd Moroccan Infantry Division, the 3rd Algerian Infantry Division and the 4th Moroccan Mountain Division. The Goums Marocains were commanded by General Augustin Guillaume.

    "Regular Moroccan troops (tirailleurs marocains) also served in Italy but under tighter discipline and with a higher proportion of officers than the irregular goumiers."

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    Map of Central Asia:

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