War In Ukraine

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  1. lonewolf

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    I don't believe a lot of what is being posted in the news here in the west about what is going on in the Ukraine.....lonewolf...

    I am very careful about what in the news ...and something I learned from being a shortwave listener ....here in America ...and now a Ham radio operator.

    I have known for many many years now how rigged our media is in the west while talking junk about others ..particularly the Russians...

    Our government and media today is severely compromised by China as far as I am concerned.

    And someone is playing good cop/bad cop with us ..over this war..like other wars......and I don't buy into it.


    But when this is over....we Americans need to be proud.......as when the dust settles....the Ukraine will get Wal Marts across their land...

    How about Tescos??

    We can feel good about ourselves...!!!

    Anyone talking about the bio labs...and nuclear labs that America installed over in the Ukraine...or has that been lost in the war clutter/propaganda???? And is this an accident or a plan????


    We can still feel good about ourselves...!!!


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    whatever we believe and dont believe, and yes I think it is wise to read between the lines of all the news reports, I think that the Russian forces around Bakhmut are suffering from lack of equipment and ammunition, there is talk of Russian conscripts running away-if they can- and cowering in trenches if they cant as the Ukraine forces make breakthroughs on the flanks, seems some of the Missiles that Britain supplied are being put to good use.
    Wagner commander is calling Putin all manner of names, looks like he might be another one who has an "accident" or "sudden heart attack" soon!!!
     
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    Sounds like the Russian Supply system is very corrupt....ie.....Fallen..


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  6. lonewolf

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    the Russian supply chain is broken.
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    it just shows that Russia is still using old WW2 tactics in the 21st century.
     
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    Most of the Soviet troops who raped German women were described as "Asian". East Germans stated after the war that the white Soviet troops (first echelon) were bent on killing all the males who could potentially fight -- even teenagers and the elderly. The mass rapes were committed by the second echelon troops most of whom were from Central Asian Soviet republics (Turkic-speaking, plus Siberian soldiers having Mongol blood lines).

    https://www.quora.com/Were-2-million-German-women-raped-by-Russian-or-by-Asian-Soviet-soldiers

    "Atina Grossman in her article in 'October'[40]Many women with abortions would claim they were raped but their accounts surprisingly described the rapist as looking Asian or Mongolian. German women uniformly described the rapist in racialist terms by claiming they were never blond but consistently 'of Mongolian or Asiatic type'.[43]

    "Evidence of Central Asian troops committing rape in Berlin was recorded. In April 1945, Magda Wieland took shelter in the cellar of her apartment house. She described that the first Soviet soldier to find her was a young 16 year-old Central Asian male, who raped her.[44]


    "The first Soviet troops to fight in Berlin consisted mostly of Mongolians, who were very unkempt and sloppy and had Asian features. [45]

    "Even the Young German-Jewish fugitive Inge Deutschkron, described her first "Russian" as small, with crooked legs and "a typical mongolian face with almond eyes and high cheekbones".

    "Accounts of rape of German women by the Mongolians were also recorded. For example, a letter from July 24, 1945 by a German female victim stated:

    1. "I hereby certify that at the end of April this year during the Russian march into Berlin I was raped in a loathsome way by two Red Army soldiers of Mongol/Asiatic type."[46]
     
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    "Putin now has 'no option' but to use tactical NUKES in Ukraine to cripple Kyiv's counter-offensive, says Kremlin's ex space agency chief who is now serving on the front line"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aine-says-Kremlins-ex-space-agency-chief.html

    " Dmitry Rogozin - a former deputy prime minister - called for use of tactical nukes
    " His alarming statements come just one day after a drone attack on the Kremlin

    "A prominent Russian politician who once commanded Russia's Space Agency has said Vladimir Putin now has 'no option' but to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

    "Dmitry Rogozin - the former head of Roscosmos who also served as deputy prime minister - declared that Moscow is facing defeat in its war with Kyiv unless the dictator unleashes his atomic weapons in a recent video.

    "'It must be said that under our doctrine we have every right to use tactical nuclear weapons,' said Rogozin, who was dressed in military fatigues with a customised AK-47 assault rifle slung over his shoulder.

    "'That is precisely what they are there for — this great equaliser.

    "'For now, there is a clear disparity in the forces and conventional weapons in favour of the enemy,' he said, pointing to the West's support of Ukraine's war effort.

    "'Therefore the best method to destroy [Ukraine's] counter-offensive is to use tactical nuclear weapons, with understandable consequences, of course.

    "'I think there is no other option at the moment.'

    "Until last year, Rogozin was in charge of testing Putin's range of giant nuclear weapons - the 'Satan 2' or 'Sarmat' intercontinental ballistic missile - and Moscow's array of space satellites.

    "But he has since become a mouthpiece for the Russian war effort, appearing in images and videos ostensibly from close to the front lines in Russian-held territory in Ukraine.

    "With the war in Ukraine now well into its second year, Putin has begun upping the ante - scrapping the only remaining nuclear arms treaty with the US, and most recently vowing to send nukes to Belarus.

    "Russia has conducted a series of missile launches in recent months, including this ICBM launch last month

    "Moscow is now planning to launch a new Pacific fleet of submarines that will carry lethal Poseidon nuclear missiles as early as next year.

    "Moscow said in January that it had produced the first set of the devastating Poseidon weapons - a blend of torpedo and drone - four years after Putin announced the fundamentally new type of strategic nuclear weapon, confirming it would have its own nuclear power supply."

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    Military experts admit that the Poseidon missiles (pictured) could destroy the UK's coastal cities, cause radioactive floods and kill millions of people in London
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    "Putin's Poseidon and the Radioactive Tidal Wave of Death"

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-poseidon-nuclear-torpedo-tsunami-1774946

    "Russia has made its first batch of nuclear-capable torpedoes that are said to be so powerful they could cause radioactive ocean swells and huge nuclear tsunamis that could destroy coastal cities in the U.S. or its allies.

    "The Poseidon torpedoes are due to be delivered to the special-purpose nuclear-powered submarine Belgorod, reported Russian state news agency TASS on Monday.

    "A pro-Vladimir Putin TV host, Dmitry Kiselyov, said in May last year that these torpedoes would be capable of causing a 500-meter [1,640 feet] high tidal wave of radioactive seawater, and that they could 'plunge Britain into the depths of the sea'."

    "There is no nuclear weapon technology that doesn't pose a risk to human and ecological health," Danielle Endres, an environmental communication professor at the University of Utah, told Newsweek.

    " 'While a 'Nuclear Ocean Swell' sounds plenty horrifying, it would be distinct from an on-land detonation in that there would be no fire storms to loft soot into the stratosphere and thus no climate impact,' Tyler Rohr, a chemical oceanographer and biogeochemical modeller at the University of Tasmania in Australia, told Newsweek.

    " 'We know that from quite a lot of work which was actually done again back in the crazy days of the Cold War about doing this very thing, and creating tsunamis with nuclear weapons,' Hambling said.

    " 'It turns out you need a vast amount of energy to do that—even more than you can get out of a nuclear blast. If it's moved into a harbor and detonated very close offshore, it would certainly be able to destroy a city. But it probably wouldn't damage much beyond that, and it certainly wouldn't do as much damage as a large nuclear airburst.' "
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    Old Gzr: If used in tsunami mode, the Russian sub would launch from a long distance (these monster torpedoes have their own power-plant), the subs would then scoot and go deep. To cause a tsunami the torpedo would have to get close to the coast where a naval base was located. The resulting tidal wave would do massive damage to the naval base but wouldn't cause a horrific amount of fallout. Fallout would occur, but nothing like a ground attack.

    Launching missiles cause a massive flame at launch, plus a plume trail. Our satellites would almost instantly detect a missile launch. A nuclear torpedo sent out undersea, we may not detect that. I'm sure our Navy is working on detection, but given an anomalous sound detection, would we attempt to intercept, could we intercept, would we launch a retaliation based on some sound signature? We would retaliate with missiles and Russia would take-out what they could with their space-based weapons.
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    "Ukraine Expands Weapons Training For Children As Bakhmut Reportedly Falls"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ns-training-children-bakhmut-reportedly-falls

    "Of course, Ukraine has also been involved in weapons training for children and these efforts have only increased in recent months as the city of Bakhmut, an epicenter of the fighting for many months, has reportedly fallen to Russia's Wagner Group. CNBC has briefly reported on the “Defense of Ukraine” program at the military-patriotic center for schoolchildren in Lviv. The center was opened this month with plans to open dozens of other training facilities for children across the country in the near future.

    "The western city of Lviv has been a primary relocation point for children escaping the war in the east, so it's not surprising that the Ukrainian government would seek young recruits for the war effort there.

    "The issue is not so much the training as it is the double standard - Russia institutes weapons training classes for kids and it's insidious indoctrination. Ukraine does it and it's 'patriotic.' "


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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrainian-nationalist-camp-training-kids-to-kill/

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    I figured we were doing research in the Ukraine at many of these facilities which could not be done here in the states under certain rules and regulations.

    I also figure that if the Ukraine is arming children they are losing big time...as were the Germans in WW2. Not what they want you to hear in the news..but it does not take much acumen to figure it out.


    Be warned these Ishmaelites in our news media ...who have been proven to lie to us ...over and over and over....and about a great man things in and about this world.

    I am thinking that there are going to be ...if not already ...a huge lot of Ukrainian women without men....without fathers....

    Similar to Yugoslavia....and what happened there...

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  16. Old Geezer

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    On the surface, the labs are a payoff to the Ukrainian rulers for their kickbacks to the biden boys.

    The dark truth could be that Ukraine was/is meaning to develop biologic weapons to be used against Russia if all else fails. Ukraine supposedly has no nukes. How to fight back when Russia uses its tactical nukes? Respond with biological warfare.
     
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    "Seymour Hersh: The Ukraine Refugee Question"

    https://scheerpost.com/2023/05/19/seymour-hersh-the-ukraine-refugee-question/

    Ukraine's neighbors push for Zelensky to pursue peace as millions of displaced people flow into Europe.

    "Last Saturday the Washington Post published an exposé of classified American intelligence documents showing that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, working behind the back of the Biden White House, pushed hard earlier this year for an expanded series of missile attacks inside Russia. The documents were part of a large cache of classified materials posted online by an Air Force enlisted man now in custody. A senior official of the Biden administration, asked by the Post for comment on the newly revealed intelligence, said that Zelensky has never violated his pledge never to use American weapons to strike inside Russia. In the view of the White House, Zelensky can do no wrong.

    "Zelensky’s desire to take the war to Russia may not be clear to the president and senior foreign policy aides in the White House, but it is to those in the American intelligence community who have found it difficult to get their intelligence and their assessments a hearing in the Oval Office. Meanwhile, the slaughter in the city of Bakhmut continues. It is similar in idiocy, if not in numbers, to the slaughter in Verdun and the Somme during World War I. The men in charge of today’s war—in Moscow, Kiev, and Washington—have shown no interest even in temporary ceasefire talks that could serve as a prelude to something permanent. The talk now is only about the possibilities of a late spring or summer offensive by either party.

    "But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.

    "This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.

    "One of the driving forces for the quiet European talks with Zelensky has been the more than five million Ukrainians fleeing from the war who have crossed the country’s borders and have registered with its neighbors under an EU agreement for temporary protection that includes residency rights, access to the labor market, housing, social welfare assistance, and medical care. ...

    "A February analysis of the European refugee issue by the Council on Foreign Relations found that 'tens of billions of dollars' in humanitarian aid were poured into Ukraine’s neighbors during the war’s first year. 'As the conflict enters its second year with no end in sight,' the report says, 'experts worry that host countries are growing fatigued.'

    "And Zelensky wants more, the official said. 'Zelensky is telling us that if you want to win the war you’ve got to give me more money and more stuff. He tells us, ‘I’ve got to pay off the generals.’ He’s telling us'—if he is forced out of office—'he’s going to the highest bidder. He’d rather go to Italy than stay and possibly get killed by his own people.'

    “ 'All of this talk is being reported and is now flying around inside the American intelligence community, but, as usual,' the official said, 'it’s not clear to the intelligence community what the president and his foreign policy aides in the White House know of the reality' of the European discussion about finding a way to end the war. 'We are still training Ukrainians how to fly our F-16s that will be shot down by Russia as soon as they get into the war zone. The mainstream press is dedicated to Biden and the war and Biden is still talking about the Great Satan in Moscow while the Russian economy is doing great. Putin can stay where he is'—in power—'despite his failure to wipe Ukraine off the map as an independent state. And he thought he would win the war with just one airborne division'—a sardonic reference to Russia’s failed effort in the first days of the war to seize a vital airport by parachuting in an attack force.

    “ 'Europe’s problem,' the official said, in terms of getting a quick settlement to the war, 'is that the White House wants Zelensky to survive while there are others'—in Russia and in some European capitals—'who say Zelensky has got to go, no matter what,'

    "It’s not clear that this understanding has gotten to the Oval Office. I have been told that some of the better intelligence about the war does not reach the president, through no fault of those who prepare the often contrary assessments. Biden is said to rely on briefings and other materials prepared by Avril Haines, director of National Intelligence, since the Biden Administration came into office. She has spent much of her career working for Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, whose ties to Biden and agreement with him on matters pertaining to Russia and China go back decades

    "The one saving grace for some in the community, I have been told, has been CIA Director William Burns. Burns was ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary of State and is seen as someone “who has come around” in opposition to some of the White House’s foreign policy follies. 'He doesn’t want to be a rat on a sinking ship,' the official told me."

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  18. lonewolf

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    call on Russian State TV channel for Putin to be replaced in next years elections.
     
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    "Putin Reveals New Details On Positioning Tactical Nukes In Belarus"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-reveals-new-details-positioning-tactical-nukes-belarus

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    Russia's President Vladimir Putin has given new details concerning his order to move tactical nuclear weapons into Belarus. Prior and somewhat ambiguous statements from Putin as well as top Kremlin and Belarusian officials had suggested that nukes could already be in Belarus. These past statements have also been subject of widespread speculation and misinterpretation in Western press reports, which was perhaps purposeful on the part of Moscow, or part of strategic ambiguity.

    But on Friday Putin clarified the timeline, after he first announced all the way back in March that Russian tactical nukes would be stationed in close neighboring ally Belarus. He told Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko at a meeting Sochi that tactical nuclear weapons will be deployed in Belarus after hosting facilities are ready on July 7-8.

    "So everything is according to plan, everything is stable," Putin said according to a Kremlin readout.

    "Preparation of the relevant facilities ends on July 7-8, and we will immediately begin activities related to the deployment of appropriate types of weapons on your territory," Putin said, to which Lukashenko responded, "Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich."

    Reuters points out the relevant context as follows:

    More than 15 months into the biggest land war in Europe since World War Two, Putin says the United States and its Western allies are pumping arms into Ukraine as part of an expanding proxy war aimed at bringing Russia to its knees.

    Only a mere months ago mainstream media sources and the major news networks, echoing top US officials, rejected the idea that the conflict is indeed a major proxy war pitting NATO against Moscow, with Ukrainians in the middle.

    But now the tone of MSM reporting has clearly shifted and changed to that of belatedly acknowledging the US-NATO's outsized role in determining the course of the war...

    Biden administration acknowledges it keeps crossing Putin’s red lines because he hasn’t launched a nuclear response yet. https://t.co/bmNOu3Ifzf

    — Max Abrahms (@MaxAbrahms) June 1, 2023
    As for the early July timetable on the arms transfers, reportedly the land-based short-range nuclear missiles will remain under Russian control and oversight while being hosted at Belarusian bases.


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    Destroy cables, destroy Western economies ... trillions of dollars worth

    "Senior Russian Official: Putin Has Green Light To Sever Undersea Commo Cables"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...n-has-green-light-sever-undersea-commo-cables

    "Following reports attributing the September destruction of Russia's Nord Stream gas pipelines to the Ukrainian or US government, the deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council has declared that President Vladimir Putin should feel free to sever undersea communication cables of the country's 'enemies.'

    " 'If we proceed from the proven complicity of Western countries in blowing up the Nord Streams, then we have no constraints - even moral - left to prevent us from destroying the ocean floor cable communications of our enemies,' said Dmitry Medvedev on Telegram. Medvedev was Russia's president from 2008 to 2012 and is a close ally of Putin.

    "The oceans are a target-rich environment. More than 400 undersea cables carry more than 95% of international internet traffic. 'Altogether, they carry an estimated 10 trillion U.S. dollars worth of financial transactions every day, so these cables really are an economic linchpin,' said Cattler.

    "Contradicting Western propaganda narratives that Russia destroyed its own source of economic leverage over Europe, recent months have seen reports that either the US or Ukrainian governments blew up the pipelines.

    "The prospect of a Russian attack on Western communications infrastructure -- in retaliation for what was likely a Western-conducted or Western-encouraged attack on a Russian gas pipeline -- is the latest reminder that all of us are constantly at risk of being victimized by wars our government provokes with utter disregard for the consequences. "
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  21. lonewolf

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    Putin gave the order to invade Ukraine, he has only himself to blame.
    of course he is paranoid and probably dosent know what is real and what is propaganda.
     
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    "Pentagon Happens to Find ‘Accounting Error’ Allowing Another $6.2 Billion for Ukraine"

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/...ror-allowing-another-6-2-billion-for-ukraine/

    "The discovery also just happened to occur towards the end of the fiscal year, and Congress doesn’t have as much money on hand to dole out.

    "President Joe Biden has sent around $35 billion to Ukraine in almost 18 months. Imagine how many people that money could feed here in America."

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    https://www.nokidhungry.org/who-we-are/hunger-facts

    "There is no possible excuse for children to go hungry in this country. Yet it happens - every day, in every community.

    "According to the latest estimates, as many as 9 million children in the United States live in 'food insecure' homes. That phrase may sound mild, but it means that those households don't have enough food for every family member to lead a healthy life.

    "The number of children living with hunger had fallen steadily over the past decade, but the coronavirus pandemic dealt a terrible blow to our progress as a nation - one that No Kid Hungry and other organizations will work to reverse during the long recovery ahead."
     
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  23. lonewolf

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    it looks like there is a civil war starting in Russia, the Wagner group vs the official military command.
    the Wagner group say they have crossed the Russian border and have taken over a Russian military HQ in the South of the country. Moscow is on red alert.
     
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    Wagner convoy now heading towards Moscow-200 odd miles North. Russian oil depot is in flames.
    Moscow is surrounded with checkpoints and roadblocks.
    I am also informed many of the Russian troops in Ukraine are suffering with Cholera.
    maybe these things will help the Ukrainian counter offensive.
    Some reports are even saying Putin has fled Moscow-which of course the Kremlin is denying, Russian plane thought to be carrying Putin turned off its transponder.
    some Russian officials have left Moscow and flown to St. Petersburg .
    flights out of the city have now sold out.
     
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    This development is the one to really worry about in terms of international security IMO
     
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  26. Old Geezer

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    Wars are horrific when people are semi-sane.

    When leaders begin losing their tempers, then chaos and insanity enter the picture.

    It's bad enough with conventional weapons being in the theater of conflict. With field-grade nukes having been moved out there, the situation could be grave.

    The nukes could be in Belarus. The president of Belarus is trying to broker a deal and may have already done so. This is something positive. We read that the Wagner forces have halted their movement towards Moscow.

    I've been on the road for the past couple of days (700 miles) connecting with family & friends. I've not been keeping up with the news, not even listening to the radio. I'd seen where the Wagner commander had broken with the Kremlin.

    Dear Lord, I hope Western Europe and what's left of America is staying out of this cluster-####. Western Europe should be INCREASING agriculture and oil exploration, not kowtowing to the Leftist flakes. Meantime, we in the West also need to be dumping resources into building cleaner and cleaner nuclear energy, NOT sending weapons of war into testosterone-driven psycho-countries in Eastern Europe. This crap is on Putin and the corrupt government in Ukraine -- not us.

    Clean nuclear energy is the future. We'll use carbon-based energy to get us to the point of switch-over to nuclear. China on the other hand couldn't care less about how much carbon dioxide they dump into the atmosphere.

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      "Prigozhin 'Exiled' To Belarus In Exchange For Peace, Criminal Charges Dropped: What Was This All About?

      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...reason-betrayal-clashes-erupt-southern-russia

      "Update(1735ET): This entirely bizarre slightly less than 24-hour short-lived coup attempt has just gotten even stranger, given the terms of the truce which evidently caused Evgeny Prigozhin to announce his Wagner fighter columns would turn around and go back to their bases.

      "The Wall Street Journal has confirmed based on Kremlin statements that 'As part of the agreement, Prigozhin will leave Russia for Belarus, and criminal charges against him will be dropped, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. His fighters will be allowed to sign contracts with the Russian military.' "
       
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    sure fizzled out quickly, obviously some deal was done, some experts say this has still weakened Putin the fact that it was allowed to get this far.
    not sure what affect this may have on the war.
     
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    That's just three miles up the road from me :D
     
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      Y'know, I would that I could get rifles and ammo over to y'all.

      It's 60%+ likely relatively safe, yours. Nevertheless, when matters go sideways in a nation, all bets are off. Me, I'd like to see your culture continue. Me, I loathe trespassers. What gargantuan egos these interlopers possess! "The weak Brits will support me!"

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  29. Old Geezer

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    Man, you're down there on the tippy-tip of the SouthWest.
     
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  30. lonewolf

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    Putin is now seen as weak and vulnerable, not the invincible leader he tries to portray, doing deals with mutineers rather than taking them on, there could be other threats to his regime, Wagner is not the only private army in Russia.
    some sort of coup is always possible, Russian history is full of such events, possibly from one of the Elites within Putin's inner circle.
     
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    it took a long time to get some Nazis out of South America and to the Hague, (Klaus Barbie was not extradited from Bolivia until 1983), many were sheltered by corrupt governments and the same could happen here, I'm sure Putin has enough money stashed away to bribe them many times over.
     
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    yes, its a good place to be, far away from all the nonsense in Westminster, London.
     
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    who would take him in? anywhere that is anti the West, China, Iran, North Korea for a start, probably a few others, Syria, Sudan, parts of Africa, Zimbabwe govt would do anything for money, South Africa too.
     
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    Zimbaz and the RSA would not take him in, doubt China would either, North Korea might but anywhere else and he's in drone/cruise missile/special forces range.

    I doubt he'll get out of Russia with a pulse.
     
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    Biden and mental sharpness are not words that go together!!!
     
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    lets hope so.
     
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    I am wondering if the real purpose of the Ukraine War is to destabilize Russia and get Putin out...and a Deep State Puppet into the leadership position in Russia ....just as we have here in the United States...a Deep State Puppet.


    I think someone wants Putin out in like manner to how the same bunch wanted Trump out and still want Trump out of their money/power/herding machine. America last and eventually Russia Last too.


    How much monies do you think are going out of the USA to support Climate Change??? And I think this figure is going to grow......big time.....and I mean big time!!!!


    I think Climate Change is another manufactured Bad Guy of which people need to be made to be afraid....as they are doing with both Trump and Putin. Manufactured Bad Guys in our rigged news media...and manufactured bad by the Deep State through their puppet system....putting America last place while fleecing the choicest cuts off the buffet line.


    I think that to keep this rigged system going....Americans are going to be required to take a significant dip in our standard of living.....while working and taking risks for first place and coming in second, third, and fourth place...in this rigged bee hive system. Distracted by manufactured bad guys..Good Cop/Bad Cop.

    The Bee Hive System......This is not the US Constitutional System.....


    By the way......did not a bunch of monies go missing in the long running Iraq....Afghanistan War as well???
    Do we have another rat in the nest or is it the same rat/rats???

    Is the Pentagon now become a money laundering place???s You know...like an offshore bank???


    Someone certainly did launder a lot of military equipment when we pulled out of Afghanistan..!!!

    Did we just arm our next enemy ...or do they secretly work for the Deep State to keep competitors out of their newly developed country...resources.????

    Essentially putting Afghanistan...into storage...and competitors out. You know.....like we did in Vietnam.!!??

    Laundering money and lives.!!!


    You gotta break some egg shells to make an omelet.

    Is someone now planning to do similar with Russia???


    Ishmaelites?????


    Just my non Ishmaelite 02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  43. lonewolf

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    there is only one person responsible for the Ukraine war and that is war criminal Vladimir Putin, none of this was necessary.
    as for Climate Change and Zero Carbon, in a country like Britain which only emits 1% of the global carbon they are trying to make the population all electric for no reason at all, China is the main culprit of carbon release and they wont stop anytime soon. so its all a waste of time and money.
     
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    Bottom line for me is that no matter how corrupt the Ukrainian government might be, if Putin had not invaded, then the PTB would not have been able to channel all that money into Ukraine. By invading the Ukraine, Putin played right into the power mongers hands. Now we are all getting screwed. The Russian economy is slowly tanking. Ukrainian infrastructure is being destroyed. The Free world governments are spending trillions and only the PTB people are getting any benefits. SIASD!
     
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    The Ukrainian situation and struggle has been going on since back about 2014....as a result of in 2012...the Eastern part of Ukraine being mostly Russian and voting to side with Russia.

    By 2014 this resulted in attacks by western Ukrainians into the Eastern Ukraine against the people and areas ...who decided to side with Russia.

    This information and knowledge is being hidden by the media and leadership in the West..for political purposes.

    The Russians did not do much until some 2 years ago...but this business started getting violent in 2014......

    By that time the Russians were getting tired and disgusted with what was happening and began to mobilize on the border.


    But remember ...this has been going on since 2014....not just in the last couple of years.


    One of the problems is that most of the high tech modern industries in the Ukraine are in the Russian Areas....Eastern Ukraine.


    Also.....I do not believe what is being repeated here....about what is going on in the war....the Ukrainians are losing big time...and we are being lied to about this war.....and even lied to about NATO and their involvement in this war.


    I believe that this Zelensky fellow is a puppet ...just like our President....and controlled by someone not wanting to be seen or known .... behind the scenes.

    We are being lied to big time about this war......BIG TIME!!!!

    Very much like other wars before this one ....lied to ....

    Be Warned these Ishmaelites....


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    the 2014 part is well known, unfortunately the West did nothing which emboldened Putin to think he could go further and invade.
     
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    Disagree......the 2014 part is not well known...particularly by Americans....accustomed to being played by leadership stuck on Good Cop/Bad Cop. Americans can be some kind of dumb and gullible.

    Putin invaded to protect the Russians living in the Eastern part of the nation.


    I also know that both the Ukrainians and the Russians are Slavs....and this war of fighting other Slaves does not set well with many Russians


    Remember something.....

    Putin and the Russians went into Kazakhstan and reset that government and left/departed....after removing many of the Deep State players trying to overtake that country as well. He left.

    I do not believe that Putin wants to destroy the Ukraine....or do I believe the Good Cop/ Bad Cop nonsense being played here on Americans.

    We Americans have no dog in this struggle.....but the Deep State does....NATO is Deep State....


    We are being lied to about this war and what is going on.

    I believe Putin knows he is fighting the Deep State......just as did Trump.......


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites...


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  49. lonewolf

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    Americans might not know much about 2014 but its well known in Europe and Britain.
    the Ukrainians in the East might have felt Russian and they might speak Russian but Putin hasnt treated them any different because of it, they are still being treated badly by Russia and even worse since the invasion began.
    Putin's original intent with the invasion might have been to take over the country and put in a puppet regime but things have gone so badly that the intent is now to bomb the place flat and have a destroyed country as a buffer zone between Russia and Nato.
     
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