War In Ukraine

The Ukrainians were attacking the Russian people living in the Eastern Ukraine......since back in 2014......and Russia did nothing until some 2 years ago.....not sure what many are thinking here....but all the people wanted in the Eastern Ukraine was a fair shake...and were not getting it from the very very corrupt Ukrainian Government.

I think the very very corrupt Ukrainian Government is a perfect fit for the Biden Administration...and their groupies.....PERFECT!!!


I also think that once again...we in America are on the wrong side of this conflict......and need to get out.

Agree with Trump...to get out and stop the killing. Someone out here is making a huge profit off all these deaths...huge..

There are going to be a huge huge number of Ukrainian women without men.......like in Yugoslavia and Croatia....in the 1990s.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Ukraine, where Russian is the spoken language:

 

General Patton after WWII wanted to keep marching on to Russia and destroy the Soviets.

Eisenhower being the wiser man knew that history repeatedly demonstrates that Eastern Europe has always been a hell-hole of death and destruction.

General Douglas MacGregor is another man of wisdom. He not only understands world history, he also knows the history of the current Ukraine regime and the military industrial complex Russia still has, is still using. Russia is selling oil to China. That Russia and China cooperating should give everyone moment of pause.

Russia in its invasion was seeking a compromise in which it would gain maybe 4 provinces, likely only 2 maybe 3. Now that corrupted governments in the West have gotten into bed with the Ukraine regime, the Russian military leadership in the Kremlin have had their hands forced to fight back harder than they intended. So now, Ukraine is a killing-field and guess who has the men and the might. It isn't Ukraine -- their own people are fleeing.

If the West is seeking a WWIII, then they are right on course.
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"Moscow Needs a Military Grandstander to Deflect From Prigozhin; Enter Ramzan Kadyrov"

https://sofmag.com/kadyrov-kremlin-grandstander/

"Now that Yevgeny Prigozhin has been permanently silenced, Moscow needs to deflect from his legacy with a fresh military grandstander delivering Kremlin-friendlier content – and has handed the mic to former Prigozhin rival Ramzan Kadyrov.

"Kadyrov is a logical choice, if you are Vladimir Putin. Like Prigozhin, the Chechen warlord is a big personality who draws attention when he speaks. Unlike the former Wagner leader, though, Kadyrov is predictably loyal to the Kremlin and to Russia’s Ministry of Defense. Hence, he is allowed to take the stage.

"Kadyrov has made opportune use of his new platform, announcing Kremlin-boosting battlefield victories and defeats. He wrote on Sunday that Russian forces repelled a Ukrainian attack in Donetsk; and said on Saturday that large numbers of Ukrainian forces were killed there in combat.

"Kadryov additionally said that Ukrainian troops are giving up the fight.

“ 'This situation is making many of them pause and think and make the only right choice to lay their arms down,' Kadyrov wrote on his Telegram channel. The comment was published by Russia’s state news agency, TASS, alongside a photo that made Kadyrov appear not so much respectable as less fanatical than usual."

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I do not believe this lonewolf...for one simple reason....

If Russia wanted to subjugate the Ukraine ...all they have to do is go scorched earth on them..and they are not doing it. This was from the beginning....,...and the Russians moved very carefully ....not scorched earth....,

Even now that the ground has dried out......scorched earth is not happening....and with winter soon enough to arrive ...the window for scorched earth will be closing.


Not sure what you are thinking here...


I also believe what Douglas Macgregor states...that someone or some group here in the west...wants and plans to overthrow the government of Russia and replace it with one of their own liking....as we have so done continually in Central and South America....even into the Orient......and around the world...

I believe they intend to do this .....no matter what is costs the United States and our people...nation...and through their puppets in Congress and in the White House....as well as our alphabet agencies.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Agree TMT Tactical......also Russia has spent a lot of monies over the years in the Ukraine....

Another reason for not going scorched earth...

I also believe the real reasons and goals for this conflict are being hidden and concealed from most of the public ...world wide......


I sense this because of the constant tenor of "Good Cop/Bad Cop" being browbeaten to us in the media and from leadership....

I just know too much history to believe most of it now days..

There are no good guys in this...............once again. It is all bad guys....in particular in the west.


I believe the real goals are to destabilize Russia and install a new government favorable to western investors.....profit.. to get control of the resources.

The same olde Usual Suspects" at work again......same olde war/wars..


But the Russians ....like the Ukrainians should be happy ...about this....when it is finally over.....they will get Wal Marts!!!!

You cannot ask for better than that.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

--- Inside of Ukraine's drone factory

 

--- In case we have someone besides myself that likes to study military strategy and other in the weeds war information posted this .

 

Russian troops are being pushed back by a lot . I keep up with this on a daily bases , via computer . Today's update , so for this morning it appears neither side is gaining any substantial amount of ground . To get a picture of the war , I go to several different sources , not just to the link I posted above .

 

Another thought , as likely most people do not know , Ukraine's retaken ground out of Russia's hands has them setting right now only about a " 4 hour drive " at a moderate speed on the existing roadways from cutting a swath from Ukraine held ground to the sea , effectively cutting Russian ground troops into two portions . This would severely effect Russia being able to resupply its ground forces in the Crimea section . In a few weeks when the ground becomes saturated ground forces on both sides will dig in for the winter . However something different for the upcoming winter Ukraine will still be attacking Russia by air especially with the more deadly , more accurate weaponry either already arrived or soon to be arrived . The slaughter will continue throughout the winter on both sides .

 

--- Guys I couldn't resist posting one more link on the activates in Ukraine today . As a war vet or perhaps my Viking heritage find this stuff fascinating , but I know your time is valuable and will refrain from posting anymore today . Actually I think Ukraine time is ahead of our time so in reality it is perhaps even yesterdays events .

 

Things will go deep ominous should Russia get pushed into a corner / begin losing this invasion.

To keep international respect, Russia cannot be seen as any kind of loser. The Kremlin military will do what they have to do.



"Zelensky and Trudeau Give Soldier Who Reportedly Fought for Nazi Germany a Standing Ovation"

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...y-fought-for-nazi-germany-a-standing-ovation/

"In the caption of a picture published by the Associated Press showing Zelensky and Trudeau standing and applauding Hunka, the news wire service identified Hunka as a former member of the 'First Ukrainian Division in World War II'. The division is also known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician), a division comprised mostly of Ukrainian volunteers after being established by Nazi Germany in 1943.

"Despite the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg in 1946 concluding that the Waffen-SS was guilty of 'many massacres and atrocities in occupied territories,' the government of Canada in 1950 decided to allow Ukrainians who served in the Waffen-SS to be admitted into the country from the UK. “These Ukrainians should be subject to special security screening, but should not be rejected on the grounds of their service in the German army,” the Canadian cabinet said at the time."

 

I totally agree OldGeezer . We have pushed Puttin into very likely pushing the red button . --- I actually just wanted to say a new report just came in , but " I haven't verified it " Around two thousand Russian soldiers just laid down their arms and surrendered to the Ukrainian army . Though this report is coming from Ukraine , question its truthfulness .

 

--- After searching many different sources will call the information on the 2,000 surrendering Russians as " Ukraine Propaganda " .

 

Both Russia and Ukraine (especially Ukraine) have lost a WHOLE LOT MORE young men than is being reported in the mainstream media.

Russia considers Western nations' resupplying Ukraine an "existential threat". That phrase has been used in recent years by Russian military leaders as an excuse to use tactical/theater nuclear warheads. These would be delivered either by hypersonic missiles or by cruise missiles launched by aircraft. The Russian cruise missiles now have advanced software and radar with which they can dodge / re-route so as to avoid being taken down by Western high-tech anti-missile systems.

Me, I'm shocked that Russia hasn't already hit with these "little" nukes. They know that the West will not respond with theater and certainly not with strategic nukes. The West would however react with all of the economic sanctions at their disposal. There are whole lot of back-door damage the West could do to Russia ... and visa-versa.

Short story = things are going to go very bad. The year 2024 looks like it's going to be "interesting" ... as in if I had a spaceship, I'd get off this planet for 2024 and 2025.

WWIII would most likely light-up due to a China / USA conflict. Ukraine conflict will likely end up causing economic catastrophe(s). All this is crazy.

 

--- Here is another in the weeds update on the more recent developments in the Russia / Ukraine / NATO War . I particularly found interesting Ukraine's newly developed remote controlled torpedo that can lay in wait for a ship , then go in for the kill , sort of like a fast self moving mine . No submarine needed . This sort of thing will alter Naval Warfare . Anyway about 2/3 of the way through the video you can see Ukrainian folks riding on the torpedo having a bit of fun .

 

-- Today's update

 

--- Today's update

 

For anyone on this forum that may be interested in more graphic war video's ., Here is a " pay site " to obtain footage from drone cameras and helmet cameras . " War Vet News " . This site is not suitable for some people and is the reason it is banned from normal internet sites .

 

I am not sure some of you understand what I told lonewolf ...a number of posts back......


The 155mm artillery cannons we sent to the Ukraine are nuclear capable.....you people do realize that ..!!!???


I have no reason not to think that the tracked 155mm howitzer/cannon is nuclear capable.

Paladin M109A6 155mm Artillery System - Army Technology (army-technology.com)


I am not sure what some of you are thinking with this good cop/bad cop stuff ....being fed to us 24/7.


Not all of us out here are living in Disneyland....


How long do you think it would take to get tactical nuclear rounds to the Ukraine ...??? If in fact they are not already there waiting for the right incident to take place??


I am not impressed with this constant barrage of good cop/bad cop...I have seen this movie too many times in years past....to justify the next war........For Democracy..!!!!!!!


Be Warned these Ishmaelites......


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

If it is not for Democracy ......it is for the Children.......


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

I had to think and re think this TMT Tactical....

Know what happened in the American Civil War with Shermans March to the Sea???? Scorched Earth for those days.




How about in Germany ....,with Day and Night bombing both....the famous Norden Bombsight??? Cities/Targets lit up and marked day and night by Pathfinder Aircraft.

How about in Japan....mostly wooden cities.....and General Curtis LeMay decided to go from High explosives to firebombing /Incendiary weapons..as it would be more efficient.

I do not think the Average American knows this history......

No.....the so called Atomic Bombs did not do near the damage to Japan that Incendiary bomb did .....nor kill as many people... These bombs just did what they did....faster...

Again...I do not think most people....particularly Americans have a clue.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

The firebombing of Tokyo:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/firebombing-of-tokyo

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"On March 10, 1945, the U.S. Army Air Forces conducted history's deadliest air raid on civilians in Tokyo — leaving 100,000 people dead.

Codenamed Operation Meetinghouse by the USAAF and known in Japan as the Great Tokyo Air Raid, the firebombing of Tokyo would bring hell to earth. Indeed, that was the point.

Early in the morning on March 10, 1945, terrified residents of Japan's capital awoke to an inescapable inferno. By the time the sun rose, 100,000 people would be dead, tens of thousands injured, and more than a million homeless.

President Roosevelt had sent all warring nations a message pleading against "inhuman barbarism," in 1939. But that insistence vanished after the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941. The U.S. drafted a list of targets to cripple Tokyo while avoiding an amphibious invasion of Japan.

This plan required the Americans to build bases in range of Japan's main islands. The 1942 invasion of Guadalcanal and the 1944 seizures of Saipan, Tinian, and Guam paved the way. The latter territories could now be used to build B-29 bombers — which could fly at over 18,000 feet and drop bombs out of the range of anti-aircraft guns.

However, initial attempts to bomb precise targets in Japan from high altitudes were unsuccessful, as the jet stream blew bombs off target and into the sea. These failures led the Americans to formulate a deadly plan of attack.

General Curtis LeMay, nicknamed "Iron Ass," formally took over XXI Bomber Command in the Mariana Islands in January 1945. Well aware that earlier attacks had been ineffective, LeMay proposed a new tactic.

Late that evening, more than 300 B-29s departed their bases on Saipan, Tinian, and Guam. Seven hours and 1,500 miles later, they arrived above Tokyo. The first bombers set fires with small bombs at five locations. These would act as targets for all following bombers.

The planes dropped 500,000 M-69 bombs in total. Clustered into groups of 38, each device weighed six pounds, and each deployed batch spread out during descent. The napalm within each casing spewed flaming liquid upon impact and ignited everything in range.

The firebombs of Operation Meetinghouse created superheated winds that turned into tornados. Mattresses, wagons, chairs — even horses — were sent flying down the street. In places, the flames reached temperatures of 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. Nihei quickly realized that people were burning, too.

In her mid-80s [Haruyo Nihei ], she remembered that "the flames consumed them, turning them into balls of fire."

"Babies were burning on the backs of parents," she said, recalling the night of the Tokyo firebombing. "They were running with babies burning on their backs."

In one night, 100,000 Japanese people were killed. Tens of thousands — perhaps many, many more — were injured. Most of them were civilian men, women, and children.

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are more commonly remembered for the horrific use of new weapons of war. But the human toll of the firebombing of Tokyo is equally devastating.

End quote

 

Seem to me there was nothing much militarily important about the German cities of Dresden and Cologne.....and they were primarily cultural cities...not military...

Nonetheless they were heavily bombed...

We have no business taking sides in the Ukraine..and need to get out....and keep our resources and monies here in America.

We have spent enough and bled way to much for Europe.....Way Way too much.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris.

 

Nobody's gonna go scorched-Earth in or near Ukraine.

Should tactical nukes be used, they will be used solely on military units. These will be set-off high above the ground so as to achieve width of blast area and to make sure the fireball doesn't touch the ground in any way. The latter is to insure as little fallout as possible. Russia doesn't want fallout landing in their agricultural territories, not that of Ukraine. Russia has been and wishes to appropriate Ukraine aggr. output. Ukraine fears the same.
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Perhaps the tactical nuke theory is correct . I have no way of knowing . What information I do have though , Russian front line troops are very short on artillery rounds as well as other needed material . The shelling coming from Russia's held ground is reportedly diminishing whereas Ukraine has increased its shelling of the Russian lines . This explains Puttin's trip to North Korea . The behind Russian lines attacks on manufacturing of ammunition and transportation of those weapons is seeing results . --- Having watched actual Ukraine / Russia War footage from drones , can say the accuracy of Ukraine's artillery is astonishing . Trenches where the Russians are sheltering are around 5 foot wide , yet Ukraine lobs shell after shell into those trenches without seemingly ever missing . Dead and writhing in agony Russians laying in the trenches from the artillery rounds can be seen . --- The point being the war will not continue forever with this carnage . At some point I look for Russia to use Nukes regardless as to whether it is tactical or full blown revenge on the NATO countries that are destroying Russia . -- This is why I am a prepper , to face and hopefully overcome what can be seen coming over the horizon.

 

Tactical nuclear weapon-use strategies are readily available online.

Russia won't nuke Europe with their strategic and certainly not with their strategic nuclear weapons. Russia wants to sell oil and food to all of Europe ... and now China. North Korea is and may (in future?) be paying for food with rocket production assemblies (full or maybe sub-components) and cannon-fodder troops. Both N.Korea and China sure have millions of excess men of military age (in China, thanks to female babies getting aborted prior to birth).

WWIII will come from an escalation of Israel / Islamic-nation (? Iran ?) nuclear exchange, or more likely a China / U.S. nuclear exchange.

The Ukraine conflict is there to suck conventional resources out of Western nations into the conflict to be used-up / denied Western use. This strategy is working extraordinarily well. When the socialist (i.e. anti-West) media promotes a war, then you simply just know that whatever it is they promote is for the destruction of Western culture and Western capitalism. The Leftist media is the enemy of human Liberty and the ability of their political opponents to resist the usurpation of these core human rights .
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LOL LOL LOL lonewolf.....


We Americans still need to get out...this is not our war......

Again ...we Ignorant Americans and our Ignorant Fallen leadership...have facilitated too many wars around this globe for someone else's profits and power..

This is once again...not our war......

Don't worry...this war will wax worse and worse....for someone else's power and control....profit....Lucre. Just like previous wars...and conflicts.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Remember something lonewolf....and other members..here....

I have worked on every 688 Los Angeles Class Submarines built here....I know what they can do.

Also I have worked on the new Virginia Class Submarines.

Also I have worked on ICBM Missile carrying Boomer class Submarines as well as Nimitz class aircraft carriers.

Including nuclear reactor work.

I know of what these ships/creations are capable.


This does not make be better than others...most certainly.

But It does make me different.


I also like History and Philosophy...when I have time to read..


And I watch what tries to pass for leadership in our country of late...and it is a severe let down.

It becomes clear that much of our leadership is living in Disneyland or is in the business of selling, bartering, and trading the very souls of the American people for someone's lucre.....someone not wanting to be seen or known......to the American Public.


This is what happens when Ishmaelites run wild...

Be Warned......


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Lonewolf.....

You bring up a good/valid point..here......

Do you think this is accidental or by design....both countries at the same time????

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

I think....based on what the Elders taught me so many years ago....


That both Putin and Trump know what the Crown really is.......unlike most Americans and I believe also many Englishmen.


And the Crown is based out of London....and has been since before Oliver Cromwell...Possibly going back to William the Conqueror and before.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Again ... a very valid point lonewolf....

I tend towards calling it "Fallen" times.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaeltie.

 

One report says Russia defense system accidently shot down one of their own fighter jets . The Russian guy that did that is probably not walking about anymore .

 

--- I watch various war footage daily , but this video I considered above the rest and decided to share . " This link I can share " but some links I will not as it might get this forum in trouble with the communist controlling the information outlets .

 

Some of you members do know that in 1916 Woodrow Wilson got re elected on the platform that "He kept us out of War!!!"

You members do know this yes????? Shortly after he got re elected we Americans were in war.

You members also know that Woodrow Wilson went to the peace treaty at Versailles....with 14 points to end the war....and when the peace treaty was over...Germany got 8 of the 14 points ....and this guaranteed a second world war...by the harsh conditions the deep state bullies put on Germany.....

You do know this yes?????

Good Cop/Bad Cop?????


The problem with todays wars and conflicts is not ending them...but how to keep them going.....

Some of you do realize this too...yes???? Disneyland..????

How many of you have ever heard this aspect of history??? Or has it been denied to you????


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Ukrainian buildings are still standing. Bomb damage both to government and civilian structures, yes; however, cities aren't gone. There are towns out of which civilians have left. I would have gotten out of conflict areas, for sure.