War In Ukraine

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  1. watcherchris

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    Oh.....and Be Warned.....

    I do not trust the UK and their leadership......even less than I trust our leadership and I do not much trust our leadership at all.

    For the British Government in Subservience to the Crown Merchants have been dealing off the bottom of the deck for centuries to keep and maintain world international commerce and banking monopolies....trade.

    And our government is deep in bed with the 'Crown Merchants....and has been since before WW1. It is their wars and struggles for which we Americans all to often are fighting...dying and bleeding withi our finesst blood.

    We know this because only America and Americans can be so stupid as to go to war over and over and over again and not bring home any new spoils or territories. Only America and Americans can be that giftedly stupid and survide...any other natoin would have gone under years ago financing and supporting continued wars.

    The Victors are supposed to get the spoils...in war.

    We are clearly the losers and are too stupid to realize this. We are fighting all these wars to support someone else's status quo.
    Someone not wanting to be seen or known.

    Some of you should have figured this out for yourselves with the two recent desert wars...

    I understood this when Boris Johnson recently went to the Ukraine.....and years ago...when Margret Thatcher came to America to the Aspen Institute to talk to the Elder Bush....about the middle east and Saddam Hussein.

    All of a sudden Saddam Hussein was the new Hitler!!!

    The Elder Bush went into that meeting with Margret Thatcher a dove and came out a Hawk. Margret Thatcher gave him his orders from a superior authority.....

    And so too with Boris Johnson....

    Read "Coningsby" by Benjamin Disraeli.... former prime minister of England....to understand something about the real world's pecking order. Not what one gets in the media.
    Benjamin Disraeli states in his book that the real leaders of your country are not people for whom you would recognize their names and it is deliberately so structured...and they are not voted in.

    Someone is trying to keep us all in Disneyland...



    Be Warned of these Ishmaelites.

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  2. watcherchris

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    by Olde Geezer...

    What this tells me is that someone in the west has delivered secure satellite communications to the Ukraine.

    Someone who has a vested interest in keeping this struggle going.....for profit...holding nations and people hostage to their needs/requirements.

    Ishmaelites hell bent on holding people and nations hostage to their form of bondage.


    But do not despair....when this is over....the Ukraine will get Wal Mart....at taxpayers expense of course!!!!!


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  3. Old Geezer

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    ... and the war in Vietnam was all about having huge naval bases that could help cover the Strait of Malacca . As soon as Russia got North Vietnam to kick us out of Cam Ranh Bay, the Russian navy moved in. At the time, we also had Subic Bay to support the mission of protecting our oil shipments through the Strait of Malacca.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/a-russian-naval-base-in-vietnam/
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    Wars and Economics are inextricably intertwined.

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    https://viewsweek.com/small-islands-holding-key-indian-ocean/

    "The rise of China, changing power dynamics, territorial disputes in the East and South China Sea, and the U.S. rebalance to Asia have all led to the re-emergence of the Indian Ocean as the center stage for power politics in the Indo-Pacific.

    "Much has been written about China’s assertive behavior in the South and East China Seas and it remains a cause of concern for all key actors in the region. However, looking beyond these islands in Southeast Asia to the ones in the Indian Ocean, one realizes that Beijing has been working incessantly to secure its strategic interests and strengthen its role as a major player in the Indo-Pacific — alarming other regional powers such as India and the U.S."

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    "China has a new deal for India: The Indian Ocean is yours, but please let us have the South China Sea"

    https://tfipost.com/2020/09/china-h...s-but-please-let-us-have-the-south-china-sea/

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    China wishes a corridor down to the South China. They have bought-off Nepal and Bangladesh; however, they are still having to fight -- militarily fight -- India. Guess which part of India. Yes, that area that leads down to the South China Sea.

    The world is many, many dominoes lined up for a fall. The Ukraine is one of those dominoes.

    I see things going bad.
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  6. watcherchris

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    What I was told about the Vietnam war was that it was a cover for finding and developing the oil on and off shore of that nation.

    There has been an Oil Refinery in North Vietnam....previously called Indo China..and this refinery has been there since before WW2. The other refinery in Asia was in Singapore..and the Japanese got both refinerys...for the whole of the war and neither of them was bombed/destroyed.

    What Ameirica did during the Vietnam war was to develop the oil fields ...locate and drill for the oil and when found...cap off the oil wells. Another more modern refinery was built in the U Min forest area of South Vietnam.

    When it came time to shut down the Vietnam war....we began to pull out and eventually the whole nation was put into North Vietnam Communist hands.

    This was necessary to keep the oil off the marketplace and at the same time keep competitors out and from grabbing the oil fields. The whole nation was essentially put into storage. The Communists are way too stupid to operate anything at a profit or develop the same without outside help.

    But.........

    The Communists are the perfect tool for putting a whole nation into storage and the resources off the marketplace and the same resources into storage....keeping competitors out.

    I believe this same scenario has been repeated in Afghanistan....and for the same reasons...while we armed the Taliban to stand guard with our arms ....and keep competitors out.

    We develop the nation and it's infrastructure...to support the resource industry and then put the whole nation into storage ...while keeping competitors out..and the resources off the marketplace until the correct time....oh...and at taxpayer expense under the guise of war.


    I mean...when one is making an omelet...you gotta break a few eggshells.....right!!!???

    Gives you the warm fuzzies.


    I found out some of this info about Vietnam from someone in the Army who was a beachmaster...who waited on the beach with his clipboard. These Navy ships would pull up in Vietnam and they had these big clamshell doors on the front and they would open and the vehicles drive off the ramp and onto shore.

    There is a regulation about civilian vehicles not authorized on military ships without the proper paperwork. Well this Beachmaster never saw any paperwork. When he complained to his superiors he was told to shut up and let them get ashore.

    Like any good NCO he would go to the NCO club for a brew...and talk to other NCOs about what he saw and experienced. He was told that this was happenig all up and down Vietnam and that when they found the oil ...the would cap it off.

    And the rest is history. Vietnam went into storage unto this day.

    The Secret ....we are never to know...is that the resources are found and developed ....areas ready for extraction....phone lines put in.....roads and piers built...all at taxpayer expense under the guise of war...and then the war wound down and the whole nation put into storage and turned over to a dictatorial type government sufficient to keep competitors out. These resources are to be kept off the marketplace until the sufficient/proper time...but until then competitors must be kept out....or put another way...the nation into storage.

    Notice how much you hear about Afghanistan today????



    And the US Government is in on the scam....to the tune of thousands of our war dead....and billions and billions of our dollars.

    What did General Smedley Butler say in his book....."War is a Racket!!"


    Catching on yet???? These wars are not what you are told they are...including the one currently going on in the Ukraine.

    Buckle up...seat belts and shoulder harnesses....trays in the upright and stowed position...it is going to be a rough ride.
    I think that history...adjusted for times and technology... is repeating itself...right in front of our eyes.


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites....they are demonic in their goals and motives.


    But we would never know this or make such conclusions with our primarily television and or movie education in emotional instant gratification.....and knowing so little history.


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    1. Old Geezer
      At university, the professor of one of my classes was a retired naval officer. He was a very tall and dignified gentleman; strict, old school. In class, he took us around the world and explained the proximal causes of wars by region. He went into the details of the conflicts in S.E. Asia and the Strait of Malacca was a key asset that had to be kept open ... by any means necessary. That oil plays into it is no surprise at all. China is now island-hopping down into the South China sea to grab the oil under the sea. They've even created one island via fill-in engineering. The Chinese are even opening fire on Philippine fishing trawlers. The communist Chinese government is a malignancy. Hopefully God or Russia will destroy them.
       
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  7. lonewolf

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    Nice to know some of our American cousins dont trust us Brits.
    I have never trusted politicians of any party, UK or US or European.
    I'm not sure I trust the US not with Biden in the WH. senile old fool dosent know which way is up never mind what day it is.
     
  8. lonewolf

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    Putin using speech at May Day parade to try to justify "the special military operation" in Ukraine, he said that Nato were threatening "their" lands with invasion but as we all know its Russia doing the invading.
    Russian Ambassador in Poland doused in Red Paint by protestors because of the war in Ukraine.
    UK defence minister Ben Wallace said the Russian Regime were the new Nazi's and they were mirroring Hitler's thugs by their war crimes in Ukraine.
    some speculation about Putin's mental health, I think he's the only one who believes what he says.
     
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  9. watcherchris

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    Not the Brits per se...but the Crown which runs the Parliament...when Parliament intersects with Crown business.

    Not the throne of England but the Crown Merchants...of Olde London..

    Agree....I don't trust politicians as well. It is so seldom I ever see our government trying to protect my rights...by limiting their actions...Limited Government.

    Agree with you about Biden in the White House. What the Biden Administration and the Democrats are clearly demonstrating to thinking American People...is that the requirements/standards for President of the United States are no where near as high as we have been mislead to think that they are.

    What I am so disappointed in is the so called Conservative Republicans...they cannot possibly be that ignorant that they do not see it clearly ..and are not waking up the American people....
    The Republicans are silent when they should be speaking up ....the Republicans are not conservatives..but masquerading as Conservatives....they are Ersatz Conservatives.

    Also our media cannot possibly be that stupid as well...meaning that like the Republicans...they are in on the scam on the American people.

    The Vitriol of the left continues in their trying, even today, to blame Trump for their failures and trying to insure he will not run again. This tells me that Trump and Company were not among them....not controlled by the real Proxy American Government wanting to never be seen or known..but hiding behind Joe Biden and company.....particularly hiding behind the left.

    I am suspecting that more and more Americans are catching on to what is happening to our country and that there is something very very wrong with our Politicians in both political parties.

    What I am also detecting is that Americans are catching on ....more and more to the phony Main Stream Media and again going more and more to alternative sources for their news and information.

    This means that the Main Stream Media is losing their control over the Herd.

    I am also picking up on talk that because of the Main Stream Media losing it's grip on the American people that some method of more extreme control will be forthcoming...on the American People...news and information wise...including possibly a internet and media blackout.

    Also there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation coming out now about this Abortion issue.....and someone on the left is clearly trying to create chaos across this land...over this issue. Again...manufactured chaos...just like Seattle, Portland and other American Cities..

    The important thing to know for thinking Americans is that chaos is the left's fingerprint....they can do no better...they will always fall back to chaos manufacturing...

    That is how I know that the January 6 incident of 2021 was manufactured...by the left....for the result we see....

    Conservatives do not so conduct themselves....and destroy buildings and monuments.


    Ishmaelites run wild......


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  10. watcherchris

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    NATO is a Deep State operation masquerading as a peacekeeping force...

    Trump was correct to tell off NATO and those countries that America would no longer be footing the brunt of the expenses/bills.

    This is one of the things which did not endear Trump to NATO or the Deep State proxy leadership over this country.


    I believe that Putin is destroying Deep State operations in the Ukraine....for he is getting the same Hitler/Nazi treatment as did Trump....it is predictable...
    That is an important clue as to what is going on behind the scenes....the Hitler references. You gotta manufacture a bad guy to get Non thinking easily emotional people under ones control strings...put them like puppets on ones control strings.

    I also believe that Deep State operations were put down in Kazakhstan...and will eventually be put down in Taiwan.

    These are private holdings ...as were Crown Colonies in the Olde Days.

    Most people...in particular Americans... do not have a clue as to what was the real status of a Crown Colony....versus a Commonwealth.


    Ishmaelites run wild...


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  11. lonewolf

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    Nato DID NOT invade Ukraine, Putin did.
    Nato DID NOT kill civilians in Ukraine, Putin's troops under Putin's orders did.
    Trump talked about European countries not paying their fare share into Nato but still expecting Nato to help them out .
    it NOT the EU that kept the peace for 77 years, that was down to Nato.
     
  12. watcherchris

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    Not smart lonewolf...this business of fighting in the Ukraine has been going on since some 2014....this did not start with Putin invading the Ukraine...

    Much of this information is being kept away from most Americans.....to keep up the masquerade...good cop/bad cop.
    Looks like it is working.

    Those portions of Eastern Ukraine which back in 2014 chose/voted to go with Russia have been under periodic attack by the Ukrainian government.....military operations did not start with Putin. People were being killed long before Putin Invaded....

    Nonetheless....Trump was correct about NATO as well as the EU not paying their share...

    We do not need to be fighting someone else's war....again...we need to stay out of it. We have entirely too many of our people buried around this globe...to too does the UK ....because of their Empire.

    America has fought way to many of someone else's wars.....and for no real gain.....in spoils or territories.

    Shoot...lonewolf.......Americans are so stupid...we can no longer keep our own country from being invaded...and our government is aiding the invaders.

    Ishmaelites run wild..


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  13. poltiregist

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    On a video posted today - Russia now has submarines in position off the East Coast of the United States . The touted Poisdon Underwater drone with a nuclear warhead capable of creating a tsunami 500 meters high is being floated as to their purpose . It looks like our Watcher Chris needs to wear a life floatation vest to work . --- My information came from a very long video that I decided not to post due to its length but if anyone wants to dive further into the weeds speak up and I will try to make it available . Just my guess but I would think Russia would also have submarines in position in other locations as well .
     
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    https://www.the-sun.com/news/5296106/putin-cancer-military-parade-blanket/ A frail looking Puttin out for the parade . The video commentator appears to have missed it , but I didn't . Note Puttin clasping his hands together . This I posted a day or two ago for our members to watch for . The video commentator is affixed over the blanket over Puttin's legs and failed to note the signs of Parkinson disease .
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    I'm a citizen of the USSA and I sure do NOT trust this invalid administration!

    Whatever is currently going on in D.C. is pure evil. Back when biden had his brains, he and his son were sucking money out of countries right and left. China and Ukraine were their big players.
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  16. Old Geezer

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    I believe he was placed in amongst those semi-animated cadavers so as to at least look better than them.

    The blanket comes in handy should Putin soil himself. He's likely too prideful to wear Depends.
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    The Russians have had submarines off our coast for over 60 years and I also know from ex submariners that we have had submarines off their coast since the olde Diesel Boat days.....doing spying/intelligence work....just after WW2.

    No sure what some are thinking here...

    Submarine ICBM launched ballistic missiles have a range of thousands of miles....so off our coast or any other coast is a relative elastic distance...

    Most of that depends on their target.

    I am certain that the Russians have boats off both our west and east coasts...the question is how far out from the coast is their area of operations.....their AO if you like....their patrol area.

    And yes indeed....The Russians have submarines in other locations around the world as well....as do we.

    You can surely bet we have a number of them on patrol off North Korea and or China......and recording everything out there.
    They have been there for some years now..

    We have boats which sneak into the Persian Gulf entering often at night by traveling in the shadow of a big tanker so as not to be seen....in transiting through shallow waters. This is a very dangerous skill demanding maneuver and at times it has gone bad or wrong..and collisions have happened.

    There is a reason they are painted flat black.

    Ironically if this area became ground zero...my best initial chance for survival is down in the bowels of this Nuclear Aircraft Carrier.....the most protected area is the nuclear reactor....ironic isn't it.???

    I have my own personal radiation counter both here at home and in a locker at work.

    Food stuffs stored at work as well...a private food stash...spare clothes as well.

    Decontamination gear and baby wipes as well.

    But it will be bad...all around...when or if it were to happen.

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  18. watcherchris

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    Oh...and lonewolf....not sure ...does not the Uk still have boomers...ICBM equipped submarines on patrol??

    I know the Uk is fielding their latest Astute class attack boats with a significant torpedo compliment and capable of launching the Tomahawk variety cruise missiles with a variety of warhead compliments and near a thousand mile range....and so too do we..with both our Los Angeles class and Virginia class attack boats.

    Nonetheless...considering the world situation report...what do you suppose is their patrol areas...their AO???

    Oh..and while I am at it....what is the Uk's investment in the UKraine.....what resources....et al???

    I don't think the US has any such heavy investments there which is why I ask.

    And that will have a bearing on what the submarines are doing.


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  19. lonewolf

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    I think the UK investment in Ukraine is in military hardwear amounting to billions of £'s.
     
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    Our government is planning on sending billions in Aid to the Ukraine..but I doubt that most of it will arrive there before it is redirected for private profit of influential people.

    We do not belong there aiding or fighting for those people...we have plenty of people in trouble in our own country who need help/aid. Sooner or later Americans are going to start catching on to this stuff...it does not even make good nonsense.


    Oh...speaking of submarines and intelligence gathering equipment.... communications facilities.

    Take a look at Google Earth or Google Maps....on Australia...the Western part of Australia..there is a peninsula...and on it a place called Learmonth. Keep going to the end of that peninsula and you see a peculiar installation..a military installation. A huge radio complex....an intelligence gathering installation...radio installation. It is huge though it does not so look on Google maps. It is called Naval Communications station Harold E Holt.

    Also around a place called Alice Springs you see a huge satellite radio communications facility....in addition to a long range shooting range....and I mean long range..

    The Naval Harold E. Holt facility is in the perfect location to monitor what is going on in Asia.....perfect...

    I don't think any of that was built by the Aussies.


    In the far left hand corner of Australia....

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    Putin's actions in Ukraine now classified as Genocide as 10,700 war crimes notified.
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    Russia looses 52 tanks in one battle.
    hardly invincible are they??
     
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      I cannot find a link to the lose of 52 tanks in one battle. could you provide a link. I would love to read it.
       
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    NATO since Putin attacked Ukraine has never before been so united , now Sweden and Finland want membership .
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=704c68d7cc50419a877c9069da2c70ad --- The link is about Ukraine forces , have now pushed Russian forces all the way back to the Russia / Ukraine Boarder in one region . Reportedly Russian troops have went back into Russia trying to get away from the hellish slaughter Ukraine forces or putting on them . -- Not in the above link but I expect those NATO long range GPS guided artillery that was recently provided to Ukraine has a lot to do with Russia's retreat . I posted a link in regard to the NATO artillery somewhere back on this thread .
     
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      Thank you for the link. It made for good reading. The Russians appear to be using WW2 tactics and is now getting acquainted with modern warfare. The days of Blitzkrieg armor attacks are very old school thinking. Too easy to spot armor columns and set up precision artillery responses. Pontoon bridge building is not a silent or instant installation.
       
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    Basicly to the side that is attacked and losing the fight, war IS a crime. For practically all of my young years were spent with the US fighting and killing people in countries that were in no way a part of the US. W e were throwing away the lives of thousands of young men who's only crime was that they couldn't afford to buy their way out of it.
     
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    civilians are NON combatants and shooting them in the back is not an accidental death and is a war crime.
     
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    I dont trust a lot of the media on this Ukraine business...and on either side....in particular our American Media....for they are clearly in someone's pocketbook.


    I am somewhat with Texdanm on his statement...


    Too much whining by the Ukrainian Government on this one...

    I suspect they are want to play the blame game as much if not more than the Biden Administration....and our media is in on it.
    And I go back to the Vietnam era.....and remember it and now our media was manipulating the news.....to conceal the true intent and goals of the war...back then.

    Ishmaelites...


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  32. TexDanm

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    When I was a kid I remember that EVERY nigh the news would report how many young Americans had died fighting for people that surrendered before we were completely out.
    All of those young lives thrown away for nothing. If s people won't fight for their own freedom we don't need to go and die for them.

    Basically it seems that the Ukraine is doing just fine and making Vladimir wish that he had gone at this in a less punitive way. The US is great at getting involved in ENDLESS wars that they REFUSE to win. We are still in Korea. If we had not bailed out of Vietnam I have no doubt that we would still be sending young men over there to die.

    If you are not going to fight to win then you should NOT butt in to another countries wars!!!
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=37e90568770e43aab25ececd9f260680 --- We can hope the above link is true . If it is so the war will either come to a close soon with Russian forces slinking back across into Russia in disgrace , being thoroughly humiliated in defeat / or the Russian's will accelerate the war with much deadlier weapons . --- Either way it goes , as a prepper my family group are prepared to survive . Some preppers only prepared to survive independently from society for only a few weeks and some prepared to survive into infinity without outside assistance . I can understand why some prefer to deny the possibility of a full Nuclear Conflict .
     
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  36. lonewolf

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    Putin and his regime are Marxist bullies and like all bullies the only way they can get their way is to threaten those they oppose. instead of stopping Ukraine from joining Nato-which they probably will anyway- now Finland and Sweden have finally seen that neutrality dosent work and have decided to join Nato, Finland announcing it officially and Sweden will within a few days.
    Putin's days are numbered, either there will be an internal coup or he will die from health problems of which he seems to have many, at least one that could be fatal.
     
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  38. Old Geezer

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    Are we witnessing a modern-day Battle of the Bulge?!

    (Had an uncle in the middle of the WWII version. Half his company was lost. Had three company commanders in one week due to the god-awful death rate.)
     
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  39. lonewolf

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    Russia has lost ONE THIRD of its troops in Ukraine, it has also lost a lot of military equipment most notably tanks and aircraft.
    any further military action post Ukraine will not be possible for many years until it has rebuilt all the lost hardware and replaced all the dead troops.
    they dont have the equipment or troops to mount any kind of conventional warfare, and thats the military experts assessment, not mine.
    the invincible Russian military has been found to be an illusion based on outdated tactics.
     
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    I am suspecting that someone is hiring Mercenary Soldiers to fight for the Ukraine....and the media is in on it.

    I am also suspecting that a good percentage of the aid we are sending to the Ukraine will wind up one way or another in someone's private pockets.

    Again...I do not trust the media on this.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  42. lonewolf

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    of course mercenaries have fought in many wars, and not just for Ukraine, Russia has Chechens fighting in Ukraine, and I suspect there are others.
     
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  43. poltiregist

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    This is almost certainly at least partially correct . According to my digging , Ukraine is receiving personnel from other countries that participate in the fighting . Those high tech military weaponry taking out ships and other high value targets may have someone setting up the strike and simply telling some Ukraine-an " push that button " . Ukraine officials have admitted they have many foreign nationals fighting for them , but claim they are not doing it for the money . I posted a link on this military help somewhere in the distant past on this thread .
     
  44. lonewolf

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    so what? as long as the Russians get a hammering who cares? they invaded, the Ukrainians are merely defending as any country would/as we would.
     
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  46. watcherchris

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    lonewolf,

    I do not know if the story is true or not ..but I have great trouble with a source like the daily Mail wherein the lead story is not the Ukraine but the tabloid news of Johnny Depp and his woman...taking up so much of the front page.

    My life is not so droll that I need the likes of tabloid journalism...to keep me feeling informed, justified, and or correct.

    If I want tabloid...I go to work ..I can get it all night and at least I am on the clock.

    I am not such an Emotional Drama Queen that I need Tabloid sources for news and information's..

    I am insulted here in America just by going through the checkout stands at the local grocery store or at the chemist.

    I am insulted by our local newspaper as well.


    However.....prisioners....this story is from prisoners....and we know here in America....those of us with memories further than a sound bite.....and or sports conditioning... that often prisoners are merely a prop.....for one sides propaganda...as happened with our American prisoners in both North Korea and Vietnam.


    I will remind you and the members here ...that not only is much of our newsprint "fallen" into tabloid journalism techniques...but so too our radio, television, and or other media....

    However....to be more expansive...to me...our leadership itself has also "Fallen/Deteriorated" into Tabloid Leadership techniques..and some of us ..however few ...are recognizing this as a political party technique to manipulate the Herd.
    A variation of Good Cop/Bad Cop.

    But you choose for yourself....I merely make note of the known history.


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  47. arctic bill

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    this is how i see it.
    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
    Napoleon Bonaparte Quotes
    so Putin made a huge mistake , he thought he could do like he did in the Crimea just walk in and nobody said boo.
    This is the complete opposite ,
    1) it has united and reinvigorated Nato
    2) it has united the right and left wing of the USA against Putin
    3) it has caused counties to join Nato. Finland Sweden and maybe more to come
    4) the world gets to knock the s@#$$ out of Russia by just giving arms to Ukraine .
    as i said at the beginning Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
     
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  48. Max rigger

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    British military intelligence estimate Russia has lost a third of its forces sent on the Ukraine mission, thats thousands of dead and thousands of wounded and the loss of a lot of hardware. The only strong platforms he has are his submarines and nukes, his ground and air forces would be smashed in 24 hours if he pushed into a NATO country.

    First Russian soldier on trial now for War Crimes, more stories of rape and the latest from POWs is that wounded are been shot by their officers rather than getting an evac.

    Did Putin really think the Ukrainian's had been sat on their asses since he took over Crimea? They have been planning and training for an invasion for years and Putin has bitten off way more than he can chew here but he won't back down because he knows that if he does he's finished, his ego won't let him pull out. It will stop IMO when he is removed from power.
     
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    Puttin's options are quickly closing to two options , Launch a nuclear offensive or accept defeat .
     
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  50. Old Geezer

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    I mean, and this this is just my opinion, but Putin, Russian top brass, and cronies, et. al. only have decent mercenaries to do the real work. Morale amongst the native troop is in the sh##er. Holy crap, for the longest time, the Red Army hasn't even been able to gather-up the conscripts for mandatory service. Sad.

    Can you really trust Chechens? Me, hmmmmmmm ... no.

    It's expensive paying really decent mercenaries. Back in the day, Dick Cheney was paying six figures for ground-troop & ground-troop-trainers for-hire, plus $big-bucks$ for intel operatives/trainers. Early retirement writ large.

    Is 1,000 men enough? Me, I don't think so.

    These folk have been around for a while:

    "What is Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries in Ukraine?"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60947877

    "British military intelligence says 1,000 mercenaries from the Russian private military company, the Wagner Group, are being deployed to eastern Ukraine.

    "The group has been active over the past eight years in Ukraine, Syria and African countries, and has repeatedly been accused of war crimes and human rights abuses."
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