War In Ukraine

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...pc=U531&cvid=a5ae42161d534bd1a3e80e5b1c57027b Another update on the war . On this read it claims Ukraine Warriors have now pushed back the Russians about 30 miles . This is on the verge of an all out retreat for the Russians . The decision by Puttin will soon have to be made , Defeat or Nukes . I know some cling to the idea if Nukes are brought into play , it will be low yield and local . I don't adhere to that desperate notion . I would think a global first strike advantage and revenge for suppling Ukraine with weaponry would be the strategy .
     
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    if there is a nuclear war, take your last look at the sun, you will not see that again for many years, maybe not even in your lifetime, plants will wither and die, animals will die without plants to eat and humans will die without animals and plants to eat.
     
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    Just my way of thinking , but I would suspect any communist country wanting to start a Nuclear War would do only as much damage as necessary to be the victor . They would very much like to keep as much of the vanquished country useable for themselves as possible . For example farm land and natural resources would be highly prized , cities not so much . -- We can see this strategy being played out right now as Russia tries to keep the prized farming capability of Ukraine intact . -- A question is though , once a Nuclear exchange commences can the aggressor really stop the growing nuclear wasteland's expansion ? Location is a key factor in surviving a Nuclear onslaught . However from my perch it appears most people have put monetary gain over locating themselves in a real prepper survivable location in the case of a Nuclear conflict or even a country's collapse . -- Granted perhaps as Lonewolf predicts in the end no one survives . But that will not stop me from trying .
     
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    The Ruskies will only use "theater" nukes, or they could go neutron devices that only kill people via massive radiation exposure. Neutron devices also give off an EMP from hell. Electronics in that area -- and likely beyond -- will be fried. The USSR and today's Russia goes to great lengths to protect their military devices from EMP.

    If Russian forces suddenly pull back, it will NOT be a retreat. It will be a precursor to them getting ready to put that area in a microwave oven.

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    If there are any military assets in your state or your location is down-wind of ground bursts, then I hope your bunkers are dug very deeply and very well stocked.

    Hidden treasures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Lake_Landfill

    https://www.guernicamag.com/the-fallout/

    Targets:

    As noted before
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    Actually, Missouri and Arkansas have already been nuked by the U.S. government:

    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/stateandcountyexposure


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    "State and County Exposure Levels to I-131 from the Nevada Test Site"

    "Per capita thyroid doses resulting from all exposure routes from all tests at the Nevada Test Site (NTS)."

    by state counties:

    Arkansas
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    Missouri
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    If going "on the cheap", Russia or China or North Korea ..., et. al., could hit (with ground bursts) nuclear reactors so as to increase fallout damage.

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    Don't be downwind of any nuclear weapons storage facilities.

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      Spent reactor waste storage sites:

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    "Ukraine's Top General Doesn't Rule Out 'Limited' Nuclear War"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-top-general-doesnt-rule-out-limited-nuclear-war

    "Ukraine’s top military chief has warned that Russia could unleash nukes if its army is against the ropes in Ukraine. The comments were issued Wednesday amid an ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south and east which both Kiev and Washington say has so far had 'success'.

    "Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Gen. Valery Zaluzhny stated "There is a direct threat of the use, under certain circumstances, of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian armed forces." He wrote this in an op-ed published by state run outlet Ukrinform, with the alarming words being picked up by The Washington Post and others."

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    I found it interesting that Putin did not attend the Gorbachev funeral, perhaps he fears assassination?

    Russia is loosing the war, a war he more than likely would have won by now if the Ukrainian forces had not been equipped with first rate weapons from the West. I really can't see him going nuclear but I can't see how he'll pull out, he won't loose face. He'll either get bumped off, removed by coup or 'die' in his sleep.

    It will take decades for Russia to gain any sort of trust with the West and for Russia to earn this trust means another revolution of sorts, a complete change of focus not just in military and economic terms but at a societal level.

    If they pulled out tomorrow there are some interesting years ahead not just for Russia but for the world I believe.
     
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    Here is a way for Russia to leave the Ukraine and not lose face. They can hold a referendum and then claim the people voted to stay in the Ukraine. They then withdraw to honor the peoples wishes. Not too likely but better than having to resort to nuclear tactics.
     
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    not only is Russia losing the war, I think they have already lost the war, for the reasons Max has stated above, its just a matter of time. I also believe Putin will be "removed" from office in one way or another.
     
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    apparently in a meeting with the President, a Russian general who was closer to the front line than many others, told Putin to F.O. !!!!
     
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    Some are saying that there are indications that Putin is ill ... very ill.

    Meanwhile:

    A Ukraine rifleman shoots soldiers riding on a Russian tank. Video captured by drone. Their bodies fall onto the roadway. The tank is heading through there at max speed. My hat immediately comes off to that rifleman. Did the Ukraine resistance need a squad of soldiers and a machine-gun to do this? No, all it took was intel (the drone), a repeating rifle, and a marksman. Intel + snipers = Bad news for the enemy.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/euan_macdonald/status/1568284610714570757

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    I've not read the following article, but do plan to do so; found it on the web in seconds.

    What I do know is that the Russian invasion of Finland resulted in 6 Russians killed per one Finnish soldier. "Shoot and scoot" ... on skis. Wouldn't that make it, "Shoot and ski"? "Ski shooting," a variation of skeet shooting. Instead of clay pigeons, the Fins busted Russian pigeons.

    "Russia’s World War II Invasion of Finland Eerily Mirrors Ukraine"

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-world-war-ii-invasion-of-finland-eerily-mirrors-ukraine

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    British sniper took out a target at 2,745m, 9000' or 3001 yards and 80 confirmed kills. A humble fella, interviewed here


    Worth watching
     
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    Officials in Moscow have told Putin to resign because of his invasion of Ukraine which is making Russia a hated country, more hated now than at any time since the fall of the Soviet Union.
    Russian soldiers are retreating from key occupied areas as the Ukrainian counter offensive gathers pace.
     
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    Putin will not survive a Russian defeat in Ukraine, the oligarchs in the Kremlin will see to that, mind you his successor could be even more hard line. may have something to do with the harshness of the Russian climate I think.
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=9fe7bc739e7848db8d014a06402845a4 A humiliated Puttin as Ukraine warriors are now pushing out the fleeing Russians . The report above is Ukraine soldiers are now about 30 miles from the Ukraine / Russian boarder . Will they stop at the border or annex part of Russia ? A cornered rat is more dangerous as desperation intensifies . Back down in humiliation or Nuke time is now very near .
     
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    I dont believe Ukraine forces would step one foot onto Russian land, all they want is "The Occupiers", as they refer to them, to leave Ukraine for good.
    and that includes Crimea and the 2 break away areas.
    in a couple of places Ukrainian forces have pushed the Russians right back to the border.
     
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    pictures on breakfast news of all the abandoned weapons left by the Russians in their retreat, of course the Russians say they are merely regrouping but when you see all the stuff left behind by their troops you can tell they left in rather a hurry.
     
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    another group of municipal leaders have called on Putin to resign, some have even called on him to be charged with treason for harming the economy and ruining Russia's future.
     
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    a lot of Russians now seem to be thinking the unthinkable, that the war has tipped too far in Ukraine's favour for Russia to win, point is will Putin now go the nuclear response to save face? does that mean all out nuclear war or are we talking about "tactical battlefield nukes" ? which I believe have a shorter limited range.
     
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      I don't think Russia will resort to a tactical nuke or any other nuclear weapons. If Russia did, then the west would start suppling long range weapons capable of hitting Russian cities. Also Russia would become despised by most of the rest of the world and their economy would really tank. Only China would support them and then only to the degree it helps China.
       
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    Panicked Russian Officials are evacuating from Crimea, selling their houses and moving family back to Russia, as Ukranian forces close in.
    I wonder how long before Putin suffers a "heart attack" or something similar as Kremlin officials lose patience with his handling of the war.
     
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    Russian Forces now recruiting Sex Offenders, murderers and burglars to serve on the front line they are that desperate . they will get a pardon for their crimes after 6 months-if they live 6 months that is!!
    they seem to have used their best forces at the start of the war, these have been either killed or captured and now they are left with the dregs, can the end now be closer than we think?
     
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    It appears we will be deluged with those ads to import and marry Russian women . After so many of the Russian men have been killed , the women to men ratio is drastically out of balance .
     
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    do you think anyone would want to touch any of these women with a bargepole after what their military has done? I know I wouldnt if I was still in the dating game-I'm not by the way, I've been happily married for 24 years.
     
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    The Russian Federation will probably collapse when all this is over.
    nobody will want anything to do with them after all the war crimes are investigated-except China maybe and that only for what they can get, which might not be much.
    Putin really miscalculated and was misinformed, and will end up just a foot note in history-if he's lucky. I see one of his closest advisors had a sudden "stroke" probably what will happen to him, thats how things are done in Russia.
     
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    A massive worry for the west is if and when Russia collapses who keeps control of the nukes. Lets all hope and prey that any transition of power does not lead to a collapse of the country.

    Some real horror stories coming out from the liberated towns, parents shaving the heads of the young children to make them less appealing to Russian troops who've been raping girls and boys as young as four and often killing them after, gang rapes of children and adults, its staggers belief.

    I could execute every guilty soldier and not loose a minutes sleep after.
     
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    Stories from an East German woman who, after the war (WWII), lived in our small town -- plus my uncle's stories from the end of the war (WWII; they could have met up with the Russians, but their forward scouts told them NOT to seek-out the Russians heading west) inform me of a certain nature of Russian troops that is not simply repugnant.
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    Russian troops have used rape as a tool to demoralize the population for a long long time, and now to include children is beyond belief at this scale.
     
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    some of the liberated towns are now finding dead bodies buried in the woods by Russian soldiers. Russian soldiers also raped German women in WW2 so its nothing new.
    "Russia has left death everywhere and will be held accountable"....Ukranian President.
     
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    https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/rape-of-german-women-470918f997d3

    "'All of us knew very well that if girls were German, they could be raped and then shot. This was almost a combat distinction.'

    "'The Soviet army raped over two million German women. Over 240,000 women died because of rapes. Many of them committed suicide or died from venereal diseases.'

    "'The Soviets raped every German woman between eight and eighty.'"

    — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Russian novelist

    " 'Understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometers through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle.'"

    — Joseph Stalin

    “'Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill!'”

    — Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet propaganda writer

    "The Red Army raped young girls, grandmothers, pregnant women, and even nuns. They raped women in public, in front of their families, and shot them afterward.

    "Groups of Soviet soldiers gang-raped German women. On average, every victim was raped seventy times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

    http://www.wearswar.com/2021/07/02/...ape-of-a-defeated-occupied-nation-in-history/

    "Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, then a young captain in the Red Army, described the entry of his regiment into East Prussia in January 1945: 'For three weeks the war had been going on inside Germany and all of us knew very well that if the girls were German they could be raped and then shot. This was almost a combat distinction.'[4] Solzhenitsyn was a committed opponent of such atrocities and vocally opposed the rape of German women. This is one of the reasons he was arrested and banished to a gulag.

    "Some of the other Soviet front-line troops shared Solzhenitsyn’s attitude toward the proper treatment of German women. Many of these Soviet first-echelon troops were more concerned with fighting and survival than with rape and revenge. However, most of the second-echelon Soviet troops were from Asiatic Russia and brought with them attitudes toward conquered people inherited from Genghis Kahn. Other second-echelon troops were members of penal battalions or were ex-prisoners from the German concentration camps who had been freed by the Red Army and sent to the front. These soldiers who formed the second wave of troops were regarded even by their comrades as completely merciless."

    "Churches were frequently used by Russian soldiers to rape German women. A priest from Neisse reported:

    " 'The girls, women and nuns were raped incessantly for hours on end, the soldiers standing in queues, the officers at the head of the queues, in front of their victims. During the first night many of the nuns and women were raped as many as 50 times. Some of the nuns who resisted with all their strength were shot, others were ill-treated in a dreadful manner until they were too exhausted to offer any resistance. The Russians knocked them down, kicked them, beat them on the head and in the face with the butt-end of their revolvers and rifles, until they finally collapsed and in this unconscious condition became the helpless victims of brutish passion, which was so inhuman as to be inconceivable. The same dreadful scenes were enacted in the hospitals, homes for the aged, and other such institutions. Even nuns who were 70 and 80 years old and were ill and bedridden were raped and ill-treated by these barbarians.'

    "The savagery of Soviet soldiers was acknowledged by British Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery in his Memoirs. Montgomery wrote:

    “'From their behavior it soon became clear that the Russians, though a fine fighting race, were in fact barbarous Asiatics who had never enjoyed a civilization comparable to that of the rest of Europe. Their approach to every problem was utterly different from ours and their behavior, especially in their treatment of women, was abhorrent to us.'”
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  35. lonewolf

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    Sub human behaviour. no excuse, no defence.
    line them up against the wall and shoot them all.
     
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      At least one German woman migrated to my home town after the war. She was not a "war bride". MANY men married German women and brought them home with them to start families. In the 1980's our local newspaper ran an article in which this particular lady gave her war accounts. She spoke of being age 13 when the Soviets took-over. She stated that she was repeatedly raped by a Soviet officer and that her mother would attempt to get him to rape her instead of her child.
       
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    Its estimated that 7000 + women in Berlin committed suicide and that 100,000 Berlin females of all ages were raped by Russian soldiers with many committing suicide after the rape.
     
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    I dont doubt it.
    probably an under estimate.
     
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    Think about if the Nato nations are Nuked say by EMP's or some other configuration in order to leave as much of the country as usable as possible after the Nuking is done , then eventually the vanquished country will see foreign ground troops . Regardless as whether the invaders or Russian , Chinese , North Koreans or Iranians we could expect similar atrocities . --- I know most preppers don't think as for ahead and plan as for into the future as my tribe . Even one member stated he doesn't prepare " until it has already happened ". That statement I don't see how could come from a prepper " kind of the opposite " . However my tribe projects and prepares decades into the future . Already plans for escape and evasion has been formulated and are moving forward for my tribe , that revolves around ariel evacuation to another country .
     
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  39. lonewolf

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    invasion into my country would only come from one direction-across the English Channel.
    ask the Spanish Armada, Ask the Nazis, ask the Roman Empire, heck ask the Normans, always one direction and one direction only.
    invasion into my part of the country comes from one direction too.....East.
     
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    Interestingly some United States citizens believe the U.S. will never see foreign invaders with boots on the ground , because U.S. Citizens are armed . I have no way of knowing if this scenario will ever unfold , but I certainly won't live in denial that this is a real possibility . As wimpy as many U.S. Citizens have become , many even Homosexuals or like hanging around such trash , cutting the electricity and grocery stores off to these type of individuals would quickly see their bravado disappear . True there would be fierce resistance in some locations by the citizens . However some country like China need to get rid of many of their males as they have too many . As I was taught while in the military Communist think of a human life to be worth about as much as a chicken's .
     
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  41. lonewolf

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    Communists think nothing of human life, the state must endure but individual's lives are nothing.
    as shown by the loss of life on both sides in Ukraine.
     
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    The Communist Chinese have engaged in activities, to include training exercises, in Pacific Coast Canada, British Colombia. To the best of my knowledge, the largest exercise was a medical reediness event. Many of the soldiers were women. At least that is what the videos show.

    The Canadian military has allowed the PLA to witness their military exercises.
    https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-chinese-troops-canadian-soil-military-exercises/

    For an outside invasion, the U.S. would have to be mightily softened-up.

    The Hispanic invasion serves the political goals of the Left. There is a violence component to this, however. The newly-arrived Hispanics see Americans as being just so many marshmallows, squishy soft, easily beaten-down. In an total economic crash, the strong will defeat the weak and take whatever possessions, to include entire neighborhoods, they wish to take. In another form, this is happening in Europe. Immigrants settling in Europe are currently NOT driving people from their homes, they are simply setting up their own insular communities ... into which the police are afraid to journey.
     
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    The Russians are now attacking Ukrainian power stations in preparation for winter. If you can't defeat them, at least you can attempt to freeze them.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ist-missile-hits-Ukraines-power-stations.html

    "Russia struck power stations and the water supply across east and central Ukraine, leading to power cuts."

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    Another report:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...er-plants-as-ukrainian-forces-extend-advances

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    "War and Water: Russia is Destroying Ukraine’s Water Supply"

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2022/08/24/war-and-water-russia-is-destroying-ukraines-water-supply/

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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/UNdBtRvVHcf3/ This is huge - China is now sending in ground troops to aid Russia . Not going to " they are already there " boots on the ground to swarm Ukraine and whether they plan to stop at some border is questionable . World War 3 may indeed be on the horizon . -- It has been interesting to me how some on here tried to convince themselves this conflict would remain in Ukraine . Nato against Russia and China seems to be the main players .
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Please do not insult other members. One day, you'll get justification for having your survival compound. You and yours made the correct plans. But do not wish a nuclear war or wish that the vaccine is going to kill off everybody except those who didn't get the jab. If Russia and/or China hit our country, the Ozarks will be glowing in the dark with massive amounts of fallout. You are not safe there should the balloons go up ... UNLESS you guys are dug deep. Too, Dr. Strangelove didn't invent this jab / non-vaccine. Are people going to die from it ... they already are, but they are the young and the innocent. It is not going to be 98% of the population -- that would be counter to the wishes of the oligarchs, Fauci, the Chinese communists, the international collectivists, on and on. The controllers need masses of sheeple to enable them and their huge egos. Bad things ARE going to happen. Don't worry that they will not.
       
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    Were I a bookie, I'd put my money on North Korea coming into the fray also.

    Hardening the troops and testing out military technology can only be truly accomplished in war. War games are one thing. Real war is yet another.

    In the not-too-distant future, Russia and its allies will have to cut-off Western re-supply to Ukrainian forces, Ukrainian civilians. Here comes winter and I'd say that would be the perfect time to strike.

    WWIII, who knows. Me, I believe the West will not pursue a course of increasing aggression. So do Russia and China. Putin will witness Europe descending into economic ruin. This will make him and Russia's military leaders exceedingly happy.
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    Putin warned a military coup to overthrow him is "most likely".
     
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      Don't hate me, but I want the word "decimated" destroyed. "Decimate" = kill one in ten (10); FAR less than a majority. We have the words "destroy", "annihilate", "crush", ...
      I'm OCD, can't stop myself. Don't put out a contract on me, 'cause I'm now too old for the wet-job world; these days, I'm only a target ... and a slow one at that.
       
      Old Geezer, Sep 22, 2022 at 5:20 PM
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    I think the Russians have blown it, they have shown that their tactics are about as old as some of their equipment , and they are losing, sometimes slowly sometimes not so slow, to patriotic Ukranian forces.
     
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    over 1,000 people have been arrested protesting after Putin announced the mobilisation of reservists, Russian public opinion seems to be shifting.
     
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      Too, heaven only knows how many got the crap beaten out of them. During the Cold War, West German police would beat the hell out of protesters. East German police shot protesters dead on the spot.
       
      Old Geezer, Sep 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM
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    Many new conscripts are going through 'dedovshchina', severe hazing by older soldiers which can involve beatings and man on man rape...F*****g degenerates.
     
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