Watch This (5) Five Times.......then Sit Quietly And Just Think.

Speaking of "Shithole" Countries.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CE0mR_1564074253

 

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This was not a random street fight. This was a group who was looking to do exactly what they did to this person. I would be willing to bet that there are others who have had the same thing done to them by this group. This is very similar to the sucker punch thing that was going on a few years back where a group of people walk along and randomly sucker punch someone walking in the other direction.

 

I have watched it about ten times. I don't think the victim had time to pull a firearm. Even if the victim had their hand on their firearm, and it was a shrouded hammer like say an S&W 640 I don't think they could have done anything. They were on him before he hit the ground.

For sure a "Hate" crime. They did steal things, but repeatedly spit on him, stomped and kicked him even after he was unconscious.

Think about this in relation to bugging out post SHTF. Was interesting that the females were equally involved. They also attacked who ever first came to his rescue. Now he could have used a firearm.

 

Our country is turning to shit with these gangs of thugs running around with impunity. The police have had their balls cut off in many of the big cities. I cry for our country.

 

Why if the SHTF..........I want to be very-very rural Alaska.

 

Why do we keep seeing the same racial make up these gangs ? Then people pretend to be appalled if someone speaks up about it .

 

Most people have NO IDEA how fast and vicious an attack can be, even in seemingly “safe” places. Having spent nearly half my life in New Orleans, it was a way of life to expect stuff like this, which was captured by a video surveillance camera.







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https://www.theorganicprepper.com/5-violent-cities-world-america/

We pride ourselves on our first world status and civilized societies, and yet four of our cities ended up on the list of the most dangerous and violent locales on the planet.

They are:

• #13 St. Louis
  
  
• #21 Baltimore
  
  
• #32 San Juan
  
  
• #41 New Orleans
  
  
• #42 Detroit

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However, it is NOT just a citified problem! Some of the most brutal goings-on occur in the rurals. The only difference is that in cities, the crazies are more concentrated in one area.

People are the most dangerous predators on the planet. Period.



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I didn't see anything all that odd. This is in DC where if you are black you are free to do as you please. Even with the video, there will be no effort made to arrest and punish those animals. Any time people are allowed to be animals they WILL be that way. It was no better when white people could do as they wished to black people.

The ONLY way to end this sort of thing is to make laws and then enact them equally on ALL people that want to act like animals. We need to redefine US and THEM to mean people versus animals. In Texas, this sort of thing isn't very likely because so many PEOPLE are legally armed and have every RIGHT to defend themselves and others from the animals. If this were in Houston it is very likely that someone would have drawn and shot an animal and best of all there would have been NO legal issues with doing that.

As long as the government protects the right of animals to do as they wish to the detriment of people this is what you will have. this is NOT a racial issue it is a human versus animal issue and a government that encourages animals to prey on humans. They aren't zombies but they need to be treated as you would a zombie and kill them. You can't fix what is broken in them. A bunch of kluckers are just the same.

 

The first guy that was approached was the one who did not get hit. The second person came forward and got himself involved and they attacked him almost immediately. The second person could have already had his firearm drawn at that point or at least have been ready to draw or in process and ready for a confrontation. In Washington DC I believe it is illegal to carry a firearm. These gangsters are aware of that and take advantage of the situation.

 

Well...........I was totally shocked at how fast and how vicious and how hateful it was.

 

Here is the difference.
Tulsa Oklahoma

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Y3KrcFku_jgiKTQ_N4NahaFEBtMiDKnXWe5nuuc-N_OCU

 

Why isnt Chicago on that list?

 

Because the others may be staistically worse (at the time that list was created)?? Or maybe Chicago is deemed by the media as more “news worthy” and easier to sensationalize?



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You are in large company, IBME. Most people cannot fathom this kind of brutality.

Thugs take advantage of those who can be easily caught off guard. And they know that the field is large and ripe for the picking.

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They exhibited no situational awareness. They were not paying attention to their surroundings at all. Thus, imo, a firearm would have had little value in that situation. JMO, YMMV

 

People are always quick to......say, "I always have my GUN".........and several have commented about what one or the other guy could'a or should'a did with a gun.

If either had shot anyone, the others would have said it was just a joke, we were NOT going to hurt anyone. The second guy could NOT have legally shot anyone till he was down, and he was instantly unable to. He could have NOT shot the first guy who hit him...........not for scaring his buddy. You can't shoot someone in the back for NOT hitting someone.

I was in a large room when three people were shot, right in from of me, and right in front of 20 other people. Those shot were screaming, "I am shot, oh.....my God I'am shot, help me".

We all just stood there in shock, for about 50 seconds, we did nothing. We seen it, we were stunned, and not one of us did anything. I vividly remember the smell of the gun smoke, and watching it drift up, and watching the dust descend from the ceiling, and hearing the people shot ask for help. And we all did nothing.

It was just so fricking Surreal. After about one full minute, one observer moved to help one person hit in the upper chest. Think about that........twenty some watched three people shot, and only one person moved to help one person shot.

There was no danger, it was an accident. We all knew we could safely help, but were paralyzed and stunned. Being in a totally quiet room when a 30:06 goes off. Still no excuse we did not move to render help. I think the EMT's entering the room, after about 4 or 5 minutes was what broke the trance we were all in.

It use ain't like in the movies, where people instantly react. There was "Civil" litigation and we all had to give legal depositions under oath........was interesting we all were ashamed that we just stood there in total disbelief.

It is easy to watch the video.....and say what we would have done.....or what this or that guy should have done. Notice what the first guy did.......he hid on the other side of the door. Was nothing he could have realistically done anyway.

 

These days, flash mobs like the one in the OP video are becoming more prevalent, and one or even two well-armed people can easily be overwhelmed.

Self-defense tactics that may work on a one-on-one or even one against five thugs will NOT work in a flash mob situation because you are completely surrounded wolf-pack style. You can easily be jumped from behind or from the side.

I have learned not to be lulled into false security. (Sadly, I have been called "paranoid" because of being street-smart.)

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I have watched wolves pull down healthy game........It is just like this video. It is a total planned system. One time only two wolves pulled down five healthy Dall Sheep in less then eight or ten seconds. I would not believe it had I not watched it. That was the same trip that a few days later 75 or 90 wolves watched me skin a Grizzly Bear, and some of them were only 25 or 30 yards away from me watching and sleeping.

 

It isn't paranoid to be situationally aware. I never sit with my back to the room. I always spot alternative exits before I sit. On an airplane, I know how many rows of the seat are between my seat and the exit doors. If someone gets close to me I prepare to respond.

I am a friendly outgoing person BUT I am always aware of what is going on around me. A gun in a holster won't save you. You need to be ready to go for it any time that you are out in the public and not allow anyone aggressively to enter into your personal space. You have every right to tell someone to back off and if they then attack you you have every right to kill them. If you already have made the decision then the gun will come out FAST!

I like the concealed carry by permit. People that do this are different than people that just carry a gun. You have made a mental and legal commitment and you are made VERY aware of your rights and responsibilities.

Read a little of this...

https://crimeresearch.org/tag/how-law-abiding-are-concealed-handgun-permit-holders/

 

I forgot to mention... some flash mobs are NOT thuggish-looking and look just like you and me. Then suddenly chaos explodes in seemingly safe places: in shopping centers, theaters, in parking lots, anywhere.

Situational awareness, be damned. It is great for most "normal" situations but not always effective in a flash mob situation.

That's why I make every effort to stay away from crowds (and of course, also avoid being isolated in parking lots, streets, etc.). If I am caught in such a place, I leave. Pronto.

It ain't Mayberry, USA anymore.

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It is funny that you mentioned Mayberry USA. When my wife and I decided that we were going to bug out we based a lot of our plans on Mayberry. A small town with one high school, low crime rate, I wanted to open Emmit's Fititshop and DID. I just called it Dansco Repair. We wanted someplace where our daughter could roam free and live as we had done as kids. It was hard to do but in the end, we very much made our dreams come true in Mayberry. LOL...

 

Florida stand your ground shooting.
I counted six seconds from the time he was pushed until he shot.

 

He ended up being charged with manslaughter.
His trial should be coming up soon.

 

Only after protests by his friends.

 

Alaska is pretty rough then. In Florida, either or both could have used firearms in that situation.

 

BUT, you could draw your weapon to effect a citizen's arrest for assault and battery.

 

From the victim's perspective, he wouldn't have been able to see the assailant's hands. He could have been reaching for a weapon.

If you're still within arm's reach you're still a potential danger, and you've already demonstrated you're a threat.

It's up to the victim to decide the next move, and whether or not they "are in fear of serious bodily injury or death".

 

If you hit me in Texas there is only one way that you will survive. turn and RUN AWAY. I won't shoot you in the back. If you are still in my face I have no reason to assume that you are NOT going to hit me again and I have no legal requirement to allow that. I don't give a fat rats butt what you do with your hands after you have used them to hit me.

 

You're making assumptions.
If I'm not in arm's reach you can't hit me in the first place.
Dropping your hands could be perceived as reaching for a weapon.

Both hands were visible from the angle of the camera.
You can't say what the victim saw and heard, or what was going through his mind.

That's one opinion.
Less than 10 seconds before the shooting there had been no attack at all.

Things can change in a instant.
A jury will get to decide after they hear all the evidence from each side.

 

Trial by jury is never something I'd bet on.
People (jurors) aren't too smart and are easily misled by smooth talking lawyers.

Not really since it only shows one perspective.
We don't know how it looked from the victim's point of view, and that is critical.

Hearsay about prior events is irrelevant.
The only things that matter now are the details of the incident and any previous criminal convictions.

 

Have you ever served on a jury? I have served on 3 and people are smarter than you think. At least people who actually serve on juries are.

 

It's the ratio. There are s0000 many people living in the Chicago metro area that even horrible crime numbers get washed-out. Were a statistician pick a specific neighborhood in Chicago, the stat.s would look worse than a open combat war zone.

 

Hmmmm.
Lets look at what the law actually says.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/w...round-law-say-you-can/jpSBjlmK7L7bQdSFR45E1N/

(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.

(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

Florida’s “stand your ground’’ law basically says you can use deadly force – such as shooting someone – to defend yourself if you fear for their life, or are afraid of serious bodily injury. In Florida, there is no duty to retreat before using deadly force.

What does ‘duty to retreat’ mean?

Under Florida’s law, if someone is in a place they are legally allowed to be, they do not have a “duty to retreat” (try to get away from that place) before using deadly force on a person they feel threatened by. That rule applies even if there is a way to get away without being harmed.

What does Florida’s stand your ground mean for you in the legal sense?

Florida’s statute says that if a person lawfully uses deadly force self-defense, then that person is “immune from criminal prosecution” in that case. In other words, if you kill someone to save yourself because you had a reasonable fear you were going to be harmed, you will not be charged with killing that person. That provision applies even if you could have gotten away from the situation safely.

>>Florida’s gun laws: How have they changed after the Parkland shooting?

In addition, last year, the Florida Legislature passed a law that shifted the burden of proof in a stand your ground case from the defense to the prosecution. That means that defendants do not have to prove in pretrial hearings that they were defending themselves in order to avoid prosecution. Another part of Florida’s law says law enforcement officers who make an arrest that is later determined to be unwarranted face legal fees and civil penalties.

 

Just yesterday, L.A., July 28th, 2019:

"LAPD: Off-Duty Officer Killed by ‘Gang Member’ While Trying to Stop Vandals"

https://www.breitbart.com/local/201...killed-gang-member-while-trying-stop-vandals/

 

I think all he has to say is "I felt threatened and scared for my life after he knocked me to the ground." The burden of proof is no longer on the defender but has shifted to the attacker to prove that the defender did not feel threatened.

 

The Avenues Gang was formed in the 1940s as a social initiative to give Hispanic youth protection from criminal gang membership.

"The best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray." Robert Burns

https://unitedgangs.com/avenues-gang/

 

I have to wonder hypothetically, how many times can a person hit you and keep putting their arms down to their sides and no or yes be a threat. I would think if someone hit someone and was still facing them they would be considered a threat. If they hit you once what is the chance they are going to hit you again. Arms at their side, ever hear of a sucker punch. It can come from any angle

 

There were two shootings this weekend. One in Brooklyn NY and one in a little town south of San Francisco CA. HOW could this happen when both places have extremely strict gun control laws?????? OH yeah, criminals don't pay attention to laws. I know where I would want to go if I was a NUT and wanted to shoot people....

Off-topic I know but also sort of appropriate. This is what you get when the government prohibits its citizens from defending themselves and protects the criminals from the wrath of their victims.

 

I've never been on one, but I know people who have served.

I've also worked in retail, dealing with the public, and there are lots of people who really aren't very smart who get called for jury duty.