We Need To Reduce Our Dependence On China Now!

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  1. F22 Simpilot

    F22 Simpilot Master Survivalist
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    And I am pissed the F off! I have been saying this for at least 12 years now and look what is going on. Not only do they rob our GDP in terms of jobs and our own homeland production ability, but due to the coronavirus the proverbial shit has IN FACT! hit the fan in terms of pharmaceuticals. These snake, bat, salamander eating bastards control a vast, and I mean a VAST quantity of our (the U.S.) pharmaceuticals, and I just saw on the news that a Chinese publication and maybe others were touting on about how China could bring us (the U.S.) to our knees. And that's just pharmaceuticals.

    Now guess what? Better stock up now if you are dependent on life saving drugs because they're aren't producing this shit anymore.

    Trump and I are right. Now I don't have the business acumen as Trump, but we both share in the same idea that China has been raping this country through and through with jobs and our economy. I have learned waaaaay back in 7th grade world history that civilizations often failed when there was a lopsided trade, and the Chinese have been doing this Biz since the spice trade, the silk road and the junk ship. They know this shit well and are laughing at us stupid Americans for making it fucking happen. We allowed our capitalistic abilities to make China a better place and it turn they manipulate the system to their own good with currency and labor and fuck us backward in turn. Can you tell I'm vastly pissed right now? Did I mention I've been saying this for 12 years thus far and on forums all across the Internet to be meant with criticism?

    Complacency on the trade front will destroy us all. Mark -- my -- words. End of sentence, full stop PERIOD.
     
  2. Grog_of_California

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    I hear ya. I saw a State Dept report... about 10 years ago, probably 60 pages, essentially outlining the fact that we are in a cyberwar. I have to say, from what I've been seeing first hand, from the trench in the last couple of years, we are entirely capable of getting our asses kicked, with no viable defense, except shutting down the internet. checkmate. When you escalate an issue, and you get the "we're looking into it", and then, crickets, it kind of says it all. It's a hot potato that
    nobody wants on their plate. In short, when the grid goes down, all bets are off. I'm seeing now, it's not alarmism,
    it's unfortunately inevitable. On the upside, if there is an upside, I'll have unlimited time to work on my Bach and Vivaldi
    repertoire. So.... I got that goin' for me.
     
  3. TMT Tactical

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    Sometimes people have to have their noses rubbed into it, before they will admit is is crap. China has been stealing our production /manufacturing for decades and the politicians have let them and even encouraged them. Time to bring back out manufacturing and place massive tariffs for anything coming from China. We are not going to lower our standard of living to compete with their slave labor. We will force them to play on an equal playing field and we will have the home field advantage.
     
  4. F22 Simpilot

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    Yeah, the power grid is very vulnerable. Either from a CME/X-flare from the sun, an EMP or through cyberspace attacking the very fragile SCADA systems. We have the same capability and can knock out country's electrical and gas so I guess it's like MAD so to speak. But in this situation, sometimes it's hard to distinguish who's the perpetrator. But China and Russia are the top two.

    Without going full computer dork as to why I know this, I can tell you right now your router is being probed by China and Russia to name just a few countries looking for vulnerabilities. This happens with residential and corporate IPs and servers every day. I see this traffic monitoring the router with SNMP and on my own website.
     
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  5. F22 Simpilot

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    Not only that, but China deflates their currency all the time to their advantage. This is one country that pisses me off and Russia is a close second.

    Did you hear that Jinping mother F-er say he blames covid-19 on the U.S. military?

    And fresh off the press. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/man-who-criticised-xi-over-speech-on-virus-missing


    These numbers are no where close.
     
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Grog and TMT,

    It's really less about cyberwar, China and the other external matters.

    The overall real "problem" is the politically infected and bloated US labor force.

    Our nation has engineers who can invent on demand. This includes the IT engineers. Recall President Bill Clinton's warning to Monica not to directly contact him because the White House was cyber-bugged. This was well over 10 years ago. What happened to our security specialists. Our country once had the world's premier security labor force. Something happened.

    Reread my sentence 2 above.

    Why did Boeing enter China followed by 2,200 other companies ? Boeing had/still has mismanagement problems coupled to labor unions that are compensated well beyond their worth. Boeing is being propped up by the US taxpayer. Remember when Lockheed nearly went bankrupt in 1975 ? Remember when Chrysler nearly went bankrupt in 1975 ? Remember when the municipal government of the City of New York nearly went bankrupt in 1975 ?

    Please reread my sentence 2 above.

    Middle America ALREADY has a lower and reducing (current tense) standard of living than our counterparts in China. In other words, China's middle class has upward mobility.

    The overall real "problem" is the politically infected and bloated US labor force.

    President Trump is working to rectify this.

    MAGA.
     
  7. TexDanm

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    It isn't just China that we are dependent on by any stretch. Our Government officials... politicians, have sold us out to our enemies. This isn't new. It isn't just one party. The Democrats do everything that they can to drive companies and industries in the US out of business. They have destroyed our oil industry over and over and wiped out our coal and mining industries. Meanwhile, the Republicans not only allowed but supported the export of manufacturing and service phone work out to any other country so that their rich contributors could make greater profits and not have to pay import taxes to bring their foreign-made goods back into the US making American made products unable to fairly compete.

    Our problem is not China, Mexico or India or any of the other countries that have soaked up our jobs. Our problem is a political system that has made out leaders more like street corner whores trying to collect the hundreds of millions of dollars that it takes to keep their jobs than statemen or representatives of the people. We MUST do away with professional lifetime politicians. We also need to find a way to wrest control of the government from the two partys and return it to the people. I like Trump in part because the Republican party hated him. He is a bit of a flake BUT he is an AMERICAN first and not a Republican or a Democrat first and an American somewhere much further down the line. He got elected only because he was personally wealthy enough to finance his own run in spite of the best efforts of his own party.

    I don't know what it will take but if changes aren't made they are going to sell our nation to the highest bidder.
     
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  8. Grog_of_California

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    as the meme goes... "I want to believe..."
    I've written three drafts of this and realize I can't really say what I think. So, I'll just say that what you posit may be true,
    but there is not just one problem and there is no magic bullet. make ready.
     
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  9. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TexDanm,

    As clear as white light passing through a prism. Thank you.

    Not so much for the record but rather for additional research for a Forum Member, just do a rudimentary Google check in re:

    1. The Penn Central RR bankruptcy, 1970 and closing down 1976. This was the 6th largest US company and a powerhouse of vibrant economic efficiency and the generation of wealth.

    2. Remember that place called Orange County, California ? It's 1994 bankruptcy had nothing to do with Japan, Inc or OPEC Vienna.


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    We Americans have much work to do. It is thankless and unrecognized. Our enemies are Americans. A paradox ?

    We can handle the foreign adversaries. Ours and their records support this.
     
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  10. lonewolf

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    not just China, we need to stop shutting down in house industries because it is cheaper to buy from abroad.
    globalisation has had its day, we need to resurrect the old trades before they are completely lost to us, we should be buying food from our own farmers and horticulturalists, the only stuff that should be sourced from abroad is stuff that its not possibly to grow in our own countries.
     
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  11. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Lonewolf,

    Add to the list of "things to do". Yes, on list.

    Of course the EU's "CAP" - Common Agricultural Policy and the USDA commodity subsidy programs are BIG barriers to crush. They are a major part of the "global" problem.

    A main reason Philippine pineapples and citrus are less costly to import into the US when compared to local grown stuff is that the US paid buchu $$$ to fund Manila's defense programs. There are a lot of intermediate steps in the whole diagram but it really distills down to socialist subsidies for some...it's wealth transfers.

    We saw this same food thing with the Middle East oil and the US transferring $7 trillion (TRILLION) of wealth to the Arab and Iranian oil barons.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    the problem with buying anything from abroad but especially food in a major catastrophe that source of food may no longer be available.
    Britain is 60% self sufficient in food but the other 40% is obtained from "abroad", about half-at the moment- is bought in from Europe, the other half comes from all over the place, if that is no longer available we would run out of food about the first week of August, with the current population levels that is.
     
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  13. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Lonewolf,

    Understand; agree.

    The word "globalization" is not literal. The British Isles had the Dominions as London's "hinterland". The US already had a vast ag territory.

    Until the election of PM Tony Blair, the UK as a EU member was subsidizing France and Germany so they could run their CAP racket.
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    the UK continued subsidising France and Germany long after Blair had been and gone, right up to when we left the EU in January.
     
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  15. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Lonewolf,

    True, good point.

    I stand corrected.

    Yes, the UK was subsidized France and Germany up to the last minute.
     
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  16. poltiregist

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    I expect the imports will cease or at least be drastically reduced from various global disasters if they haven't already begun .
     
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  17. lonewolf

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    a lot of exported goods will probably be reduced because of corona virus as more and more people go into lockdown, with people at home the goods will not be produce reducing the amounts that can be exported/imported.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    wasn't correcting you but Britain was one of the highest net contributors to the EU budget for most of the 45 years we were members. I think the EURO currency may collapse fairly soon because of corona virus complications.
     
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  19. TexDanm

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    Charity SHOULD begin at home. I believe that is a company moves its manufacturing to another country their assests in the US should be locked and taken and used to support and retrain the workers that they tossed under the bus. The US has reached the point that it would be almost impossible for us to be actually self-sufficient in the case of war...or pandemic.
     
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      Going to have to disagree on the asset confiscation--- "Government Stealing". If a company wished to move it's operations to foreign country, so be it but they lose American company status, protection and must pay import tariffs. Income earned from a foreign subsidy, is taxed at full rate of American companies.
       
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  20. TexDanm

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    I consider putting Americans out of work just to increase profits to be criminal and theft. It always seems odd to me that they move to countries that let them pay a tiny wage, no benefits, no OSHA or EPA and yet the price that they sell those products to us never go down. All Americans are supposed to be equal so to me, that means that the working class has just as much right to make a living as the big boy's right to get richer while also making the US more and more dependent on foreign manufacturing.
     
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  21. F22 Simpilot

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    I've been saying this for a very long time. We need terms limits. Ted Cruz tried to do it, but the powers that be shot it down.
     
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  22. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TexDanm, TMT and F22,

    US international business is a BIG subject - and it goes well beyond just business.

    It involves US foreign policy, US defense policy, US positions in international relations and US treaty obligations (some secret but can be figured out from the business transactions).

    I'm just going to list a few examples of events to give some focus to all this.

    It can be looked at from the end of WWII and how the "peace" was handled. The peace did include the Cold War.

    Recall ARAMCO, the US consortium working the oil from Saudi Arabia. The US lost this vehicle. Researching the background and the non-business aspects can be seen. Remember, there were giant efforts to keep the Soviet Union from expanding in the Middle East.

    Recall Flying Tiger Lines, the largest and most modern air cargo company in the world. In my collection of political stuff I collect, I have the 4 page - not much typing; much white paper - CAB document that effectively closed down Flying Tiger Lines. The US Government had to forfeit the company to keep Japan from going neutral in the Cold War.

    The US companies did not enter the Chinese market for low cost labor. US companies cannot buy labor on the open market. They must deal with their negotiating partner eg China National Oil Company, Civil Aviation Authority of China. The US had - still does - saturated domestic markets. The big companies like Boeing had fixed and rising costs and the solution to remain in business was to enter China. Otherwise China would have outfitted their country with AirBus products. Recall that France recognized China in 1964 - 3 years prior to me fighting in Vietnam. France had the contacts well prior to Nixon going to China (29 Feb 72 [ First Joint Communique]).

    There are many other examples.

    Some through research will show the US problem is domestic US politics.
     
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  23. TexDanm

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    Japan is just another nation that will only remain free as long as the US is willing to finance and provide the mercenary type of military support. If we pulled out and said to hell with them China and Russia would take that little island nation over in a flash. They could have been divided up and ruled over like Germany was. They owe their existence to us. We didn't just allow them to continue as a nation after the war, we rebuilt them.
     
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  24. F22 Simpilot

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    And that is a fact.

    Crazy how we bombed the hell out of 'em up to and including two releases of the sun and then we rebuild them.
     
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