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  1. Pragmatist

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    https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/28...aced-three-times-more-people-than-war-in-2019


    Good morning all,

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    Maintain perspective.

    Article has an interesting picture of Albania with a CAT tractor.

    US organizations know how to handle evacuation centers and shelters during this COVID quarantine. It's not knowledge. It's political will and funds - much funding required.

    Some of us are finalizing preparations for emergency sheltering during the soon to arrive hurricane season. One good preparation would be a trip to Big Sky Country, Montana.
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Just one more reason I moved out of Kentucky, that and the white fluffy stuff. Folks in Kentucky thought I was crazy for having lived in earthquake country. I thought they were crazy for living in tornado country.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    Tornado report continuing from above

    I found this video very informative:

     
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  5. arctic bill

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    weather now can be very deadly,
     
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  6. Old Geezer

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    Power companies are not saying how long it will be before they can get the electric power back on. One Kentucky report said that traffic lights could be out for weeks. Telephone poles have been snapped like twigs and power lines have been sent to who knows where. Short story, if you do not have a generator and fuel for them put back, then get out the candles and the kerosene lamps. Better have iron cookware to cook over a fire.

    Mainly rural areas have been hit, therefore it is my expectation that these people will pull together to rebuild. Had this happened in a major urban area, I would be searching news articles on how much looting had begun.

    I think over 20,000 households around Memphis are without power. We'll see how that turns out. In Memphis, one can travel three blocks away from some civilized area and end up in Mogadishu. I know. Been there. Done that ... several times. Experienced the same in Savanna. Very, very many cities are now exactly the same or worse.

    Maybe people who were not hit but living in that region will start getting very serious about putting back survival supplies.
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  7. lonewolf

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    I always thought that anyone living in tornado country would have supplies put back as a matter of course but I see from the news reports that isnt always so.
    not that we get Tornado's in Britain certainly not in my part of the country and most Hurricanes by the time they cross the Atlantic are downgraded to a severe storm.
     
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    Actually, rather bizarrely we do get tornadoes in Britain. Mathematically we get more for square mile of land mass than the USA (this, of course, is by dint of Britain being tiny and USA being huge - but we do get a couple every year) :)
     
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  9. lonewolf

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    like I said, not in my part of the country, probably due to the underlying rock formation, although I have heard of the odd one in the North of England .
     
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    I think they happen mostly due to street layouts, one particular street in Birmingham has had several over the last century. I don't know of any at all in our area.
     
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  11. TexDanm

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    We would call a "tornado" small enough to go down a street a "dust devil." They can be over a mile wide.

    They are facinating things and can do some insane things at times. A tornado tore the roof off of my Great Grandfathers house and took half the house with it...but left sheet music on the piano that was against a surviving inside wall.
     
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  12. Old Geezer

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    In the USA, tornadoes most often target trailer-home parks.

    Old joke:

    Q: "What does a tornado and a redneck divorce have in common?"

    A: "Somebody's gonna lose a trailer."
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    I spent about 20 years in Missouri in an area that was prone to tornadoes. Our solution was an earth contact home and a root cellar/tornado shelter.Used to every farm had a root cellar that served that purpose.
     
  15. lonewolf

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    recent weather predictions say the UK could get snow on Christmas Day, that hasnt happened for a number of years, probably not down this way, more like the North of England down to the Midlands.
     
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  16. Old Geezer

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    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17068556/snow-forecast-freezing-cold-christmas/

    temp conversion + 13 C = + 56 F____ - 6 C = - 22 F

    Quotations in color Blue:

    Highs of 13C are forecast in parts of the UK over the next two days - but the Met Office has issued a yellow warning for fog today and tomorrow for areas in East England.


    The Met Office has warned icy fog could lead to poor visibility on the roads which could cause travel disruption.


    But temperatures are set to plunge to freezing in the days before Christmas with biting lows of -6C expected in Scotland on the big day.


    Storm Corrie is then set to lash the country with blizzards and chilly winds blasting in straight from the Arctic just after Christmas.


    Heavy snow is then set to hit parts of the country - with some areas expected to be blanketed in up to a staggering 10 inches of the white stuff.


    If the poor weather does materialise, parts of central and southern Wales would see astonishing drifts of snow as deep as 9.8 inches in places.
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    America being as vast as it is will see all manner of weather conditions this Christmas. Here's weather.com's best guesses. Note that in mountainous regions, all bets are off as to how bad things will get, roads passable vs. impassable. Mountain folk pack their home's larder before winter -- guess why.

    https://weather.com/safety/winter/news/2021-12-14-white-christmas-forecast-snow

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  17. Old Geezer

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    "VIDEO: Kentucky Family Survived Tornadoes Thanks to Underground Prefab Storm Shelter"

    https://www.breitbart.com/weather/2...rvived-storm-using-underground-storm-shelter/

    "As the storm made its way through Bremen, 'It started shaking the lid real bad, we had to hold it down,' Pointer told WHAS 11. The family made it through the storm safely, thanks to the shelter his father installed ten years ago.

    "The family never used the shelter prior to December 10, but it proved extremely useful even after the storm when their home was in tatters, and the family needed shelter.

    "Pointer’s father could not remember how much it cost to put the shelter in over a decade ago, but he and his son agree that their family’s safety is priceless."


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    This company makes prefab storm shelters in above-ground and below-ground models:
    https://survive-a-storm.com/residential-storm-shelters/

    There are other companies, but I've not looked them up.

    A do-it-yourself storm shelter would also provide you with a good root cellar.



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  18. poltiregist

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    The concrete slab that is scheduled for my family group to put in this coming Thursday incorporates partial underground rooms for storms / root cellar . We will be doing the slab ourselves as we couldn't find a contractor willing to actually work . The same for the rest of the structure . We will potentially send one of our group to a saw mill as the saw mill owner can't find help either and saw up the logs to build a log house . This house will call for thinking out of the box of usual construction . --- A few nights ago the wife , grandson and myself were woke up during the predawn hours with a big boom that sounded like a very big explosion . Actually that boom woke up everyone in the area , not just my house .It turned out we were sitting almost directly on top of the epicenter of a earth quake . It seemed to me to me to be more like the sound of a huge collapse of a cavern roof . There are a lot of caves around here .
     
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  19. Old Geezer

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    In your bunker, make sure to include tools to dig out of the place if your entry/exit gets covered with debris. Include heavy jacks and timbers. What can cover a tornado cellar can be HUGE. Also bomb concussions can cover or crush airway vents. Airway vents must have backup manual crank-type fans to move air. CO2 is heavier that O2, so the exit vent must be at the bottom of the room.

    During the WWII battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, our troops used flame-throwers to burn the Japanese troops alive in their bunkers. The flame throwers would also eat up all the oxygen and produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide; this caused the Japanese to smother to death back down in the caves they had built. Our guys would pile burnable materials in the face of caves, torch it, cover it. This would suck the oxygen out of the place. If the Japanese troops ran out, our guys would torch them / shoot them.
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  20. Old Geezer

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    It never ceases to amaze me that some people live right on coastlines, near volcanoes, even build on earthquake faults. Japan put a nuclear reactor on a beach that had seen a cataclysmic tsunami centuries ago. Hundreds of years before, their ancestor placed boulders near the area with etchings reading, "Do not build past here. A tsunami will destroy you if you do so."

    As to those pesky hurricanes, does your Caribbean island have a mountain? On your island mountain, did you build a reinforced concrete home with steel beams supporting a steel roof? Just asking because throughout human history, humans get scraped off coastlines and out to sea by tsunamis and hurricanes. In volcanic regions, towns get covered in lava ... which, generally speaking, is a bad thing.

    "Why Hurricane Beryl's 'insane' intensification has experts worried"


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-hurr...sification-has-experts-worried-203516279.html

    "Hurricane Beryl has intensified into a historic Category 5 storm and is now packing potentially catastrophic 165-mile-per-hour sustained winds as it churns towards Jamaica after making landfall on Grenada's Carriacou Island Monday.

    "The hurricane, the first to reach Category 5 status so early in the season, made history in several ways, and none of them are good news, experts say."

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    You have to approach peoples' living locations from an angle that is different to what we would consider common sense. For example in th UK we have several towns that flood on an almost annual basis. The question is often asked as to who people choose to live and why they did so historically. In the UK it has, as with most things to do with money. Housing in vulnerable areas is cheaper and, historically, that was often the case too. When it comes to "town planning" very often schemes that may cause flooding in poorer areas get the go-ahead simply because the people in those areas do not have the money to fight the plans in court. In the UK to fight a planning scheme can take millions of pounds.

    We see similar with hurricane Beryl, the people that live in the affected communities and from, mostly, poorer countries and are the descendants of slavery who had to live, once emancipated, where they could afford to.

    You nation volcanoes, again with Pompeii and Herculaneum and large proportion of those who were killed in the volcanic eruption were poorer and living where they could (this is one of the reasons why those two locations are so historically fascinating as poorer communities often leave less traces for archaeology). Modern day Naples which straddles both Roman Pompeii and Herculaneum has its power areas on the volcanoes foothills.

    Again we see the same with coastlines, people who live there today are largely descended from those that need the sea for sustenance, fisherman and sailors.

    The other consideration is that once people traditionally live in an area they often continue to do so for generations, on in the UK for thousands of years 9there are towns on the south coast with Roman architecture that are still in current use).

    See levels rise and falls, volcanoes became dormant and reignite etc. It is what it is.
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    many people live close to where they work, especially in the cities, when I lived in Plymouth I was within 3 miles of where my office was, it was only when I moved onto building sites that I had to travel further afield.
    many people buy or rent where they can afford, they dont have much choice, money is tight and housing is expensive.
    mind you, many seem to not know what "Flood Plain" means.
     
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  23. Old Geezer

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    I stand corrected. I should have said, "... willingly move to ...".

    A lot of bad things happen to the non-culpable. My wife and I sympathize.

    I had an uncle cheat me out of my share of inheritance (>$150,000). Electronics industries moving out of America to Asia slam-junked my career therein ... gutting our savings. My fall-back was in the medical technology realm. My wife's cancer racked up bills. One of my sons was killed in a car accident, but for some miraculous reasons, the EMTs and surgeons saved his life. He's crippled and lives with us. Our daughter died at age 33 and we had her funeral bills to pay. Explain to a boy of six years that he's never going to see his Mommy ever again.

    "Life is a bitch and then you die." My dad died when I was in high school. He was born in a mining camp. My mom died when I was in grad. school. She was born up in a Southern Appalachian "holler". At the hospital, I closed their eyes.

    There's a bunch of other sh## sandwiches life has served-up to this family of ours -- deeply evil stuff that one wishes not to remember.

    You get knocked down. You get back up. You keep on fighting.

    ...............
     
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      Failed to mention all of premature deaths in my wife's family. One of her brothers and I were friends. His personality was a hoot! Great guy. Great to be around. A drunk driver crashed into his car and he burned to death.
       
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    it amazes me that things like this hurricane coming so early in the season , huge down pour of rain , and other stuff and yet people still say there is no such thing as climate change. just last week the lake that is my country cottage for 50 years had a huge flood two feet over the record. my dock floated away and i had to get in my boat to retrieve it. my neighbour of 50 years was shocked she had never seen anything like this before .
     
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    When a tornado hit me about one month ago " cat 3 " to the best of my knowledge , being completely prepper minded , as daylight broke my first thing to address was the garden as I expect things in the food supply to become dire for most of the population in the coming months . Secondary was addressing all the downed timber and carving a way in and out of structures . My thinking salvaging the garden was time sensitive , clearing trees was not . As I have said on here before my structures were spared . Many of my neighbors their homes were gutted or only a concrete slab left . Some folks got sucked away as their homes disintegrated around them . -- I can now say I have been through real blood and guts combat , cat 5 hurricanes , flooded out of my home which had water about 30 inches deep inside the house , one mild earthquake , ice storms leaving power grids down for weeks , " completely encircled " by a forest fire with flames going out the top of trees 100 foot high , made a 300 mile solo float trip down the rapids of the " river of no return " in Idaho and now one tornado . I don't get rattled . Instead I formulate a plan to survive as the situation dictates . All of these things molds a serious prepper / survivalist . Just stocking a few extra supplies , don't even kick start , where my prepping endeavors go . Being able to hid prepping endeavors inside my home is a non-starter for me . That calls for some serious security measures , but that leads too for from this thread title .
     
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    Thinking about my above post realize some may find these life events questionable . I understand that and if anyone should want more information on any of the events that I briefly grazed over speak up . Actually they are only a small portion of adrenaline pumping things that I have waded through in my walk through life . I do enjoy a adrenaline rush .
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    Turning lemons into lemonade:

    The downed trees were at risk anyway. Now they are down. So it goes. Now, can use them as building material and the scraps can be used as fuel for the wood stoves. Make friends with the lumber-mill workers near you.

    Sh##! Make the most of misfortune! Turn misfortune into fortune. God is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. There any any "accidents" in this world.

    Me and another boy used a crosscut saw to fell scrub trees for the Forestry Service. We used sharpened pulaskies to flatten the tops of logs. We built a narrow cross-creed bridge out'a a hemlock log the crew felled.

    Our ancestors pulled off unimaginable sh## ... sh## that was "impossible" to do without power tools.










    Never let anything go to waste!!!!!!


     
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