What do people think of preppers/survivalists in your country?

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  1. Arboreal

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    I became curious about this after reading "The Postman" by David Brin last week. It's basically a science fiction story in post-apocalypse setting, but I've noticed the author believes preppers are morons at best and dangerous psychos at worst. I wonder if the general public in the US shares this view? In my country (Poland) there's not such problem, because most people aren't aware of the survivalism movement, and I'd wager the enlightened few probably are preppers themselves or consider it an interesting hobby.
     
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  2. lucidcuber

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    People generally see as as eccentric rather than dangerous, which is fine. It really does boggle my mind how some American prepper are seen as potential terrorists by their fellow countrymen, in fact I don't know any terrorist in history that was into prepping, although I'm not saying there definitively was never any. In any case, the link between preppers and terrorist seems an absurd one to draw.
     
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  3. Correy

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    Well, in my country most people who went through the German occupation and various civil wars and political turmoil tend to be on the prepper side without realising it. If you grow up in an unstable environment where in any day you could run out of food of a certain kind or completely run out of food, you tend to start stocking on various fundamental items, like stocking salt and canning food, or keeping a power generator around.
    They consider it "good housekeeping" instead of prepping.
    Of course the people who actually get themselves a personal bunker and supply themselves for years worth of food are very few.
     
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  4. lucidcuber

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    I agree with this, that many are preppers without realising it. Some are even better at it than me, someone who consciously considers myself a prepper. I was never really brought up with that mindset, and it's something that I've had to acquire over time. Now even as a force of habit I've always got 2 weeks of food in house anyway (not including bulk stores)
     
  5. Arboreal

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    The Unabomber lived off the grid and allegedly was interested in survivalism in general, and I guess the media coverage of his case might have contributed to this stereotype? Of course, it's a blatantly false stereotype, people could as well claim "all mathematicians are terrorist", but most people are very lazy when it comes to things like this, and will not rethink their views or seek better info than superficial coverage in media.

    @Correy This is interesting, can I ask which country are you from? Older people in Poland tend to better prepared for an emergency too, since they witnessed things like economic collapse in the 80s, and I think the generation(s) that lived through WW2 (still known simply as "the war" here) used to be even more aware, but sadly, they have mostly passed away by now.
     
  6. Destiny

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    In the US it's gotten really popular, there's all kinds of shows about it. Naked and Afraid, Alone, Doomsday Preppers... even crazier ones like Born in the Wild... about women giving birth in the wild. People are really interested in it nowadays.
     
  7. Keith H.

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    In Australia most so called "Preppers" are only playing at it, they like the idea of being self-reliant, but are not prepared to put any effort into being really prepared. That suits me fine, less competition IF the shtf.
    Keith.
     
  8. lucidcuber

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    By virtue of probability, of course one or two terrorists will end up being preppers, or anything else. I'm not sure where the stereotype really comes from though. I would say American preppers are probably disproportionate opposed to gun restriction, but so are millions of other non-terrorists.
     
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  9. Arboreal

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    @Destiny That should be good, maybe it will help change the popular attitude? At very least, things like TV shows are guaranteed to attract more people to the survivalism movement. This should help improve prepper's image on its own. It's quite sad that there are people who think we're dangerous to society, when quite the opposite is true :D
     
  10. Arkane

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    It is looked on as "ANTI ESTABLISHMENT" by the establishment because it says "We do not believe you"
    It is a challenge to power and authority so it must be got rid of!
    All media coverage even the seemingly pro survivalist ones are designed to make survivalists look evil, stupid, paranoid or just plain nutty!
    and some of them are but the media plays it to make them all bad!
    The .gov wants good obedient worker drones all marching to the same tune and all in unison!
     
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    Here in the US, most preppers are considered crazy or zealots. People actually think that a situation that warrants being prepared for will never happen. This is especially a ridiculous notion after 911 and some of the major hurricanes that we have experienced. I don't really make it well-known to neighbors and friends that I am well-prepared for some sort of disaster though either. I really don't care if any of them think I am crazy, but if or when a situation does occur, I don't want these people thinking they can just bunk up with me and deplete all my supplies and provisions that I have so carefully stowed away for emergencies. Sometimes, I think this attitude is heartless, but the more I really thin about it, we all had an equal opportunity to be prepared for such things to happen. Those that didn't plan should not be as comfortable as those that aren't. Some people argue the economic factor with me, stating that people that are less fortunate don't really have the ability or the funds to plan for such events. However, I live below the poverty level and even though it is hard, I still am able to be more prepared than even my more financially able friends.
     
  12. lonewolf

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    most people in the UK who have an opinion see preppers as a bit "odd" or even "weird", in the days of supermarkets open 24/7 they see no need to prepare, most people though don't even give us a second thought, the most popular saying around here is "it'll never happen", until it does of course.
    most people in the UK haven't got a clue, and carry on as if nothing will ever change, whereas of course "change is inevitable".
     
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    @Arboreal I'm from Greece. As you can probably guess during the economical crisis, people who are preppers around here are the ones that are able to cut down costs the most and minimize expenses by applying their tactics.
    While we haven't found ourselves in food shortage yet (like Venezuela has), historically we've seen times like those back at the times of the German occupation at the 40s and the greek civil war that followed.
     
  14. Lisa

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    I think it depends what you're prepping for, having the resources available to eat and be safe in an emergency event is sensible, making space age weapons to combat the impending alien invasion not so much, haha.
     
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  15. lonewolf

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    you've just fallen for the oldest non prepper cliché.
    what they cannot or will not understand they make a big joke out of.
     
  16. Lisa

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    It was a joke Lonewolf, I don't really think that preppers are waiting for aliens.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    if the aliens have any sense they'll stay a long way away from the human race.
     
  18. Arboreal

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    That's quite interesting, I think people in general underestimate the risk of a economical crisis occuring, and I'm afraid in the unstable global economy we will be seeing more and more fo them in coming decade. Before I started looking into prepping, I thought it was a US thing, it's good that there are so many people into our stuff in Europe.

    That's a pity, I always thought the British, or the English at least, were on average more self-reliant than in other European countries?
     
  19. Lisa

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    On another space topic, scientists are now trying to prepare for the event that one day we might have to try and inhabit Mars once we've completely distroyed this planet. That's some serious survival planning.
     
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  20. lonewolf

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    maybe that was the case in WW2 Britain,but that was over 70 years ago and people have changed, people are in general no longer self reliant-in fact self reliant has become a dirty word, and people rely on the system " from cradle to grade"(literally sometimes).
     
  21. Arboreal

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    That's gotta be the ultimate bug-out plan ever devised - how serious are these plans, however? Its sounds good in a Science fiction plot, like the Interstellar film last year, but it's not a practical solution for next decades - we (we as in, humanity) don't even have a self-relaint habitat on low Earth orbit, let alone on another planet.

    That's regrettable, we keep hearing about the negative results of "Anglo-Saxon rugged individualism" so I thought you guys could also use the upside of this attitude.
     
  22. Lisa

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  23. Correy

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    That happens a lot with generations of people who are used to a very comfortable way of living where everything is provided by the system. It's easy to forget how far we've come as humanity within our civilization from the times where we were in a setting prior to the industrial revolution, where everything that you needed had to be handcrafted either by you or by specialists.

    In first world countries some people are so detached to the way things are made, that they don't even know where their food comes from, how it's grown/raised and how it's processed.

    The fear of uncertainty is more prominent with jobs that have a big risk, like being a farmer, where your entire year's crop could be wiped out by a new strain of bacteria or a locust migration.
     
  24. Tom Williams

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    Truth most think of us as nuts it will never happen. Ok im old i may not live to see it happen but im ready i dont like what i see on the news or the few times a year i go to the city for whatever i do not feel safe anymore so here i am on my farm doing my thing my way life is good here but im ready
     
  25. Lakeisha Brown

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    Sadly, the first time I heard of prepping is when I joined this forum. See, sometimes it pays to be curious. I have learned so much on here.
     
  26. Endure

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    In the tropical countries of southAmerica. Most people would think that a prepper/survivalist is someone from the guerrilla.
     
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    most people don't know where their food comes from, in some case they don't even know which animal, nor do they care, as long as its on the supermarket shelf when they go there.
    a lot of the population are literally scared of the countryside" all that animal dung, we might get a disease!"(I kid you not).
     
  28. filmjunkie08

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    Serious preppers are seen in the US as a little wacko to be honest. Homesteaders on the other hand are seen as people going through a phase. "Let them get it out of their system and then they will come back to reality".
     
  29. Derek Moore

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    Survivalist preppers are seen as a laughing stock and the community. This is due to the fact that most people believe that a disaster will never happen and preppers are just overly cautious. Many also believe in the falicy that prepper could be potential terrorists but in reality, they are just preparing for the worst. In my opinion these people are highly sophisticated in takin precautions in the dangers of the world we have today.
     
  30. dogs of amf

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    That's actually really interesting. Probably an after-effect of Che's campaign through Argentina. If that award-winning 2008 film was any accurate, he and his men had hardly anything and were practically writing the book on successful guerrilla tactics at the end of the war. Given that that was probably the biggest shake-up in 20th century Latin America, there's no wonder people would stereotype so heavily from it.

    Edit: Also, my god, was Che a crazy, crazy project. How many films do you know that get critical acclaim from Cannes and the president of Venezuela? Amazing they managed such a wide-sweeping a film that didn't upset either Marxist or Liberal sensibilities.
     
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  31. BeautifullyBree

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    I do think people in the US share this view. If you share your ideas on survival, or the fact that you prep you're likely to he judged. People often don't understand things they are naive to. They can only hope those who are prepared help them when the time comes.
     
  32. lonewolf

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    most "preppers" in the UK are only hobbyists , its something they do for 6 months or a year at most then they move onto something else and are never heard of again.(I have known several like this personally). they are usually in it for the "social" aspect rather than actually doing any prepping.
    even if they are serious they only "prepare" for short term events, literally a small stock of food and water , enough for a few days a week maximum.
    long term survivalists in the UK are very few in number.
    as for the general public I don't think they are even aware of prepping apart from tv shows like Doomsday Preppers or Bear Grylls Island and that's just "entertainment" and they forget all they have just watched 5 minutes after the closing credits, it just dosent impinge on their daily lives.
     
  33. Keith H.

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    I think there are preppers & there are preppers, I can understand why non preppers may think preppers are a little odd. For instance, why does a prepper become a prepper? I became interested in survival a long time ago, & I am an old man now. Survival then was all about surviving in the wilderness, any home based survival was all about self-reliance & self sufficiency. These days these are all rolled into one. I have had to survive in the past, so I have become a prepper. In other words I can justify being a prepper. But what about those who have never had anything bad happen to them, why do they become preppers?
    There could be several reasons, maybe they just enjoy camping out & their outdoor activities just led them into prepping. Then there are the worry mongers & the conspiracy theorists. These people may in fact have good reason to be worried, but it is these latter preppers that cop the flack & place all other preppers in the same boat in the eyes of the non preppers!
    When you look at the world today, to my thinking we are already living in a Dystopian world! I will use Australia as an example.
    1. Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many people hospitalised or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them. Even if you own a gun for farm work, hunting or target shooting, it is illegal to use that firearm to protect your own life or the lives of your family.



    2. We had all the semi-automatic .22 bunny rifles & shotguns plus all pump actions confiscated. This leaves us under-gunned in comparison to the police & military. The police here have become more militarised of late, with special armoured vehicles & fully automatic assault rifles.
    3. All hand guns here can only be obtained on a restricted "H" class licence, that includes muzzle-loading pistols such as matchlocks, wheelocks & flintlocks!!! Farmers are no longer allowed to carry hand guns for protection in the field, for dispatching sick livestock or shooting feral animals.
    4. We are taxed on just about everything, whilst the big corporations pay NO tax at all to very little tax. In the next budget if the Liberals win there will be further corporate tax cuts. We are even taxed for using composting toilets off grid. Farmers in Victoria are taxed on there own water catchment dams! Our freehold land does not belong to us anymore, if we fail to pay our land taxes we can be evicted & our property sold from under us!!!
    5. Right now the Australian government & the US government are backing the Genocide of our WW2 allies in West Papua. They are training the Indonesian troops who carry out this genocide, & they are financially supporting this genocide. They are doing this to rob the West Papuans of their mineral wealth.
    6. There is a lot more corruption going on here, mostly keeping the poor in their place, evicting Aboriginals from their own land, developing more coal mines that are polluting our environment, prioritising mining over farming, making it illegal to peacefully protest against mining companies forcing their way onto private farms, domestic violence is rife in Australia & the government has cut funding to women's crisis centers & closed many down, on any given night there are 105,000 homeless people in Australia, & our government is spending $50 million on a new Captain Cook memorial!!!
    This & more is happening here & now, just how safe do you think we feel? On top of this you have all the other possible survival scenarios that can happen worldwide that will effect our survival & quality of life.

    Well non preppers can think what they like, I will wager if you look at your own government & your own country's situation you will find plenty to worry about.
    Keith.
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  34. TexDanm

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    Damn Kieth that sort of thing makes my skin crawl!! I view your government as a terrorist organization.

    I have never liked the term "Prepper" mostly because of the way the media presented it. The preppers that they show on TV shows are mostly joke. I remember a woman that had like 5 years of gourmet food stored in her basement. She bragged that while others might be starving that SHE would be fat and sassy eating well. She lived in a regular residential house in the suburbs of a large city!!! Guess where all her neighbors are going to be when they get hungry?? She failed to understand that being prepared means more than just having a lot of food stored. You have to be able to protect it and it is best if very few even know what you have.

    Because of this sort of coverage preppers are or actually were seen as basically nuts that wear tin foil hats. It is basically dying out now and returning to what it has always been before this last little surge of interest. The real survivors are still out there. We are fairly quiet about what he have or are doing as far as the people around you knowing what you are up to. For people like me that have been looking at things as shaky for 45 years this is actually more comfortable. Honestly all those sheeple running around with assault rifles and MREs make me nervous. They are idiots and are just into prepping because they are followers. To them it is just the latest fad and their understanding is shallow and dangerous.

    Then you have the people that are building fortresses and spending unbelievable amounts on weapons. When their food supplies are gone they won't have anything unless they just start stealing stuff from others. Survival versus prepping seems to be a matter of balance. You need some stored foods but you also need to look at gardening, livestock, hunting, fishing and foraging. There is so much more to surviving than just food and guns. Too many preppers don't seem to have a plan B, C, and D.

    I am going to hunker down and bug in where I am BUT I also have bug out bags and plans in case I have to run. I have gardens but also know what I can forage from the wild and have no worry that I will starve EVER. Prepping is unfortunately based on preparing for a forseem disaster. Survival is about learning a set of skills and having the minimal amount of tools that will allow you to adapt to and survive under any survivable situation.
     
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  35. lonewolf

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    I've never called myself a prepper, my wife says I am definitely a survivalist because I look at things with a long term view, having a stock of food and water is only a stop gap, what happens after all the food and water is consumed? I think skills and knowledge is what will help us to survive in the long run, self reliance not relying on other people.
     
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  36. Keith H.

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    Good post Tex. xNxjkgTECFTb1YhSqDt7ISRJw2dVYz8r.jpeg
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  37. Keith H.

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  38. Old Geezer

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    The people back up in the hollars are all "preppers". If you ask them what a prepper is, they'll have absolutely no idea. OK, so maybe in this day and age they'll know, however they won't think preppers are strange. In the hills of Southern Appalachia, there are more guns than people ... add to the people-number the number of their dogs and cats. Everybody has food put back -- but not like back when. When I was a boy, there'd be a year's supply of food my grandmother had canned or we could forage -- and a lot of foraging we did for food and remedies. Grandma would have salt and pepper put back, and home grown pickled peppers for spices ... plus the mountain-picked spices, herbs, and mints.

    This apparently was healthy. If you lived past childhood and some accident or feud didn't kill you, often-times people lived to be 85 - 100 years old. Many of my kin, my grandparents lived to be over 90; one close lived to be 100. Too, there's the matter of them just being too dang stubborn to die -- no joke, I'm being serious about them. My mom's dad died then kept on living. That man scared-off the grim reaper. His eyes could melt the eyes of a hawk.
     
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  39. BurtGummer

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    I'm from France.
    Here preppers (we are using survivalist) are consider as weird paranos. Mostly in town.
    In the contry side that's a bit different. There's a lot of hunter, people consider the gouvernement is far from them. They don't trust in the system. There is a lot of preppers.
    The other point is about security. Our laws about weapons are very restrictive. Survivalist are consider like dangerous paranos.
     
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  40. TexDanm

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    People that live in the more rural places just have a different view of a lot of things. With no cops you have better be prepared to defend your place. We have hogs that will get belligerent and there is always the snakes and and ocasional rabid skunk. I went to war with a longhorn bull one time over my garden. He was a good critter but could jump like a lipizzan stallion and occasionally got the wanderlust if he was downwind of a cow in heat on another pasture. After visiting with his lady friend he really liked to catch a snack before going home. When you live in the country you are expected to just deal with things. I have a 6' signal whip that I am deadly with and I chased the bull home and watched him go right over a 4 strand barbed wire fence with at least a foot to spare in clearance.

    When it is a 40 mile round trip, 20 miles each way, to a big store you tend to keep more food on hand. Delivery pizza is only in your dreams and if you get hurt you had better be able to get yourself to the hospital because ambulance service is iffy out in the woods.

    All of this adds up to a people that are pretty prepared compares to their city cousins without ever really thinking about it as prepping. A lot of people can their own food from the garden. I've know several people that got nearly all of their meat from hunting and fishing. I probably feed a half dozen households fish all the time. I pulled 20 pounds of fish filets out of the freeze yesterday for a memorial day fish fry. I average about 20 to 30 pounds a month of all meat fillets. I have a friend that I feed fish to his family year around and he keeps my entire familly in venison.

    None of this is prepping it is just how you live when you live in the country. Nobody thinks that it is odd to have a big pantry full of food. Another thing around here that is different is that because of all the prisons most of the blue collar people here only get paid once a month. The butcher shops have meat packages that they sell for people that only shop for groceries once a month. Also guards tend to be of a sort of pessimistic mind set and tend to think ahead more than other folks.

    In general the ants in the ant piles think anyone that lives on a dirt road is already pretty primitive so who really cares about what the sheeple think anyway?
     
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  41. Old Geezer

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    Let the sheeple laugh. They'll not be laughing so much when their ribs are sticking out of their skin. And when it hits the fan, show no mercy. When they had the time to prepare, they hosed their resources away. These sheeple fall into two categories; they are arrogant or they are pathetic. Disgusting.
     
  42. BurtGummer

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    For sure but we are a lot in a small cowntry. desesperate ppl can be dangerous. Most of them are unarmed but they are a lot.
    The rule for preppers here is the low profile.
     
  43. lonewolf

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    I live a 50 mile round trip from a supermarket-and that's not even a big one!
    if you have a serious accident out here they call out the air ambulance (helicopter) as its a 30 mile ride( best part of an hours drive ) to the emergency room.
    post SHTF we will have to be self reliant, there wont be any other option.
     
  44. Ystranc

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    In the end it's about public perception more than fact. The public are led by the media who in turn will only ever chase the most sensational stories. This means that the media will only ever show the crazy side of prepping (and there are plenty of crazies out there to supply them with a story) the media never write about the wise person who keeps a well stocked larder and is capable of keeping a cool head while looking after themselves or others during a crisis (who would Want to buy that boring old story? It sounds like my Grandma)
    Truthfully forums like this can contribute to the misinformation because the crazies (oops sorry, active members) tend to be more likely to express strong opinions when they believe that they're amongst like minded people. (these forums are often watched by search engines used by journalists searching for source material) We need to keep our statements factual and uncontravertial if we want to escape negative media attention.
     
  45. lonewolf

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    most "normal" non prepping people are afflicted with Normalcy Bias, the attitude that nothing bad will happen and nothing will change, whereas change has been happening for as long as human beings have walked the earth. if it hadn't we'd still be living in caves and wearing animal skins.
    the media will never report anything factual about prepping or survival, its all about ratings and profit margins , not truth.
     
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