What Products Or Tools Are Necessities?

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  1. ObsessedWOLF

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    hi i'm Michael and i'm new to this survival phenomenon. Recent events, happening around the globe, have pushed me to start to prepare on my own. So i was wondering if you guys could give me any pointers, or list tools and products that are essential.

    Thank you
     
  2. lonewolf

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    food, water, shelter and security, in that order.
     
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      I disagree. In some situations, shelter needs to be first. We can go days without negative effects from food. Don't forget medical if you are badly bleeding you may have only minutes. Barring medical emergency, I would do shelter, fire, water(fire first so you can boil the water and cook the food), food and then security depending upon your specific needs for the scenario.
       
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  3. ObsessedWOLF

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    are there any tools that you recommend? thank you for your reply btw
     
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  4. watcherchris

    watcherchris Master Survivalist
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    This morning I picked up a second Ruger Government MK II target pistol...to supplement the one I currently have.

    This is a ten shot Bull Barreled very accurate semi automatic pistol...calibrated in .22 Long rifle.

    https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-government-target-model.cfm?gun_id=101162530


    I plan to clean it up and put some Dow Corning Silicon O ring grease on and in it as a moisture barrier before putting it in the back or boot of my car to compliment the Savage Model 24 C Combination gun in .22 long rifle barrel on the top of a 20 gauge shotgun....an over under arrangement.

    I thought a very accurate .22 long rifle pistol would be a good compliment to this combination gun.

    Somewhere down the road..I want to get another .22 long rifle bolt action rifle.....with good iron sights...but capable of mounting glass on it if needed.

    I like a bolt action in .22 long rifle...

    This is the fourth piece I have purchased off the club bulletin board from other members....simple person to person exchange..no paperwork. I prefer it thusly.

    This is not a necessity per se...but it will be very complimentary to other preps...particularly if one needs to bug out...or even walk out.


    Keep them in the X ring,

    Watcherchris

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  5. ObsessedWOLF

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    Hey man, thank you for your post! extremely helpful!!
     
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  6. Sourdough

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    We would really need "Some" of information about you......General Information......not specific info.. Like roughly how old you are, roughly where you reside, etc..
    Otherwise it is a waste of time for you and those attempting to help you.

    Surely you can see that it make a large difference if you are 13 y/o or 67 y/o and if you live in an Alaska or Canadian bush village or downtown massive metropolitan violent city.

    Just rough info. not exact info.

    And just so as you understand......the way you worded your first post is "EXACTLY" how adolescent trolls do, for their own kicks and giggles.
     
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  7. ObsessedWOLF

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    Fair enough, i'm Michael and i'm 23 and i live in Belgium.... the way of wording my first post is due to the fact that english is not my mother tongue...i live not in a massive but rather small violent city that is victim to the drugtrade. My city is known as the gateway of drug import in Europe. recently numerous incidents happend in my city. This in combination with all events happening know, made me aware that i need to start prepping and go as primitive as i can. btw there is nothing fun or giggly about asking a genuine question... it would be a waste of time if anyone would ask a question just for the kicks of it....because there is nothing funny about it.

    thanks for your reply
     
  8. Sourdough

    Sourdough "ALASKAN"
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    You may be surprised to learn it is a everyday occurrence on several survival forums. I meant no disrespect to you.

    Is moving to a different location an option for you........You are in the same situation as millions of Americans who are attempting to solve the same problem about there they live.

    Most of us feel that if there is a massive SHTF event, that large city inhabitants have nearly all the cards stacked against them.

    I always say the most important thing that people can do is get away from other humans. Yes.......I understand that is hard.
     
  9. ObsessedWOLF

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    i don't want to accept it but you are right sir.... humans are the species responsible for this mess,.... hmmm i next to tools, i need to put "finding a place" also on my checklist... but for sake of my checklist; are there any special equipment you use? or want to have? that you think that i should have one ?
     
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  10. Alaskajohn

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    I was assigned to SHAPE near Mons. I loved Belgium. Post SHTF, life in Belgium will be complicated a bit by the three languages and cultures that are a bit at odds with each other. I assume you are in the Flemish or Dutch speaking section?

    I know that shotgun ownership was pretty common, I’d recommend you get one. I would think that would be the last thing confiscated with the love of hunting in most rural areas of Belgium. Of course this was common in the French speaking areas of Belgium.

    You have some big challenges living in your area due to large populations and the potential for considerable environmental catastrophes due to large industries and prevalence of nuclear power assuming these aren’t shut down correctly.

    As far as gear, think food, water, shelter, clothing and security as mentioned above. Start with a list for each of these areas and research what you will need. Prioritize and start to solve for what you lack. Like most of us, you probably don’t have abundance of cash, so you will have to prioritize. Food and water should be a priority. Maybe start with having a 3 day supply, and when you get that, build up a 2 week supply. When you get there, start spreading your money around to solve for food, water, shelter, clothing, and security.
     
  11. ObsessedWOLF

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    hey thanks man thiss was very useful
     
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  12. Sourdough

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    This is just my opinion..........but in the event of a massive SHTF event, and you are in a highly populated area (or truth be told even lightly populated area) your pretty screwed. Having 100 guns and five years of food and water will mean very little once things get raw savage. Entire cities will burn from every direction. Sorry......For what it is worth most of the people around the world that are prepping, but are in a high population area, are only going to live a few days or weeks longer then neighbors.

    Even people who live in very rural or extremely rural countryside, are going to be shocked at what happens and how fast it happens.

    As to tools........they will all be of little use if you can't escape the cities. If I lived in a large populated area, I would do very little prepping.
     
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    I agree slightly with IBME, as reading your first post can make some people roll eyes. Because if you would spend some time reading through this forum, you would find much information without asking the basic questions again. But no offence, it is just MHO.
     
  14. TMT Tactical

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    First : Warm Welcome from the Arizona valley folks. USA

    I am an Urban Prepper and yes you will stand a much better prepping chance away from highly populated areas. With that being said, I do plan to be the "Last Man Standing" in my neighborhood / community. You have been given great advice about storing WATER, FOOD and having shelter. You also need to learn about being the "GRAY MAN" in any environment. There are plenty of YT video's (don't drink the Koolaid and believe it all) about this practice, but it will be an absolute must if you plan to stay in a populated area. To be the "Last Man Standing" you have to outlast everybody else. That mean having a lot more food, water, cooking / heating fuel and the ability to use it and keep it without your neighbors noticing. The other must have is City Skills. Can you pick a lock" Do you know where to find water AFTER the water pump have shut down? Do you have paper maps of the city? Do you have any selected BUG OUT locations that are near your current location? How will you fortify your current location? How can you escape from your current location, if attacked? What are the current danger zones in your city? What hands on trade skills do you have? There are a million things I could list and ask about but that is enough food for thought, for now.
     
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  15. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    In addition to tools, some practical pointers from someone who has first-hand knowledge of severe urban SHTF situations may prove helpful. And, from this, you can expand and customize your list of tools based on your location.

    Have you heard of Selco? He is very well-known and respected in the online survival community, and I used to read his earliest writings and posts in various places. Now he is condensing his experience and knowledge for easy consumption: https://shtfschool.com/about/

    Here is a blurb from his site:

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    My name is Selco and I am from the Balkan region, and as some of you may know it was hell here from 92-95, anyway, for 1 whole year I lived and survived in a city WITHOUT: electricity, fuel, running water, real food distribution, or distribution of any goods, or any kind of organized law or government.

    The city was surrounded for 1 year and in that city actually it was SHTF situation. We were all thrown into this and our allies were our enemies from one day to the next. Today I’m prepared but I learned a lot going through this hard time.


    Excerpted from https://shtfschool.com/about/

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    On another board (https://www.survivalistboards.com/), I have read reviews from the longstanding forum members who bought the course, and they said that it was more than worth the price paid, and highly recommended it.

    You could also glean some info from this part of Selco's website: http://community.shtfschool.com/forums/


    Edited to add: Welcome to here! We are happy to help in any way we can. Don't worry too much about your command of the English language (which is very good and better than some native speakers I've heard in my community). :)

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  16. watcherchris

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    ObsessedWOLF,

    I work in a shipyard ...and daily I carry with me a Mag light...with spare AA Batteries..4 each. At work I keep a Amateur radio dual band walkie talkie..with spare batteries for it in a locker specially hidden from most people. I also keep in there a shortwave set...which also takes AA type batteries.

    This set here...capable of tuning in single side band transmissions...AM/FM as well as the shortwave bands.

    https://www.amazon.com/Tecsun-PL-66...=tecsun+pl660&qid=1553381839&s=gateway&sr=8-2

    I keep a second Tecsun PL 660 radio receiver here next to this computer in the box..ready to go.

    My Amateur Radio Walkie talkie...

    https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-BF-F...p&qid=1553381981&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1


    On my hip daily is a set of Folding pliers....my Mag Light..and also a set of feeler gauges..as I am a machinist in a shipyard.

    I also have in my back pocket right now a set of lockpicks for which many years of working in this shipyard have taught me to use as well as fabricate if needed. Lock shims as well.

    This is a skill which has come in handy several times when locked out of my truck as well as my home and garage.

    I have food and a fold up sterno cooker stove in my locker at work as well...should I be stuck there for a few days...I will not be at the mercy of the vending machines....which will be quickly emptied.

    Also in my daily backpack I carry anti biotic ointments for cuts and bruises....aspirin....and sewing gear...needles thread ..etc etc...tweezers..

    Disposable lighters are a good idea should you be stuck out side and need to build a fire....vasoline gel as a firesarter....accelerator.

    I keep a small jar of vasoline and a five pack of disposable lighters....also a small magnifying glass as well in my daily back pack..

    A good knife is a must. I like the Mora knives ...for as inexpensive as they are...simple and well made.

    I also keep on me all the time a folding knife. The French Opinel knife is a good knife for the money.

    My folder is made from tool steel...and is a Kubey.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FSJY8RZ/ref=twister_B07G81YVRJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1


    I have a daily BOB...bug out bag/get home bag I carry with me daily to and fro work..whether I drive or take my scooter...it is with me....food..rain gear/poncho..in it.

    I have an amateur radio base station upstairs with both short and long range capabilities.

    I was a short wave listener long before I got my amateur radio license. I learned long ago how deceitful our media is here in the states...by listening to short wave.

    Years ago I spoke with a fellow in a place called Mol, Belgium...for about 45 minutes...when I was a radio pirate...on my CB.

    Rudy could speak good English and told me he was Flemish...

    I like to keep my Amateur radio walkie talkie close to me at work and often take it up to the roof of my building some 85 feet up for getting out and receive to greater distances. I don't like being totally dependent on a cell phone...because I know the government can shut down cellphones quickly if needed.


    There is more but this is how I am set up....

    I keep bags in my various vehicles and go through them from time to time and change out the dried food stuffs in there.

    At work I keep two Gatorade plastic bottles with drinking water in them in in the refrigerator in addition to the one bottle I carry with me daily. My name is marked on my three bottles ...and I buy new Gatorade bottles occasionally . I don't like Gatorade...but the bottles are heavy duty..which is why I buy them.
    Point being these water bottles are pre positioned if I suddenly need them.

    If something goes down I know to get to the refrigerator and grab those two bottles and put them in my daily backpack as well as my walkie talkie and shortwave set.

    Just a start...hope this helps ObsessedWOLF.

    Lots of people on these boards with good ideas...just ask.

    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
    1. Sonofliberty
      If you are a machinist, consider making a few bump keys for the most popular lock sets used in your area. Not exactly legal, but much faster than picking a lock when speed may be more important than stealth.
       
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  17. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    I like it when the same questions are asked again, because

    1) It produces new answers from folks who joined since the time the original questions were asked.

    2) We often see completely new input from the original posters who chimed in before, simply because their memories were jogged a bit more.

    3) This board has not been around for a long time, so the database from which to draw from is not real big.


    So, ask away! It's a good thing.


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  18. TexDanm

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    TOOLS!!! One of my favorite topics. You need tools to accomplish various objectives so the FIRST thing that you need to do is make a plan on how you will try to survive things if they get out of control. The tools needed for urban survival are different from what you would want to bug out to the countryside.

    In urban survival, you will want some tools for breaching and breaking into places. You will need weapons for close work. Where I live guns and knives are legal to carry but even without that I have always been "armed". A ripping type carpenters hammer is a vicious weapon as is an ax or hatchet. A crowbar is a brutal club and has many uses.

    I think that the first tool everyone should have is a good multitool. It will offer you a knife blade, a saw, screwdrivers and maybe a file and scissors. The second thing would be a good fixed blade knife. For the short term a good flashlight that is made strong enough to be a weapon in an emergency.

    The small things that you need are SEVERAL different ways to make fire. You need a pot to cook in and to boil water. I carry a little pouch that has a plastic poncho, a mylar survival blanket, a 55-gallon garbage bag, some heavy foil, a gallon and quart ziplock bag, a hand full of 1-quart water sterilizing tablets, and an unlubricated condom. This provides warmth a cooking pan, a way to carry and purify water and gather food. Wrap the pouch in a bandana and it fits in your pants pocket.

    If you plan to go out into the countryside that brings in an entirely new set of needs. You will need tools to process wood and tools to grow food and build shelters. At the very least you will need a good trenching tool, a large hatchet, and a pruning saw.

    You tell me what you want to do and I will offer you choices as far as what tools to do that.
     
  19. randyt

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    It may have been posted already but collect knowledge and own it and own it by practicing it. Tools are great but without knowledge and experience I'm not sure what good they are.
     
  20. ObsessedWOLF

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    hmmm.... you certainly gave my mind something to think about. thank you for the tips
     
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  21. ObsessedWOLF

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    you're right i've approached problem wrongly... i need to become more knowledgaeble about the topic... thank you for the reply
     
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    You have to start somewhere. As you get the tools learn to use them, learn the plants and such in your area and use them. Hunt if it's allowed, practice, practice, practice.
     
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  23. ObsessedWOLF

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    wow i'm speechless, thank you for sharing your wisdom. this forum is great so many attentive people just helping each other.... this world needs more helpful people just like yourselsf Watcherchris
     
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  24. ObsessedWOLF

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    thank you for sharing, you're awesome
     
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  25. ObsessedWOLF

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    initially i wanted to stay in the city but other members of this forum adviced me to leave the city, so i honestly have not decided what i'm gonna do. on the one hand i cant just leave the city but on the other hand, the other members are right.
    what's your opinion on this? i'm curious? btw thank you for sharing your knowledge
     
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  26. ObsessedWOLF

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    this community is really wonderfull, i really appreciate your help, as i said, to others that have replied to my post, this world definitly can use people such as yourself... thank you for sharing your wisdom
     
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  27. ObsessedWOLF

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    i'm not familiar with "gray man" but i'll look it up on youtube... thank you for sharing your knowledge sir
     
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    Gray man is simply dressing and acting in a way to not stand out in the crowd. The theory is that this increases your odds of surviving by not making yourself a target. There are pluses and minuses with this theory.
     
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  29. watcherchris

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    ObsessedWOLF,

    "The Gray Man" is an expression to describe a person who blends in naturally ..no one notices him......in contrast to stars and popular leaders. Gray Man blends in so naturally you hardly notice them..a stone in a field of stones so to speak.

    And that is often the desire..with preppers ...not to be noticed in certain environments.


    About tools and batteries to run them. I try to stay around a common battery to ease the supply difficulties. Mostly I tend to choose electronics which take AA type batteries...my mag light and also my shortwave set take AA type batteries and I buy them by the box of 40. I keep several 40 count boxes around. If you have children ...you need to keep them out of your emergency supplies of batteries....for children can go through batteries quickly with their electronic toys and before you know it you are out of batteries and no one knows where they went. They are for emergency uses...not for playing....or entertainment.


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
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  30. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    ObsessedWOLF, you may want to take a look at another thread here, titled: "Lonewolf Survival Realities..."

    I jumped into that thread with a series of posts that outlined my first-hand SHTF experiences regarding that topic, starting with the link below and continuing on towards the end of the thread.

    Click this link to read my experiences which start in post #28: Lonewolf Survival Realities Vs. The Group (and Bigger Is Better) Theory.

    As they say, "your mileage may vary." Someone like IBME, who lives in a very remote part of Alaska can probably get away with living completely isolated from humankind for a long time. But the rest of us, unless we live in a barely inhabitable remote part of the world, don't have that luxury.

    If you don't actually own wilderness land, you may want to take this into consideration (IBME, AlaskaJohn, and SonofLiberty have heard me say this before, so my apologies to them for the repetition here):

    "Disappearing into the wilderness" can be a problem because the local-to-the-wilderness people will NOT take kindly to folks jumping into their hunting grounds.

    Unless the area is something like interior Alaska, most of the wilderness in the USA (and elsewhere) is favored and well-known by the nearest locals. You better believe they will protect their "turf" in a heartbeat.

    They will likely already be madder than sunburned bobcats because of trespassers passing through their homeplaces...you know, the urbanites bugging out and needing to get from point A to B...and the roads are FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition). "Oh well, dang this fence...I need to get to point B, I'll just quickly pass thru..." Yeah, that will get pretty old with landowners in a hurry.

    I suspect that those who plan to survive in the wild will be in more danger than if they stayed home. There are so many ways you can die Out There...Up until SHTF, the two-leggeds are not that serious of a problem. After SHTF, all bets are off, and you can be picked off pretty easily in the woods.

    Food for thought, anyway.



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  31. Old Geezer

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    To better assist you, I have questions:

    > Have you done military service? I ask so as to learn if you have had firearms and/or wilderness training. What firearms are you allowed to own? Example: .22 cal. rimfire rifle? How about a shotgun? Are pump shotguns allowed? What about over-under or side-by-side double barrel shotguns? Is the .22 magnum rimfire rifle and ammunition allowed in Belgium? The .22 magnum rimfire rifle is much more lethal than the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. Is a special license required for a bolt-action center-fire rifle? If so, could you purchase a rifle in 7.62 NATO caliber? Would you be allowed to keep that rifle in your own home?

    > Were you willing to migrate to other countries, which languages do you speak? Sprechen sie Deutsch? How about French or Spanish? Austria has fewer restrictions on their citizens, however they may not want new migrants at this point in time ... UNLESS you can converse in their dialect of German and have skills needed in their workforce. I also do not know if Austria would require that you do military service.

    > If you are willing to migrate, then how about Canada? Ever thought about Canada? Huge place Canada. Most of Canada can get super-cold during winter, but then Belgium can get very cold. An uncle of mine almost died in the Battle of the Bulge -- not just from German artillery and machine-gun fire, but from the dang cold. He told me about the things he and his men had to do to keep from freezing. Half his company were killed (German tree-top burst artillery shells tore the men apart). German buzz-bombs almost got my dad.

    > Does your family or the families of friends of yours own land there in Belgium? That would be great.

    I've not asked you about coming to the USA. Michael, things are going to go really, really bad here in America. I believe that things are going to go super-bad in Belgium also. You don't want to escape one bad situation only to end up in just another bad situation. Canada, especially rural Canada could be spared many of the horrors that are going to befall other Western nations. If you have technical skills / skills needed in Canada, then Canada will be open to your seeking residency there.

    Michael, you are so very young. I am making the assumption that you are in descent health -- you've said nothing to the contrary. Therefore, let me say that now is a prime time of your life to make a home for yourself in a place that is safer and more given to individual freedom than where you are currently living. Let me ask that if it is at all possible, you do some traveling. Travel, meet the people, learn how they go about their lives.

    I made the mistake of staying where I grew up for far too long. I did it for family. I did it because I knew my own people, my own culture. Whatever ... it turned out to be a screw-up for me. I should have left. My people were soon dead anyway. The longer you stay, the heavier the chains.

    Find a place where you will be free. Find a mate who will not stand in your way and make sure you don't become an anchor for her, either. Pick a career that will always be in demand. Learn to fix & build necessary societal infrastructure equipment. Health fields / hospital work will also always be in demand. Having core skills is a part of being one of the survivors.

    Michael, as you yourself have witnessed, your area is going downhill quickly. Well buddy, it is true all across Europe. Just because there have been two world wars fought on European soil doesn't mean that there couldn't be a third. Violent anti-civilized behavior is eating European cities even as we write. You have no doubt speculated on what the fall of the euro would bring, rioting on top of rioting on top of rioting. Nowadays when the savages riot, they loot. Since the people of Europe are disarmed, they are going to lose everything.

    If you can, get out of that place.
     
  32. TexDanm

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    The problem with trying to stay in cities is that they all have the same basic problem. There are WAY too many people in an area that is totally dependent on outside sources of nearly everything that a human needs to survive. A big city is kept alive by constant deliveries of groceries, power, and water that seldom is locally sourced. The entire infrastructure of the city is maintained by around the clock efforts of hundreds to thousands of people that are hauling off garbage, treating and disposing of the sewage, putting out fires, protecting people and keeping the criminal element under control.

    The fact is that within a matter of days all of this will stop and a city will become a death trap with no food, no water, sewage and garbage in the streets and gutters, endless fires and the criminal element is going to be looting and killing each other as they try to stake out their territories in what will soon be a dead ghost town. The bigger the city the more certain this prognostication is. Smaller cities that grew out more than up will probably last longer but in the end there just are not enough resources in a small area whether in a city or out in the countryside to support hundreds of thousands of people.

    If you are going to try to ride it out in an urban environment you need to address a few things as soon as possible. water is a MUST that you can't skimp on. You need storage and several ways to make water clean and safe to drink. I personally have several water filters ranging from survival straw type through a 5-gallon gravity filter. I also have a rocket stove and a three or four-gallon pot for boiling water. I also have water purification pills for both quart size and five-gallon size batches, and several pounds of pool shock. You have GOT to have water.

    Food is a lot easier. For one thing, you won't die if you miss some meals. Even in a city, there will be a lot of things to eat not even counting stored foodstuff. You can improve that by planting root plants in odd places at night. Nobody in a city knows what a potato, yam, sweet potato or peanut plant looks like while it is growing. Harvest from your secret gardens at night. there are also a lot of plants that are excellent protein sources that are generally considered weeds and grow wild in cities in vacant lots. Find out what you have available. All of this is of course in addition to having as much food on hand as possible for your situation.

    You are going to want to be as near invisible as possible. Even doing that though you will also need to be prepared to defend yourself. You need to get the most effective killing weapons that are available to you where you live. I have a big pile of guns and ammo but understand that isn't possible everywhere. What you want is a DEADLY weapon. The reason I so accentuate the DEADLY part is simple. Even when outnumbered if you have a weapon that will do massive damage to whoever you get to first nobody wants to be the first person to close with you.

    A club is good but people will worry about it hurting them. They might feel brave and try you on. Take the same situation and instead of a club you have an ax and they most likely won't feel near as brave. I like ax type weapons, and spears with a sharp knife-like blades. If you only have a club put nails in it. You want to be able to convince an attacker that there has got to be someone else that is better to mess with than you. Guns are best but whatever you have needs to be as intimidating as possible. ALWAYS remember that the best weapon that you can have is the one that you never have to use. Hide, be sneaky but if pushed and cornered strike FIRST.

    Lastly, you need to be prepared to bug out if your circumstances become impossible. That will require a kit that you can carry that will provide you with the necessities while you are on the move looking for a new place to settle. You will need to cover the basics. Shelter, clothing, water, food, fire, first aid, tools, and weapons.
     
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    Excellent advice TexDanm.
     
  34. lalakai

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    There's always something more to add, another tool, another skill, another fall-back. Start slow.

    Establish enough food and water to last yourself (and family if that's the situation) 3 days. Then build to 7 days. It's a hotly debated topic.....how long to stay versus bugging out?? If the situation is going to be relatively short (less than 7 days........hurricane situation......flooding), most preppers will stay where they have most of their supplies and gear. After 7 days the situation will severely turn negative and most local social/law enforcement structures will collapse. Hurricane Katrina was a tremendous teaching experience not only for how people tried to survive, but also how local governments responded (door to door weapon seizures by the local police).

    If you have to leave your home base, take what you can comfortably/safely travel with. Think of it as an extended camping trip.....what can you and those with you carry on your backs?? Small portable water filtration/purification system, system to light a fire, items needed to cook, light weight dried foods, good quality foot gear, you can never have enough rope, good first aid kit, required meds, all purpose tools (high quality tarp is critical, hammer/hatchet, multi-purpose knife, folding saw, sewing kit, ect). Many preppers have vehicles set with gear/supplies, for the trip to a secondary location, but make sure your primary items are already in a backpack. If you have to ditch your vehicle or it breaks down, or it gets taken from you, there may not be time to put those items together.

    Practice!!! Could you grab a bag and be out the door in 5 minutes, with the ability to survive completely on your own, with just what you have in the pack? Learn to be a "Grey Man".....avoid attention, don't stand out, don't advertise that you have food and water, while everyone near you is hungry and thirsty.

    And yes, last one is your choice regarding a weapon. Only carry a firearm that you are completely comfortable with and can use instinctively. In a critical situation, not remembering how to release the safety, change a mag, clear a mis-fire....it will probably be fatal for you. I love my bolt action 30.06 but it won't be my go-to weapon.

    good luck and welcome to the forum
     
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  35. Old Geezer

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    I second this man's statement.

    Simply look at the numbers, such as, persons per square kilometer. I mean, its in your face. The cities haven't any space for gardens -- some cities have a few garden spaces, but dear lord, what a joke.

    As I've said before, we have a small garden, but last year we got from it, over 300 summer squash & zucchini and as many tomatoes (hundreds), add to that onions and bell peppers and I don't even know how many Thai peppers (we planted Thai peppers in with our flower gardens at the front of the house, peppers are pretty, have massive amounts of flavanoids, and give flavor to bland foods). We had problems canning what was left over from what we immediately ate. We still have enough dried zucchini preserves to make a dozen or more bread loaves. ------ All this from a small garden. In hard times, I'll multiply this size by four+. We put back bagged pasta and rice for the bulk of get-by food (I use oxygen-absorber packs put into LARGE glass jars, cases with packing about them). Always put back bulk rice and a lot of it. A battalion Sgt. Major drilled this into me.

    You can store food even if you live in a big city, but how are you gonna protect it? You can have a kerosene stove in a big city, but how are you gonna protect this. After the hurricanes in Puerto Rico, the armed gangs owned all of the generators and all of the gas grills. The unarmed people were left without or were shot. Their police did NOT come to save them from the savages.
     
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  36. CountryGuy

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    So with what has been mentioned above I'm curious. Before finding the people here what did you plan? I'd like to see an in-depth discussion from you of what your plan was or is? Are you planing for staying in or leaving out of your homw or town? Do you have family or friends living in areas that might be better to go to if things get bad? What kind of event(s) are you thinking would occur to require you to take action? What is your background - things like eduction, career, hobbies etc... are you mechanical minded? Do you have experience in the outdoors hiking and camping? What if any preps have you already made? Food? Water? A bug out bag, etc? Interested to know more about who and where you are in your journey and to see how serious you are in this. Also, please let us know what laws you might have to deal or that ban you from say owning or having guns or even carrying a knife, are you even permitted to protecting yourself if it were hand to hand, even are there any laws banning you from stockpiling food?
     
  37. poltiregist

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    What tools are necessities ? Tools for cutting wood for warmth and cooking . I have 5 two man cross cut saws plus axes for this choir . You can't depend on getting fuel for a chainsaw . If you have to carry your wood cutting tool a long distance , you may want to look at a lighter and more compact tool .
     
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  38. ObsessedWOLF

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    Well to be honest, before i found this forum i've watched youtube videos, then i started to plan what tools i'm gonna be needing. afterwards i stumbled on this forum and people here explained that there is more to it then just having the right equipment, such as staying in town or leaving. i live in a small town in belgium, and these couple of weeks were a bit hectic due to explosions occuring in the city, people playing with grenades made me more aware that i need starting to prep. i'm currently a student at the university of antwerp, and no i'm not mechanical minded, but i'm a quick learner, plus i've not much experience in camping or hiking, but i know that anything is possible with the right knowledge. laws here make gun ownership extremely difficult... almost impossible, and knives can't be bigger then the width of your handpalm or else it will be considered as a murder weapon... i started to prep food and water as recommended by other members of this forum. my next step is to make a plan with the knowledge i've gathered here including trying to answer all the questions in your reply.
     
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  39. ObsessedWOLF

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    thank you for sharing your knowledge
     
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  40. ObsessedWOLF

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    if i understand this correctly "gray man" means to go full stealth? does this mean that you have to do everything solo or? because there is no reason to live if you don't have your family with you
     
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  41. ObsessedWOLF

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    wow... you sir are incredibly knowledgeable.. thank you for sharing
     
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  42. ObsessedWOLF

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    hmmm.... very thought provoking.. thank you for opening my eyes.. you right Europe is already a battle zone... i was thinking on staying and going full urban but now i'm not sure anymore... i definitly have alot to think about
     
  43. ObsessedWOLF

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    hey man i'm really grateful for your knowledge
     
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  44. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Think of other food sources besides the normal...such as birds. Youtube is a great source of all kinds of innovative bird-traps that can be made from natural or commonly found items. Also, look up Youtube videos on how to "breast out" doves, and that will help give you an idea of how to get the most meat from the bird. Then boil the rest of the bird to make a meat stock, and pick what meat you can from the bones. Crack the bones (reserve some fragments for making fish hooks) before boiling to get the most flavor and nutrients from the marrow (be careful not to accidentally injure yourself with sharp bone fragments).

    Fishhooks can be made from pieces of bone or hard twigs sharpened at both ends, with a notch carved out of the middle to attach fishing line and to keep it from slipping off. Fishing line can be made from plant fibers. (Fun and easy!)

    I highly recommend this book,

    Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills - by McPherson -This is some of the best instructional information you'll find anywhere. covering basic information for living off the land, including making meat & cooking; fashioning primitive tools, weapons, containers & shelters; tanning, clothing, fire, cordage & lots more! 408 pgs, 700 photos & illus.

    If you can order from Amazon in your country, that would be great, but if not, these folks do ship internationally from Texas, USA. http://www.crazycrow.com/primitive-o...urvival-skills


    Also, on the matter of finding wild plants for food and medicine, BE CAREFUL!!!!! There are many poisonous look-alikes that will kill you, or at least make you wish you were dead.

    This thread may be useful to you in that regard:
    https://mysurvivalforum.com/threads...le-medicinal-plant-id-method.6106/#post-40710

    Some more useful threads to chew on:

    https://mysurvivalforum.com/threads/best-animal-for-the-apocalypse.5620/#post-42186

    https://mysurvivalforum.com/threads/best-animal-for-the-apocalypse.5620/#post-42186


    Also, put this on your radar for future possibilities if things get really bad, and your other options are few:

    (particularly posts #19-21)
    https://mysurvivalforum.com/threads/mass-extinction-of-farm-animals.3085/#post-40689



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  45. ObsessedWOLF

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    hey everyone..... i just wanted to say that i'm thankfull for each and everyone of you. you guys are a tremendous help. As i said to some, i want to say to all.... the world needs more people like you guys... people that give without expecting something in return.. cheers!!!
     
  46. ObsessedWOLF

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    thanks you...
     
  47. Morgan101

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    Obsessed Wolf: Welcome to the Forum from Missouri. Good to have you with us. I spent some time in Belgium; Brussels and Fleures. I always loved the country. Very sad to see the drug trade take over. You probably didn't expect to be so inundated with information. There are a lot of very good, knowledgeable people here.

    One of the first questions to ask yourself is "why are you prepping?". Do you want to protect yourself, and your family from the crime in the area? Is there a threat of societal collapse where the police will be ineffective? We sometimes call that WROL; Without Rule of Law. There are five general categories we usually consider: Shelter, Water, Fire, Food, and Security. Perhaps in your case Security would be the most important.

    Second question: Do you plan to Bug In, stay in your home, and defend yourself; or do you plan to Bug Out, leave to go to a safer destination. In either case I would suggest starting with a good Bug Out Bag, so if you did have to leave even for another part of the city, you would have the requisite supplies to stay away for a few days. Bugging out to live in the forest is not always an option. Bugging out to go to your cousins house in a safer location may be more feasible.

    I would suggest looking at all of the suggestions that have been made here, and make a checklist for yourself. Write things down. Which of the recommendations would be most applicable to your situation? Prepping is very personal. Everyone has different needs and priorities. Do what is best for you.

    To try to answer your original question I would start with this list:
    Backpack - Sturdy with good zippers. Make sure it fits you
    Tarpaulin - Medium size and weight to use for shelter
    Stainless Steel Water Bottle and filters - You have to be able to purify any water you find.
    Fire Starting Kit - BIC lighter. waterproof matches, Ferrocerrium Rod, Magmesium
    Food - Long lasting, easy to store, ready to EAT, not ready to cook
    Security - A .22 is a good start. Probably not the best for personal protection. A heavier caliber handgun and a shotgun would be better.
    Knives - Good fixed blade knife. Good folding knife. Good multi-tool
    Individual First Aid Kit - There are some good recommendations on this forum
    Small hand axe or hatchet
    Folding Saw
    Cordage - paracord is probably the best 50-100 feet.

    These are the basics I would start with. Finding redundancies, things that can be used for more than one purpose, are excellent. Most of us probably subscribe to the fact that one is none; two is one, and three is better.

    I hope this helps. The best thing you are doing is getting started. There is a wealth of information available to help you. If you can't find something make a new post and ask the question. Good to have you with us.
     
  48. ObsessedWOLF

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    much appreciated... thank you very much!!! btw very inspirational quote.... made me more motivated then i already was
     
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    O'Wolf..............You mentioned "your" family. You may have a girl friend, some male friends, who have girl friends. They all have families they love and care about. Now they all talk to other people about this crazy "kick" you are on, or this fascination with this "cool" survival thing.

    Exactly how many of them and family are you willing to turn away if the SHTF.....???

    How many of them are you willing to engage in physical altercation or even harm them to enhance your survival and the survival of your most important closest dearest loved and cherished people.

    Now......to my point. If they are not prepared for survival they will all be coming to you. At some point you may have 3 months of food, and 3 months of water, 3 months of everything you need for your survival. If only 14 family and dearest friends come to you for help..........you now have "SIX" Days of Water-Food, etc..

    If you only have 30 days of everything........you suddenly only have two days for everyone. In a massive catastrophic SHTF event, there is a reason they figure 60% or 75% or 90% or more will die. It is not just about having supplies, and tools, and skills, and safe location. There is the horrible decisions and life and death choices you will likely need to make. And the physical and mental impact of those decisions.

    It is not easy to just throw a switch and "Harden your Heart". But choices will need to be made, and there will be a price paid for each choice.
     
  50. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    The best way out of that dilemma is to keep quiet about your preparations. Do not tell anyone about the full extent of your endeavors. Let your loved ones think you are preparing for the ordinary stuff that most are concerned about, such as weather-related disasters, etc.

    I cannot stress how important this is. Keep quiet. Even though YOU may trust the person, keep in mind THEY also have people that they trust (who may not fit your criteria of trustworthiness), and so on.

    A leak soon becomes a ripple that turns into a wave that can come crashing back at you when the going gets tough for everyone...

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