What to use for future trade?

We have never before had the power go off and STAY off in an urban area with 20 million people before. There is NO way to evacuate that many people as fast as you would need to before they started to die from all the various things like lack of water, food, or from heatstroke or freezing temperatures. Imagine if the disaster happened in January or February. How many people in the big cities are going to survive temperatures well below freezing in homes without power? Even if they have oil-based heat it doesn't work without power.

I have seen a mass evacuation. People will evacuate with a quarter tank of gas, a bag of chips, and a soda for each person. During Hurricane Rita there was a 113-mile long parking lot that was on both sides of Interstate I-45 all going north and NOT MOVING. They were there for days and days. Fortunately, it was September and not August with 100-degree temperatures. Now imagine it never getting cleared out and no gasoline available. Did I mention that even though it was September and the temperatures were mild that most sat there in their cars with the motor running until they either ran out of gas or their engine overheated and locked up?

Anything that takes out the power for a long period is going to make the mega-urban areas into giant death traps. NYC has enough food and water for three days and then there will be nothing to eat, no water, no sewage flow, and no gas for the cars. The death rate for places like NYC, Chicago, LA, Detroit, Boston Washington DC, ETC, according to the CIA estimates, will be 90% or more. the Rates in Rural areas will be much better for the first month and then rise as old people start to die and violence starts to rise.

Riots and fires in major metropolitan areas are almost a certainty while rural areas will have no problem with that. Not being piled up on top of each other makes for a lot less tension AND country folks are almost all armed to some extent. Cities may be nice in the good times but they are totally unsupportable without a big nation working hard to feed and supply them with the necessities.

 

My plan is and has always been, to take scrap metal and/or raw materials to make things for trade. I can take aluminum scrap (wheels, engine blocks, etc.) and melt it down and cast whatever I need (motor parts, cooking pots, grenade parts, etc.). I can trap and hunt and have the meat for food and hides and furs for clothing. There is wood for carving and clay for making pottery. With skills and a little hard work, there is always something someone else wants, if you can make it.

Dale

 

Go back a couple of thousand years and things were the same once people started living in towns and cities they had to rely on 'outsiders' to provide food, building materials, candles etc and just like today the towns and cities were a petri dish for breeding bacteria and viruses and people lost many basic skills needed to survive.

Look back at the downfall of castles/forts, at one time an army would attack the castle, many people would die trying to breech the walls then one day some bright spark thought "hold on, no need to attack, just stop supplies getting in, starve them out".

Interesting read here with falling populations, Spain could loos 50% of its population within 80 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

 

For some time now I have carried in my levi's coin pocket ...three US Silver Dollars 90% Silver, and one One Ounce Canadian Maple Leaf.


One of the posters is correct...in that silver is an anti inflammatory and also anti bacterial.

I use a silver spray on tick bites as an anti inflammatory. I make it myself via a silver generator.


Agree with Texdanm...in that Gold has gone through the roof and thus pricing many out of that marketplace.

Silver , to me, just has many more uses than does gold..

Most people with any sense ...choose to barter or trade for goods and services for which they cannot do themselves...rather than kill off or threaten people to get their needs met.

Historically...mostly governments are that stupid...as to kill off and raid rather than to business transactions...via a medium of exchange. Ishmaelites run wild...


With that in mind....take a closer look at Antifa and or BLM. Ask yourself who is financing/sponsoring them....to function as a government or a coercive change agent..???


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

In America, there is the Heartland. People residing therein are industrious and to a large degree self-sufficient or have the ready ability to become self-sufficient in a pinch.

Let's say that all of the weak people in America, 90%, were killed tomorrow afternoon. Heartland America would simply go on. They'd take a horrid hit, nevertheless they would build-back America. Also, these folk have zero tolerance for people who do not contribute. Non-contributors would be singled-out and rejected -- no tears would be shed for them should they die. Heartland Americans will shoot dead interlopers. Guess where the combat units of all military branches come from. Are there some city folk in combat infantry? Sure, but not a large percentage. Our fighting forces lean heavily conservative.

Industrious people use real currency. They trade. They pay others to help them with projects. Paper money will be toilet paper. "Beans bullets and bullion."
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Plenty of cities around two thousand years ago, maybe not in the UK but plenty elsewhere. Bit of 'city' history for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_city

 

Lydian Lion
Year Created: c.610 – 600 BCE
Country of Origin: The Kingdom of Lydia (modern-day western Turkey)
Metal(s) Used: Electrum – alloy of gold and silver

Other very ancient currencies existed, however they were made out of materials that simply do not last.

 

Ancient jewelry goes back tens of thousands of years. Jewelry was of course used in trade. Beauty is valuable.

"One of the first cultures to have developed goldsmithing was the Varna civilization. It was developed in Eastern Bulgaria, near the Black Sea, in an area rich with lakes. With such abundant waterways, trade quickly allowed the goldsmiths to develop their trade as much as it was possible. The remains we have today are from a sight of the necropolis in which Varnians interred their dead, and where graves were dated as early as 4560-4450 BC"

http://www.ancientfacts.net/7-oldest-pieces-jewelry-world/

Gemstones were also used in trade:

https://www.gemporia.com/en-us/gemo...gemstones-of-ancient-egypt-and-ancient-china/

Starving people die grasping their gold. No, most human beings are NOT rational. The poor of American ghettos and the poor of India wear gold.
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Was there not a city or town called Londinium.???? Going back to the Romans?????


Seems to me...that as a record of history ....most larger cities and or towns grew up along a major trade route....usually a river ...or a place wherein a crossroads happened.....ie...trade took place.

Often good defensibility was included...in the mix..


My mind just running along rabid trails.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Though I don't think clothes will be a major issue in a massive die off...I am want to put back for myself lots of levis and other clothes...socks and shoes....particularly utility work shoes....It is my way...more common sense.
Thank you Lonewolf.

Other valuable items as well.

The other day I had to do some work on my Scooter exhaust...

The bolts has vibrated loose in the exhaust and one had come out....disappeared. the strain on the exhaust caused the tailpipe to crack and break loose at the muffler.

One of my solutions to this problem was to go to my scrap/spare parts bin...and locate a suitable length bolt and run a die nut on it to the proper thread....8mm X 1.25. I took my time running this die nut on it to some music from my garage boom box...then cut it to the proper length...and smoothed off the starting threads with a hand half round file. Then checked it again across the die nut...for smooth operation.

The tail pipe I welded with my wire feed welder...though I am no professional welder....I can stick metal sufficient to make this repair. When done with the welding ...I reinstalled the exhaust system with the new bolt. This time I put some of that Blue non Hardening "Loctite" on the threads. Should have put that Loctite on the threads years ago.

Nonetheless..now the scooter is Q5 and back on the ready line...

This also required the foresight to have on hand a metric tap and die set...which I had done years ago when getting my first moped. Back then I realized that in the future a Metric Tap and Die set would eventually pay for itself...and with todays metric cars as well.

I am now thinking I need a back up set of metric and also SAE tap and dies...while they are still available.


You know the very nice thing about this wire feed welder ...is that it uses 110 volts unlike my olde stick welder which uses 220 volts. This means that for most medium to light jobs I can easily run it off my 7500 watt generator.
And a wire feed welder works more easily on smaller jobs than does the older stick machine...

I am very glad I had the foresight to purchase a wire feed machine to augment my stick welder.


This is called by some people ...pre staging ....the pre positioning of tools, goods, and materials for future use...even barter or trade... Thus even the skills and knowledge to do repairs for others as a trade item.

Some would call us pack rats....until they lack something and I have it....or know how to get around it.

By reading many posts on here over the years I gladly cede the pack rat title/championship to Texdanm...as clearly he is more advanced in the trade than am I ...but I understand and respect his motivations...and rationale. Amen.


It was the same at work when some found out I could pick locks....even make my own lock picks and shims...they were furious...very upset....at the loss of their security blanket/beliefs.

Until one day one of them forgot their keys......


The knowledge of how to do these kinds of things/solutions... you keep and maintain...and even increase ..in your brain...it goes with you everywhere....and that is the great thing.


You can do more than watch TV and movies....and push buttons....and the thinking which accompanies it.


This is a base and stupid thing....in a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI..but myself and numerous others on this board are well aware of how many people in good times cannot sharpen a knife or even a pair of scissors.

These people are up the creek in SHTF or TEOTWAWKI....

Those of us who know...and survive will be in demand. I have put back a goodly supply of honing stones and files as well.

I make note very quickly when I travel and visit ..who can keep and maintain a sharp kitchen set......in good and easy times...or not. And many of these people even have electric knife sharpeners.


Remember the olde guy who would go up and down the streets in a cart and sharpen peoples knives????

I also remember as a child..in Europe..the guy who would deliver blocks of ice to peoples houses.

Think it through....with a view to the idea that someone or some group would like to Herd us to our demise..


Then look at the do good types in leadership positions who think it is moral and ethical to have people work twice or more as hard to support people who have not earned it ...for votes...

These types of leadership are also want to support Antifa and BLM types of socialists and Marxists...as the way to go.

Contrast this with what Texdanm describes as self sufficiency levels out in the countryside and being able to contribute and or be of help or get lost..



Just my non Ishmaelite .02 and observation,

Watcherchris

 

The problem with gold for use in a future after the apocalypse is simple. If you have more chickens than you need which would you be more likely to consider for trade? A silver dollar made of pure silver or a piece of gold the size of a BB. Actually right now the BB of gold is worth more. The actual worth of silver to gold has been traditionally 20 to 1. This current frenzy is insane and in the end times, it won't be sustained. It is currently 94 to 1.
I think that 94, 1 ounce, silver eagles will have more value than 1, 1 ounce, 50 dollar gold piece. Once things settle out I think that there will always be an interest in precious metals and gemstones.

PS: When I worked at the shipyard they were always bringing locks to me. I would pick them and then make a key. I consider a set of lock picking tools to be a must in every survival kit.

 

I'm no latter-day Hunt brother, but had I the money I'd buy silver for the purpose of selling it as the dollar turns to toilet paper. I would take those funds and pay-off debts monetized in U.S. dollars then instantly get rid of any dollars by buying what survival gear & survival food the tumbling dollar would still purchase. Were everything to go Mad Max, then I'm a gonner, but I could provide supplies to the survivors I left behind.

The dollar is dead. We are in the middle of Voodoo economics. That balloon WILL pop; no way to avoid; the "conservatives" are printing money. Get the bugler to play taps.

https://usawatchdog.com/

 

https://www.pdffiller.com/jsfiller-desk11/?projectId=495986680#d161fd34b6b860bb803dc163cfc9be0a


Good morning all,

In re stuff for trade;

Under the doctrine of one's assigned value to material, consider what is perhaps the most restricted access and highly regulated material. In my view it is RX pharma and RX medical equipment/supplies.

In a push comes to shove TEOTWA some of us KI, I can substitute satrap molasses for sugar. Not so for analgesics (Old Grand Dad just can't replace RX codeine) etc. Check how to resupply medical oxygen.

Glance at the above link. Look up (# 3) "'Atrovert' ALS only". This is the new, even more improved headaches to know about. Includes Cher's dad selling Dr Good from the back of the wagon.

Note the ambulance is only a system component. The other section is the destination pharmacy at the hospital / field clinic, etc. Consider thinking this out and plan accordingly.

If surfing around above link, note the absence of dental stuff. Recommend research term "dental abscess" and some of the head injuries. Trading for new fishing nets can wait.

I got a formal start on this by studying the book "The Ship Captain's Medical Guide", reprinted 1973 - orig dated 1929, HMSO, London. The Barnicle Bills and Steamboat owners like Lulu had conditions to address like advanced-level Preppers.

Again, I am addressing the thread's stuff to trade.

I am now in the mood for an Old Grand Dad - but have some medical matters so will settle for a double espresso. Maybe my health will improve if I go vice versa.

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In a few weeks from now, the annual "flu shot" and "flu shot-high octane for senior citizens" will be out. Try getting these jabs overseas where this stuff is more valuable than the products of the Spice Islands. Envision getting a flu shot in the US based on need. I can't continue.

 

I like this system of stages. In the first stage, I agree that you will want to basically just hunker down and ride the storm out. I don't think that you will have to worry much about traveling in the second stage because the only form of that transportation may well be on foot in most places. I live in one of the few places even in Texas where there are lots of horses still. I'm talking tens of thousands of them.

One thing that I expect to happen in stage three will be the serious salvaging/looting of the many abandoned places. things that had little value to the looters during the first stage will become increasingly valuable after a few years. Think in terms of boots, shoes, coats, tools, and medicines other than dope type drugs.

Eventually, if things don't get restarted you will see people that travel around doing the small things that need to be done that many people don't know how to do. They will also carry some small trade items and act to some extent as mailmen and carriers of news. I remember the traveling tinkers when I was a kid. they went door to door sharpening knives and scissors, making small repairs to pots and pans and all sorts of small odd jobs.

I planned on opening a lending and reference library in this stage. Think about it, no TV, Radio, and most people now don't even have an encyclopedia. they have become on their cell phones for knowledge and don't actually KNOW anything of real value. They don't even have a memory anymore. Knowledge in the after times is going to be massively valuable. I also will have reams and reams of paper and thousands of pencils and I will sell knowledge for a small price. If you want to know how to do something and can't find anyone that knows if you NEED to do it you will be happy to offer a little something to someone that can tell you in writing how to do it. There will always be a place for merchants of the small things that you have to have that you can't grow or make for yourself. I will be the one that they can come to.

Add-on,,, I also have nearly a half five-gallon bucket of dice and nearly a hundred decks of cards. Entertainment will be in short supply out in the rural areas like where I live. I might even open a domino parlor like they had when I was a kid. They were often in the back rooms of pool halls or in a small building that was owned by the city. You could find the old men there Monday through Saturday and the cafe was usually nearby that kept them fed. I used to love to go and play dominoes with them and actually made some pretty good money teaching them that you don't have to be 60 to know how to play moon, 42 or straight dominoes...

 

It depends a lot on where you live and what you have planned Lonewolf. If you look at most primitive societies you will find that they have a lot of time on their hands. We work long hours to pay for our trinkets.

Where I live lif will be pretty easy once a large part of the people are dead. We don't have hard winters here. It never snows and there are very few days that it doesn't reach 40F/4.5C degrees. Most winter days it is fairly nice during the day. We have a lot of water here and the fishing is excellent. We also have thousands of acres of National forest filled with deer and thousands of wild hogs.

Farming is hard work. That is because you are trying to pay for so many things. Can you imagine how many plants you have to grow to pay for a house, cars, and truck sand the tractors and such to work the farm? On the other hand, if all you want to grow is enough to feed your family you can do that on an acre or two max and only work in it an hour or two a day. The only time that it is really hard work is at the start when you break ground and pull up your rows and then at harvest and then here replanting. Here you can garden year-round.

If you go to a museum and look at the things made by primitive people you will note that there was a lot of work put into their pottery and such. The Native Americans made beautiful beadwork and clothing. They had time for art and didn't just make coarse usable tools and clothing.

How much of a 40-hour workweek actually goes to paying for basic home-cooked food? If you built it your self your home wouldn't cost much of anything in the long term....taxes, house note, cars, trucks, fancy clothes, TVs, furniture, Cable or satellite for the TV and online services, the electric bill, heating fuel, telephones/cell phones and the service for them, computers... On and on and realize, all of this stuff will not be there in a world without power and in a moderately simple life of what can still be a very comfortable life.

A lot has to do with where you live. I live in a place that has no predators, mild winters, lots of water, a year-round growing season, lots of animal life both domestic and wild, the summers are hot but not generally so dry that you can't keep a cistern full and the gardens watered. My only concern and what I have put a lot of thought into is the humans and how to handle them. At first, it will be simple. My place is fenced and gated. a little over 2.5 acres with three big dogs. I will put up signs and they will not be a joke. "No Trespassing! Intruders will be shot on sight!" I will put a bell out on the gate post and if you want to get my attention you had better ring that bell and wait outside that gate!

 

Hey Texdanm....

Out of curiosity ...how difficult is the wild hog issue becoming where you are at in Texas.....


Watcherchris

Not an Ishmaelite.

 

It takes a little more room to grow corn, beans, and peas than other crops if you want to have enough to last for the year. The other grow and eat fresh types of things indeed take less room. I plan on having some chickens and pig so the corn will be used for many things. We can't grow most of the gains here because we have no winter and HOT summers. South of here, about a hundred miles you have the rice fields but it is a lot wetter there.

The nice thing about corn and beans is that you can eat them young and green and then let them also dry and they both keep indefinitely that way for later use. Some of the squash also keep pretty well in the cooler months.

So often the general type of survival information is good but the specifics can be very very different. Fire for example. I have seen, over and over on survival type shows that even people that teach survival and can whip up a fire with a bow drill in no time at all totally fail when they are dropped in a different place. Different woods don't work and the 4 pieces that you need for a bow drill are not usually the same woods. In a new place, you don't know the woods and it just doesn't work as well as you are used to. Even with a ferrocerium and magnesium fire starter they often have trouble.

I know almost nothing about snow or cold winters. The same is pretty much the same for deserts. What I do know is have to live and thrive in the pine and hardwood forests and the swamps. I have hunted and fished my entire life and know how to ALWAYS bring home the meat if I need to. My brother in law added to my education. He is a poacher and if you throw out the game laws hunting and fishing becomes HARVESTING.

I also live in a very strange place that has some interesting features. All around me are cattle, horses, pigs, and huge fields. they are there to provide food for the several big prisons. The prisons will be no threat after the fall because if released the inmates won't be able to leave this area fast enough. Because of all the guards, this is is sort of like a place with an Army or Marine base. Thousands of armed and rather militant people that have dealt with these prisoners for decades.

Most of the inmates are not all that bad. They messed up and/or had drug problems. They just want to go home. The truly evil and dangerous will never be free. They will either starve in their cages or someone will offer them the kindness of a bullet.

Like you, I have never been to anyplace like where you live. The people here are different than even people in other places in the US. The riots and stuff that you are seeing going on in places in the US can't happen where I live. That is what you get when a liberal government takes away both the weapons and the right to protect yourself from the regular citizens and then allows the trash to do pretty much as they please. They have RIGHTS while hard-working citizens have almost none. In most of the South, we have guns and more importantly, we have the right to use them in defense of our family and property.

A lot of the places in the North, Northeast, and Central to Northwest parts of this country are as alien to me as another country on another continent. There is just such a difference in the philosophy and cultural attitudes that you would never imagine that we were one people and one nation.

I am where I am by choice and plan. I wanted off the coast. without modern weather forecasting, you never know when a cloud comes up in the south whether it is a little thunderstorm or a Catagory 5 hurricane. I like the many huge tracts of National Forest that are all over this area and the many lakes, rivers, and creeks. I like that the pugnacious prison people here far outnumber the liberal idiots that run Sam Houston University. I even like the 21,000 silly ass kids that go to that university. In the event of the Apocolypse, they will sort out fast.

Many will make a run for their homes and many are just TSTL (Too Stupid To Live) the rest though will learn and I see them as a resource. I will gladly take in some as long as they understand that I am the boss and you either work and get along with others or you leave or I will bury you. Youth are our future. I have a lot to teach and we will need young men and women to build our future. the Future belongs to the young and not too old farts like me. My place could easily arm, feed, and house 15 to 25 people. We have land around us that we could expand our gardens into.

lone Wolf I think where you and I differ most is that most people see the Apocolypse/TEOTWAWKI as the end. I see it as a beginning where we can shed the duds, criminals and leaches and recreate a world where Honor and character replace the Un-Godly lazy and criminal worship that this culture has become. In a world where everyone works or starves honor will start to mean something again.

If I promise to help you and then don't word will get around and you will die the first time you need help or maybe someone will just kill you for lying to them. Honor is about rights and responsibilities. We now have a culture that is all about rights but there are no responsibilities that go with those rights. Welfare is all about this. we give you everything and you repay it by refusing to work, care for your kids and you get into gangs that rob and kill us while saying that you are not treated right.

in the real world that is going to follow a fall, you will work or you will starve to death. If you steal you will be killed. there will be no free rides and if you cause problems of any serious nature you will disappear. There will be no place for argumentative uncooperative people.

Sorry for wandering on. I get to thinking and for me, typing is like talking and sometimes just flows...

 

we have a lot of hogs here but then people here like to hunt and hogs are always in season with no limits. People that have deer leases hunt the hogs year around just to kill as many as possible because they run deer feeders and the hogs will not just eat the corn that the feeder throws. They will tear down the feeder and eat it all while destroying an expensive feeder.

The plain wild hogs here get enough pressure that they are pretty leery of people and so are not as aggressive as they used to be. Hogs that don't run as soon as they sense a human get killed fast and the ones that are sneaking around and very shy breed and pass their less aggressive nature on. They are mostly descended from domestic stock that escaped or was released into the wild. The biggest problem is that some idiots released a bunch of Russian boars into the National Forrest south of here and those are big, mean and aggressive, AND sneaky.

Hogs reach sexual maturity when they are between 6 months and a year old. they then produce 2 litters of little hogs a year. they produce an average of 4 to 6 in a litter but can have as many as 12. You just can't kill them as fast as they can breed. From one pregnant sow you can have 400 pigs in three years!!! that is based on 2 litters of 6 a year half being female ad the females begin producing at 6 months. Start with a couple of million with half being sows and you can see our problem in Texas alone.

The good news in the event of TEOTWAWKI is that in the winter they are good to eat so starving will not be one of our problems.

 

I don't make any plans for trade because as Lonewolf just stated , I expect to be self sufficient . However if there happened to be something I wanted to trade for , I might consider trading a perishable item such as fresh goat milk or extra meat that I simply don't care to cut up and dry for jerky . Honestly though if life is that basic an existence , I can not see wanting to trade for anything . I would be more likely to give it away for free and have a potential ally in the future . I can not see anyone in my area being more prepared than I and having something I wanted and I live in an extremely high prepper area . Even with something as devastating as a multiple years without electricity and petroleum I would expect my area to have at least a 25% survival rate . Trade however is something I can not envision wanting or needing to do .

 

That's a cool image.

 

What to trade? About 70 tons of this stuff.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photo...ets-of-toilet-paper-at-a-picture-id1146875573

Notice that fat, huge computer against that woman's ear? Good grief!

 

I think that part of the difference in our views Lonewolf is that in Texas you have more room and fewer people. that is why we have such a huge cattle industry. There are thousands of tiny towns scattered all over the place that are not rural but are basically support towns for the rural people in the surrounding countryside.



The population of Texas is 22 million while the population of Great Brittian is 64 million.

 

Units of trade, not meaning to be cynical or anything, but ....

 

I also have a rather large box of condoms. They have so many uses other than the obvious but in the future, where you can't get them almost anywhere, they may be as valuable as gold.

 

As valuable as gold


http://www.lifestyles.com/article/proper-condom-storage/

In the above article, I read the following, "... will likely have condoms on hand ...".

Uh, hmmm, that kind'a conjures an image.

Within certain environs, phraseology is everything.

Be careful!

 

For some reason, using a condom as a source of multiple rubber bands somehow gives me a moment of pause, a negative one at that.

 

Buy a couple of bicycle tire innertubes and cut them. They make great ranger bands that you can cut according to what you need them to do. Those would be pretty delicate if made from a condom. I have made a slingshot out of a pair of them that worked pretty well. Now I use the gold medical exercise bands that are 4" wide. I cut them according to what I want. Tapered bands have a nice draw for shooting pebbles at birds and lizards while wider and straight ones make strong rock-throwers for squirrels and rabbits.

 

Good morning all,

Not as a trade item but rather for good will, ... even better than handing out condoms:

Tamponi. From the Russian: = tampons.

When working in the new Commonwealth of Independent States eg Kazakhstan, giving a box of tamponi to senior local's significant other does wonders for mission accomplishment. The key group amongst the political establishments was the ladies of the "former" Commissars and Metropolitans / Reverends - the real decision-makers.

Had a cargo vest packed with these boxes.

They didn't need gold coins; they had more than most. They had access to Japanese condoms. The premier product was American tamponi.

 

Good morning all,

Not as a trade item but rather for good will, ... even better than handing out condoms:

Tamponi. From the Russian: = tampons.

When working in the new Commonwealth of Independent States eg Kazakhstan, giving a box of tamponi to senior local's significant other does wonders for mission accomplishment. The key group amongst the political establishments was the ladies of the "former" Commissars and Metropolitans / Reverends - the real decision-makers.

Had a cargo vest packed with these boxes.

They didn't need gold coins; they had more than most. They had access to Japanese condoms. The premier product was American tamponi.

 

You are right. If your lady needs something you will do whatever it takes to get it for her to stop her griping!! I think that I may add some of those to my stash. they can also be used to temporarily plug a bullet hole to stop the bleeding until you can try to deal with it.

Modern women will not know how to deal with this problem without modern products. There will be so many things that people will not think about until the last one is used and gone. That has always been the place of the merchants and traders. They will have the things that you didn't think about. If you are well protected and have planned ahead you can fill in the spot that in the old west was the seed of many of our current cities. I was raised in a city of over a hundred thousand that grew up around a French trading post.

 

It is not illogical at all lonewolf...

People traded and or bartered all the way back in to history or we would not be here today. I know both my Mother and Father told me of the black market after WW2 in Germany ...when so many goods and services were not available in the white market.


For those of you who do not know.......and will never be taught in public school or in the media not spinning the truth for you ...including the famous Fox News......


The Black Market is the true market....

Whenever the so called white market cannot make goods and services appear at any price...the black market will work...at the true price....

The true price is whatever it takes to get a product...not what the government mandates..


You have to be educated by television and movies not to understand this.

The real price of an item is what it takes to get it.


In Soviet Russia you had inexpensive prices...but could hardly find certain items on the Government controlled white marketplaces.

You could often find an item on the Black market......but not on the white market.


By the way....this is exactly where America is going with all these lockdowns being planned and promoted by government "Experts."....the marketplaces will dry up on the government rigged and regulated marketplaces. The black market is where you will be able to find goods and services.

Be Warned.


I just today ..bought two sets of front and back brake shoes and pads for my truck and car...belts too. I put them away.

Will soon be buying an alternator for each and putting that aside too.

Same with my scooters....have replacement variator belts and will be buying new tires...front and back.

For my cars and trucks too.



Thanks for the update Texdanm..on the wild hogs in Texas..


LOL LOL LOL...Texadanm....

I know what you mean Texdanm...I like running touchdowns for high maintenance women....cant wait to lay my head on the railroad track and hope I can get up before the train runs me over....while running that touchdown. And then do this as a regular diet....staple....


But...I will admit ...condoms have not been big on my priority list...thinking may have to make adjustments here.
Hmmmmm an trade item???? Barter???

I don't figure it will be difficult to get women to come around if you can do more than Text in a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI.

Problem is finding one who is not high maintenance...their kids too.

A Trophy high maintenance woman will be useless....a lead weight.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Don't you often wonder about your fellow "humans"?!

I do.

OK, so I can be creative, but someone please tell me where this individual came up with this idea.

 

We Americans misperceive. In our countrysides, the population densities are much less folk per area. To Americans, driving 300 miles is nothing. This weekend I drove over 650 miles -- 1050 klicks to you. Not fun, but necessary. In several states of the U.S. one can drive over 800 klicks and NOT leave the state.

It's like the old saying, "One hundred years is a long time in America. One hundred miles is a long distance in England."

Devon, England
Area 6,707 km2 (2,590 sq mi)
Population (mid-2019 est.) 1,200,000
Density 178/km2 (460/sq mi)

Tennessee, USA
Area 42,143 sq mi (109,247 km2)
Dimensions
• Length 440 mi (710 km)
• Width 120 mi (195 km) Diagonal Northeast Tenn to Southwest Tenn is 500 miles.
Population
(2019)
• Total 6,829,174
• Density 159.4/sq mi (61.5/km2) Far less in rural counties; Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga represent the density of population.
Density rank 20th (there are 30 states with LESS dense populations)

Population Density of the USA is 87 people/sq mi (33.6/km2) Over 80% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas.

These urban people are utterly dependent on Heartland America. In rural America, there are far more guns than people -- and of late, these rural people are buying ammunition like nobody's business. I attend the gun shows of the rural Southeastern USA. Ammo is being sold-out. Once upon a time, most rural people were not that caught-up in politics. That has changed. Rural America is conservative. Whereas they may not like the Republican Party, most vote Republican. Farmers who were screwed-over by the Fed pushing government loans are now up-in-arms furious with the Federal Government. The U.S. military is heavily composed of young folk from rural areas. Rural has always been patriotic, now they have lost their jobs to Asia and many family farms have been broken up. So now one sees rural folk even MORE well-trained in military operations -- to include the officer corps, thus military tactics training. If urban America now attempts impose its will on Heartland America, they will experience an unimaginable HELL.

 

Chris, The secret to getting a woman that isn't high maintenance is to get them young and train them yourself. I did this and have married bliss for 45 years...well married and mostly bliss but sometimes blistered. We have been together since she was 15 and I was 19. I was looking for a partner in life and that is exactly what I got. A strong woman isn't high maintenance but at times they can be quite a handful. The funny thing is that she says much the same about me. I supported her for about 20 years then sent her to college. Then she supported me for about 20 years. Now the retirement pensions and social security supports us both.

 

My wife and I are still buddies. She was a tomboy, smart, and a beauty (I got her better/fashionable glasses, got her to cut her hair differently = poof, head-turner; she completely and totally didn't realize just how pretty she was). Today, I just told her how cute she is. Her father was a businessman and uber-smart, but theirs was a large Catholic family, thus the money was all eaten ... literally so. She does our books, has her bachelors, has worked for attorneys; mega-organized. And cute. Had I had to live with me, I would have killed me. Did I mention her patience?

 

The oldest profession, will just get older. Trade will have many forms.

 

You lot are hilarious. Don't forget there are woman on here while talking about training us from young Do tell what classifies as high maintenance lol? Am I? Probably lol. Do I expect to be showered in gifts constantly. Not at all. But I also appreciate not having a fight for every tool or new set of tires for the truck I deem in urgent need. Christmas I asked for a rifle. My birthday a pair of Muck boots. Guess it depends on the girl. I have yet to see my best friend find something she can't shoot. Or drive.

 

Rebecca, My comment that you quoted was mostly humorous. My wife is just as I taught her to be. Strong, tough and my equal in every way. We are PARTNERS. She makes more money than I did and that was GREAT. I like being her kept boy toy. I retired at 62, 5 years ago and she is still working a couple of days a week or will if this COVID stuff ever settles. She has retired twice now and she takes great care of me.

When she retired the first time she bought ME a retirement present. A brand new 22,000 dollar fishing boat. She didn't want me under her feet all the time. She got bored in short order and went back to work. The best thing that I ever did was send her back to school as soon as my Daughter went to school. She is a Dental Hygienist and makes very good money. She gives me a very generous allowance. Of the two of us she is very much the more ambitious and likes to work. I did it to achieve a goal and as soon as I had that covered I was done. She loves to come home, flop is her chair, and say. "What's for supper honey? It sure does smell good."

My wife is tough. I knew that it was love the first time I saw her beat the crap out of my brother in law who is 5 years older than her. I am not an insecure sort of man and LIKE a strong and aggressive woman. It is working good married 45 and going steady for 48 and never a single hiccup. If the end times come she will be there right beside me and is possibly even more of a, one chance and then kill them, sort than I am. If you will read some of my posts you will see that that is saying something. If someone tries to push us or steal from us after the fall she will kill them without mercy.

Women are way meaner than men they just hide it better.

PS: My wife got a big cement mixer for her birthday last year.

PPS: I love being showered with boy toys. I guess that I am sort of high maintenance!