What to use for future trade?

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  1. TexDanm

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    Over the years I have been able to give life without any power or water a try. When a hurricane rolls in and wipes out the power grid people like me that live out in the rural areas are at the end of the list for repairs. This is reasonable, there are a lot more people in a city than scattered out in the country.

    Because of this I am usually better prepared for this possibility than someone in a city. I have lamps, lanterns, Coleman Camp stoves, and even fans that will run off 12 volt batteries. Usually in the past when the power has been knocked out we have a pretty good time. We invite friends over and have a big BBQ outside and if it is cool enough we have a big fire.

    I am always amazed at the reactions of people when the power goes off. A LOT of people almost go into a full on PANIC mode like they won't be able to live without power. When we have lost power in the late summer due to a hurricane we have moved into the yard and slept in tents. It is cooler outside than inside. Battery powerd radios are a must as are a good assortment of lights. A coleman stove works great, we even have an oven for ours and with practice it works good.
     
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      See now, this is community. All good. Makes God smile. This is true gold.
       
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Reminds me of a story about the LA riots 1992, Rodney King and all that. At an apt. complex, everybody came out to BBQ. LA said no open fires; well, the f###ing place was on fire, so a BBQ really didn't count and besides, the police were letting the place go up in flames. Cops didn't care / were told to stand down and let the place burn.

    A fellow at this BBQ tells me about this gathering. He made me smile. I so like his story. I've told his story a dozen times a dozen.

    The rioters were like two blocks away. The apartment BBQ crew didn't care. They were all caring guns. Guns in waistbands, wherever. If the rioters got there, they were going to shoot into them and kill as many as were standing in their line of fire. People were drinking and getting ready to kill some trash-people.

    As it turned out, the looters / arsonists didn't get to their block. What a shame. Across town, the Koreans tossed some lead. I so admire those Korean merchants.

    Lead is an item of trade.

    Think about it.
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  3. lonewolf

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    in Britain when the power goes out the masses panic, when you live in a house that is all electric nothing works when the power goes down.
    I heard one guy say on tv " its like living in the middle ages" no you clot, its a power cut and it'll be back on within a couple of hours. people dont even have flashlights any more.
    you can see how people would behave when the power grid collapses for real, me, I dont much care, I lived off grid for 12 years no power and no mains water and it was just normal life for me.
    but then I'm an old luddite anyway!!
    # latest. big fire at a National Grid site in Kent where they import electricity from France, imports of Electricity stopped until October.
     
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  4. TexDanm

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    The thing about truly being prepared is that when the power goes off instead of feeling panic I feel sort of pleased to get to try out and check all of my preparations.

    the party we had last time was a lot of fun. I ran Coleman lanterns up in the trees so the kids had a well lit yard to play in. We cooked outside on the grill and had Coleman stove that my with cooked a pot of beans and mashed potatoes on. We had another lantern over the 8' picnic table and so the adults could play cards if they weren't sitting around the fire bullsh#ting. Good food, lots of cold drinks of both the alcoholic sort and the soft drink sort and of course Iced Tea.

    People don't get together like this as often as they should. We are more isolated and with both parents working and the kiddos in child care, about all people do at home Monday through Friday is eat and sleep. When I was a kid very few married women worked. Without birth control families were a lot bigger and women had a full time job taking care of them. There was also a sort of social stigma when a woman worked back then. It was often perceived as the MAN not being able to support his family so his wife had to work.

    LOL, That started to break down when one went to work and you could immediately see the rise in their standard of living. At first most of the women that worked did so in the various jobs at schools. The office and such or in my Mom's case the library. She loved it when she went to work in the elementary school library.

    She liked kids and eventually started assisting older kids, even one that was in High School, with their reading comprehension. Unfortunately if a kid is good enough at sports they will give him a pass on silly things like reading, writing and arithmetic. He "graduated" from High School reading at a second grade level! Skills wise he was at a pro level after college but he was just not able to make it due to the complexity of the pro game versus college or high-school.

    He got to be a big shot for a lot of years and that was nice. Sadly when he didn't make it in the pros he was just another unemployed and almost illiterate person on welfare. Might his adult life have turned out better if they had places more emphasis on silly things like being able to read and write enough to fill out an employment application?
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Cold winter's night, power is off. Gov. electrical feed (or not), TVA. We made it a fun thing for the kids. Wood stove in the basement sending heat up the stairs. We all piled into our rather large master bedroom, the kids, two dogs, kerosene lanterns, lit candles. Was a "three dog night", but we only had two. Nice fluffy blankets. Happiness. The kids didn't know or care.

    Side note: That woodstove got too hot when we were cooking downstairs, but kept the water pipes from freezing over those few days and kept us cozy upstairs. The stairwell was the heating conduit.

    Outside, the power lines were on the ground in the snow.
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    The thing is this area is a low population one, I've said many times this place is like a ghost town during the day, well most of the time really, even weekends its very quiet.
    not really a tourist area there isnt anything for them to do unless their into medieval churches. its an agricultural area and hill farming at that.
    post SHTF the population will be even lower and without all the normal traffic, aircraft and back ground noise most people will go crazy, I like peace and quiet myself, just bird and animal noises but most people cannot and will not live like that, I reckon I'm a throwback to an earlier age!!!
     
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    SHTF means to me NO fed, state or local gov't coming to help you(as if they ever did) OR a disaster hits that will take more than 4 weeks for help to arrive OR a situation where you can't get to water in 4-7 days.
     
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    Never underestimate gangs getting to your remote locations sooner or later during a SHTF. Those that do make it(probably only a few)will be harder, smarter, expierenced and more vicious having gone through a lot to get to your area.
     
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  10. lonewolf

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    SHTF to me means a complete collapse of everything that is normal, and could be permanent.
    as for gangs in the UK they are a city thing and mostly big cities, anything outside of a city is outside their knowledge or thought process, just getting from a big city to a remote area like this will be time consuming and not worth the effort for anything they might get. especially if there is a problem with fuel, like at the moment, then they wont get very far if anywhere.
     
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  11. Old Geezer

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    We travel over 300 miles just to visit relatives.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    I'm talking about post SHTF not in normal times.
    I'm also talking about Britain not US.
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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    "Six people killed in mass shooting in Plymouth, England"

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/emergency...hUeGJBGMsA62JCKLqoDYNO_2bltUtB0ERdqHVmkdaKAZq

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    (Reuters) -Six people, including a child, were killed in a mass shooting in the city of Plymouth in southwest England on Thursday evening, in an incident described by the British Home Secretary as "shocking".

    Two females and three males, including the suspect, died from gunshot wounds at the scene of the incident, the Devon and Cornwall Police said in a statement. Another female died a short time later in hospital, the police added.

    One of the people killed was a child under 10 years old, Luke Pollard, a local lawmaker from the opposition Labour Party, said in a tweet.

    Police had earlier described the shooting as a "serious firearms incident" and said the situation was contained. The police added that the incident was not related to terrorism.

    The United Kingdom has one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world, and mass shootings are rare. This was the first mass shooting in the country for 11 years.

    Sharron Turner, 57, who lives behind the scene of the shooting, was quoted by The Times newspaper as saying that a gunman had "kicked in" the front door of a semi-detached house before shooting a mother and her daughter. Turner said she had been told that the man, who was dressed in black and grey, was armed with a semi-automatic weapon.

    After the attack, the gunman escaped through a park behind the house and shot two dog walkers, The Times reported.

    "The incident in Plymouth is shocking and my thoughts are with those affected," Home Secretary Priti Patel said on Twitter.

    Devon and Cornwall Police said they were called to the Keyham area of the city at 6.10 p.m. on Thursday.

    "Investigations are continuing into the incident and disruption to the road network in the Keyham area will remain throughout the night," the police said.

    The South Western Ambulance Service earlier said it had responded to the incident with a significant number of resources, including Hazardous Area Response Teams (HART), multiple ambulances, air ambulances, multiple doctors and senior paramedics.

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    Gangs travel (cars, trucks, motorcycles; stealing fuel along the way) to where they can escape the law, find victims, find food, seek refuge. Traffic jams represent a source for fuel for biker gangs -- knock holes in gas tanks / knock holes in petrol trucks / steal food and fuel from farmers. Criminal gangs are little different than wolf packs. When they run out of booty in cities, they travel to wherever they can predate. Humans -- especially those with no morals -- are resourceful. Now what with gangs who are not of European origin, hundreds of miles isn't much. Middle Easterners are nomadic by nature.

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  14. lonewolf

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    Plymouth shooting was awhile ago.
    I think British gangs are a bit different to American ones, they are wholly Urban in nature and tend to stay in the cities, whilst there are "county lines" drug gangs that deal in the towns they use very young children as drugs runners. I just dont see any evidence of gangs in my rural remote area.
    by the time any gang got here, especially post SHTF there would be very little for them to steal most of it would already have been consumed.
     
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  15. wally

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    I hope your right lonewolf....as it could get ugly...
     
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  16. lonewolf

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    things are different in the UK to how they are in the US, evacuations for a start, Americans are used to evacuating Brits are not.
    also gangs here are urban in nature and have no knowledge of rural areas.
    also our road system is different especially in rural areas.
     
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  17. Old Geezer

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    English people whose families have lived in England for centuries may very well not bug-out; however 9.4 million people there in England were not born in England and do not share the same culture. Immigrants in England traveled thousands of miles to get there. Immigrants have the highest numbers of criminal gangs and these gangs are armed. The pipelines to get immigrants into England also bring in weaponry. Sweden's recent problems with AK-47s and hand-grenades is an example of the development of weapons trafficking using the same routes as migration.

    As England takes in more foreigners, it will see more and more foreign behavioral patterns, many of which will be rather unpleasant.

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  18. lonewolf

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    there may be 9.5 million people living in the UK who were born abroad but very few of them live in rural areas, the majority live in cities and live among their own community and people like themselves, they do not integrate with the indigenous British.
    what they might do in an SHTF situation is anyone's guess but it is most likely they will prey on the people around them in a city, there will not be many resources left in a very short time period in rural areas as these will be used up by the people already living there, especially if as I suspect the event or events that cause the collapse will be slow and progressive rather than one big bang.
     
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  19. TexDanm

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    Gangs don't do well in the rural areas. They are here but usually are quietly making various drugs and not wanting to attract attention. When nearly everyone has a gun by their front door, another beside their bed, and maybe one on the gun-rack in their truck it just doesn't pay to start trouble.
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    "‘Right under your nose’: A Mexican cartel turned this rural area into a hidden cocaine hub"


    https://www.courier-journal.com/in-...inia-town-into-hidden-cocaine-hub/4087528002/

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    AXTON, Va. — On a near-freezing February morning, a man known as “Lalo” steered his Chevy Avalanche quietly through south-central Virginia’s forested hills and farms.

    He had an 8 a.m. appointment in Axton, tucked in a rural area of roughly 6,500 people near the North Carolina border where roads are dotted with trailer parks, tiny churches, rusting pickups and abandoned barns.

    It’s a place where property is cheap, cornfields and cow pastures separate many neighbors, and people tend not to pry into one another’s business.

    Led by "El Mencho," the nickname for Rubén Oseguera Cervantes, CJNG in less than a decade has become one of the largest and most powerful drug organizations in the world, known for sophisticated operations and extreme violence in Mexico, from beheadings to killing police.

    It's playing an increasing role in filling U.S. demand for super-pure meth, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl and other drugs, appearing in at least 35 states, a Courier Journal investigation found, including the Virginia countryside.

    There, at a residence in Axton, authorities say Lalo met a man called "Tramposo," the trickster. He loaded 6 kilos of cocaine, worth roughly $180,000, into his truck.

    Lalo was soon headed northeast. He could have wound through remote backroads or returned to state Highway 58,a routedotted with businesses that included a strip-mall tortilla shop where authorities said drug profits were wired to Mexico.

    Amid the flow of commuters, he began what he thought would be a four-hour drive that passed through Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley to Winchester, Virginia, just 75 miles from Washington, D.C.

    But Lalo had no idea he was being watched.

    The CJNG cartel and its backroads drug pipeline had caught the attention of federal authorities, who, in March 2019, announced they had uncovered a hidden hub of Axton-area cartel stash houses that over four years funneled a river of drugs worth tens of millions of dollarsthrough Axton to Winchester and other mid-Atlantic states.

    In a case that highlights CJNG's deep reach into unexpected corners of small-town America, authorities said the Jalisco-based cartel had sent people to live in Axton, while CJNG shipped in at least 20 kilos of cocaine each month since 2015, along with other drugs such as marijuana it sent through the U.S. mail.

    The Virginia case offered a glimpse into cartel operations that experts say often funnel drugs through less-scrutinized rural areas and small towns, distributing them through supply chains that can spread like rivulets.

    While estimates of cartel drug flows are notoriously unreliable, federal officials have said CJNG smuggles at least 120 tons of high-purity meth and cocaine into the U.S. a year, making it a top target.

    But stemming the flow of drugs from any cartel through Middle America, as the Virginia investigation showed, is like a game of whack-a-mole for federal and local authorities.
     
  21. Old Geezer

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    "Policing Of Gangs In Rural And Urban Areas Criminology Essay"

    https://www.ukessays.com/essays/cri...n-rural-and-urban-areas-criminology-essay.php

    "Gang related crimes and activities are being exported to rural communities and gangs are migrating to more rural areas. Social reasons and drug trafficking are the primary reasons for the spread of drug use and why gangs are developing in rural areas. When concerning the exporting or spreading of urban crimes to rural areas, the migration of gangs and their criminal activities plays a large role. Police strategies make it hard for gangs to stay inside of the metropolitan areas, so gangs are moving their operations to places less known to the police. Gang members find a base for their operations and seek out troubled or lost youth to join their gang. When concerning the methods of policing, policing strategies, and crime, there is a big difference between rural environments and urban environments."
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...xploit-middle-class-children-rural-towns.html

    "Gangs exploit middle-class children from stable families in rural towns to use them as drug mules, MPs warn"

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/bbcthree_britains_teenage_drug_runners

    "London is getting crowded. For the capital’s drug dealers, it’s a tough market. Gangs compete for shrinking territories while dodging police officers who know their faces and movements well.

    "But travel outside the capital and it’s a different story.

    "In the countryside, these gang members are less to the authorities. There are fewer rivals and demand is high. This situation is being exploited by several urban gangs, giving rise to the ‘country lines’ phenomenon.

    "Urban gangs are sending junior members to market towns or coastal villages, where they run increasingly sophisticated drug dealing franchises. The gangs recruit local rural children to do the grunt work while senior gang members manage operations from their London headquarters. Put simply, they’re expanding."

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  22. TexDanm

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    The Mexican Cartel doesn't bother me nearly as much as the Liberal Washington Cartel!!!!
     
  23. lonewolf

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    this area is too far from the big cities , takes to0 long to get here, because of the length of the journey any that try are usually picked up enroute with the drugs onboard, we have one local drug dealer but he's small fry just selling to fund his own use which is common .
     
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    "Venezuelans Turn To Gold Nuggets As The Local Currency Implodes"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/venezuelans-turn-gold-nuggets-local-currency-implodes

    "What is wonderfully surprising is the spontaneous emergence of a pure gold currency in a remote region of southeastern Venezuela around the towns of Tumeremo and El Callao. The region abounds with precious metal ores and has a long history of luring prospectors and miners seeking their fortunes. Today, however, many of the larger mines are controlled by the government military, which is battling local gangs and guerillas. Despite the violence and lawlessness, jobless Venezuelans from far and wide are flooding into the area to work in thriving illegal mines in exchange for payment in gold nuggets. As a result, gold flakes, which are peeled off raw nuggets with hand tools, have become the currency of choice in the region with prices for commodities and services quoted in grams of gold. Half a gold gram buys you a one-night stay in a local hotel, while a meal for two at a Chinese restaurant and a haircut will cost you a quarter of a gram and an eighth of a gram, respectively.

    "The gold flakes are carried in people’s pockets—usually wrapped in the nearly worthless bolivar notes. While some shops are equipped with scales to weigh the gold flakes, most sellers and their customers have become so familiar with the flakes that they evaluate them by sight. For example, the barber and his customer who transacted for the haircut agreed that three gold flakes equaled the one-eighth gram price (approximately $5.00). Gold is also starting to penetrate the nearby cities, such as the regional capital Ciudad Bolivar, as stores in shopping malls gladly accept the gold in exchange for dollars from miners who are seeking to cash out."
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  25. wally

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    where there is a will there is a way!
     
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    "Top 25 Barter Items to Stockpile"

    https://intrepidoutdoors.com/top-25-barter-items-to-stockpile/

    "Many have been speculating for the last few years that the value of the dollar will crash. When it does, the world will switch over to some other reserve currency, leaving the United States to make do as best we can. High inflation will make that very difficult, bringing many industries to their knees.

    "People will deal with this hyperinflation by returning to barter as a system of trade. If the dollar can’t hold its value, it will make much more sense to trade common goods, which have a relatively stable understood value, rather than having to adjust prices every day to keep up with inflation. This is actually rather common in times of financial collapse, as people struggle to survive and feed their families, in the midst of financial hardship.

    "During World War II, the nations of occupied Europe had a healthy black market going on. This was basically a barter market, mostly in foodstuffs. The Germans were trying to take as much of the product of the occupied counties from the citizens of those countries.

    "They needed those goods to finance their war machine. Unfortunately, the people they were taking it from needed it as well.

    "People in the cities, would visit the country, “on holiday” to see “friends and relatives.” They would make the trip carrying a large suitcase, which rather than being filled with clothes would be filled with silver and jewelry.

    "Once out in the country, they would trade those items to the farmers for hams, cheeses, sausages, butter and other preserved meats.

    "This ended up being very profitable for the farmers. When the war ended and life returned to some semblance of normal, they were able to sell that silver and jewelry, making a sizeable profit on it.

    "Many farmers who had been poor became well off, due to that black market bartering."

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    Say you're buying matches for your own use and for possible barter. Do NOT buy Diamond Greenlight matches! Their match tips do not have a sufficient amount of flammable material to strike reliably.

    Preppers usually have all manner of fire-starting devices (I sure do; strikers, magnesium, ...); however, most people do not have any quantity of matches or butane lighters. They've put nothing back in the realm of fire-starters. I would NEVER trade my good stuff, however I sure would barter away packs of matches.

    Electric grids are going to be getting destroyed -- short of that there are going to be rolling blackouts. The internet will be gone ... all that.

    What will be of value that you will let go of to trade for medical care? During survival situations, people snap legs and the bone sticks out through the flesh. Falls result in injuries that cannot be handled except by physicians and veterinarians (some vet.s I would trust over medical doctors who treat people). I've known people who were treated by veterinarians. This one guy came back from being in-country with a skin infection from hell. NO, dermatologist could make it shrink in size, much less cure this (ugly! fungus?! yuck!). Who cured him? A large-animal veterinarian. The fellow knew this vet because he did ranch work.

    I've made friends with physicians due to the nature of my job. But hey, they have families also! People are people -- people need money, barter, and necessities. My thoughts have often turned to what I can trade them when family gets sick or injured. My GP has kids. What do kids need? What makes children happy during hellish days? Think about these things -- I sure do. Before the UTTER COLLAPSE events, silver, ammo, canned foods, big candles, hard candy, ... will be of value.

    Historically, humans usually didn't live past age 40. Any significant injury or disease killed them. Personally, I like to make the right friends in these days before the hell-days set-in.
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  28. lonewolf

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    post Collapse I doubt non preppers will have anything to trade, they'll be lucky if they have a roof over their heads and the clothes on their backs, any more than that is a bonus.
    by the time bartering is safe, a long long way down the line, many of the older members of this forum, me included, will be long gone.
     
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    someone that is sitting in a vulnerable position , in relation to surviving a Venezuela style economic collapse , I could see pinning their hope on trading to obtain needed items . On the other hand , a fully prepared prepper for total self sufficiency should have no need to depend on trade . -- That is why I don't understand why someone sitting in that vulnerable position doesn't invest in a real survival retreat and accumulate their envisioned needed survival supplies . Instead of buying minor trinkets they might want to consider working toward big ticket items such as land .
     
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  30. lonewolf

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    thats why I, and others, purchase the things we will need post collapse NOW, not wait to barter or expect them to be lying around for us to fall over them post catastrophe.
     
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    Skills will be a good barter item, all sorts of skills will be needed post fall.
     
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  32. lonewolf

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    Skills will be needed post collapse thats for sure, shame if the person with the skills cant get to where they are needed either because of distance or because its not safe or both.
    thats why its wise to learn those skills we may need now, not rely on others.
     
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    I should have said 'specialist skills'. If a major fall did happen there would be no manufacturing of major goods for a very long time so maintenance skills of all kinds will be in demand to keep things running or set up new systems from what we have to hand.
     
  34. lonewolf

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    Spare parts will be the problem and may be impossible to find.
     
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      But not impossible to build if you have developed the skill sets. Years ago I built myself a foundry and learned how to cast metal with sand molds, lost wax and finally lost foam casting. With a lathe, mill and small generator I can reproduce anything I want. I figured that might be worth something.
       
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  35. TMT Tactical

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    Basic / Specialized skills with out spare parts will be next to useless. An electrician knows how to safely replace a defective circuit breaker but without a spare, there is nothing to be done safely. Auto mechanic can rebuild an engine but without the parts, that is a no-go. The first skills that will be needed are survival skills. If a person can survive long enough, then maybe those special skill will become useful.
     
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    by lonewolf...


    This is why I am often in the habit of putting back certain spares...spare parts.....and trying to put them in a safe controlled enviornment. I have two sets of spare tubes for my amateur radio amplifier....spare amateur walkie talkies along with spare batteries...car and scooter parts.... Spare 115 Volts to 13.8 volt spare power supplies too.

    Also some tools by which I can fabricate repairs and some spares.

    Yes...skills will become important as well.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  37. Max rigger

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    If you get the 'big die off' without a thermo-nuclear exchange spares of all kind will be there for a long while. Petrol/gasoline goes off pretty quick, diesel lasts longer but its worth looking at making ethanol based fuels, running motors on vegetable oil that sort of thing.

    I bought no tools to Spain and its amazing how much you can spend kitting yourself out with tools from scratch, starting with nothing sort of thing. In hindsight I could have boxed up tools and shipped them here but then I'd have nothing in the UK and you've got all the hassle of customs checks since Brexit. All I bought with me was a Leatherman but I've got all my basics now but will need more before long. Prices here are I'd guess around 10% more than the UK.

    We now have mains power, water and very fast internet (1GB) and the septic tanks are being drained and flushed on Thursday, not full but not been used for about five years so need a clean out.
     
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  38. Old Geezer

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    There will be many needed skills during SHTF situations. Medical skills will be at or near the top of the list. Humans get sick. Humans get injured. I have. My family has. Get a compound fracture and you will need medical aid or you will die of septicemia. Get dirt in a bone sticking out of the skin and first your leg will rot, then you will.
     
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  39. lonewolf

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    I always chuckle at the thought someone expects to just fall over spare parts for stuff post disaster, its not logical, Spock!
    however, its a good excuse not to prepare.
     
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  40. lonewolf

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    in a SHTF world doctors are mostly (in the UK)on the front line and will be the first to go, either by disease or violence, what we can do for ourselves will probably be the only medical help we will get. modern medicines wont be available either.
    each activity that we do will need to be undertaken with safety in mind and not taking risks will be top priority.
     
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    You make me chuckle LOL

    You dream of the big fast die off, you've mentioned it in many of your posts so unless everything is melted in a nuclear exchange spares of all kinds will be there and therein is a major problem, you won't recognise spares for what they are or what you'd use them for. You have to my knowledge and absolutely no interest in technology or mechanics in general so you and people like you will walk past something that would be very very useful to others (and you if you knew your ass from your elbow about such things).

    A lot of qualified medical staff of all grades will die off but not all, you'll also have people like me who are enthusiastic amateurs who know more than the average person (but no expert). If its the big fast die off then as I'm sure you are aware many drugs remain good long after their use by date by a factor of years (look up the US army long term testing of medications) so they'll be top of the 'spares' list.

    Every POW camp in WW2 had their 'scrounger', someone who'd source needed things and people like this, often a 'jack of all trades' will be very useful after a fall, they may not be an expert in something but will know enough not to walk past a useful spare.

    Your negativity and inflexibility will not help you post major event LW IMHO.

    My new Spanish phrase of the day is "filete de costilla".......rib eye steak and lovely it was too, pan fried in olive oil and butter with a little garlic :)
     
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  42. lonewolf

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    You havent got a clue about the big die off Max because you dont believe in it and you assume that there will be lots of lovely technology for you to use post collapse but most stuff that is left over be it spare parts or drugs or whatever will be trampled by the panicking masses. assuming anything post collapse will get people killed.
    if you bothered to read anything I've posted properly you would know that I think a slow gradual collapse is more likely not a fast one although a fast one is more prefereable, get it over with and come out the other side and start again from scratch.
    I have lived off grid and know what it takes to live a simple basic life without resorting to items that wont be functioning in a post collapse world.
    Anyway, I thought you were supposed to be in Spain and working on your alledged house?
    dont waste your time on us I'm sure you've got better things to do.
     
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    The two main scenarios are ==== 1) World Wide Grid down (fast collapse) OR 2) Economic Collapse (Slow collapse). A sudden collapse will provide more abandoned resources but much fewer safe ways to collect the abandoned assets. The fast collapse could promulgate a possible "Mad Max" situation due to the huge amount of ciaos. Sudden end to communications. The monetary system gone. Transportation systems gone. Supply lines gone. The sheeple would not be able to communicate with "Big Brother" government. The wolves would come out of hiding and start openly attacking anybody that might have something of value. The slow collapse will use up all or most of the supplies but will provide more time to adjust to the new normal. Some communities will band together but most of the cities will fall into ruin. Ciaos will still rule the day but on a smaller level.
     
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  44. Old Geezer

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    Short of a full-throw thermonuclear war or a real plague -- such as a 90% fatal hemorrhagic fever -- there will be cascading events that will take everyone deeper and deeper into chaos.

    If there is a real plague, then medical personnel will be at risk. In our area, there are hundreds of haz-mat suites and med providers are trained in their use. I can walk to where these are stored -- less than 200 yards away.

    Sub-instant-apocalypse, needed assets will come under the protection of military. Medical facilities are among top priority assets and will be protected by available military, police, and people like me who know them and will provide them with whatever I can muster. My personal physician has family and I will protect that family myself if it comes to that. I'm old, therefore expendable. Me and thousands like me will not stand by and not protect the police or other people with core abilities. SHTF situation and I witness people trying to kill cops, I'll instantly begin firing into those attacking the police. Same goes for anyone attacking medical providers -- such felons will incur the wrath of the locals. Like I say, I'm old, half-crippled and very expendable.

    Humans run in packs. I was going into surgery one time and the anesthesiologist told the team, "He's one of us." Same goes for the other direction. Think I'd let them get hurt?! Over my dead body ... and I do mean that literally. (At my age and condition, it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice.)
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    Optimism I suppose can be a good thing , something most youth posses . My old self , my opinion is we have already entered a slow economic collapse from which there will be no reversal . Very possible though a fast occurring SHTF event could fall on top of the slow fall "that we are already in " , creating a double and perhaps even a triple devastating future . --- Slow , fast or both can fall upon the planet and My family group will simply live on our own private owned property as a group of self sufficient survivalist because we prepared and not just talked about preparing . I am not interested in trading for trinkets with someone that might find out that they don't have what it will take for survival . We will simply run guard duty and eliminate those that might think they can simply take from the prepared .
     
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    --- This should interest you guys that are depending on barter for survival . Lets just skip to real time " right now " , and see what is in high demand for barter .
     
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      Very good video. Thanks for posting.
       
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  47. Old Geezer

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    Who said anything about depending on barter for survival?!

    I'm no surgeon and I hope that during hard times my family will not require surgery. Yet, it could happen. Were it to happen, how could I pay a physician to perform that surgery? Dollar bills will be toilet paper.

    Y'gotta know folk who work in ER or EMTs or Veterinarians who can help in an injury situation. You also gotta be able to compensate these folk should they provide services for you.

    If you haven't these things, then one fall, one infection, and you or your children or your grandchildren will die of something imminently treatable.

    Post SHTF, gravity will still exist, sharp thingies will still exist, and bacteria will go on until the sun goes super-nova. Think you have every skill that exists?! Think again.
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  48. lonewolf

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    so be more careful what you are doing,especially post SHTF, I lived off grid for 12 years and I never had any accidents not even a cut finger, maybe some disease or some medical condition will get us all eventually but an accident is nothing more than carelessness or doing something stupid.
     
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    I admit I could be wrong , but expect post SHTF going to a doctor or hospital will be a " no go ". Even the little bump of a Chinese virus has made it a hard go for medical facilities to remain open . If the electrical grid is lost permanently , then there is little doubt that they will be shut down and abandoned . ---- My preps have taken this into account and have stocked up on long forceps for bullet removals , surgical needles and surgical stapler . Within our group we have a medical personnel though , not a surgeon may be called upon to learn on the job . -- Our survival plan is zero dependency on the outside world of our survival grounds . Therefore bartering for anything is not likely . If We did barter it would be surplus perishable food such as milk , but we are not expecting to be needing anything someone else may posses . --- Actually the more likely scenario " we would give that surplus milk away for free " as I wouldn't expect them to have anything that we would want in return .
     
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  50. lonewolf

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    Exactly! post SHTF unless something or someone is within a few miles it or they might just as well be on the moon, around my neck of the woods doctors do not live on the premises and live many miles away, they may not be able to travel, hospitals are all at least 1 hours drive away and travel may not be possible, or safe.
    relying on anyone outside of the core group may not be possible post SHTF.
     
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