What's your best weapon to use?

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  1. lonewolf

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    i never cared much what people thought about me. I've got long hair and a beard, neither have been cut since my mothers funeral in 1985!!!
     
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      if you have never been cut ..i am here requesting you to allow me to cut you.When cutting i will use karambit knife
       
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  2. Grumpy Max

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    I’d have long hair but I took after uncle & lost most of it in my 30’s, now I’m just an old skinhead.
     
  3. lonewolf

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    well we've both saved a fortune in haircuts just in different ways!!
     
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    And I trim my hair so no hairdresser costs.
     
  5. TexDanm

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    I just have never liked getting my hair cut. When I was a kid EVERY other Saturday my Dad took me and we spent the entire morning sitting in a barber shop waiting in line to get our hair cut. I wanted to go fishing or hunting but oh no we HAD to get our hair cut.

    My Dad had lots of things that he was very particular about. We went to church every Sunday. Then we had to get haircuts every other Saturday and mow every other week. The car had to be washed, the oil changed and the garden worked on and then we went to the farm several times a month. He worked 10 to 12 hours a day and Monday through Friday and then one Saturday a month for inventory. He just never had much time for just fun stuff.

    I hate haircuts and mowing and don't do a lot of either.
     
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  6. Old Geezer

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    My wife cuts what few hair strands I have atop my head. I'm so bald that NASA calls me and tells me to put on a hat because the glare off my head is blinding satellites.

    At the Little Big Horn, General George Armstrong Custer's survival skills went missing ... which played a big part in his scalp going missing.
     
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  7. watcherchris

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    Hair cutting has never been a big deal for me...or a stress point.

    Fitting in the time is the problem with me ...

    Between the shift I am working and what I take care of around here and at times at my mothers place....time is the issue.

    I don't mind at all that lovely young woman running her fingers through my hair....and tip accordingly.

    LOL LOL LOL!!


    And Yeah.....Oldee Geezer...I'm catching up to you...I am working on a nice bald spot on the top of my pate.


    It is the dentist as the place I do not like to go.


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
  8. lonewolf

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    I've got a female dentist so no worries there!!:p
     
  9. gladys mwihaki

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    hello for me i guess most people have a feeling that guns are the right weapons to have but i strongly feel that a there are other types of weapons that we should consider giving a try such as krambit knives and spydeco knives or even quality machetes or swords...i would also recommend you to try pure fighting knives
    Hoping i have done this the right way incase you find it offensive please communicate back and i will have changes done immediately thank-you/
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    You don't want to ever be in a knife fight. The screaming, the gurgling, and the smells ... no thank you.

    Put a bit of lead through the enemy's head; I'm fine with that, wipe my boots upon his mat. Time now for a snack, back to my shack, let's take the diesel, pop goes the weasel.

    Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
    Half a pound of treacle.
    That's the way the money goes,
    Pop! goes the weasel.



     
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  11. watcherchris

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    A Gun reduces the amount of pure labor and closeness at which a lot of things happen or occur. They are very efficient at reducing risk if properly used. Not just with game hunting but for defense as well.

    I like knives ..very much...but they are close in tools. Also a good knife is a very valuable tool and at tool for which to be taken care in properly preserving.

    Too many people I know for whom a knife is one of the most abused tool out there next to a screw driver.

    I don't bring my good knives to work with me ..I bring a knife for which I can afford to lose or get damaged. To many people there have no respect for a good knife or any tool. I don't like high maintenance people like that. My knives..even the cheap ones I bring to work are valuable tools to me...just like my lock pick set.

    In my both car and my truck...my BOB has attached to it a Cold Steel Gladius/Machette. It has been there for years along with a camp axe. The van has a tomahawk with a hammer on one end of it....with the daily BOB.

    I can appreciate a fine tool...edged or otherwise.


    It is of historic interest to me that many weapons originated as daily tools used by ordinary people. They were simply a natural extension of their daily training/work.

    The Oriental Nunchuku..or the staff..the bo... etc. The spear is a extension of the simple staff.

    But most of this kind of fighting or combat took place more or less at arms reach...eye to eye if you like.

    Firearms made this kind of thing more efficient.

    If anything the blade was once again adapted to the firearm in the form of a bayonet.
    My military type rifles...I try to get the bayonet for them to maintain the historical accuracy of them...but I do not try to shoot them with bayonet. A bayonet makes the barrel end significantly heavy...on many rifles.

    I am looking to get a 1907 British bayonet for my Ishapore Enfield rifle in .308 caliber to complete it historically.
    This is a naturally heavy full battle rifle when loaded with ammunition. Even heavier with a bayonet.
    But it will be more historically accurate.

    I find this kind of history very very interesting as to the development of certain tools into weapons...and how it differed in certain cultures ...parts of the world.

    Oh...and Olde Geezer is correct...knives and such are messy messy business. Very nasty. I don't care what people like to boast about firearms...knives and edged tools are very very messy. The stuff of nightmares.

    I've seen people bleeding out from bad injuries...very very messy if it cannot be stopped. Edged tools the same or worse.


    Oh...and no you did not give any offense here...to me. I found your position interesting.
    Keep up the good work.

    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
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      Pity I didn't know that you wanted a bayonet for a .303...I've just sold some.
       
      Ystranc, Feb 9, 2019
  12. gladys mwihaki

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    wow this was nice after going through various gun laws by ste in variou google platforma nd wiki i realised that guns are the most efficent weapons that will help you to offer your self all the self defence you ever wished to have

    due to this reason i managed to come across website that offered various self defence guns i have listed all the links here it is also very imortant to note that iam not the owner of the website i just thought sharing the information is a grete idea thankyou for reading this post.

    Best Rifle For Long Range Target Shooting

    Remington 700 hunter

    comes with a very efficient trigger that enables you to very sound shooting or hunting decisions

    Best Civilian Assault Rifle


    Remington 700

    Remington 700 managed to feature in our list of Best rifle for long range target shooting as it comes with a very efficient trigger that enables you to very sound shooting or hunting decisions.it is also in better position of

    NB:i found these two guns to be very efficient

     
  13. Keith H.

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    If you are "bugging out" then you need to think of the weight of the ammo, how much can you carry? A .22 would be a better option if you have to carry a modern firearm. A 12 gauge shotgun is a better gun for defence at home or in the field. You would have a hard job missing your target with a load of buckshot. But again, the ammo is heavy & once the ammo is gone, you are left with a goat stake or a club! I have modern guns for use at home, but if I could only carry one long gun when bugging out, it wouldn't be a modern breech-loader.
    Keith.
     
  14. Tom Williams

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    The most mass produced gun is the ak 47 second i belive is the sks made by many countries shipped everywhere 3rd id say now is 12gauge shotgun in many forms these 3 are world wide and ammo is everywhere
     
  15. AntonyRaison

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    For me would be a knife,
    I carry one daily, use them all the time in the field... guns run out of ammo.. but a knife always has a stabby bit at the end, and in close quater combat a knife is generally more dangerous than a firearm.
     
  16. watcherchris

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    I have one of each....but like the SKS best. For home defense the 12 gauge wins hands down.

    I like a good .22 long rifle but have two pump guns which shoot longs and shorts in addition to Long rifles. There have been times in this city when a .22 Short has come in handy to dispatch the local wildlife I've caught in traps without alarming the whole neighborhood.
    I know how to fabricate my own silencer if needed but the .22 short suffices for most uses around here.

    This I have found to be one of the most dependable and accurate .22 long rifle pistols I have ever seen out of the box.

    The one I own is the Ruger Government Mk II target with bull barrel at some 5.5 to 6 inches long.

    here..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_MK_II

    But other than my slide/pump .22 long rifles, I prefer bolt actions...the simpler the better.


    The AK 47 I don't have much use for it..and prefer the SKS. With 30 round magazines I find the AK 47 a bit awkward and prefer to load them with 20 rnd magazines. For this reason too..I prefer the SKS...10 rounds is more than sufficient in most applications.

    Again...for accuracy I prefer a bolt action in .308. Ammo is not a problem as I roll my own in this caliber and can even roll...7.62 x 39mm ammo...having put back sufficient brass for it though the com block ammo is very available around here.

    I have found that I like the Mossberg patrol rifle as a short barreled bolt action in .308...with magazine feed. It has iron sights but also glass upon it. I use 10 round magazines in it....from Tapco.

    This is a light quick bolt action of the Scout rifle design.


    Outside of that very accurate .22 pistol...I prefer wheel guns...it is my way. I can roll my own ammo for these as well.

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  17. TexDanm

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    I will say that if I could only have one gun it would probably be a well tricked out Ruger 10-22. I can kill anything on the North American continent with it. Ammo is light and plentiful and with the extended magazines I can lay out a cloud of accurately directed lead. It might not be as powerful as a bigger rifle or shotgun but it will do a lot of things real well out to 100 yards. I can hit way farther out than 100 yards but the 22lr loses a lot after that first hundred.

    I don't want to be dependent on guns for hunting so I wouldn't miss a 30 cal rifle. Shotguns are just such a waste for hunting. In a world where ammo is priceless a shell for a bird or small game. We don't have bears, moose or elk here but even if we did a 10-22 can drop anything if you just hit specific areas and hit it a lot.

    If I lived in an urban area I might want something with a little more power and if I lived out in a more open place I might want a rifle with more reach.
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    I must admit that I have this illogical, almost irrational, attraction to the .22 magnum. Intellectually I would answer otherwise. Maybe my subconscious sees the out-of-proportion efficiency of the little round. Over the decades, I've owned all manner of firearm configurations chambered for this round: revolver, lever-action, pump, bolt, semi-auto. I like that a box of 50 rounds is so small. A shaving kit will hold over 500 rnds. A feeding device is made for reloading rimfire tube magazines; .22 LR or mag, also comes in short loader or longer for the full-sized tubes.

    https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/3/34460_ts.jpg

    On a Rossi pump, one can hold the trigger and pump the rifle to dump the entire magazine into whatever.

    The .22 mag out of a rifle has the energy of a 9mm handgun ... but with a 40 gr bullet. Thus the bullet comes apart violently and dumps its energy into the animal. Don't shoot small game with this number -- I've turned a rabbit inside-out, bowels out its shoulder, almost ripped it into halves. Still somehow it will get in deep enough on larger critters ... go figure(?). Across mountain pastures, it is flat-shooting enough to pass for a varmint rifle (west of the Mississippi, not so much).

    On humans, its bullet is too light ... or is it?! Massad Ayoob considered the .22 mag. "nasty" or some adjective like that. He put its effectiveness next to the .38 special. I know that a .22 mag Freedom Arms revolver with a 1.5" barrel will blow a nasty hole right through a pressure-treated 2" x 4". But, oh dear lord, is that ever loud! And you have to put some after-market larger grips on such a tiny revolver. I read a case where a woman put such a revolver up to a rapist's chest and killed him instantly.

    As to iffy accuracy, I don't know; I mean I've never had accuracy problems with any of my .22 mag weapons. I put a laser on a .22 mag unit for the wifer and she can put that light on something, bam bam bam bam bam and radically tear it apart.

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    Back to rational thought ...

    The .357 mag combo, lever rifle plus revolver and several speed loaders, makes for a bug-out duo with plenty of killing power. The .357 mag, especially out of a carbine, has enough power to go right through the side of vehicles. The .357 out a carbine has precious little recoil, so that should your female companion need to do the deed, no problem, no flinch. And you can shoot .38 Specials in these for those times you want to preserve meat. Too, shooting .38 ammo is a whole lot less loud. Full wadcutters cause turbo-bleeding.

    Out of a rifle, the .357 really comes into its own power-wise -- look at all of those hunters using them from tree stands during deer season. Eastern whitetail deer can be dropped where they stand with a WHOLE LOT LESS POWER than a 30-06 delivers. If a 30-06 bullet should happen to expand inside a deer, then Mr. Deer gets splattered and meat WILL be ruined. Friend of mine blew the far foreleg and shoulder off a deer when using a full sized 30 cal round.

    A 9mm carbine plus handgun(s) is also a winning combo for bugging out. Out of a carbine, the 9mm achieves .357 mag handgun energy levels. Watch out, 9mm +P+ ammo can cause jamming in blow-back carbines! The 9mm out a carbine feels like you are only shooting a .22 rimfire. And the 9mm carbine is a fun plinker. Plinking is practice for when it actually does hit the fan, don't'cha'know.
     
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  19. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer,

    You have me chuckling to myself here with this....



    I own two Rossi .22 long rifle pumps. One a full length pump rifle and the other the shorter carbine. Both will "Slam Fire " by holding the trigger down and just pumping them. They were made with this feature.

    However this is not recommended ..for any accuracy....but I do like my slide guns...and these guns will handle Long Rifles, Longs, and shorts too.

    I also like a .22 long rifle in a bolt action or a single shot.

    Can't say I have ever owned a .22 Magnum.


    I also have an Ithaca Model 37 in 12 gauge which will also "Slam Fire" by holding down the trigger and then just continuing to pump until empty.
    I don't think the new ones coming off the manufacturing line have this feature. They seem want to get rid of it.

    I definitely do not recommend this in a 12 gauge tool. It becomes extremely difficult to control....and the recoil is a terror in a Model 37 Ithaca Featherweight. This Ithaca is a good shotgun for the monies spent...

    Thanks for reminding me.

    Watcherchris
     
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  20. GREGORY Brooks

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    AK-47, got 3 of them.... and if I use the bullets sparingly, with one shot one kill, I can last for months.... still buy them bulk every month.
     
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  21. RICH-FL

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    What is the most important weapon to have?

    Easy your mind and experience... With out those would you be able to shot a pistol, rifle, use a knife?

    Experience includes proper training to use all weapons and continuous training in there use.

    I do not care if you like AK or AR. Can you use both out to 200 yards, and hit your moving target?

    Can you use a knife and pistol at ranges from 1 foot to 25 yards? Every time?

    Did you know the number of rounds used in WW-II to kill one enemy combatant? 49,000

    How about Iraq and the Stan? 6000

    Are you able to beat those averages every day, and night? Or maybe you need to spend more time in training.

    Food for thought!
     
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  22. RICH-FL

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    Well the best weapon I own is at my groups retreat. I got it on E-Bay about 9 years ago. It is an M-60A1 tank once owned by the USMC. I have it running but will not talk about weapons.

    It makes me bullet proof!!!!!
     
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  23. TexDanm

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    My mind... It is loaded with information and skills that make me deadly even if butt naked and alone.
     
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  24. Keith H.

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    There is also a reason why woodsrunners & mountain men did NOT abandon flintlocks. You have a right to your personal choice, but don't tell me I am wrong unless you have walked in my moccasins because you can't possibly know what is best for me in my situation.
    Keith.
     
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  25. TMT Tactical

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    TD is correct, in every aspect. Next to my mind, is what ever weapon I have at the time.
     
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  26. Morgan101

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    I am still in the hand gun camp, and a .357 magnum is still my weapon of choice. Easy to carry. Easy to access. Easy to use. Versatility of ammunition. Ample stopping power for almost any mammal, at least anything I am likely to run across. Modest range. You can defend yourself. You can hunt. Good luck hunting with a knife or sword.

    I own both swords and knives. I have trained in Martial Arts, and have some martial arts weapons. I still believe a firearm is the great equalizer. How does the quote go? " God may have created men, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
     
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    According to wikipedia they stopped producing the slam-fireable models in 1975. I inherited one, in 16 gauge, that was manufactured in the '60s. With the low recoil target loads it's easier to control when slam-firing, but the few times I've done it have just been for the "Hey, watch this" effect when firing off the last few shells at the end of the day shooting with friends. The model 37 is a great firearm, and my best weapon for rabbit, grouse, and turkey (or skeet).

    To answer the OPs question, I might have to say my Mossberg 500 12ga (18.5" barrel, pistol grip, sling, and tactical light), but reserve the right to change my answer to either my Ruger 10/22 or S&W 586 .357 depending on the circumstances.
     
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    I have folding stocks on my Ithaca M-37 shotguns. One has a 18" barrel. Having several hacksaws and a range of blades could handy post SHTF.

    I live with very large monsters, that even post massive SHTF they will still be my most likely cause of death. So urinated'off Alaska Coastal Brown Bears first, and urinated'off humans second.
     
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    If i were forced to have only one gun, this would be a challenge as I am a believer in using the right gun for the right purposes. If I were forced to pick only one, it would be my 45/70 guide gun. It’s very capable against interior brown bears, which are a threat in my area. Even though it doesn’t have the range of my 338, 300 or 30/06, I could certainly get close enough to moose or caribou to take them if I needed to. It would also be effective against the two legged varmits too.
     
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    AJ: I have one as well, and I agree, I do love it. One gun that will take down anything in North America. I'm not sure how well it would do with a rabbit or a squirrel. Oh it would kill it, no doubt. I just don't think we would find much left. Maybe we could club it with the gun. LOL.
     
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  31. lonewolf

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    the quietest weapon would be a crossbow or longbow, quarry would be hit long before it ever knew you were there.
     
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  32. TexDanm

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    Weapons are tools. You need to determine exactly what you need it to do and then base your decisions on a REAL assessment of your needs based on threat analysis and your specific skill set.

    If you live someplace where you have a realistic probability to have to deal with BIG angry bears, lions, Tigers and such then a 22lr of any kind is not worth much to you.

    If you actually expect to have to live from hunting you need to decide what works best in your location. Let's be real a 12 guage is a just great general use weapon but if you are going to be hunting in open country and making shots our to several hundred years it is just slightly better than useless. On the other side if you are in heavily forested area a scoped high powered rifle limits your ability to use it for smaller game.

    In most places a bow in the hands of a skilled archer is an excellent choice. If on the other hand your archery skills are limited at best you will lose all your arrows and have to spend all your time making new ones and being hungry. A cross bow is easier to master but I'm not sure how well it would work with handmade bolts after you lost all of your original bolts are lost.

    A flintlock musket is probably about the only firearm that has an almost endless useful lifespan. You can make your own gunpowder and in a bind it can even shoot rocks, nails or whatever you can find. You can knap your own flints and long after your regular firearms have shot their last round it can still be going. It is limited in firepower against multiple attackers. In the past that was answered by carrying several guns or an edged weapon for when they closed with you. If you are going to be in an area with few human attackers it will be fine.

    If you plan on being attacked all the time you will need the firepower of a major battle rifle. Don't bet your life on an assault rifle. You want something that will STOP an attacker with a single shot. If you are a part of a group in jungle type terrain then the lighter assault weapon and its lighter ammo that will allow you to carry more of it it is the best.

    If you have the skills to provide yourself with meat via trapping and such then the weapon is purely a defensive tool there is a lot to be said for a handgun that you can have on you at all times. The advantage of a handgun over a shotgun or assault rife is simply that you wear it and don't have to carry it. Even when you are working with you hands it is still right there if you need it. Another sort of advantage is that you will be more likely to deal with problems by being sneaky than aggressive and avoid conflict rather than face it head on.

    Up close and personal an edged weapon is better than a gun of any kind. Edged weapons are also useful for a multitude of other things. An axe is an overwhelming weapon in close combat and is useful for making a strong protective shelter.

    The thing is that all weapons have their place and function and each has its strengths and weaknesses. What you need to realize is that no weapon can make you safe. Any person can be ambushed and a sniper can take you down. There is a lot of truth in the old adage that those that live by the sword will die by the sword. The best weapon is going to be the one that you never have to use because you avoided conflict and instead put your energies into passive defensive efforts. Make your place invisible and hard to find and you will be safer. Learn how to use any weapon to its best advantage.

    I will tell you for a fact under some circumstances me with a baseball bat against you with an AR and unlimited magazines places you at a great disadvantage. I am a shadow dancer and in the dark in the woods at night if you were to try and hunt me down you would find me when I bashed your head in.

    Know your strengths. Know your weaknesses. Use the right weapon, never play fair and never fight a fight that can be avoided.
     
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  33. Ystranc

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    Since I'm in the UK there is a much lower number of firearms in circulation. I'm unlikely to need to defend myself against anything other than the occasional shotgun owner....in that instance I would rather choose to own a .22lr and keep my distance, it's also a more suitable firearm for hunting small game...after all, maybe I could be attacked but its less likely that I'll be facing anyone who is heavily armed here...I'd rather have the hunting ability.
     
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  34. TexDanm

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    The thing about there being fewer guns is that historically fewer guns has most often had a negative impact on violent crime. I would rather be shot than stabbed with a kitchen knife or a sharpened piece of rebar.

    I will tell you for a fact that a BIG knife or short sword is a weapon that has been proven historically to be very effective. It is the BEST at close distances and as far as defensive use having a gun won't make you safer than a big knife. Neither will protect you from another person with a gun and the desire to just kill you. The old west gunfights were mostly just made for TV. If I'm going to kill you I'm not going to offer you the opportunity to hurt me.

    A knife has the advantage of being a silent killer and will force you to learn to be sneaky and make your defensive skills and efforts more on point.
     
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  35. TMT Tactical

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    The person holding the weapons is the deadliest part of any weapon. A slingshot in the hands of the right person just went from a toy to a lethal weapon. A katana / sword in the hands of the wrong person is next to useless (see video of fat liberal survivalist). The ability of the person holding the weapon will determine how effecting / dangerous it becomes. That 200 pound weak kneed guy, holding a 357 magnum and is shaking from head to toes is not nearly as dangerous as the 98 pound grandma who has a dead steady bead right between your running lights (eye for those wondering).
     
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  36. lonewolf

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    a lot of the time your best weapon will be your brain, most people cant think straight in a catastrophe and they will panic. keeping a clear head when all around you are going to pieces might just be what you need to survive.
     
  37. TexDanm

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    Dead on Lone Wolf. The best weapon is the one that you never have to use because you avoided getting into that sort of confrontation.
     
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