When Your Electronic Equipment Spies On You...

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  1. Max rigger

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    Reliant ? maybe, I look at technology as a tool same way as I view a knife, just tools to make life easier. Knowledge broadly speaking is a good thing and it doesn't matter if you look it up in a book, online or via word of mouth...retaining the knowledge for yourself and others is the important factor and how you gained it is not important.

    I work with technology, its pays me very well but I also love technology and still am impressed at times with it. You don't like tech and thats fine but I still get a buzz from little things like having hundreds of books stored on a little Kindle, having dozens of hi definition films/movies on a small USB stick or a thousand songs on my phone; we live in amazing times Lone Wolf.
     
  2. TexDanm

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    I am prepared to go primitive. That does not mean that I would not prefer a more modern lifestyle BUT if you are not prepared for the worst case scenario then you will be dead meat if that is what you face.

    I am set up to deal with a wide variety of problems. The biggest problem may well be other people that made NO preparations. I am capable of making my own power but at least for the short term I really don't feel that being the only place with lights in a dark world would be a good thing.

    Honestly, I will have no problem with going totally primitive similar to how people live 150 to 200 years ago. I live in a place that is actually pretty easy on you. Lots of fresh water, mild winters mostly above freezing, lots of wildlife and even more domestic animals. I can have a garden year around.

    People that are prepared will have a lot of weapons and will be prepared to defend themselves, their property, and their supplies. Over time I have hope that people will settle down and return to some level of civilization but an more than prepared to handle those that were not really civilized before the fall.
     
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    The wife and I have a fine library. Emerson sits in a sacred place in our library. Maybe one should read Emerson, Thoreau, and Whitman by candlelight. They wrote by it.

    “To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

    “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

    “When it is dark enough, you can see the stars.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

    “The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

    “I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

    “Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self Reliance

    “All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen.”
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  4. Max rigger

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    'I am prepared to go primitive', are six words that show you are a prepper IMO. You're ready to face the worse but you've not isolated yourself from available aids to living which from my slant is the way forward because it shows you'll embrace whats available to continue your survival. :cool:
     
  5. lonewolf

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    it has always been said post SHTF "use what is available to get to a place where you can live without it when it no longer works or is not available".
    when previous civilisations collapsed the technology was so simple the survivors could access their daily needs by their own physical labour, I'm not sure most people in modern society could do that anymore .
    post SHTF "Keep it simple, stupid" will be the watchword. Adapt or Die.
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    thats NOT what he said. you are twisting words to suit your own agenda.
     
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  9. paul m

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    Wouldn’t want to twist words to suit an agenda though.
     
  10. lonewolf

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    going primitive and living a basic, simple life are both pre industrial life styles not reliant on machines .
     
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  11. poltiregist

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    I use solar daily to power my deep freeze , though my system is sometimes inadequate on cloudy conditions and then I swap the freezer power over to electricity coming from the community grid . It saves on my monthly electric bill so actually is slowly paying for it's self . Whatever kills the community power grid , I am at least more prepared for the event than most . I plan to keep my solar system system up until it is no longer feasible . At that point , I have a back up plan for food preservation that is more labor intense . My wood fueled walk in smoke house would at that point would come into more use .
     
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  12. paul m

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    So Lonewolf ,when the collapse happens,and it will in some form one day,at what point will you discard everything ‘modern’ ,like steel knives and matches,and go back to using flint and obsidian tools? The way you constantly criticise anyone for modern gadgetry ( you ARE using a computer yourself,remember?) , shows a lack of understanding of mankinds resilience and ingenuity in a crisis. You also seem to *want* to go back to living down and dirty,like some Neolithic animal.I don’t.Our intelligence and use of current,ever developing technologies,is what puts us at the top of the food chain.Sure,a tiger can kill and eat me,but if I have a gun ( more modern technology!) I can shoot him first.Man has a brain and uses it to further his comfort.
    The iPad I am using has so much stored knowledge on it in the form of books,it is a marvel. If the electricity ends,there are many ways to keep it charged , and I have made sure I have those methods available to me.Those small scale methods mean I have access to knowledge,lighting,alarms and two way communication.Even the torch ( flashlight) in my pocket. I have a paper library too,but I cannot take that away in a bag if I have to leave.My gadgets are in hard ,waterproof cases. I won’t say they are indestructible nor indispensable,but the ARE another convenient tool.So,that kit may be ‘ spying on me’, but there is nobody,one individual,that is flagging me up because I am here,or buying fishing tackle on eBay.I am on business in London at the moment,and I have to head to the office of a client soon. A quick search on this very device will tell me which train to catch in seconds,and exactly where that place is. A Force Multiplier.Saves work. In a post collapse scenario,the means to alarm and survey my property may well be life saving.

    There is a character in the book ‘Lucifers Hammer’ post apocalyptic fiction,a teacher or professor as I recall,who understands the value of knowledge for the very existence of mankind.Before the comet strike destroys most of the world,he wraps as many reference books as he can,containing the accumulated knowledge of man in oilcloth and stores them in a hardened storm drain. Later he retrieves them,and it ensures his place in a community where such things as replicating Insulin,to treat his own diabetes becomes possible. A tablet,or even smartphone,could EASILY store that volume of information today.

    A lot of survivalists say that all knowledge should be stored in the head,and to a degree that is true.That,though would mean a rather limited field of expertise,when a person may have to be everything from a farmer to a medic. However,a truly intelligent person knows WHERE to look for further knowledge on a subject. For instance,if one of my goats ( I have a small herd) gets sick,I call the veterinarian.Post collapse,it will be the book I have stored on this tablet,or if that is no longer available,one of the books or printouts I have as back up.

    you gotta take what you can get,and a true survivor uses anything to gain an edge.
     
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  13. lonewolf

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    post Collapse everything will change, most of the population will not survive because they cannot and will not adapt to the new "normal", without a manufacturing base and a supply chain any man made item will only last for so long then without a spare part or a replacement it will be unusable and just something to go into the junk pile.
    anyone who cannot make or repair such items had better learn to survive without them pretty quickly.
    any machine which uses oil and petrol or diesel , say a car or a generator, will last as long as any store of these liquids do then they will grind to a halt or more likely seize up completely.
    your description of "down and dirty" and such epithets is incorrect, one can live a simple lifestyle without resorting to wearing skins and living in caves, I have lived a simple off grid life before so I know it can be done without machines and computers and phones.
    as for me using a laptop which I am now doing, that is down to modern life, there is too much emphasis by TPTB , much is only available online, which will be the downfall of much of the human race when the collapse comes, "putting all your eggs in one basket",as for my laptop and mobile phone when the collapse comes to quote Yul Brynner in The Magnificent Seven I will " throw them in the water bucket and ride out!":p;)
     
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  14. poltiregist

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    I am feeling spunky this morning and will step out onto a rotten limb to tell you guys something . Years ago I was under Federal surveillance . Not because I had broken any laws , but because the feds were simply suspicious of me and what I might do . So I did not try to run as I knew I hadn't and was not planning to break any laws . --- For amusement I would point out an aircraft circling my home and tell my kids or grandkids that was the feds watching me . I was only half joking . Fast forward to this past month . The feds sent up big time military grade drowns as well as aircraft out of an airport about 100 miles away to look for a lost federal owned dog . They put up reward posters that didn't have the reward amount on them , but the word was out the reward was 100,000 dollars . I heard last night the reward posters were being taken down . If they would go through that much effort to find a dog , no doubt they would do the same to spy on an individual on their radar . Likely I was right years ago to suspect those aircraft circling overhead was watching me . I certainly am a paranoid prepper . From my past experiences it would be irrational for me to not be . Situational awareness I think was another thread . Being alert for being spied upon is certainly in that category . ---- The aircraft was only one leg of their spy program . It went much deeper than that .
     
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  15. watcherchris

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    by brownbear,

    Modern Bureaucracies survive off a foundation of paperwork...the bigger the pile or foundation of paperwork...the more secure the foundation. And now today this foundation of security/paperwork is being used/misused to manufacture bad guys and then go after them. Historically this leads to Democide.

    Watcherchris
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  16. paul m

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    If most of the population dies off,as you insist it will ( and who am I to argue against that,as nobody truly knows?) ,then there will be one heck of a lot of resources available to the survivors,for sure. I don’t understand your dogmatic insistence that we will be plunged back to a non- mechanical existence. If there are fewer people,smaller communities- probably just family units- then ANY technology,mechanical or electrical,will save valuable time and effort in the fight for survival. You say that “ anyone who cannot make or repair such items had better learn to survive without them pretty quickly.” That is true.However,many people,myself included CAN repair,modify and make all sorts of things.I am a competent mechanic,a good welder and general metalworker. I can lay bricks,repair roofs,I am a fair carpenter etc etc. I am passable with electrics,but my sons are red hot with electronics.Myself and my eldest have built two backyard wind turbines connected to a leisure battery bank. Post collapse there will be plenty of stuff lying around for the taking if most folks have passed over! My family is not unique either.We live in a rural area,and I have many neighbours who have similar skills - in fact you stand out if you don’t. Up and down the country there are many people , families and communities with all sorts of skills that will enable them to utilise what is left. Those sort of people,and people simply intelligent enough to learn new skills- and they will- will turn ,not only to physical libraries,but electronic databases.That will be on the devices that you say are spying on us.

    stuff will wear out,fuels will dwindle,but man has a habit of finding workarounds. When I lived in Africa,I saw that first hand. For instance,if my welding gas becomes unscroungeable ( I think I made that word up!) then I shall set up a basic forge.I have all sorts of electronic and paper information on the topic. Rather than repairing say,a ploughshare, we will make one. My son already messes with knife making, and says we could easily do such a thing.So can other resourceful people. Contrary to your thoughts Lonewolf, just because people don’t label themselves ‘preppers’ or ‘survivalist’, they will not automatically be excluded from the gene pool in a crisis!


    Perhaps you have resigned yourself to a pre industrial life come TEOTWAWKI,as you don’t possess such skills?
     
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  17. poltiregist

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    Paul - what kind of goats do you have ?
     
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    British,and British Saanen crosses.
     
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  19. Brownbear

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    It does seem that way at times. I cannot remember who said it now but I do remember the quote which was something along the lines of "it's not that personal data is collected, it is how it is used that is the problem". Funnily enough we see a similar thing with social media where people are typified by their peer group on the basis of what they like. Join a few pepper groups on facebook and, almost magically, you become a right wing separatist, show support for BLM and also, magically, you become marxist. Such assumptions are almost always inaccurate and, very often, if it what people do not say, or outwardly indicate, that typifies their political and belief system.
     
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  20. lonewolf

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    I always chuckle at this assumption that there will be plenty of stuff laying about for survivors to find and use, first of all that isnt what real preppers are about, they plan and they prepare, they will be self reliant post SHTF, they dont expect to fall over stuff post collapse.
    secondly as we have discussed before, the collapse will more likely not be "one big bang, all over" type of event or events, its more like a slow burn event so at the start there will be more survivors (at least to begin with) to pick over the scrap heaps so if that is someone's intent they had better get there soonest.
    they'll also have to be prepared to fight over the scraps! so not only endangering their own lives but also those who rely on them.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    many years ago I heard of someone who was found living where he was not legally allowed to live simply because a plane had noticed the shine from his one and only solar panel.
     
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  22. Max rigger

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    Lonewolf said "putting all your eggs in one basket" and yet your knowledge base is a pile of books in your home. How many backup books do you have in different location? When you have to leave your home you'll be in poor shape in terms of passing on knowledge because you access to your books is denied.

    From time to time I'll download books/articles/papers on things I'm not really interested in but...someone else might be post collapse so I store my downloads all over the place. Knowledge is a powerful tool in itself even when you don't understand it. Knowledge will be as valuable to some folk as food.

    PS, I love goat meat :)
     
  23. lonewolf

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    how the hell do you know what my knowledge base is? YOU DONT know a thing about me.
    I've had about enough of your personal remarks about me and other members.
    in future any such remarks will be deleted no matter who makes them.
    forum rule number 1 will apply.
     
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    This hijacked thread is on a ridiculous trajectory . Those that fail to adequately prepare for the future will simply have to deal with the results good or bad in the future . Those that have prepared for the worst and hoped for the best will be at the top of the survival heap . Someone half ass--d prepped and sniping at a fully prepared prepper only " shows their fear " of their inadequate preparations . It really doesn't matter who is right about how bad the situation on the planet will become to me , because I fall into the category of preparing for the worst . I have accepted the potential reality of many deaths of sheeple as well as those that half ass--d prepped . I fear no evil though I walk through the valley of death . It actually might be enjoyable to live in a apocalyptic world for those of us with that type of alternate personality .
     
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  25. lonewolf

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    I second that proposal.
     
  26. Old Geezer

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    For the moment, we could simply lose the word "prepping".

    Just one generation ago and, oh most assuredly, two generations ago, people's lives were without modern conveniences altogether. My parents were raised without indoor plumbing. Their parents had no electricity of any sort. My dad's parents, may God shed His Eternal Mercy upon them, were born in the 1890s. And they were POOR. So were my moms kin and poorer yet.

    And they were happier than the folk of our era. My father's mother's lot were perpetually laughing and joking. People made their own music and the instruments to play the music. They had barn dances. People knew each other. If someone needed help, help was provided. Evil people were shunned and if the evil people got too evil, the good people took up arms against them.

    But through all of the dark sh## of their lives, they made room for happiness, even joy.

    How long do marriages work in this day and age?! But a few years. Death parted my grandparents. Death parted my parents. My wife and I are well over 40 years together.

    Today, we and the younger generations below us, have everything technological in nature. Modern devices wash their clothes, even the dishes are put into a machine to be washed. Clean water is piped into homes and indoor restrooms flush away their waste. Flip a switch and poof, the lights come on. Ask young people when the last time was that they were forced to strike a match to see in the dark or to light a fire to cook their food.

    But the younger generations are unhappy.

    And I don't mean a little unhappy.

    Depression is FAR more pandemic than covid-19. Young people are literally killing themselves.

    This grandson who I make laugh thinks I'm a jokester, a comedian. Not true. When I was young, when my parents were young, when my grandparents were young, you developed a sense of humor or your soul would die. You made music yourself. You danced. People did silly things to get others to laugh. People interacted with each other.

    Not today. It is saddening to witness their sadness. I know that tomorrow may hold disaster or death, but that's how things used to be and such is still true today. Welcome to Earth; sh## happens. Prepare for it hitting so it won't hurt so bad when it does -- that's how our ancestors looked at it.

    Youth, under 50 (but sometimes older), have toys. Plus, they imagine that their toys will always be there.

    All of the gadgets and all the electronic toys have not brought two ounces of happiness. Electronics have, if anything, been machines of division. With these devices, people do not talk with each other, they talk at each other. They chatter like a flock of birds landing in a forest, then fly away.

    There is a mindlessness about it. Most assuredly there is a soullessness.
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      All the tech gets in the way of us connecting with people naturally or connecting with nature.
      Social media is constantly being used to show young people all the things they haven't got, how unattractive they are in comparison to false idols and how they don't live up to an idealised body image. It creates discontent and body dismorphia...dis is not good
       
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  27. Max rigger

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    You said you have a library at home, sorry, I presumed you did not have alternative libraries away from home. Always good to have back ups. I've got a 512GB pen drive on my keyring, it holds my complete music and book collection and some films, thats one knowledge base in my pocket and obviously I have that 'collection' stored in multiple places and all encrypted...better safe than sorry and just common sense.
     
  28. Ystranc

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    Again... If anyone would like to check Watcherhris's OP it was simply about your smart devices ability to harvest information... for whatever purpose.
    I shouldn't have to call a moderator to task for taking a thread off topic twice LW....
    Maybe taking this thread down the path of discussing what settings to select on your devices for privacy and security rather than this pointless sniping back and forth would be a good idea.
     
  29. Max rigger

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    Or a new thread on the benefits of technology and specific pieces of equipment? That way those of us who will employ technology should a collapse happen can talk without being criticised.

    Security settings? Simple, don't use a cell phone or the internet if you want to hide.
     
  30. Brownbear

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    And, so back to the OP. Not simple, no, our data and movements are collected in all sorts of different ways, not just via our own phones/internet. You still cannot hide.

    A few examples, we've been over some of these earlier in thread, but as we are returning to the OP it might be worth revisiting.

    If you drive you will be seen by numerous traffic cameras etc. If you drive a "connected" car such as a Tesla the built in GPS tracks your vehicle's movements.

    So we give up driving to hide, leaving us with public transport and walking. Catch a bus, it will have CCTV, so if someone is looking for you they may be able to find you. The same applies with walking, anyone walking in a built up area will be on CCTV at some point. If not street surveillance passing entranceways to buildings etc.

    Get ill, go to a Doctors? There you are popping up again, you locations and the time you were there.

    And, of course, heaven forbid if you pay for anything with any other means than cash. which is getting increasingly harder to use in the pandemic climes. And of you need to get cash and use a cash machine there you are again leaving a digital footprint.

    It's more sinister Thant hat though - do you use a GPS? Each unit is coded with a unique fingerprint, if you bought from any sales outlet, somewhere you have left a digital fingerprint. Doesn't affect you? Think again. Your Casio G-shock travels with you, you're hooked into the system.

    OK, so now you can't drive, can't walk in any built up area, wear a watch, obtain cash, get ill. you can still live, but as you can see your options to hide are very much reduced.
     
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    If you look how far China has taken this they have instituted a kind of "big brother" society with both electronic surveillance and a completely brainwashed populace that are busy denouncing each other for being lazy or less patriotic than they could be..this in turn effects their career prospects, rights to travel etc. If they kow-tow to the Party and are seen to parrot the Party dogma then they get on in life
     
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    They have an interesting social system and, as far as I can see, they accrue "points" for being good citizens and that allows certain privileges. From a western perspective it seems like a bizarre "real life" computer game.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    as a member you are free to start such a thread if you wish.
     
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  34. lonewolf

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    I suppose the answer to the OP is to not have any electronic equipment, no computer or laptop, no smart phone, dont use credit or debit cards-of course if you use cash you can still be clocked at an ATM or bank branch, even a cash receipt will say what time and date you were in a certain shop, I am on CCTV every time I go into my local rural Co-op shop, you will be on CCTV every time you top up your car tank, traffic cameras can be avoided if like me you only use minor roads.
    at the end of the day we cant avoid all electronic surveillance but we can MINIMIZE it.
    any device that is labelled "smart" should be avoided.
     
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    The police,when investigating a crime,also have a list of commercial cctv cameras ( shops,businesses etc) in any given area. You see it on the news for instance,when there is an appeal to find a missing person.Their last recorded movements and so forth. They also are increasingly using ‘Ring’ or the equivalent,doorbells in appeals to the public for help..They are everywhere now.Indeed we have ring motion detection cameras so when we are at work,movement can be detected front and back,and indoors ( to watch the cats mainly)and is relayed directly to our phones.To me THAT is good use of technology- the Force Multiplier that Wesley Rawles writes of in his book,How To Survive The End Of The World.In this time of patchy policing,it is not a bad tool.My neighbour was recently the victim of an attempted burglary,her phone was alerted,and she simply spoke to the burglar via the phone, to the doorbell speaker ,telling him he was being recorded,and the police called. It prevented a break in. The burglar was picked up later,having been recorded elsewhere with the same technology. That’s a result.

    I have been in London on business this week.My wife came with me.As the house was empty,it was alarmed ,of course,all controllable via the smartphone.However at various times,she was,via her smartphone,able to turn lights on and off,and turn the smart speaker on and off to put on music or talk radio. Our neighbour said he didn’t know we had gone,as he had noticed lights going on and off,and could hear music at lunchtime from our kitchen. It is not expensive equipment either,considering what it can do for you.

    Yes ,it could be said that your personal smartphone etc. is ‘spying’ on you,but as described above with the ‘Ring’ smart bells and cameras- so is everyone else’s watching you! I don’t concern myself that there is a person who goes to work everyday,assigned to just monitor ‘Me’ as his employment. So I will make use of my technology,as that Force Multiplier.Why wouldn’t I ?
     
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  36. lonewolf

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    I'm not too concerned about electronic surveillance in the here and now, I dont visit cities so thats at least one area where I'm not being monitored, like I said I'm on CCTV every time I go into my local rural co-op, I'm also monitored in our local filling station and when I go into a supermarket but as I buy less fuel than most people and our monthly big shop is less than most people buy every week I'm not too concerned. we dont have traffic cameras out here in the countryside, in the towns yes but not out on the country roads- unless they bring out a mobile van which isnt very often, I dont use motorways there isnt one within 30 miles!
     
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  37. lonewolf

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    The only crimes Police investigate these days is murder and "hate" crime, at least in the UK, they dont come out for burglary-they give you a crime number for your insurance company and they dont come out for shoplifting if the value is under £100.
    they have closed all the rural Police stations, the nearest manned station to me is 25-30 miles away, sure you can phone them if you like hanging on the phone for hours, or email them.
     
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  38. paul m

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    Well they came out for burglary in our village. The above mentioned scumbag,was a one man crime wave.I also live in quite a ‘posh’ area ,so other people tell us. That didn’t stop a cannabis farm operating from a nice detached place up the road from us.That was entertaining when the constabulary carried out a raid. So to broadly generalise about the UK police like that is very unfair. I also have to say to you that one of my sons,and a daughter are both police officers,and they are far from lazy,and constantly face danger.
     
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    well its totally different in my neck of the woods, we are lucky if we see any Police and the last time I spoke to Police was 22 years ago before I moved from Plymouth.(I never said Police were lazy but they tend to pick and choose what they investigate, I guess burglary and shoplifting just isnt worth their time) not that we have crime where I live, if anything its mostly "domestics".
    we arent a posh area, just a small farming area.
     
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    So you have access to local crime statistics then? Do you lock your door, or is your part of the UK really the heaven on earth you claim it to be,which means you don’t have to?
    My two police officer children tell me that no matter if you live in the country or the town,crimes of every magnitude are being committed.
     
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    not around here mate, the last 3 "crimes" on the crime list here were 2 "domestics" and 1 anti social behaviour-which could be anything but was probably a couple of teens kicking off.
    the last real crime we had here was about 10 years ago when a gang ripped the ATM out of the bank branch using a stolen fork lift and digger at 4 o'clock in the morning( the bank branch and the ATM no longer exist) where did the gang come from did I hear you ask?? surprise, surprise they came from the Midlands!!! LOL.
    this is the kind of place where everyone knows everyone else, they know where you live and where you work, and strangers stand out a mile.
     
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    Since I keep firearms at home the police always respond very quickly, even when it was only an attempted crime and no actual theft was committed. They don't want firearms falling into the wrong hands. Getting an FAC is a great way to upgrade your local plod's response time :D.
     
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    I doubt anywhere is crime free, but certain areas do have vastly more than others. Does the per capita rate change? Not by much, as it happens. Certainly when one looks at the cities in the UK the serious crime rate appears much higher overall. I am mindful of the London stabbing epidemic (I pleased to sat that I've managed to use that word without bringing covid into things ;) ) where, as far as I am aware, the murder total for knife stabbings is now higher than for the whole of last year which, despite lockdowns, was higher than the year before.

    When we look at crime in rural areas it often tends to be low level or agricultural crime. I am, however, mindful in writing this that I am only half a mile from one of the UK's more notorious unsolved murders.
     
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    appararently the most burgled place in the UK is Sheffield and most of the others are all "Oop North", Liverpool, Bradford etc.
    Yorkshire being the most burgled county.
     
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    That's interesting, I'd have taken a stab (no pun intended) at Birmingham/Black Country or London.
     
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    yes they are on the list but further down, Sheffield is top of the list.
    according to the Met Police Federation 82% of burglaries go unsolved, wouldnt be surprised if that goes for other sorts of crimes too.
    fewer than 8% of crimes were solved in 2018-2019 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49986849
     
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    It is shocking how few crimes are solved. When one considers the current surveillance society you would think it might be higher.
     
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    I think its all down to over population and the Police numbers have been reducing year on year for the last decade.
    there are more criminals but less Police, they closed all the rural stations so they could concentrate numbers in the larger urban centres and the big cities, kind of makes sense when you think about it, not much crime out here in the sticks.
     
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    You may be low on certain crimes,but it seems you have a lot of perverts down there!
    Found that on my smartphone ( the one that spies on me) https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/number-devon-cornwall-sex-offenders-3489326
    As my police officer daughter said: there’s always crimes being committed,but what would she know? Just because you,personally,have not been a victim,it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
    Whilst it seems you are in a low crime area,there are some anomalies.Namely alcohol abuse and a LOT of domestic violence. Not that perfect mate. https://devonandcornwall.s3.amazonaws.com/Documents/DC Crime Profile_Panel_9 July 2021.pdf

    oh yes,all those perverts down there- keep your back to the wall- mate! Ha ha.
     
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    Alcohol abuse in the West Country - surely not :D:D:D I'm staggering off to the pub now ;)
     
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