where do you see yourself?

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  1. lonewolf

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    okay, so the brown sticky stuff has hit the rotating blades.
    there is little or no food in the shops, no deliveries for the foreseeable future, the filling stations are empty, the power is off, the mains water is working on back up power-for the moment, sewage the same.
    where do you see yourself in:
    6 days?
    6 weeks?
    6 months?
    1 year?
    where will you be? what will you be doing?
     
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  2. Keith H.

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    We will be here in the forest doing much the same as we are doing now, except we would be implementing more security measures. These are already planned for such a situation. We have reasons for not implementing these measures now, but they will not take long when/if the time comes.
    Good post mate [​IMG] I look forward to reading more replies.
    Keith.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    yes, I don't suppose your life will change that much Keith. if I lived in the forest I don't think my life would change much as i'd already be living that life.
    I was thinking more about the majority who live in an urban environment.
     
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  4. Arkane

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    Very little will change for me!
    I am in process of disengaging from society, when complete I may not even know when TSHHTF!
     
  5. lonewolf

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    I removed myself from society a long time ago but i'll still know when TSHTF.
     
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  6. Arkane

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    I intend to be mobile so at times I maybe 1,000km or more from the nearest human!
    Closer to stuff in orbit than on terra firma! hows that for isolated!
     
  7. lonewolf

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    I've bumped this to see if we can have some alternative views.
     
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  8. Tom Williams

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    Im not going anywhere i will hold mine
     
  9. lonewolf

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    sure you will, but what will you be doing? after 6 days post shtf? 6 weeks? 6 months? a year? how will you sustain life without any main services, shops, power, no fuel?
     
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  10. lonewolf

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    I want some replies from people who live in urban areas not people who have already moved out and started a farm.
    or have they all left this forum already?
    if so then I am flogging a deceased equine.
     
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  11. Tom Williams

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    I be ok solar wind for power im off grid 100% already have good water food sources we worked hard for this life will go on here
     
  12. Arkane

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    I am currently urban as duty calls!
    Gone soon as duty is done!
     
  13. lonewolf

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    the lack of responses to this thread sort of speaks volumes. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  14. Tom Williams

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    summer time people busy with kids work vacations the attitude of its not going to happen today. The unprepared uninformed mass will die
     
  15. Keith H.

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    Not much response to any posts at present, so it may pick up later on.
    Keith.
     
  16. Arkane

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    I only have will dos at present not have dones!

    My short term plan is to be in a large RV with a lot of supplies, solar power iron batteries etc!
    With a small solar powered auxillery drive for the RV I expect to be fully self sufficient including fuel for several years!

    So barring a deadly encounter that I fail at I expect little to change bar the seasons and my age!
    Being mobile when needed I should be able to be not in the wrong place at the wrong time and Australia is a very large place now
    and will get so very much larger after!
     
  17. lonewolf

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    over here its the school summer holidays, 6 weeks of which a week or so is already gone, forums are always quiet this time of year.
    I was hoping for more of a response though, as this is a very important topic. if I say so myself:D
     
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    middle of winter here! it gets down to 10c at night and about 24c in the early arvo's!
    had to get the woolly socks out and the jumper!
    Our big school holiday is mid December through to end of jan! peak bikini season.
     
  19. lonewolf

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    yeah I remember my uncle visiting his son/my cousin and having Christmas dinner on the beach.
     
  20. Arkane

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    Yep sun, sand, surf, bikinis and a good feed of king prawns washed down with a chilled drink or two, followed by a dip to cool off!
    Hard to beat a day in paradise! just don't get sunburnt!:oops::eek:
     
  21. lonewolf

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    no chance of that in England.
     
  22. Arkane

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    Yes you can! but you really have to try hard.
    My sister was over there some years back at a friends country house near worthing mid july and after falling asleep in the bath until it went cold she dried off and went out to the sundeck
    and promptly fell asleep on the banana chair right through lunch to mid arvo woke up again from the jetlag had dinner went to bed
    All good until she woke up next morning:eek: been joking about it for decades!
     
  23. lonewolf

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    I live in North Devon, on the edge of Dartmoor, our normal weather is rain and lots of it, we don't get snow.
    our weather patterns seem to have changed, i remember blazing hot summers when i was younger, these days we don't get 2 days in a row the same.
    anyway we are getting way off topic.
     
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    (bump).
     
  25. Mekada

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    I guess if something horrible was too go down in our town/ country i would first grab my bug out bag and then check up on my family and get most of them in one place. It would be horrible to try and defend people all over the place. Then I would find a secure location where we can hide from the initial chaos. If we can survive 1 or 2 days without being discovered then we can formulate the next move.

    As i type this i know that even this would be a monumental task as no one in my family believes prepping necessary or training relevant. Furthermore being removed from the comforts of their daily lives might induce a sudden shock to them and keeping them quiet will prove challenging. Getting them to move in unison and swiftly through dangerous situations will also not be easy.

    Further than that I cannot say as there is too many variables. My bug out bag is only for one and should i have to help 8 people it won't last long. Additionally both my grandmother and aunt are rather old and not that mobile so that also adds to the problem. Both of them rely rather heavily on medicine so that is also a concern.

    And that is only for 2 days, beyond those i fear that things will get far worse IF we survive that long...
     
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    I find it strange that someone who lives in South Africa has a family that believes prepping is unnecessary !!o_O
    I would have thought it came with the territory, I mean look what happened to folks in Zimbabwe!! that should give someone at least a hint.
     
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    It is strange. But that is who they are. My brother is an IT specialist and a gamer who believes everything that you need to know about combat is to be found in the Call of Duty game series. My mother believes that God will never allow something like that to happen and the rest either think that I am paranoid or say that they refuse to live in fear. I wish that I could shake them to wake the hell up as when it inevitably happens they will all be a liability.
     
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  28. lonewolf

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    my family is no different, wife is with me on the prepping even down to what to do next, but the rest of her family( my family is deceased apart from a couple of cousins) are all "head in the sand" types, brother in law is a financial advisor("i'm too busy, I've got a business to run, you know") and step daughter is a busy teacher and is continually on her "hamster wheel" as she calls modern life. so no takers there, which goes for about 99% of the British population too.
     
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  29. Mekada

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    As a more experienced prepper is there any way of helping them see the light? The "i told you so" moment won't help anyone after it is too late. The writing is on the wall and its but a matter of time before the same thing that happened to Rhodesia happens to us.
     
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    I have a couple of friends in the UK and although it is far from perfect they will never return. They are slowly trying to get their loved ones out.
     
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  31. Keith H.

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    The only thing I can think of would be for you to keep track of the situation in South Africa as a whole, & keep your family informed. They may ignore the "build up", but on the other hand it may start them thinking about it.
    Keith.
     
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    Thanks Keith. We actually had an argument about 2 weeks ago about crime and the brutality of it. They hated it and said that it wasn't proper dinner conversation. This was a day before I got stabbed in the street. Even this didn't seem to have a lasting effect as this weekend when i brought up the recent farm murder statistics they reacted in a "not this again" kind of way.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    nope, most people here are the same "it'll never happen, the govt will save us" seems to be the prevailing motto.
    as for our relatives, I have tried to steer them the right way, starting with a "stash" of food and water, but to no avail, they wont listen, brother in law is even more focused on his work, there isn't a scrap of food in the house, and although step daughter keeps some food in the house its only the normal 3 days worth that most people keep, there is a supermarket a short drive away.
     
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    they really don't want to know do they? strange, seeing as how it was a member of their family that got stabbed, real "heads in the sand" at work here.
     
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    I find it very sad that society puts such faith in the government. They don't care about the people they are sworn to protect. I will continue to try to persuade them but I don't think that it will help. It seems like this is a problem that many preppers and survivalists face. I have often wondered what makes us different... Is it the experiences of life or a genetic trait...
     
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  36. Arkane

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    Don't bother trying to convert them, don't even mention it to them! the harder you try the less success you will have! All you can reasonably do is have a few extra cheap backpacks stacked with food and a few other items including small two way radios! hand these out to any last minute converts or use them yourself!
     
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  37. Keith H.

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    For me, it is past experiences & seeing what is happening in other countries, like West Papua for instance. You are totally correct re the government, they are not for the people, quite the reverse.
    Keith.
     
  38. lonewolf

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    in my opinion, it will be the government(any government) which will cause THE event to happen, anyone who is not prepared-even in a small way- will probably fail.
    serious preppers and survivalists tend to be a bit older, they have had a lifetimes experience and know that if something can go wrong it will go wrong.
    many of the younger preppers in my country only prep for very short term events, power cuts, trade union strikes, transport delays, a few days maybe a week at most, then its back to "normal" or so they think. see my piece on long term survival.
     
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  39. Keith H.

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    Totally agree, the government is the enemy within. Why they are doing what they are doing here in Australia I really can not fathom, but it must profit the government in some way. Is it just about wealth? Making money? Or is there something I am missing?
    Keith.
     
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    Additional bug out bags are a great idea. But do you pack them the same way or add some variation to deal with different situations? I have to try as i would feel terrible if something happens to them and I could have done something about it.

    I don't trust governments at all. I don't feel safe when the police are near and I don't trust them either. I have seen so many instances of people being failed by the government that to me it is a no brainer. I guess that everyone probably has there own reasons embracing survivalism.
     
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    I am sorry to say but this entitled generation of mine has been twisted and corrupted that most are beyond any reason. It has often been found that the government, not only orchestrated some events, but even provided confiscated weapons for farm murders. There are many allegations on the underhanded dealings of the ANC government some even claiming that they can murder with impunity.

     
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    in a few years(say 5) we wont see a police man in this country outside of the big cities, i haven't even seen a policeman to talk to face to face for about 10-15 years, we see a squad car flying through from time to time but they don't stop, i live in a rural area which is relatively crime free.
     
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    In a perfect world there won't be the need for any police at all. It's because people have no tolerance or respect for one another that there is a need for these "overseers".
     
  44. Keith H.

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    I don't expect to ever have to leave our forest home. We have a good set-up here & everything we need off the grid. But I put together family bug-out bags anyway, just in case. Size wise I added more to those I know are strong enough to carry it. Equipment wise I shared out what I had spare making sure everyone has the essentials, medical, knives, flint & steel fire lighting kits, fishing tackle etc. There are enough guns & bows to go round, some modern firearms for defence only, & some flintlocks for long term wilderness survival. One of my daughter-in-laws is a nurse, so she will be in charge of the bulk of the medical supplies.
    Food stuffs we keep in the pantry, a good supply of dry foods. This can be shared out along with what family members have themselves when/if the time comes. There is at least one water canteen per person, but those that can carry more can use plastic drink bottles. Fortunately my sons were born in the bush & I have taught them many of the skills that I have. Membership in our 18th century living history group has also taught them a lot about survival. Group members that are also close friends are also trained & equipped & will be joining us here if it all hits the fan.
    Keith.
     
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    at one time a long time ago, police only had to deal with "career" criminals, now its very different, no body has any respect for anything, from littering, to mobile phone use while driving a car, to burglary and beyond. respect has gone out of the window.
    once that happens, I don't believe the collapse of society is very far away, I know most people would poo-poo this statement, but I believe its a case of WHEN not if.
     
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    Those are some great insights. I set up mine in a similar fashion except for the fishing tackle. I made a poin to choose a strong bag, but one that doesn't scream military or I have great stuff to a would be robber. I have never even fired a flintlock rifle but they sure are beautiful. I do have a high velocity pellet gun though and he should take care of foul, rabbits and small game... As for their bags i will try to balance it as best I can.
     
  47. Mekada

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    I too remember when we were younger, things were much safer and cheaper.
     
  48. lonewolf

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    I think its all down to numbers, there are just too many people these days, that's why there is so much aggro in cities, they build houses without a cigarette paper in between, it seems, in the new housing estates( why are they always "executive homes"...just how many executives are there?) if you haven't got any breathing space and people are "cheek by jowl" then trouble will erupt. i'm glad I live out in the countryside in the far south west of England. once you get past Dorset "Suburbia" begins and it gets worse the further east you go, wife has just returned from visiting a 90 year old uncle in Kent( commuting distance to London) and she said its horrendous, nose to tail traffic and motorways everywhere.
     
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    Where I live, in what would probably be considered a medium sized town, it's no different. I was viewing photos of how Potchefstroom looked more than a hundred years ago and I was shocked.

    Today it's a academic hub with a fine university and a number of other institutions. This in turn led to the massive amounts of development in the last few years.Ten years ago there weren't many apparent complexes, in fact it still had small town feeling of the old houses from the early 20th century. Now the few that are left are considered monuments and can't be modified in any way, just repaired. Everywhere is student accommodation that is hastily erected and rented out at exorbitant amounts.

    Interestingly enough Potchefstroom played a pivotal role in the early days of South Africa. There are hotels built to house King George Rex, Lord Kitchener had an estate here. There is an old fort used by the British here during the Anglo-Boer war. Many of the presidents use to live here as well. Modernization has not been kind to this town as its lost most of its charm.

    My grandfather always use to say that all that a man needs to be happy is a loving wife and a green life. I never understood what he meant until it turned 18 and asked him. He said that in his entire life he was never as happy as when he was outdoors in the fields or when he was with the animals. Funny how a few years can change so many things.
     
  50. lonewolf

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    I know what your grandfather meant, I was bought up in a city (a small one compared to most), then moved to a medium sized town, and then to here- a small remote market town in the middle of the countryside, I know where i'd rather be..........HERE! but then I've always been a country boy at heart (boy scout back along) mothers parents were farmers.
     
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