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Discussion in 'What do you believe? Predictions?' started by omegaman, Jul 15, 2017.

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  1. omegaman

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    I beleive in a global conflict ending in a nuclear war between the countries holding such weapons.
    I beleive North Korea will be the one sparking the situation and the remains of IS will play a major role in the development.
    Russia will want to watch the west being destroyed but will be pulled into the conflict.
    I beleive a good portion of humanity will be destroyed within ten years.
    I hope I am wrong.
     
  2. Ystranc

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    I hope you're wrong as well but we hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Many non survivalists suspect us of wanting the world order to fall in order to reset our society so I tend to emphasize that this is not the case as far as I am concerned.
    For my part I have no predictions about how things will go bad, all I can do is improve my odds of survival, no guarantees.
     
  3. lonewolf

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    i believe a major reset of the worlds population is not only coming it is desireable or else we will outgrow the earths resources which in turn will lead to mass starvation.
    the ones that can plan for this may survive, the ones that ignore it and say "it'll never happen" will go the way of the dinosaur and the do-do.
     
  4. GS AutoTech

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    I tend to lean on a social / economic failure or collapse.
     
  5. Deathisue

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    It is very possible that this happens because the unwise that became korea of the north, but I doubt that we will reach that end, no one will win that war and we will all be affected, so it does not make any sense to reach that point.
     
  6. Jameson

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    It is observable that there has been a lot of tension around the major powers that we have on this world.However, even in the midst of all this tension, I do not believe that there is a possible outbreak of a war. There could be a breakdown of social and economic ties, but not one that would eventually lead to a war.
     
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  7. remnant

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    Forget about WW3 the nuclear deterrent of today is much more powerful than during the Cold War. Whats likely to happen is sure brinkmanship involving conventional armies like in the South China Sea but with a common undertanding not to breach the red line. The Rapture and the subsequent Great Tribulation is what to watch out for.
     
  8. TexDanm

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    I'm beginning to think that we are just, as a people, become to stupid to support the level of technology that we have. If we stumble we will fall all the way to the pits and have to start all over again after a few generations of survival of the fittest has again made us fit to rule.

    Understand this, almost nobody now knows much of ANYTHING that would be of use in a post apocalyptic world. Instead of learning math we have taught our children how to run a calculator. Real cooking is almost a lost art and nobody less than 60 has ever canned food in serious quantities. Now our kids eat fast food and microwave stuff. Does ANYONE sew now? My Mom made nearly all of her own clothes and my wife's Mom made her wedding dress.

    My point is that just one generation ago if the power have gone down there would have been enough people that remembered the old ways to help get things going again without a near 90% death rate. One more generation into the future and you won't even have people like me that had experienced most of it as a sort of hobby if not a way of life.

    When the shelves become empty there will be no people that will know how to start it again without doing it from the bottom up. Not only are their not the people, we don't even have the tools to try. We can't go back to a world like the late 1800s!! There aren't any draft horses, mules or oxen. We will be working the fields as people haven't done in many thousands of years. Even if someone had animals where will they find harness makers or even the leather for harness'? If you find that where will you find plows that they can pull? At the best, agriculturally we will be about like the native Americans when the first white men landed in North America. That sort of hand to mouth farming doesn't support a very large population by today's standard.

    Sadly I see this as about our only hope. Other wise if the fall comes too far down the way we will be just too stupid and so become just another extinct species.
     
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  9. lonewolf

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    if you have a world where everyone relies totally on technology for their daily needs, when that technology fails-as it will- then the mortality rate will be high.
    every civilisation there has ever been has collapsed eventually, ours will too we are not exempt , we just have further to fall, its just that in the past the "technology" was so simple the survivors could access their daily needs by their own physical labour and just wait for "civilisation" to reassert itself no matter how long that took, we have come so far now that this just isn't possible .
    any collapse now and we will have to revert to a pre industrialisation lifestyle where everything is done by hand, labour intensive and very time consuming, and how many people these days are capable or even willing to do that?
     
  10. I.survive

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    Ww3 is a possibility imo just like anything we prep for if we didn’t see it as a possibility why we prep is under question! Nuclear weapons was introduced to the world as peace keeping tools. Yet war still happens ? There more like threats ! North korea is an unpredictable country so we and government leaders must see them as a threat.

    As for technology. Personally I can’t see technology failing as it’s progressing to much. Using technology and hating it seems rather hypocritical. We could say if the power went out then there’s no technology? Sadly this is not true .technology has progressed past power plants to re-usable energy ie SOLAR! and it’s only a matter of time before SOLAR power plants are in every corner of this planet (only my opinion)

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  11. Old Geezer

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    And then arises the phrase "a perfect storm". I am a grandfather and decidedly wish not to use that phrase. Yet I am unable to look forward in time and not witness black and roiling clouds.

    I fear a future wherein WWIII is but one component.

    Revelation 6 King James Version
    6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

    2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

    4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

    5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

    6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

    8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
     
  12. watcherchris

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    Come on lonewolf...this is like dumber than dirt..and it is also textbook of todays Public education....thinking ..meaning a television and movie education.

    For those who know...outside of doom and gloom..and television and movies...what made much of todays food supplies possible is the application of the internal combustion engine to farming.

    And not only in farming...but in transportation....the ability to ship and transship such goods and commodities to manufacturers/processors and to marketplaces.

    Oil...petroleum products.

    Someone out here has been lying to the world about how much oil is out there since before WW1....yes...that long. Once the price got up high enough there was plenty of oil. The trick today is how to keep the oil off the marketplace and the prices up.
    I knew when the second Iraq war happened that we would not be allowing any of that oil to come to America and lower prices...just like they did not want or allow any of that Alaska oil to come to the continental USA and lower prices.

    Oil was found on and off shore in Vietnam. The war was a cover for finding and developing that oil field/area....and once it was all found...they capped it off and turned the whole country over to the Communists for the purpose of keeping the oil a secret and also keeping competitors out. The Communists are way to stupid to develop the oil fields...that has to be done by western nations...then to keep it off the marketplace and competitors out ...a Communist government is put there to keep those not in the controlled/rigged oil marketplace...out of these nations.
    The Communists are perfect economically for putting an entire nation into storage and the resources out of the marketplace.

    This is also how Radical Islam functions in many of these nations ..to keep competitors out and the recources off the marketplace. Radical Islam has replaced Communism to control many nations and their resources...to keep it off the marketplace and competitors out.

    It is the loss of oil which will bring about starvation of the world quickly.
    And don't you think for one minute that someone would not try to control this marketplace as well...oil resources..even if it means starvation for millions. But there is no shortage of oil out here.
    There is a starvation of OIL thinking going on out here.



    You guys are worried about nuclear war....I believe you are looking the wrong way...not at North Korea....but instead look at Israel.


    Some of you had better find out what is the Israel Nuclear plan called "The Sampson Option."

    Once you find out what this is ...you realize what a lying deceitful demonic government you have ..and the media too for keeping this away from the knowledge of the American People. Our own government is hiding from us the true nature of the Sampson Option.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option


    Someone out here on the American side has been seriously playing Americans for their ignorance and in keeping us ignorant.
    The phonies, liars, and deceivers are here...in our own government....and have been for many many years.


    There was a time many years ago when I worked in the construction of submarines....Boomers as well as fast attacks.

    In those early 688 class fast attack boats there was outboard of the load line a torpedo storage area...and in this area there was a special set of shieling which pinned and unpinned from the ceiling. We used to install this shielding.
    Now why would you need shielding around a torpedo????


    Boomer boats were a bit of a different kind of creature..different mission. I rode up and down in those big missile tubes many a time. I still know how a lot of those systems work.

    NO...I am not so worried about Korea....I am more worried about bad leadership on our side and in particular with the last President and those he installed in government who are still there.

    Any of you have any concept of how many submarines we have within striking range of North Korea and China right now??

    Do you not realize for how long someone here in America devised battle plans to strike the Three Rivers Gorges dams in China....and have had these plans ready for years and years now to put them totally out of commission.

    In case some of you are living in dream land.......Disney World....we have in file folders ..plans to shut down Canada...overthrow their government....Mexico too. These plans have been in files for years and years now.

    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
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  13. watcherchris

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    While I was stationed in Keflavik, Iceland in 1973...the Israeli Yom Kippur War broke out and the Israelis were hard pressed to hold their own as this was a Hebrew Holiday. Many of their military people were on leave and the Arabs struck hard and fast and were surrounding Israel and tightening the circle and quickly. The Israelis lost many many aircraft to the newer generation of Sam Anti Aircraft missiles that the Arabs were then fielding.

    The Israelis were removing their nuclear weapons and getting them ready to apply "The Sampson Option " should they be unable to stop the Arab attack.
    They were going to bring their enemies in close...as did Sampson and bring the roof down on everyone..including themselves...again as did Sampson. I do not believe on the part of the Israelis that this is a bluff. They will not be going into the camps again.....it isn't happening.
    I even think that with today's technology it is even more than this...much much more and even frightening...beyond belief.

    I believe that if the Israelis are going down ...they will settle even some olde and ancient scores. But one would have to know some history to understand this. And history for most of us is a very poorly taught topic.

    If they are going down for the last count...who cares what the rest of the world thinks???

    In Iceland...we were preparing for the arrival of what, back then, was the latest model of the Phantom Jet fighter from the assembly lines at McDonald Douglas...the F4E models. Brand new planes..and we had already received our mock up facilities and the tech manuals and were in the process of setting them up and doing check outs on this equipment in readiness for the arrival of our new aircraft.

    Overnight we were told to pack up our mockups and get them ready to ship out...tech manuals ..everything.....they were going to Israel.

    When we finally got replacement aircraft...they were 10 year olde Phamtoms...older models...from a training base in the western part of the States.

    That is how important it was for Then Richard Nixon to prevent Israel from going nuclear. America made do with second and third class equipment and Israel got our first class gear.


    For those of you who do not know....Iceland and Alaska were the most active air intercept areas we had to catch the Soviets flying down the slot to Cuba. On the other side of the world it was Alaska.

    It was years before those ten year olde Phantoms were replaced by F 15s.

    No one knows Richard Nixon for preventing Nuclear War...only for the Watergate business.

    This is how badly Americans have been scammed about history....scammed by the whoredom of Politics.

    And this very political scam is still going on today...right now...today...and .by the same whores in politics.


    My .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  14. Hick Industries

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    I found it very difficult to understand the Book of Relevations the first time I read it. While I believe it is truly inspired work, it is also written 2,000 yrs ago, by a person prosecuted by the Roman Empire.

    Folks truly interested in this prophesy should track down an old copy of Halleys Bible Handbook (written while Henry Halley was alive) and put this important work into historical perspective.
    https://www.ebay.com/p/Halleys-Bibl...m=254152307586&_trksid=p2349526.c100855.m4779
     
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  15. TexDanm

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    I've always figured that John needed to leave the mushrooms in the camel poop alone!! My one and ONLY experience with psilocybin mushrooms, when I was a stupid kid, was a lot like this. It scared the crud out of me and permanently ended my interest in things that turn the world inside out!
     
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    We're lucky here where we are as there is a heavy populace of Amish and Mennonites. Though even many of them use modern equipment and products they still are close to a lot of the old ways. Now the Mennonites tend to be a bit more modern though it varies on which sect they are from - for example they'll replace the tires on their brand new tractors and other equipment with metal wheels but many still use horse and buggies or bicycles to get around. Many also still keep draft horses and even have old school horse draw equipment around though mainly that is more of an Amish thing. There are a lot of places around here that cater to them (often they are Mennonite owned) and build equipment for them or have parts or items they use. For example, there is a shop about a mile from me the builds horse drawn wagons and buggies for the Amish and the Mennonites which is owned by a Mennonite gentleman who also has a huge greenhouse/ nursery that is a huge source locally for veg plant starts, fruit trees and then all the decorative plants and trees too..

    Overall I think people who live in rural Ag areas will be able to fair a little better than other places. At least there are resources there and possibly unskilled people can exchange work for things like food. Others will be able to barter and exchange with neighbors. Many rural farm areas still have lots of old school equipment around and some in better than new condition from being someones hobbies. Around here there are a lot of people with old school tractors and farm equipment collections, hit and miss engines, steam engines, old trucks and heavy equipment, etc... and much of the modern equipment that is around could be repurposed into other uses; say pulling plow heads off a 12 bottom plow to be made into single horse/ person drawn plows. Lots of old equipment that would need refurbed is just sitting around as lawn ornaments or hanging in antique shops, restaurants or museums if people have their eyes open and know where to look.
     
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  17. Brownbear

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    I suspect WW3 has already started, as the "war on terror" is already a global phenomenon. I think we are also in the era of "oil wars" and as the world's population grows we will enter into the era of "water wars".

    I certainly feel the nature of warfare will change from traditional air strike/ground support/territory gain into something more hi-tech.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    nobody wins in a nuclear war, we all lose, we just end up with a dead planet and most nuclear powers know it.
     
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    By certain writers and researchers ..this is called "A Resource War" and it has been going on since WW1 with the list of resources growing.

    Yes ..potable water is rapidly becoming one of the valuable resources.


    This is what Kadaffi was doing for Libya....drilling deep water wells and building reservoirs/lakes and becoming water independent.

    NO wonder the world powers had to get rid of him. He would have shown the rest of Africa how to do this...and become independent...in many things....in particular independent from the world banks.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  20. TMT Tactical

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    When the cost of water gets high enough, then desalination plants become viable, and the raising ocean become a added resource. Never in all the history of mankind, have we EVER run out of any natural resource. Not once. When one resource (surface and and underground water) becomes scarce, then they will pump out the see water and extract minerals and other items, along with the water. Cost is the driving factor.
     
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    TMT: I agree with you there. Cost is definitely the over riding factor.

    I have always wondered why we as a country are so incredibly wasteful of our natural resources. We will spend Billions of dollars on flood relief to one area, and billions more on drought relief in another. Wouldn't it make more sense to pump that excess water to the areas that need it? Wouldn't those billions be better spent by utilizing what we have? Not just fixing what is broken after the fact? You wouldn't even have to disrupt the natural watershed. Just pipe off the excess, so it doesn't damage anything. Seems very basic to me. It all comes down to money. If we can pump oil across Alaska we can pump water from the Mississippi River to the Oglala aquifer.

    We should take a page from the Israeli book on how to manage water. They have made the desert livable for millions of people. Most people don't know that Israel actually exports water and water technology. Both India and China have contracted with the Israeli's on water management.
     
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    Morgan101, I have often wondered the very same thing. Year after year we rebuild after floods but never build the aqueducts and pump stations to divert these flood waters. Want to bet it has something to do with environmentalist blocking the concept to save some fish, or rabbit or other critter.
     
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    I'm sure that is part of it. I know the tree huggers don't want any dams either, so we couldn't use it for anything sensible like hydro electric. Let's see anybody ever heard of Hydro Quebec? Multi billion $ company that is the fourth largest producer of Hydroelectric power in the world. Almost 20,000 employees. Among the lowest electrical rates in the world. Provide 10% of all power to the New England states. Paid over $2 Billion in dividends last year. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Clean energy creating lots of jobs. Why would anybody fight that?
     
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    TMT,
    I have to disagree with you on the word NEVER. I look at animals as natural resources and we've hunted things like passenger pigeons to extinction and things like the buffalo to near extinction. I'm sure there are plenty of other species that used to be resources that we've eradicated. Those are natural resources we'll never get back. Chestnut trees are another thing, they to be a huge portion of the American economy and diet and thru the blight coupled with an asinine management plan of 'cut them all down to keep it from spreading' that massive resource was forever destroyed. Lastly look at our water, though not "ran out of" yet, in more and more places we're running out of potable/ drinkable water thru contamination. Whether that is due to heavy metals, fertilizers, sewage, livestock run off etc... we find ways to destroy the one thing critical to all life on this planet. Look what we've done to the Great Lakes in large portion with pollution which has made the water less than ideal and destroyed the fish there or made it to the point it can only be used in very limited quantities.


    Morg,
    I mentioned in one of the other threads that with simple land features we could ensure all around the world that more water ended up in the ground rather than runoff. One thing I wonder is on all this talk about the oceans rising due to global warming maybe instead it has more to do with the amounts we have extracted from underground and deep aquifers that then due to our poor water management ends up on the surface and not going back in the ground to recharge the aquifer. If you look at all the places with desertification that is also huge amounts of land mass that no longer holds water, destroyed soils no longer act like the sponge they are to be. Just a theory on my part.
     
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  25. TMT Tactical

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    CountryGuy. I should have been more explicit: We have never run out of any Natural Energy source. As for exterminating critters yeas but I don't know if any of them qualify as a National Resource. The buffalo was not exterminated but if the environmentalist get their way, they will end up extinct along with any other critters that farts or urinates. Save us for methane and ammonia.

    The water should be properly managed but it won't be until it gets to expensive.
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    I tell you what we will run out of, usable growing land, all this mono cropping, growing the same thing year after year in the same place is only possible by the high use of chemicals, fertilisers and herbicides and weed killers, remove those chemicals(wont be available post SHTF they are all imported over here) and the ground becomes infertile, it will take many many years, decades probably maybe longer to bring them back into use using natural fertilisers and a lot of hard manual labour.
     
  27. CountryGuy

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    Spot on! The sad part is that there are a lot of options and methods out there today on how to rebuild soil fertility and massive turnarounds can happen in a few short years. Problems are that the farmers aren't shown it or they're scared into believeing they can't be successful without all the chemicals... they're hooked on their drug dealers... I find it insane that big pharma and big ag are one in the same and people don't connect the dots. Oh sure they yell about evil Monsanto, but how many know that Monsanto was bought out by Bayer...

    Farmers are treated just like a patient. The money isn't in curing the patients disease, the money is in maintenance and keeping everyone on life long drug treatments. They don't want you cured, they want you beholding to them for the next pill. Look at most farmers and it's the same pattern. Don't teach (cure) them sustainable methods, how to build soil and fertility, how to reduce water usage and runoff; heck no. Instead get them to turn their soil into infertile dirt where the only way they can grow anything other than pioneering weeds (nature trying to heal herself) is to spray everything with Roundup, then plant genetically modified seed that is full of round up and all kinds of genetic matter that will not reproduce while you soak the ground in fertilizer. Once things start growing, spray it again to keep the weeds out, oh and dump tens of thousands of gallons of water on the fields to irrigate. Then go buy a specialty $500K+ piece of equipment to cut down the miles of poisoned mono crop that you make barely enough money on to pay what you owe to your drug dealer for this years crop so they'll give you credit to buy the next wonder chemical or seed next year. A huge portion of a farmers money goes to seed, chemical and equipment companies. With the way the small farms are closing up and the reducing profits of even mega farms, how long is it going to take until the drug dealers realize they've killed all their customers.

    Everyone of us needs to learn and actively grow food, not just a garden or containers but food forests. We need to plant fruit and nut trees, edible perennials and even annuals that can reseed them selves and spread.
     
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