I do not like weapons ... Nevertheless, I would like to write about the misconceptions that are present in American forums ... People are trying to buy a "real Kalashnikov assault rifle" ... But such a machine can only be bought by terrorists I'll prove it to you ... ========================================== 1. Kalashnikov 7.62, invented in Russia, Udmurt Kalashnikov and was produced in the city of Izhevsk - the capital of the Udmurt Republic in the USSR ... The delivery of such a machine was allowed in the USSR to "maintain socialism in fraternal countries" ... Do you know these lines? "A great weapon that shoots in any conditions, even in frost or heat ... You can fill it with sand, swim in the water, in the mud ... The machine will always fire!" All this is correct ... BUT... ========================================== 2. Since 1974, the Soviet Union produced Kalashnikov 5.45 !!! This machine was armed with the Soviet Army since 1974 They are still being used in local conflicts. Modern Russia uses only 5.45 -------------------- You see how wrong you are ... =========================================== NOW AMERICANS, SEE HOW YOU ARE TRYING ... America said it was giving a ban to supply weapons from Russia .. What does this mean: 1.America said it does not allow the delivery of a 5.45-caliber weapon from Russia ... 2. America was silent about the weapons of the caliber of 7.62 from Russia ... ======================= It's just awful... America equips its bandits with old Soviet weapons ... ================== Now I'll tell you how to distinguish "old Soviet weapons" from the new one in a branded way ...
At first: Production of AK in the Soviet Union: Marking, tabulation: If you do not have one, then you bought a "dirty weapon" that was in combat ... ---------------------------------------- Look (Russian language): http://www.ak-info.ru/joomla/index.php/uses/12-spravka/94-akmarkings ============================ Во-вторых.. Я надеюсь, что иностранцы никогда не будут покупать в России Боевое Оружие для личного пользования... Вы будете иметь проблемы со своим правительством.
Will we continue? I'll tell you about real Kalashnikov products that are allowed for export in Russia ... Legally ---------------------------- Therefore, they are allowed for import to other countries.,
I like weapons. I prefer the 7.62 caliber weapons much better than the various 5mm assault weapons no matter where they are made. The only Russian made weapon that I own is a 7.62 X54R Mosin Nagant. Good weapon. I'm not a big fan of the AK or AR type weapons for survival. "A great weapon that shoots in any conditions, even in frost or heat ... You can fill it with sand, swim in the water, in the mud ... The machine will always fire!" This is all true of the AK rifle. Just don't expect to hit much with it that is over a 100 yards away. The bullet has too short of a bearing surface to give it good stabilization and so it wanders. By design it is a close quarters spray and pray weapon.
The mosen nagant is a fine weapon/tool for what it was designed. It is a good shooter and I have seen a number of them shoot very well off the firing line at the gun club to which I belong. And I mean shoot well with iron sights...not glass. TexDanm is correct about the AK rifles....it is a short range tool...fine as long as you know what it is you have...and it's limits. I prefer the SKS rifle to the AK series. Also not that impressed with the AR series of rifles. I like my Mossberg Patrol rifle in .308 calibration.....so too my Enfield rifle made in Ishapore India...a bolt action. I chose the .308 caliber instead of the English .303 simply for logistics reasons. .308 ammo is all around and across the United States. You can find it everywhere....not so with the .303 British. There is nothing wrong with the performance of the .303 British round as long as you know what it is and how it performs. It is simply not as readily available as the .308 Winchester. Also like my 1903 Springfield Rifle...in 30.06 calibration and roll my own ammunition for this as well as the .308 caliber. If I want to shoot a lot....and quickly I use my Mossberg Pump 12 gauge with the proper fodder for the situation. This Mossberg pump is my primary go to tool around this property...for handling "Wildlife." Particularly Two Legged Wildlife. I also own an early model 7.7mm Japanese Arisaka..for which I roll my own ammo from 30.06 bass which is plentiful around here. Factory 7.7mm ammon is expensive and difficult to find...mostly at selected gun shops and only in small quantities. I can form my own just as easily and in larger quantities. This rifle is in good early war condition and still has the Emperor's Mum on it. It shoots well for as olde and ugly as it is. Most military rifles are not lookers. Gotta run now...catch up with the boards later, Watcherchris
DemaOpolo, We are talking about a number of rifles...including the AK 47. The AK47 and also the AK 74 is a fine rifle for what it is designed but I do not care for them all that much. The rifle I like better is the Simonov SKS rifle. I have also come to respect the very Olde Mosen Nagant rifle which has been around for since before World War 1...I believe it is in caliber 7.62 x 54mm The 7.62 x 54 mm ammunition in a good Mosen Nagant is an excellent caliber in the hands of someone who knows how to use it ..and from long distances. As Olde a some of these Mosen Nagant rifles are ....I was surprised to learn how well they can shoot. The AR 15 is the very popular rifle here in America..but I am also not that favorable to it as I am in other rifles. I just like a good bolt action rifle...well made and capable of handling rough treatment. Also DemaOpolo...ammunition can get expensive. I do not like shooting a lot of semi auto rifles and making a lot of noise and not hitting any targets. This is why I like bolt action rifles or single shots. You learn to make your shots carefully. I also reload my own ammunition out in my garage. When you spend a lot of time reloading your cartridges ...you learn to make your bullets count. This is also the other reason I am not interested in a machinge gun....because I would be making my own ammunition for weeks and then shoot it up in a few minutes. That to me is ignorant....when you can learn to make your cartridges count and take your time in shooting. I hope this makes some kind of good sense. Thanks, Watcherchris.
Watcherchris. It is possible that this is a wrong translation, but the concept of "rifle" - ВИНТОВКА in Russian does not apply to the Kalashnikov rifle. This concept to Mosin's ВИНТОВКА ... I do not know the subject of ВИНТОВКА, since I used only the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which the "combat variant" has been produced in the USSR since 1974 only by the caliber of 5.45 ... Caliber 7.62 for a Kalashnikov rifle is manufactured by China or private firms, but not by the Government of Russia. This weapon is used by terrorists .. ------------- In addition, the moderator of this forum wrote that I troll ... I ask the Moderator to remove his message and apologize to me .. Otherwise HE can ban me, since I will not consider him an adequate person further ...
I ask the Moderator to remove his message and apologize to me .. Otherwise HE can ban me, since I will not consider him an adequate person further ... ----------- I'm waiting and there will be no more discussions...
DemaOpolo.. Thank you for your post. I am aware that the AK series of weapons was produced in different calibrations. In the olde days it was made in 7.62x 39m but has been greatly updated to 5.45x 39mm. I understand that . You are correct in that it is very difficult to find an AK 47 today which is manufactured in Russia. The one I have was made in Yugoslavia. I do not shoot it much as I prefer Bolt Action rifles....of which the Mosen Nagant is one of the oldest designs still here today and sold here in America. The 7.62 x54 mm cartridge around which the Mosen Nagant was designed is a powerful cartridge and can be found today here in America and is most certainly capable of taking any game on this continent. As I am given to understand the history ...this cartridge the 7.62 x54 mm also won several shooting competitions in years past and is still going strong today. A question for you DemaOpolo. As I am not fluent in Russian..I do not know what this word means?? ВИНТОВКА . Could you please give me a translation as to what is the correct meaning of ВИНТОВКА . As to the caliber 7.62 x 39 mm...only being used by Terrorists......I must disagree. The AK 47 in 7.62 x39 and also the AK 74 in 5.45mm have become popular here in America. They are less expensive than the also popular AR 15 series of rifles. Also the ammunition for both 7.62 x 39mm and the 5.45 x 39mm have become available here at very reasonable cost...which also has made these rifles popular in private hands....very affordable. I understand that many terrorists use the 7,62 x39 and in many countries....but I only state that they are not the only ones to use them. Both the AK 47 and Ak 74 are popular here in America. I have always thought that the 7.62 x39 mm cartridge would be very good in a bolt action rifle or a Shotgun with a rifle barrel over the top of it...in that same 7.62x 39mm cartridge...a shotgun rifle combination gun. My thanks for your post, Watcherchris
I believe that ВИНТОВКА basically means "Rifle" and refers to guns that have riflings to spin the bullet. I suspect that his declaration that the 7,62 X 39 is used only by terrorists is much the same as and American liberals belief that the GUN makes people do bad things. He has stated that he doesn't like guns and to me that is like saying you don't like hammers. You might not need one but why would you dislike an inanimate object. If I whacked someone in the head with a hammer it wouldn't make that hammer bad and for sure it wouldn't mean that hammers were only used by murderers.
LOL LOL LOL TExDanm, Ok...I see!!! I did not read or recognize his statement that he does not like guns....if so ..ok...no problem by me. He has that right to so believe...as well as state. I just am highly suspicious or our government who arms so many nations and people...sometimes for destabilization purposes....revolutionary purposes. And on the other hand they are suspicious of us owning a gun..I find that kind of conduct and or belief astonishing on the part of government and government people...the political party system. In particular I find astonishing the position of silence on the part of the so called...conservative Republicans on this.....SILENCE!! The Republican party should be aiding their members in how to think....for themselves if they are in fact conservatives. Once again demonstrating that they are not in fact conservatives. It just came to me one day ..out of the blue...that a government not trusting it's people with a gun is not a government which will ever trust it's people with a vote...the will rig the voting process as well. There is more to it but this will suffice for now. Thanks for your post, Watcherchris.
In the USA a problem has developed. Our Government has developed an us versus THEM mentality with us being our so called elected officials and THEM being the rest of the people. They no longer see themselves as truly a part of the people anymore. Their decisions are based on what is good for them and their PARTY with no concern at all for the good of the country or its people. We need to do away with professional politicians and only allow them one term so that they will have to live with the rules that they make and try to make a living in the real world.
TexDanm, I have thought this for many years now but vocalized it somewhat different. In this..."US versus Them" mindset...our government has begun, many years back, to look upon Americans as Economic Competitors who must be controlled and regulated as to how much they can consume. Over time this has morphed into controlling their minds and souls in order to control their consumption rates...and this is the reason for Americans needing to be "Herded." I suspect that public education, the media , our leaders, and even our Churches are in on the "Herding Scam" and working against individual liberty and the thinking which accompanies such Individual Liberty. Agree..in that it is today ..about the party..not about the people. I hope that with Trump in office that more and more people are catching onto the concept that the two parties are part and parcel of a Hegelian Dialectic....a management system by which to steer the people between two phony philosophies in leadership. They are both secretly working together ...against Americans..and thus quietly and secretly herding people ...left or right ..but in the long run...steadily to the left...always steadily to the left. We are in Truth Economic Competitiors against government excesses..and largess...via the phony two party system. This is why both parties dislike Trump and Company...and want to see him gone. My .02, Watcherchris.
