A lonewolf or in a wolf pack?

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  1. ProNine

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    Ok, so if a disaster were to take place in which society entirely crumbles beyond repair within any time soon, would become a lone wolf who wanders and survives on his own, or would you try to find a group in which you can join and survive along with? I personally am a person who just works better in anything on his own, and as such, I believe my survival rates would be higher and would other people at a lower risk considering my terrible collaboration skills. At the same time, I might feel disconnected from the rest of the world, especially after possibly losing beloved ones, and such, might try to find a new family whom I can relate to. What about you?
     
  2. Endure

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    Wolves survive in packs, such as humans. We are social species. But there are times that is better to be yourself rather than rely in someone else to fulfill an assigned task. I suggest for starters to survive by yourself until you develop something that needs collaboration to be more efficient, such as large scale farming or rebuilding. And is a general good suggestion to focus on yourself first and lend a hand or ask for help afterwards in our social environment, brainstorming for example, only works when everyone bring their own well defined ideas to the table by previous individual thought.
     
  3. iseeyou

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    Well, i don't think i'll fare better on my own than being part of a group. In situations like apocalypse, i think it's always better if you're in a group, they can protect you from random attackers, they can help you find food and whatnot. I'd probably go crazy if I'm all alone in a big bad scary world. Thinking about it makes me sad. lol. I don't think i'll survive at all.
     
  4. PracticalToby

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    Groups are the hardest, but the most practical solution. I suspect the grouping part of our nature will emerge pretty quickly under stress. What form that group will take is another matter. "Lord of the Flies" and "The Admirable Crighton" provide opposite scenarios in story form. Reading accounts of people's behaviour following natural disasters, it would appear that altruism and and a communist approach (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need) seems to emerge, though it usually has to battle with the inevitable profiteers.
     
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  5. lonewolf

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    definitely lone wolf, I don't work well with others, too many idiots, and its people who will cause us the most problem post SHTF.
     
  6. Arkane

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    I am either way, I can and have been the loner type but I can see the benefits of a group!
    The problem with groups is usually the basic setup and leadership!
    I would join a group but would need to check it out first before deciding!
    I would need to keep all my stuff and be free to leave anytime to even consider it!
    Tyrants despots and commies not tolerated well!
     
  7. Lisa Davis

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    This is a hard choice for me. I am not sure if I would want a whole pack, but one other person I think would be the most helpful. When you are paired with one other person, you have the ability to do some things that one person can't do as easily. At the same time, two people aren't as hard to feed or find shelter for as an entire group. Also, with a group, it seems like there is the potential for more conflict. Someone always wants to be the leader and people get unhappy and resent having to take care of the needs of other people in the group, particularly those that they feel don't contribute as much as they do. I don't think these types of conflicts arise as much when you are just with one other person.
     
  8. Valerie

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    Hmm. I've always been a loner, the weirdo that could entertain herself in any situation. I am definitely a lone wolf. Though I do function well in a group, I'm too headstrong to truckle to the dominance of another individual; so in an apocalyptic situation, where people would be vying for leadership or too panicked to think critically, I'm sure I'd only cause a ruckus. Better left alone. Not only am I a fighter, I know how to live sustainability and grow my own food. Pretty sure I'd be all right in my own post-apocalyptic corner of the world.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    I've been a loner most of my life.
    "dosent play well with others, and dosent suffer fools gladly":D
     
  10. Lisa

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    Definitely join a pack, there is strength in numbers and in a post apocalyptic world you'd need all the help you could get. Having said that I'm an extremely bossy person and I like getting my own way so I'd have to try and be the leader of the pack or I would end up going it alone out of spite!
     
  11. lonewolf

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    joining a group of strangers post event is certainly fraught with danger and liable to end in disaster.
    anyone who wants to be in a group should start their own NOW preferably with people they know and trust.
     
  12. Jea

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    I'm a lone wolf at heart so I would try to go it alone until I got too lonely. Then I would size up every group I would come across. I would analyze their group-think mentality and see if they had the necessary survival skills and more importantly if they're willing to learn what they lack. Then I would low key become their leader because I like being in control. But I would happily encourage suggestions.
     
  13. DecMikashimota

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    It all depends on how cohesive the pack is. Can you maintain your individuality and in any situation. How stealthily is your pack able to move in events that require it? Until I can meet with a pack of people that are still very strong on their own then I will choose the life of a lone wolf.
     
  14. My3Sons_NJ

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    There is one major advantage of being in a "wolf pack" and that is when you are hit by serious adversity in the form of illness or injury which renders you relatively incapacitated for a period of time. It could not be a permanent condition since you would be a sink on the group and ultimately drag them down but for a temporary condition such as a broken/severely sprain ankle, a broken arm, the flu or something along those lines, it would be very helpful to be part of a pack as the other members could cover you for a limited duration. The second advantage is that in a group, there will likely be members having different strengths and talents which will allow a greater chance of survival in different habitats (i.e. a great fisherman would be useful near bodies of water and a great hunter would prove his worth in plains or woodlands where wild game is somewhat more plentiful).
     
  15. lonewolf

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    in a family unit I might agree, but a wolf pack made up of strangers post event? nope, you can keep it, i'll go lone wolf thank you very much.
     
  16. Toast

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    I don't think you should join up with anyone you don't trust. I think people can be given the opportunity to earn your trust, but even family and close friends can screw you over. Being a loner can be good, but it can also be awful. It's hard to fend for yourself, and get everything you need as an alone person. If you get ill or unable to provide for yourself, being a loner means you're just dead.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    you'll be dead also if you trust a group, you could be knifed in the ribs in the middle of the night and what little you possess stolen.
    better to be on ones own and ill than chance that.
    being only one means you need less food, less water, make less noise, leave smaller tracks than a group would, it just means you have to be careful where you go and where you step, but you'd have to do that in a group anyway.
    stranger=danger!! trust no one and you wont go far wrong.
     
  18. NormaD

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    What I would do is find myself a group of people that I can work together with to try and survive. We just were not meant to be alone, and I think it would be darn-near impossible to thrive in a situations where you are all alone with no one to talk to or to share experiences with. I guess that's why the highest punishment in prison is Solitary Confinement. They know this too.
     
  19. djordjem87

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    I work better alone but in an apocalyptic scenario where groups would be formed being alone is a risky way to go around. You would have to be hidden and to stay in shadows all the time. Once you are seen and caught stealing or whatever you will be in trouble probably. Times like that require team spirit to be at its finest and I would probably try to have my family and best friends close to me.
     
  20. FuZyOn

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    You know.. all my life I've been a lone wolf, running away alone, going on survival trips all by myself and not sharing much with others. It's the way I live my life because I feel like not a lot of people understand me and my beliefs, I'm tired of accomodating people in my life just for the sake of having friends. That being said, in an apocalyptic situation I would definitely like to be in a group, otherwise I'm pretty much going to struggle to stay alive. Of course, it comes down to how hard the apocalypse hit but most of the time wolves only survive in packs.
     
  21. Para173

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    You can NOT pull guard duty and sleep at the same time. If for no other reasons than joint security, you need a minimum of at least 3 or 4 people working together as a team to survive. Even then that number is too small which is why Special Forces went with the 12 man team concept. A good 12 man team can be structured for all round work assignments, guard duty rosters and so on. Besides, if the lone wolf comes down sick, who takes care of him? Nobody at all? No, you need people working together as a team to enhance your survivability.
     
  22. lonewolf

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    maybe in a war situation I might agree, but this is a prepper and survivalist forum, not a combat forum.
    most events that will cause a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI event or events will not mean a continual combat outlook, some security will be required at some point, but the majority of our time will be spent putting food on the table.
     
  23. Para173

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    In ANY survival situation, people instinctively ban together and support one another. It's not just military people either. In the flooding down in Louisiana civilian people used their own personal boats to go around and help rescue their neighbors. The people there referred to this as "The Cajun Navy." So when trouble hits, in most cases, people don't normally go it alone. So why not plan ahead and prepare yourself and friends in advance of any emergencies? Sort of set up your own team of specialists? That way you eliminate the lone wolf idea right away and make yourself more comfortable over the longer term. Survival is all about options. The more options you have, the better off your survival chances are and the better off your life in a survival situation will be as well.
     
  24. lonewolf

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    some people don't have extended families or large groups of friends, I know I don't, most if not all British groups will be family "units" and family only.
    some people will be left on their own post SHTF through no fault of their own, some people will have to go lone wolf because there is no one else around.
     
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  25. Tom Williams

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    A man on his own will survive if he is prepared. He can move freely and often leaveing no sign of being there food for one is easy to get
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    exactly, when the food supply is scarce, it is easier to find food for one but not for 20.
    one person makes less noise, less tracks , and can stay hidden much easier than a large party .
    its the sheeple, if any are left post SHTF, who will band together, they will have to, they just cannot survive alone, they have no skills or knowledge that will help them to survive, in my country sheeple are afraid of the countryside, "all that mud and shit, we'll get a disease!" nor do they know how to grow food, or what meat comes from which animal-it comes in those nice little wrapped packets with PORK or BEEF or CHICKEN written on it, after all. and as for killing Bambi or a nice fluffy bunny forget it! they'll run away screaming!
    in a country where 80% of the population lives in cities and are 4 generations removed from the land, the only skill most have is how to use a computer or text or play games on a smart phone, neither of which will help them find food when the power grid is down.
    the accepted survival rate in this country will be in the region of 10% or about 6 million, which is what the population was back in 1750 when the industrial revolution began.
     
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  27. Keith H.

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    I can see & appreciate both sides of this discussion. There are advantages on both sides & drawbacks. Certainly Para is correct about having someone to look after you if you get sick, I have been sick in an isolated place & it was touch & go. Many of us have family that we would not be prepared to leave behind, the same goes for close friends. I have both. Easier to hide one than many? Possibly, but a group can be hidden. It is a matter of choosing your ground, covering your tracks, having a good scout on point & another at the rear & on your flanks. Personally I think keeping a low profile is the best way to go, but at the same time, if you get into a fire fight you will be glad of the back-up.

    With so many pros & cons on both sides, I don't think there is any right or wrong. It is a matter of organisation, working with what you have to your best advantage.
    Keith.
     
  28. lonewolf

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    its also a matter of going with what you know, I was brought up as an "only" child and have spent a lot of my life-both man and boy- on my own, its what I know and what I am comfortable with, I like being alone, its being with other people that is the unknown quantity, how will they behave? how will they act, in a SHTF situation? not very well in my experience, are you willing to take that chance? I for myself am not.
    fine if you have your group now, and can keep it together until post SHTF- many groups fail long before this- but many people will find themselves alone after the event, do you really want to join a group of strangers post event not knowing anything about them, their temperament or their possible actions ? sorry, that's just not for me (stranger = danger) .
     
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  29. Arkane

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    I sense a lot of fear of others there! and that no strangers would live up to your standards!

    Damn you must be good if none are up to your standards!
     
  30. Keith H.

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    Can't fault your logic there my friend.
    Keith.
     
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  31. Nedbushcrafter

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    Ill go with lone wolf in pshtf me and my family will come first all my family know how to survive even my kids you will not he able to trust anyone pshtf and as such joining a group is completely out the question I for one would not put me and mine at risk
     
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  32. TexDanm

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    In the long haul a lone wolf is a dead wolf. Eventually injury, illness or just the inability of one person to be on guard constantly 24/7/365 in going to get you. A lone wolf is an individual that was tossed out of the pack and the hunting success of that lone wolf is very low. They get malnourished and weak and then die. Don't let fiction fool you most of the "lone wolves" in the past weren't actually very lonely. They mostly were just white men that had left the white man society and lived with the Indians.

    One person alone just can't actually do all the many things that it takes to survive long term outside of society without basically becoming a parasitic criminal that survives by stealing from others. That will get you killed fast if you don't have the police protecting you. It sounds romantic and all that cool stuff but the sad fact is than humans are tribal by nature and go crazy pretty fast if left truly and totally alone. There isn't going to be TVs, Movies, Radios or MP3s to keep you company. Go sit alone without anything to distract you in the dark for 24 hours and then talk about being Alone Wolf. Almost nobody alive today has ever been truly alone.

    Solitary confinement is the worst punishment you can do to a person. You can't sleep enough to pass the hours and without distraction your mind begins to break down. You begin to talk to yourself and lose touch with reality. Your fears and insecurities begin to surface and eventually you just stop living in a truly human sense.
     
  33. lonewolf

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    never thought I was a "human" anyway, much prefer to be labelled as a "hermit" or a "recluse" any day!!:D solitary confinement is only a punishment if your not used to being on your own, if you are its a blessing to be away from other people.
    many people will be left on their own through no fault of their own, not bad planning just bad luck, if they cant survive alone-even if its only until they find some group they can trust(yeah right!! good luck with that) they aren't going to survive for long.
    as for "cant actually do all the many things" that all depends on how involved one tries to make their Post SHTF life, I always say "keep it simple".
    at the end its up to every individual to make their own choices and take their own chances, no one is right, no one is wrong.
     
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  34. TexDanm

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    I'm probably more solitary than most people myself but Have you actually tried being totally alone without anything except your own thoughts for any length of time. I like to solo camp. I live near a huge chunk of National Forrest and would wander off into them for a week a couple times of year when it wasn't hunting season. I wouldn't hear a human made sound for a week. I enjoyed my alone time but by the end of that week I was for sure ready for a little company.

    I got sick once and had a high fever for three days. I'll tell you, I wasn't positive that I was going to make it out. This was back before cell phones and nobody would have worried if I hadn't showed back up for a week. I was kind of delirious for a lot of that time and the nights were wildly long and haunted by things that weren't there. When my fever broke I almost crawled out. Left most of my gear and returned for it a few days later.

    A little alone time is good for a person. you get to know yourself and often after a few days begin to see things differently. The Indians go out for their vision quests. It is an eye opening experience. Without distractions you will see, hear and notice things that will amaze you. When I was in my early 30s I went in and fasted for 7 days alone and was changed by the experience. You have to understand I'm not afraid of being alone but reality is much less stable when you don't have others to keep you focused into this reality we share.

    The problem in a survival situation is that you need to stay on track and focused a lot more than Americans are generally accustom to. Without others in general after about 30 days most people lose focus and become unstable. Where I live this is seen pretty often. I live in the middle of prison country and have 9 or 10 prisons near me with over 20,000 men locked up. The worst of them stay locked up alone. My wife spent over 20 years working in those prisons, the last 9 in the one that houses death row. She worked in the health care field and dealt with these guys. Some went mad but most were just so happy to have someone to talk to them that it was mostly sad. They were locked up alone iot their cell but could some times hear each other. It was amazing the lengths most of them would go to just to have some small contact with others.

    I will be a part of a family and then my family will have contact with other families that will in turn be a part of a larger community. See I bugged out in 1988 an live at my bug out location. I chose a small... VERY SMALL town and then live in the woods a half mile outside of town. We are a rural community made up of a lot of people that don't like crowds or having people close. That said we are nearly all well armed and not antisocial. I could actually get by and never go further from my home than I could walk to and from in an hour or so. I like the quiet of the rural life but also like that if things turn upside down I won't be alone. I chose where I am with survival in mind. I predate preppers, and survivalists. I was raised to be as nearly as possible totally self sufficient. My Dad was talking all of this stuff 60 years ago.
     
  35. lonewolf

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    i live in a remote location myself, on the edge of a small rural town, most people have never heard of this place, and its the sort of place we say here "blink-and you miss it!":D
    in my country(I don't live in America) there are no such things as prepper groups(oh, people have tried to start them but they don't last long and people move on for one reason or another) and groups here will be a family "unit" and family only, maybe we could get some "community" effort going post SHTF- but that all depends on the survival rate which no one here expects to be any higher than about 10% at most.
    I've spent a lot of my life alone, was an "only" child and was on my own most of the time, been married 3 times and divorced twice, I sometimes think i'm not fit for "normal" society, being alone just seems so right for me, i'm fine on my own, I just have nothing in common with most people, non preppers anyway!! :p
     
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  36. Bushdoctor

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    I go along with family, there are only two of us, my self and my wife and we are pretty self sufficient. We would interact with others (but not trust them) when it suits us, perhaps to trade skills etc, but
    reserve the right to walk away when we want. we live by our rules not theirs.
     
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  37. Keith H.

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    I think that is the only way to fly in the real world Doc.
    Keith.
     
  38. Arkane

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    Arh people!

    So many think there right and all others are wrong!

    A problem with groups is that most if not all run on "Authority"

    So encountering a group can be a very dangerous thing depending on there set of rules!

    Group members out scouting etc will have rules to obey set by there leader who in most probability holds complete Authority in all things!


    A team of two from a group are out scouting/patrolling ! they encounter YOU ! What are there rules of engagement?
    In most probability they are instructed to capture and present to the leader, the team of two would not have the authority to make any decisions themselves
    and are under no obligation not to lie to you!

    Very very dangerous to meet them anyway!
     
  39. lonewolf

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    I think that's the way any right thinking person would react, whether they are a single person, or a family, in the end its whether you can trust others, trust has to be earned not given away freely, otherwise walk away(if you can) but watch your back.
     
  40. Lee CT NE

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    I have a "tribe" organized consisting of trusted friends and reliable family members. All have their own special skill set that will benefit the entire tribe.

    I want and prefer to be surrounded by those folks who I can depend upon in a disaster/survival situation.
     
  41. Keith H.

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    I agree, but you can never be sure how anyone will react under pressure unless you have seen them in similar situations. I have seen steady strong men just stand & do nothing because the event was so unexpected.
    Keith.
     
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  42. lonewolf

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    that's true Keith, how people react in normal times and how they react under pressure could be a real eye opener for some.
     
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    I don't think you should join up with anyone you don't trust. I think people can be given the opportunity to earn your trust, but even family and close friends can screw you over. Being a loner can be good, but it can also be awful. It's hard to fend for yourself, and get everything you need as an alone person. If you get ill or unable to provide for yourself, being a loner means you're just dead.
     
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  44. lonewolf

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    you can get ill in groups too, unless you have a medic in your team your probably just as dead.
     
  45. TexDanm

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    I'm pretty willing to give most people a chance. In a survival situation though I see the world a little differently than most. If I take you in and you either become disruptive, refuse to do your fair share of the work or bring in strife and a lot of drama I will gently invite you to leave. If you decline you will disappear. In a survival situation anything that threatens your survival is your enemy and needs to be dealt with. A lot of people will die because they just won't deal with problems. Lots are going to die because they can't deal with their kids. If you are trying to hide and a kids won't shut up then you will die. Life after the fall will be especially hard on kids that were raised thinking that their opinions are important and that think that time out is the worst thing that can happen to them and they won't mind. People that want to debate everything as a method of getting out of work will find themselves starving either when they are thrown out of a group or when the entire group starves because they couldn't work together to get the things that need to be done DONE. I will help you survive if you will work with me and do your share but neither me or mine will die for you so you can sit on your butt. To me you are no different in a case like that than a rattle snake in my bed.

    I don't need a medic for anything short of surgery and will tackle that if it comes to it. Most problems have fairly simple natural solutions. Some of them you can address now. I drink out of fresh water puddles so if the day comes that I have to I won't get the trots from it. I also eat a lot of raw vegetables that I grow right out of the ground. I nearly never take antibiotics because I want my immunize system to be strong and handle things. Also read up NOW about herbal remedies. They work and can handle most common ailments. Basically though if you act a fool and get gut shot you are going to die SO I'm going to display my valor by mostly going unseen. The only fight that you never lose is the one you didn't fight!
     
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  46. ValX

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    I am a lonewolf, and I tend to work better on my own since I don't have to worry about people not doing what they're supposed to do and people betraying me. I can focus much more easily working better. But in the matter of surviving, I think I'll have to look for a wolf pack. I highly doubt I can do everything on my own like I'm some kind of god and that everything good will keep coming to me somehow. People are also very much needed for mental health after such a break down because you might just go crazy and have a mental breakdown.
     
  47. lonewolf

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    i'm better off on my own, always have been hence my user name, I don't trust others especially in a survival situation, too many egos to get in the way, I know what I have to do and just get on with it.
     
  48. Corzhens

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    This thread reminds me of Sylvester Stallone's movie Rambo - I think the title of the original is First Blood. Rambo was a former military man who trained to fight alone. I don't remember anymore the details of the story but I remember that it showed his training particularly with mental preparedness that he doesn't feel hunger and fatigue just by concentration. He was so strong and agile that he was able to fight his enemies all by himself. But that was a movie. In reality, I couldn't do that especially at my age. I would rather go with people of the same intention as to be saved.
     
  49. TexDanm

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    I reread a lot of this and think that Lone Wolf made a point that is important. WHERE you live has a huge effect on how you will deal with a lot of this. Different areas have wildly different environments and ever more different cultures. It is hard for people in one area and culture to fully understand the needs and attitudes of people in another. Some areas seem to be a lot more...clannish than others. People in one area will tend to not want to get involved where others jump right in.

    I live in East Texas. One of the things that people from other parts of the USA have a little trouble adjusting to is that we talk to each other all the time. Strangers in line anywhere may speak to you and just talk. If someone messes with a woman it is very possible that the men witnessing this will get seriously involved. We have guns and carry them. The funny thing is that you never hear of these guns that are legally carried get used in a fuss or disagreement. People that live in Texas generally adopt our ways or leave. It is sort of a be friendly or ELSE sort of culture in some ways especially when you get out of the big ant pile cities.

    We generally have a lot of land and nearly all of it in the eastern part of Texas is good for farming or is forested. Our winters are mild and while the summers are hot we usually have plenty of rain. I think that to some extent this relatively easy environment mellows people out somewhat. Neighborhoods tend to be friendly and to tell you the truth for most of us there is very little tensions between people from different places and races. We are a VERY multicultural place but all share a confection as Texans.

    I will be a part of a very multiracial multinational group. Black, White, Hispanic, Indian and Native American we are all Texans first and live together quite comfortably. I live outside of a tiny town like Lone Wolf. Small towns are already a little bit formed up. Rural people tend to be both self-sufficient and to some extent inter dependent. We don't have police and so tend to protect ourselves quite well and will come to the aid of our neighbors. This is the culture that I live in. As I learn more about the places where other people live I begin to see why they have such a different way of looking at things.
     
  50. lonewolf

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    many people from London move to the south west of England, but unless they can get used to our ways and the distances we have to travel to get even basic requirements, they don't usually last long.
    just recently someone from that area moved to my location, they were completely overwhelmed by the fact we didn't have a supermarket on every corner and a coffee shop nearby.
    I hear of "incomers" complaining that there are no street lights in the villages, no pavements/sidewalks in the countryside, they continually moan about the church bells, the cockerels, the tractors on the roads and even cows urinating in the fields!
    they don't usually last long and are gone back to the capital within 6 months.
     
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