An Aspect To Reopening Schools

https://www.mynewmarkets.com/articles/183653/how-covid-19-is-changing-insurance-for-schools


Good morning all,

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It's not just about using every other desk and food served in classroom.

Many issues are involved.

What got my attention in article was the liability section.

 

Re opening school in the middle of this plague? WTF they were they trying to do, spreading the plague further? Education, administrative task can be done remotely these days.

 

Good morning Varuna,

It's a balancing act.

US schools are, besides learning facilities, health development facilities for eg disabled kids, food programs and also "day care centers" to monitor kids since parent(s)/legal guardian(s) might not be home pre-after school hours.

There are many costs to distancing-learning such as webinairs using "ZOOM". Forgot if was in above link I posted here or something at other site I work - but the liability and business interruption insurance is expensive.

We have cases of hackers getting into the school programs - forgot if it was Zoom - and posting partisan political messages and child pornography. One lawsuit against the school and costs to school skyrocket.

Plus, even with the contagious COVID-19 disease and it's prevention measure, who sets up the PC for the child ? Who helps the kid when not understanding something ?

The nuclear family is no longer plentiful.

 

Food programs? Is that a school (educational institution) or a refuge center?

I can understand the need for disabled kids. But that doesn't mean the school system should be re open for everyone. It can always open for selected kids who really in need (disabled or single parent)

I called that a severe case of legal mismanagement by the school. Such proceeding should be toward the service provider (in this case Zoom) rather than the school

Your kidding right? Seriously a PC?!

 

Good morning Varuna,

Unfortunately for us nationally-oriented Americans, it's worse than I described above.

Think of, eg, China during their warlord era with the Middle Kingdom's many "camps" of political power blocs. Each had their demands met without regard to national unity with its inherent features of eg public health, national defense, standardized laws,...

Many US NGO (private sector) refugee camps are better managed than - most - US public schools. You must understand that "food programs" involves the sale of food to school districts. There is more profit in these transactions than eg the annual yearbook with the photographs of the kids .

"Really in need" is a matter determined by those with political power and economic support systems. Review the sale of the stringes with the emergency pharma - forgot the name of the product; some here might remember - to the public schools. Believe it was to 400 school districts throughout the US. Believe her dad was an elected official from West Virginia. The $$$ was more than bandages for school nurses.

"legal mismanagement" is a pleasant term in this context. Return to thinking about the Chinese war lord era. HSBC had a bigger and more powerful army than many/most mayors and governors.

A PC is an example. I should have added "eg". Whatever yields the larger ROI - Return On Investment - to the school district seller and provider (colusion involved) is typically the typical instrument provided the child.

Unfortunately our school situation is worse than I'm mentioning. The labor unions can be dangerous. The kids are unemployable and lack social skills. Managers at the criminal justice facilities can amplify.

 

I say its time for you guys to put that High Capacity Military Grade Full Automatic Assault Machine Gun AR-15 into some good use isn't?

Rather than providing F&B service, why not letting private (for profit) business to open their business inside the school but operate under the school norm & regulations. And let the kids, teacher, staff to buy whatever it is with their own money. The business who set up inside the school will obviously compete against one another to gain dominant market hold, which will benefit the customers.

The vast majority of household here doesn't own a single PC. And yet our education process is currently run by remote learning (online by internet). With our entire education institution is close until early 2021 what the education system (national gov't) here do is merely encourage education institution to use whatever private (for profit) service they deem fit for their local situation & condition (typically its either Google or a local private firm that also operate elsewhere in ASEAN region). In most case the school typically commission a private (for profit) outside IT consultant to determine which service is best suited for their need (that where people like me will enter the scene ). Any security breach incident is obviously became the liability of the service provider, in which case the service provider will argue (correctly) that they merely the plaintiff.

 

Good afternoon all,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...help-getting-schools-manchin-bresch/90435218/


I believe this was the thread where I mentioned the "epi pen school scandal" while in dialog with Varuna.

If not please excuse and asking Lonewolf for placing this in appropriate thread.

The " epi pen" is the epinephrine auto-injector syringe".

The elected political official from West Virginia I mentioned was US Senator Joe Manchin.

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I forgot if this expensive item related to the West Virginia Supremes forced to resign under pretext of buying unnecessary expensive office furniture.

 

Good afternoon Varuna,

In reply:

It's going on now. The media is really not "media" so events are not published. The "media" is on a different side of the ORBAT.

Public schools are a component of the "war lord" camps. What you described, like what's visible in Indonesia and China, can't happen here because of the war lords. It's not always the kids' money. It's Federal $$$. Customers in this context are bottom feeders.

US public schools are more so "disguised" unemployment than places to learn the basic academic stuff. My school district has LESS educators than other labor categories on the school payroll.

Liability in Virginia - throughout the US - is MUCH different.

Security at a public school ?

Virginia's largest city is Virginia Beach. It was really developed by parents seeking good and safe places for their children to get an education. It wasn't just the families. The major EMT organization also left Norfolk for another neighboring city: Chesapeake. Plus, it wasn't just the families and the medics. The area office of the FBI also relocated to Chesapeake.

Some call this "white flight" but many members of the USN were/are Filipino descent. They also left Norfolk.

For real school security, at my area (not local) veterans' meetings, many asked me how to make arrangements to move to rural Virginia. They are now here in rural Virginia.

 

People just can't understand that COVID-19 (CV19) is not going to just go away. eventually, every single person is going to get it or manage to shelter until a decent vaccine is available. The purpose of the shelterin and lockdowns is not to keep people from catching CV19 ever. It is to slow down the infection rate so that the hospitals are not overwhelmed. When the hospitals get overwhelmed the mortality rate doubles or in you are in New York, it triples.

There is at this time no vaccine and no "cure" most healthy people have no problem with it, it is much like the flu. The old people, people with health issues like COPD and the drug addicts are the ones that mostly die. In the military for example where people are fairly young and healthy the mortality rate is tiny like .3% or less.

This is not a plague. It is an epidemic. We have had a lot of those over many years. this is just the first one that the current generations have had to deal with it and they are not doing very well. I remember polio, My Mama's entire family had smallpox, My great grandfather lost two sons to Spanish influenza. We had two or three types of measles, chickenpox, mumps, whooping cough, and Diptheria were just part of life and growing up. Back then not only did people not run and hide from these childhood diseases they would send the kids over to play with the sick kids to get it over and done with.

We need to go back to work. We need to nut up and move on just as people have for thousands and thousands of years. Kids have a mortality rate similar to the military. Let me tell you, If we allow our economy to tank and allow our money to be made valueless by the government just printing it and giving it away the crash will make the mortality rate of CV13 look like NOTHING.

 

UK schools opening in September, already open in most of Europe and no major spikes in infection rate showing from this. Children have a very low infection rate, 7 under 15s have died from covid here from over 40,000 deaths so I'd say school is safe enough.

In the USA you should concern yourself more with the idiots who won't wear a mask and insist on topping up their tan on crowded beaches or drinking in bars rather than low risk children returning to school...they're not the ones who will infect you.

 

I agree in the second wave, thankfully children don't seem to get it and there is no evidence they are carriers, but yes, definite second wave for the rest of us. Your over 65(?) so good job your a loner mate or a good chance you won't see 2021 if you mingle in the shops etc.

My lads getting into a prepping frame of mind, wants shelfs put up in the garage for proper food storage.

 

What drive UK education system to re-open at September? IF. . . IF. . . the justification is due to the low infection rate, WHY not re opening soon (as in next week) why the wait till September? Also keep in mind that in any education system there is also the staff's not merely the kids.

I've already read what drive the US education system to re open from above posts. Now I wish to know what the story from UK side

 

The drive or motive to reopen schools is........education, formative years in education is vital to a child's development.

Why not now? Its been a tough year and we are now in the summer 6 week break. Children have been going back for a few weeks, not full time but enough to re orientate them plus this break gives time for the implementation of planning/safety measures in school.

Given distancing rules and the extremely low risk to teachers from children infecting them means they can return and teach with far less risk than some shop worker stacking shelves in Walmart.