Another Texas Shooting

Guns kill, if you can't see that then you need to wake up and smell the coffee because if you don't see it then you've just gone to Egypt.

Knife crime? Truly awful but at least they tend to kill their own kind, sort of a self cull.

 

You in Egypt LW.

Heck of a lot of people in the UK who own knives and don't kill people.

Have you heard this before

Peter is a Tiger

Peter is a doctor

therefore all doctors are tigers

PS, I did say 'Tend to' not always do

 

Hilarious. YOU started this thread then call it pointless. You push for gun bans then say you have appointments at the range to shoot your weapons.

 

You've gone to Egypt bit of humour = your in de nile get it?

 

Good morning Duke in Wales,

The Nile or the Yalu River, you initiated a thread and then left the river bank for the desert.

Criminal homicides are occurring in many places without famous rivers.

 

Don't read anything into it, 'He's in Egypt' is like 'he's in de nile' something you say when someone won't listen sort of thing, its polite, better than calling someone a wanker/dick head/twat/twunt/...more brit slang for you. Twat is a new word, its a combination of Twat and C**t....thats not polite. I prefer to say 'gone to Egypt'

 

I thought I was rather polite LW old boy. If I was going to be rude to you then trust me you would really know I was being rude be under no doubt about that.

 

An interesting observation TMT Tactical...utter nonsense of course but it gives an insight into your mindset.

 

Gun control in action in Sweden:

https://www.newsweek.com/asap-rocky-lawyer-shot-sweden-1458112

American rapper assaults Muslim immigrant while in Sweden. Swedish lawyer takes case of rapper. Lawyer gets shot in the head.

Hand-grenade attacks way up in Sweden:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-17/swedish-police-station-attacked-hand-grenade

Aug 12, 2019
https://pt-media.org/2019/08/12/in-sweden-there-have-been-over-a-hundred-bomb-attacks-this-year/

https://summit.news/2019/06/13/swed...missed-by-the-media-now-a-national-emergency/

Want mass mayhem? Leave psych cases out of hospitals. Bring in more savages.

In America, European Americans have murder rates matching those stat.s seen in Europe.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler

Those are the numbers. I guess numbers are racist.

Switzerland is eaten-up with firearms and ammunition. Switzerland natives have very low violent crime rates. I guess this is because all Swiss are rich. There aren't any working-class people in Switzerland, no truckers, no factory labor, no cleaning ladies ... Everyone is rich and eat bon-bons all day long, thus low violent crime. In America, white people don't work either. American oppressor-whites force all labor off onto people of color.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ican-police-make-more-arrests-as-riots-spread

Let's all pretend. Let's blame firearms -- now there's the ticket! Hey, let's come up with a disinformation phrase, hmmmm, let me think, ....... I've got it! "Gun Violence" The sheeple will graze happily on that one.

 

Some get it but most Euro people don't understand why American's are very resolute in their feelings toward keeping their firearms. I guess one would "have to be there" to get it. With the public school systems not teaching American history as it should be taught any longer more and more here in the U.S.A. will not understand either. The causes of the revolutionary war and the sacrifices of those who have fought and died for our freedom are no longer taught and therefore the lessons learned in American's struggle to keep freedom will be forgotten. Therefore, history will have to be repeated as sad as that is.

As far as European's or anyone who is not American's ideas and thoughts on American citizens having and keeping their firearms it is a moot subject and to be honest they really have no say in the matter and their opinions should be kept to themselves as it has absolutely nothing to do with them anyway. It is no different than an American telling Brits how their country's voting system should be run or that they need to dump the Queen or how any other country's constitution should read.

American families have had firearms for at least 150 years and there were not mass shootings. Firearms use and safety were taught in public schools and homes and people had firearms in their homes and vehicles displayed in plain sight without the violence or theft that we see today. Clearly with this history it is not the firearm that is the cause so what has changed?

In America, the lack of family structure has changed, the amount of respect has changed, the care for mentally ill has changed, the public school system has changed, the truth, and honor in politics has changed, television has changed, movies have changed, violence in games has changed.

All and probably much more attributes to the heightened violence we see today in general, not just firearms. Until the country accepts these truths and stops trying to blame the other side as well as the item I doubt that anything will change.

I do know that those who understand the real reason we have our firearms will not allow them to be taken and once it is attempted the result will be the same as the last time someone attempted to remove an American's firearms.

 

I love guns but don't want them in the hands of cowboys.

There was a real need for a well armed Militia but no need for them now.

 

Duke I think you are a man of good heart with admirable concerns of American citizens . I will try to explain , Americans love their freedom especially the older generation was taught from birth to cherish freedom and if need be fight and perhaps die so others can enjoy the freedom after we have
sacrificed our lives so the living can continue to enjoy freedom . Old Geezer said something to the effect of the castrated people in some countries . After a country has been castrated the harmone of freedom is forever gone and they can not truly feel the yearning of freedom. We do have here in the U.S. well armed militias as well as countless unofficial people armed and ready to fight to defend their freedom . Castrated we are not . The fact that the U.S. civilian population is well armed means our survivability in a apocalyptic scenario would be many times higher than the average person in a castrated country . Guns are not just for defense but also for procuring food . A prepper wanting to give away his or her most important survival tool , I can not understand . I know from reading posts on here non U.S. citizens have been feed a lot of garbage about how polluted the U.S. is . That is actually the opposite of the truth . No doubt if someone wanted to search for a polluted stream or area with bad air they could find it . The vast majority of the U.S. is enjoying VERY clean air and sparkling clean streams . The land is filled with abundant wild game the civilian population can harvest with their guns . Giving away our guns and ability to forge for food is about the same as asking someone to clean out the food in their pantry and give it to the sheeple .

 

Well, you're a Brit. You enjoy being lead "by your betters."

True Americans wish to take care of themselves, because unless you are a child, one knows that, "whoever protects you, owns you."

In America, the better part of the city dwellers who are of European descent have handed-in their gonads to local government offices. The minorities simply do not follow the law and never will. The "inner city folk" have the reports of their crimes actively suppressed by the collectivist media. When the death count crosses a certain point the media will report it and blame the displays of elf-control absence on firearms and knives.

Read about our Revolutionary War battle of King's Mountain. A bunch of hillbillies wiped out sycophant loyalists lead by British officers. One of my sons now lives near Sycamore Shoals.
"The Loyalists suffered 290 killed, 163 wounded, and 668 taken prisoner. The Patriot militia suffered 28 killed and 60 wounded."
Source: "A Statement of the Proceedings of the Western Army; Letter to General Gates;" at Tennessee GenWeb; text: ...reprinted by the East Tennessee Historical Society, Knoxville, Tennessee, 1967, pp. 243-5, which shows 53 [instead of 55] privates wounded for total of 60 wounded

Heartland Americans don't play the "kowtow to Big Brother" game. We severed ourselves from that crap long ago, because we are adults.

We arm in case a guerilla war becomes necessary or if savages wish to loot that which we have worked for. We also know how to drive / maintain heavy construction equipment and big trucks = we can cut power distribution to the cities, we can take out the bridges, motor vehicle and train. Redistribution is the enslavement of working people to take care of lower-order "people". We are the ones who dig the coal and pump the oil. Increasingly, we are the ones in uniform, the combat military for sure. Sheriffs in Heartland America are not enforcing these "assault weapon" bans, by the way. Truth be told, most guys (due to hunting, I guess) prefer the deer rifle to the "slap'n'banger" rifles. In America, more people are killed with fists and feet than all rifle deaths put together (to include the copy-cat killers).

Voltaire said: "God is on the side not of the heavy battalions, but of the best shots."

We in America look to Great Britain and Europe and witness weakness.

I hope that Great Britain and Europe take in oceans of immigrants and get slaughtered like the white farmers of South Africa. Do not ask for help. By the way, I deeply resent my dad and his brother risking their lives and getting all crippled-up just to allow your pathetic generation to exist; my country should have let the goose-steppers have you. Hey that reminded me, Russian men might bail you guys out with boots on the ground. Post WWII history teaches just how much the Russians liked German women (grandmothers and grammar school girls, age didn't matter). Seems these Muslim immigrants like your 12 - 14 age group, girls and boys. You can't protect your children.

Do have fun when the real fun begins!

 

And you've never had problems like those in the USA LOL.

America joined in WW2 when forced to, we had been fighting for two years. We could not have won WW2 with the USA, no doubt about it but we did our share too. If America had sat on the fence for another two years Hitler may well have had 'A' bombs and you'd all dancing to a different tune.

My family have served King and Queen since the 1800s.

 

Says the euro guy with the icon of America's favorite cowboy. LMFAO!

BTW. The well armed militia is probably more needed today in America than ever and is in a strong existence today but as I said I can't expect you to understand any of it being a foreigner.

 

I don't think any of these posts matter very much. I'ma proud owner of more than a few long guns, and I will not permit the government to take them away. I don't even like the idea of having to have a permit from the government to own any gun I choose. But I do know that

(1) The pendulum has swung, the NRA is losing its power and influence and it won't get it back;
(2) More and more people (including this conservative) are willing (some even eager) to require a universal background check before selling a new gun owner a firearm;
(3) Requiring a background check is not going to lead to confiscation, no matter how exciting and Red-Dawnish that sounds; and
(4) Universal background checks will be a fact by 2024 (actually, I'd be willing to bet by 2022).​

 

Well, what does that say about all of those socialists (like most of us here on this forum) who live off Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Public Schools and Universities, the Government-imposed minimum wages, Occupational Safety and Health Administration, et cetera, ad nauseam?

And how about the War of 1812 Battle of Bladensburg? After the Canadians kicked us invaders out of our invasion of Canada, they and their friends headed south, busted some Yankee chops, and burned the White House!

Including the heartland farmers who live off of government subsidies? Or the fact that seven of the ten states with the highest percentage of welfare recipients voted for Trump in 2016?

I don't believe that any of the American political persuasions, be they 'liberal'. 'conservative', 'populist', libertarian' or any other, has the patent on love of country. Indeed, did not the poet Sam Johnson say that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"? I have a lot more respect for an American -- of any political persuasion -- who honors and protects the Constitution with its emphasis on freedoms and civil liberties than someone who treats the American flag as a religious icon while disparaging his fellow citizens.

 

Democratic Party leaders have stated that handgun and "automatic rifles" WILL be confiscated once they first get more complete records on ownership. This they openly state in party meetings.

Me, I'm thinking that there will be severe to catastrophic economic problems in the USA before 2022. If a Democrat is elected in 2020, then you folk able to own gold and silver will be setting pretty, for the dollar will take a nose-dive. Everybody had some ownership on Obama. The Democratic Party has now totally come out of the closet. The euro / European banks are getting ready to collapse (Deutsche Bank was forced to downsize; Italy, Greece, and Spain have said NO! to austerity measures). China and Russia have been buying gold (Russia, a gold-producer is buying gold) full tilt. China and Russia have been building-up their military strength full tilt. Iran is buying missile technology full tilt.

Too, there's the matter of their being two Americas (at least two totally separate nations; two totally different peoples). This division can no longer be reversed. War is infinitely more likely than unity.

Year 2024? Dark days before then.

 

A good argument for some serious prepping OLD GEEZER .

 

"... while disparaging his fellow citizens"

Heartlanders and collectivists are not fellow citizens.

Those who live off of Social Security, et. al. are soon going to be out'a luck, for when the dollar tanks, those checks will only be good as fire-starters.

The farmers were pushed into incurring debt due to central government programs in decades past. I hope that the farmers default on their debts. I'm likely never going to see any of the money we've put into social security. Guns, ammo, silver coins, canned goods, and other barter will be the money of the near future. All of the money I've been putting into company retirement accounts is going to vaporize.

Americans shouldn't be invading anyone. That sort of thing has a bad tendency to go sideways. We should have let the Europeans kill each other off and taken in the scientists wanting to make some big bucks. We should have spent our defense funds on going massive power, especially in the development of nukes. Had Adolf won and begun making threats against America, we could have then annihilated his armies and industries with nuclear weapons.

We should never have gotten in involved in the Middle East. Armageddon is inevitable and we sure don't want to be anywhere near that. There's plenty of oil on this side of the planet. We should have made Mexico rich, even though the quality of their oil is not that of the Middle Eastern oil. Doubly refining oil is cheaper that projecting a navy. Had we left the rest of the world to rot -- they hate us anyway -- the North, Central, and South Americas could have been super-solid trading partners.

 

"In Dorian-Ravaged Bahamas, Armed Militias Stop People From Looting, Killing"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...1DtsWa0-IhalN1yOVUwySulmszyph8TnuajxxQ7QTMj9U

 

All I'm asking is that Americans admit that there is a massive gun issue causing mass murder, its not rocket science. I've no expectation of any of them agreeing, just a bit of banter LW, I don't take it to heart chap

 

Good morning Duke in Wales,

The US was fighting (unofficially because of the Neutrality Acts) in WWII on the day it started: 18 Sep 1931 - "Mukden Incident" - Your Colonial Office can explain to you. Have you read the US-UK Rainbow Plans and their history ?

I gave an open and favorable reading to your Saturday post ...... guns possessed by "cowboys", inferring non-responsible persons and your view about the US militia - now known as "National Guard" that evolved from the embryonic "a well-armed militia" no longer being needed.

Your American cousins surely agree with you that the irresponsible not to become public danger.

The National Guard might be phased out as we know the NG's organization, function and funding from Washington, D.C. There are strong arguments agreeing that the NG is no longer the needed organization(s). I can see the replacement being the various category public and private sector responder groups eg the Citizens Corps VIPS - Volunteers In Police Service, Wilderness SAR Teams, Volunteer Fire and Rescue Squads, Large animal rescue orgs, .......

Many of these groups are on Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. and the state capitols petitioning to be armed to perform their assignments. There's a large enough literature to review.

I've been following the US mass shootings - all the events were not mass murders; the mentally deficient cannot commit crimes ... even President Reagan was not the victim of an assassination attempt. The shooter was not competent as per the jury. My following of these events involved diligent study. It's far less about guns and much more so about the minimal public safety and security organizations because of labor costs and coupled to outrageous restrictions on LEOs.

Transmitting from the former Lord Fairfax proprietary colony.

 

There's nothing to admit.

The presence of knives does not induce people to slice and dice. People who have more glandular activity than brain frontal lobe activity commit more crimes. Mentally deranged people not confined to hospital watch and read the HUGE amount of coverage the mass media gives to anyone who has killed many people in one attack. A certain percentage of those deranged individuals will go on to COPY that which their sick brains processed from experiencing the media's glorification (that's what the psycho sees) of the act.

I do not subscribe to the principle of banning everything that could be used to create mayhem. France bans "assault rifles". A terrorist in France stole a large delivery truck and drove it into a crowd of people. He crushed over 80 people to death and injured over 200. He had an assault rifle and handgun in the truck with him -- those he used trying to escape. However, he DID NOT have to use firearms to get the high death count.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

From the article:

• Eighty-four people, including 10 children, were killed on Thursday night when a 31-year-old French Tunisian attacked Bastille Day celebrations in Nice by speeding a truck for 2km (about 1 mile) along the crowded promenade.
• Two hundred and two people were injured and 52 people remain in critical care, 25 on life support, French prosecutor François Molins said. Three or four children are in extremely critical condition, a doctor told the Guardian. The dead include two Americans, a Russian student and a motorcyclist who tried to board the truck to stop the driver.

Want to scrape the Earth of life? Formula = tanks of oxygen + tanks of acetylene (or an empty fuel tanker truck) + closed space + igniter. When that goes off, it's like a low-yield thermo-nuclear device. Military aircraft drop fuel-air bombs to scrape the Earth -- these puppies really work. In Africa the locals often knock holes in above ground fuel lines to steal fuel oil or gasoline to use in an oil stove. Guess what, sometimes this explodes, leaving dozens -- sometimes over 100 -- people dead.

Here's an idea, let's ban firearms and make mass-killers smarter.

Oh, but that doesn't work it seems. Marcos banned civilian firearm ownership in the Philippines. The price of firearms went up. So hundreds of primitive little machine shops opened up in the Philippines to manufacture any kind of firearm requested by anyone with the cash.





Pakistan also, of course



Philippines, registration then confiscation
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/15b5d5/philippine_martial_law_gun_control_and_tyranny/

Ban firearms in America and ten thousand basements and machine shops will be cranking-out fully automatic weapons. Today, warehouses full of AKs, M16s, RPGs, squad-level machine guns are being raided to supply Mexican drug gangs, MS-13 type street gangs, ... you name them, and too they are heading into the USA and these gangs invade our country hidden in among the rivers of illegal immigrants. The manufacturing of firearms is primitive technology. Semi-auto firearm manufacturing for civilian and military market goes back to at least to the 1890s. Semi-autos really started getting popular in the 1920s. Americans were sane back then. Since the rise of Democratic Socialism in the 1960s, America began falling apart culturally, morally, and spiritually.

"... just a bit of banter ..." No it isn't just banter. The USA now has plenty of communist whores in Congress. Bills are being written to rape Americans of their Liberty. If these anti-Americans come to power, today's emotional fury will turn into bloody violence.

 

Pragmatist, I am familiar with the Mukden Incident

American Industry help arm out nation, 'Lend Lease' and we paid for all of it over many years. There was a documentary made about ten years ago talking about Lend Lease. At the end of the war the conservative government (Churchill) lost the election to the Labour party. The Labour government wanted the Americans to wipe out this massive war debt (as did Churchill) and a delegation went over the pond. America said no, you pay for the lot. However a couple of US polititians, old timers sad that if a conservative government had asked then the slate would have been wiped clean. They hated what the Labour party were doing in the UK, Free health service, free schools, free universities massive social housing projects. The last payment to clear the debt was paid in 2006.

The mental capability/state of mind does not take away from the murders/wounding and the severe impact on the survivors and all the loved ones and families. Mentally ill people do commit the crimes but cannot be tried in court for them.

 

Availability of AK-47 rifles in England. Of course, the distribution is to violent felons and Muslim gangs. The sheeple serfs are expected to just take it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ists-swapped-suicide-belts-kalashnikov-ak-47s

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/02/police-net-dozens-illegal-firearms-ak-47-gun-free-uk/

 

"They hated what the Labour party were doing in the UK, Free health service, free schools, free universities massive social housing projects."

These things are not in any way, shape, form, or fashion, free. The government must suck the marrow out of something to pay people to work in hospitals, perform construction labor, teach the kids. Working for "free" involves a bayonet being pointed at one's back. As social programs increase, seed money for businesses and thus jobs are destroyed. Fewer jobs, more welfare, ..., the cancer spirals.

Housing projects in America have become dangerous, run-down, hell holes. There are sections of U.S. cities where the cops must enter in convoy. Fire and emergency medical teams require police escort into ghetto areas of our cities. You in England are beginning to have to do the same. Swedes cannot safely enter sections of Malmo.

England is slowly coming apart. As to the Continent, Italy, Greece, and Spain are bankrupt and siphoning what life blood they have out of the European Union. All of that is going to go belly-up economically. When the welfare checks go worthless, think that will go well?

Socialism = Cancer

 

"The mental capability/state of mind does not take away from the murders/wounding and the severe impact on the survivors and all the loved ones and families. Mentally ill people do commit the crimes but cannot be tried in court for them."

Were the psychotics being confined to hospital for treatment, their suffering and society's suffering would be mightily lessened. The American ACLU is responsible for the release of dangerous mentally ill people from hospitals and is therefore culpable in all of the mayhem and suffering resulting from such.

Lock up criminals. Hospitalize the mentally ill. There's some socialism proven to work.

To imagine that criminals on the street can be denied firearms is proof that the person entertaining such has not grown into adulthood. Such is puerile ideation.

The communists want to institutionalize all of society so that the sheeple can be "protected".

Death before dishonor.

 

Good afternoon Duke in Wales,

I was only responding to you on when the US was fighting in WWII.

Had not mentioned the financial arrangements. The US temporary acquisition of bases at Argentia, Newfoundland - just as therapeutic as Cannon Beach, Oregon - priceless ! In practical terms, fortunes were made by some working the Lend Lease accounts.

Nearby, Old Geezer corrected the use of the word "free".

I hold a completely different philosophical preparedness and public policy position. This allows me to say there is no significance that the mentally ill cannot be tried in court. With appropriately sized public safety departments operating under realistic rules and procedures, these people would be - an overused word - literally - stopped at the door before the tragic event occurs.

It's preventive measures that work. The other measures require large budgets and quality personnel. Don't anticipate this.

From your side of the pond:

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

George Orwell

 

Some drugs save lives, yet in anything other than small doses, they will kill.

Republican Dwight Eisenhower built the interstate highway system. This had benefits for citizens and the military. Interstates are now being used too often to haul cargo long distance. That function has historically fallen to the train companies and should return to the rails. Could the Fed help out? Sure, it comes under the interstate commerce clause. That latter clause has been stretch WAY TOO FAR, however it does have valid applications especially when the task is too large for state governments or large industries to handle on their own. The Fed should only come in when there are HUGE projects.

Education configuration is for states, private schools, and parochial schools to determine. The Constitution doesn't deal with it, thus it is left to the states and the people themselves to handle.

Government in small doses has proven necessary. The centralization of power has ALWAYS GONE WRONG. This has to do with our species. The best of the best humans are susceptible to going blind and becoming addicted to being in control when handed power. Therefore, power must be limited or split up. Our Forefathers split up the federal government into three chunks such that they would always be fighting each other. Our Forefathers passed most power to the individual states, for the people within each state had unique issues with which to deal -- "one size doesn't fit all".

 

Good evening Old Geezer,

Centralized power does have tremendous value for some matters.

I've seen state port authorities open offices at overseas ports and cause interference with US international relations.

A similar situation occurs when the political subdivisions - the states and powerhouse cities, especially NYC use tax incentives to lure foreign business to their venues. This, too, can and does interfere with national centralized plans.

The big change to the federal system of government could be assigned to Napoleon as running a large nation state with "foreign operations". The US Civil War and raising military forces clarified the situation and the new government of China loves the US being splintered.

 

I sure am glad we used our GUNS to kick the british army's ass in the 1700's and sent them back to England with their tails between their legs...Go ahead make my day and try taking them again????

 

The origins of our nation were based on a Federal Government of limited power and scope. They were supposed to
1. provide for the national defense and the security of the nation.

2. Oversee the trade between the USA and foreign nations and to handle the national relationships between the USA and other nations.

3. Ensure that the people's constitutional rights were protected and administered correctly nationwide.

Slowly that has been tossed aside. At no point was it intended that the Federal government was to control the laws and ways of life within the individual states other than where it concerned the constitutional treatment of CITIZENS. It is the intent of a huge portion of our elected officials to dissolve the Union and replace it with a Republic that will be ruled by an aristocracy. They are getting very close to it right now. If they manage to ban guns without first changing the constitution then nothing in the constitution can any longer be seen as a guarantee. The bill of rights was not intended to be SUGGESTIONS for how the Federal government should act.

A constitution is a CONTRACT between the citizens of the USA and the Government. Parts of our government are openly trying to breach that contract. A contract is like a piece of crystal if it is cracked it shatters. It can not exist as an intact crystal with a crack. Any break will end with it being in pieces. The "perfect union" will be no more and the UNITED states will nolonger be united. Anarchy will rule.

 

Good afternoon TexDanm,

Unfortunately, ...

The original conception had the above ideas. The concepts changed and in reality a contract is something from law. Law is a product of a political establishment. Our origins had both the English common law and the ecclesiastical laws.

Wealth from the South was being drained away because of the Tariffs, especially the Tariff of 1828 called The tariff of abominations (a couple of later minor modifications). In 1832, South Carolina held a convention to condemn the tariff as anti-Constitution and thus null and void. This assembly went further and said if there was any enforcement of this tariff, South Carolina, they would withdraw from the Union.

President Andy Jackson denounced the South Carolina actions, threats to act. Henry Clay developed a compromise.

To save on much typing and you and many others know the rest, will just mention the related; In 1854, a new anti-slavery political party was formed. Named the Republicans, two years later the Republican John C. Fremont lost to James Buchanan, In 1860, the Republicans won and Abraham Lincoln became President.

A nation expanding had settlers requiring safe and sound money and banking, Democrats were against building great national roads. The later railroad building issued had argument over a northern route or a southern route. The compromise led to developing 3 RRs.

In 20th century times, if Brandeis, Cardozo (the first Hispanic of the Supremes; not the Supreme from NYC) and the 1973 Roe Wade abortion legislation doesn't establish what's really going on,...

Hate to go too heavy but our society has changed so much that Lenin is blushing that his 5 year plans are so inferior to ours.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...-car-ploughed-into-carnival-crowd-in-belgium/

"At least six people have been killed after a car was rammed into a large crowd of festival-goers in Belgium on Sunday morning.

"At least six people have died, including a child, and over 70 have been injured, more than 20 seriously. The collision on Sunday morning is unexplained as of the time of publication — although at least one person has been arrested by Belgian police."
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That was a car and innocent people. How about a survivalist's truck trying to get back to camp while swarms of looters are trying to stop it. Looks like truckers are going to have to harden their trucks or just not make their deliveries. Were I a trucker, I'd choose not to make deliveries. Survival situation? Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.