Brits And Guns

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  1. LastOutlaw

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    Given our beginnings, and the fundamental beliefs on which we were founded I would expect our views would be drastically different than the British. To Americans the right to bear arms is a God given right. I don't know if the British share that belief.
     
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    Great Britain is in their death throes. It is in the process of turning into Britainistan.
     
    1. Ystranc
      That is not only incorrect it's offensive.
       
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    2. Sonofliberty
      Don't tell me, tell the muzzie mayor of Londinistan
       
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  4. lonewolf

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    you may all be right to a certain amount, but don't run away with the idea that it is illegal to own a gun in Britain, IT ISNT, but you have to have a reason to own a gun, just wanting one is not enough, and you have to go through a licencing procedure which includes a "home visit", for this reason some of us have declined to go this route, there are other ways of having arms without the need for licencing and home visits, at the moment anyway.
     
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    I understand your logic. I would not want bureaucrats coming into my home for any type of inspection. I am curious. If you go through whatever process is required can you get any kind of gun? Handgun? Rifle? IMHO you are more liberal with shotguns, in that shotguns are easier to acquire. Is that true?
     
    1. Ystranc
      there are two separate paths to firearm ownership in the UK, a shotgun certificate (for which you don't need to give a reason to own one) for a rifled long firearm or shot gun that fires sabot rounds you must apply for a fire arms certificate, provide a reason to own one and show that it will be stored securely
      Both applications are basically the same other than satisfying a police firearm liaison officer that you have good reason to get an FAC firearm.
      Licences for pistols are rare but possible in certain circumstances, trap clearing, humane dispatch etc.
      Self defence is not considered a legitimate reason for an application.
       
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  6. lonewolf

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    as I don't want a firearm licence I haven't got much info on this, but I believe it is easier to get a shotgun licence, there are a lot of clubs that do clay(skeets?) shooting and so member ship of such a club may be all that is required.
    like I said I don't have the experience to do more that pass an opinion, someone with more knowledge like Ystranc who I believe has licenced guns may be able to express more up to date info.
    my BIL has just got his rifle licence but then he is an upright member of society(financial advisor) unlike myself.
     
  7. paul m

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    I have shotguns. Keep my nose clean, it’s no problem. Yes, every 3 years the police check your home security and your record. Yes, you can have a rifle, but only with land to shoot on, or a rifle club to shoot at. Since Dunblane school shootings pistols are a no no.

    Sadly Americans make us Brits out to be unarmed and subservient. I can tell you that those of us who play by the rules are not! Our laws mean that it is very rare for a nutter to get a gun. I believe you had yet another mass shooting last week by a disgruntled employee?
     
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    Yes, we have school shootings, but that is a relatively new occurrence. In high school I'd leave my rifle in my car, if I was using it after school. I know people that keep their rifle in their school locker and hunted on the way home most days. There is one story, form our pioneer days, where the school mark's ex-boyfriend came to school with his gun and threatened her. The boys got their guns from the back of the classroom and convinced him that he had better places to be. This was not a problem for over our first 200 years.

    I blame the advent of socialism and violent computer games. Read, "The Assassination Generation."

    The main reason that our firearms rights are protected is so that we can defend ourselves from a bad government. Our Founding Fathers recognised that future generations would have to water the Tree of Liberty with blood if we were to remain free.

    Two points about WWII. The Japanese didn't want to attack America because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. When it looked like Japan would be invaded they were teaching their people how to fight with garden implements.

    Second, at the start of WWII the British advertised in American papers and asked American citizens to donate their private guns and ammo so that Britain might be able to fend off invasion. Many complied with that request. At the end of the war the government seized these guns so the populace couldn't rise up.
     
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    It is good to learn how the system works in other countries. I try not to have any preconceived notions about what is right or wrong. It is just the law of the land, and that is what you follow. There are certainly some philosophical differences.

    It was mentioned earlier as part of the process you needed a reason to have a gun. Why? Why do I have to ask some bureaucrat if I can own a gun? We believe these rights come from our creator; not from the Government. What do you do if the bureaucrat decides you don't need a gun? What if they don't like your security arrangements? To me this seems very intrusive.

    While the laws may keep bad people from getting guns it hasn't prevented them from getting knives. Last time I looked London's murder rate was higher than New York and knife crime was through the roof. Bad people will always find a way to commit a crime, and find a force advantage over their victim.

    It is good to hear that law abiding citizens can still get firearms. I didn't know about the unarmed; guilty as charged a little bit about the subservient.
     
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    News to me. I studied inter war history, and as far as I am aware all goods from the USA were on Lend/ Lease, which we finished paying for in 2006 I believe. There is no record , nor memory within My family or elderly neighbours of arms being seized. Another American misconception of England I fear.
     
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    I can't give you the link because it has been awhile but I have see copies of the ads. There were tons of lend lease arms but there were also some donated by private citizens. One that got a bit of press was a rifle that was in the Olympics. I believe it won. Most of these firearms went to the Home Guard.
     
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    Morgan 101,

    Most of us Americans take our Rights so for granted that we cannot conceive of people living any other way....and our own government does not teach anything about this as we slip more and more into this other Jurisdiction as are people in the UK and the and the Continent...most nations live under.

    That Jurisdiction is one of Privileges granted by the Sovereign not Rights granted by God.

    Rights by God cannot be taken away by Government though the long term pattern is to keep Americans ignorant of this such that they constantly volunteer their Rights away by taking out licenses which are privileges granted by the Sovereign.

    In places like the UK..and the Continent....under Privileges granted by the Sovereign you must constantly show and or demonstrate good faith....and the government can change fold or spindle what constitutes good faith.

    There is a presumption of guilt....therefore you must demonstrate your intentions...and or faith to the Sovereign.

    And so too it is with guns...but this is so much more than guns.


    In these nations you must constantly petition a council/sovereign for permission to make changes on your property....etc etc etc.

    Note...this is precisely where America is going as our leaders try to make us International...or more like England and the Continent.
    I understood this when this government passed Obama Care.....that they were making us more like England and the Continent....

    The manner in which it is done gets people to think that this kind of bondage and involuntary servitude is good for them..and this is exactly what is taught in public schools here and in the UK and Continent.

    Remember....they are grooming and educating the next generation of voters ....in our public schools...people with primarily a television and movie education in emotions....instant gratification.....security versus opportunity.

    And this keeps government in the saddle ..not the people.
    Brexit is proof of this.....a non representative government. Precisely where our own government is trying to go ......except.....that Trump and Company do not appear to be going along with this UK ..Continental pattern of the Sovereign and turning more and more over to the people and the States.

    If this is true...you can understand why more and more lefties hate Trump and company...he is taking the nipple out of their mouths. Security versus opportunity. He is bringing back opportunity.

    Ishmaelites at work.


    We are not Englishmen.


    Watcherchris

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  14. Morgan101

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    I know Watcherchris. All of the above. I think this should be directed to Paul M. I stated that in my first post of this thread. Our inalienable rights are endowed by their Creator. They can never be taken away. What the Government gives the Government can take away.

    Not so with our beliefs. They are given from God. They can never be taken away.
     
  15. lonewolf

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    don't be so sure, anything is possible.
     
  16. Morgan101

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    No doubt. They will certainly try.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    politicians are slippery customers, just look at what is happening here with Brexit, delay and denial, don't think something similar cant happen over there because it can.
     
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    We have all fallen prey to it many times. We have forgotten the definition of the word Liberty, which was one of our founding principles. We have allowed the Government to burden us with stifling regulation, and we never seem to vote the worthless ba$%#rds out.

    IMHO the greatest American ever was Benjamin Franklin. Quote " Any society that would give up a little Liberty to gain a little Security will deserve neither, and lose both."
     
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    I am not aware of weapons being seized in the UK after WW2, in fact the country was awash with WW2 and earlier weaponry until the Dunblane school shooting, when the gun laws changed dramatically here.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, if you're happy with your laws I've got no problem. I don't understand them but I have no problem. My problem is that there is a move to make gun laws more restrictive here.

    I'm confused with your countries decision to restrict firearms. Your country couldn't defend itself without asking for arms from us, and specifically from our civilians, yet after the lesson of WWII you restrict firearms. I just can't get my head around that.

    I had to smile. I wonder if your idea of "awash" with gun and mine are even close.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    most of our guns were left behind on the beaches at Dunkirk .
     
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    Too true, but not any of your civilian guns. Dunkirk was an amazing feat. The way you pulled together has made the free world proud of you for generations.

    I believe that it was a Japanese admiral that said that if they invaded America that there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
     
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    a lot of the civilian guns back then were collected and given to The Home Guard or so I am told as I wasn't around then.
     
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    1. Ystranc
      Not actually true, old men who joined the home guard took their own firearms at first until regulation ones were issued, no weapons were officially seized or requisitioned.
       
      Ystranc, Jun 8, 2019
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    By Caribou,

    I believe that Admiral was Isoroku Yamamoto.

    Isoroku Yamamoto was, in his earlier days and as a younger military officer, a military attaché to the Japanese Embassy in Washington DC. Hence he was well familiar with American culture, laws, history, and customs.

    Another sidelight of his tour as military attaché to the Japanese Embassy in Washington DC is that he was often invited to play poker with many of our own Generals and Admirals in their off duty time.
    And poker, for those who know, is a definite game of strategy. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto knew how many of our Generals and Admirals thought from playing poker with them..who would bluff and who would not. Very important information for a military man. Who could be aggressive and who would not. This man was no dummy.

    I would like to know via our company historicans if Isoroku Yamamoto was ever a visitor at this shipyard between wars. I am sure he visited many of America's production factories such as cars, mills, etc etc. A shipyard would be a natural place for a naval man attached to an Embassy in Washington DC to visit.

    Watcherchris,
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    Adults do not have to ask their mommies and daddies for permission to live their own lives.

    Brits need to do everything they can to collapse their government. Steps would include tapping into every government handout available. Avoid paying taxes. Briton and Europe must go totally bankrupt and have their decadent world crumble and burn. The spines of Leftists must be snapped. The first Tower of Babel had to be destroyed. Now this latter-day secular humanist / collectivist tower must be destroyed. Actually, I believe that the tower's own weight is sufficient to the task.

    If the law must be disobeyed, then so be it.
     
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    Come to America and attend a gun show. You'll find plenty of British Enfields for sale ... the picked-over ones at least. I have two in almost-new condition; a No. 4 Mk II and a No. 1 Mk III (this one is actually an Aussie version; they kept making the No. 1 Mk III model on into WWII). Over the years I've owned several, always trying to find better and better quality. Trade trade trade.

    Most of the truly fine examples are in collections, so finding a fine specimen at a show is work. One can always trim back the muzzle area/length. That's where most of the corrosion will have eaten the rifling. The bolts get set back -- a "no go gauge" goes -- so you go looking for bolt head replacement.

    Lord only knows how many hundreds of thousands of Enfields are scattered all across Canada.
     
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    British elitists can be the biggest sh##s imaginable.

    During our Revolutionary War, the British Crown was aghast that the colonist "commoners" had the un-Holy audacity to shoot British officers. In their minds, commoners should only kill commoners.

    Oopsie! We kill first the leaders.

    Today, American "deplorables" keep their center-fire scoped rifles sighted in. Those who would be our "betters" better keep that in mind.
     
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    Amen...Olde Geezere......Amen....Amen....Amen!!!


    Amen here again Olde Geezer..Amen.

    I own an Ishapore Enfield calibrated in .308 Winchester also known as 7.62 x 51mm NATO.
    I chose this calibration deliberately as it is ammunition more commonly available here than the .303 British caliber..but nothing wrong with how the rifle works. It is definitely a rugged rifle...solid and capable in trained hands...and it has a generous magazine capacity.
    I can reload .308 as well as the American .30.06 calibration. It is the same bullet diameter used in both...

    This kind of magazine capacity ala the Enfield Rifle in a bolt action is today being copied by many production companies in their products.
    I also own a Mossberg Patrol rifle bolt action in .308 Winchester with the ability to be fitted with ten or twenty round magazines.

    I also of recent picked up the bayonet for my Ishapore Enfield to make it more historically complete. However....a bayonet is not something I would ever plan to use on the end of a rifle as it tends to make the barrel end ..quite heavy. But historically it is complete....sans the ammunition belt. That is next on the list of acquisitions for this rifle.

    No doubt abut the Enfield being a rock solid rifle...and along with others of this genre...able to stand the test of time.
    She has served the Empire well.and so today...many many civilians such as me.

    I personally feel that every Brit should own this piece of history...and proudly so.


    Watcherchris,
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    1. Ystranc
      Ive handled the SMLE a few times, considering how old the design is it's difficult to imagine what real improvements could be made to it.
       
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    I've wondered about getting one of these myself. Still is in my mind.

    Y'know, it burns my soul to see perfectly good rifles go unappreciated.

    That said, I'm dumbfounded at the prices being asked for used firearms these days. What's that about?! Is it inflation; i.e. have I not kept up with the true inflation of the dollar? Or, are people getting by with price gouging?!

    I was only recently wondering about the value of a rifle I own, then yesterday I was out and saw an inferior rifle for sale. They were asking over $1200. I just stood there a moment unmoving.

    I've tuned, had my gunsmiths tune rifles into tack-drivers. I start to tell someone about these upgrades and their eyes begin to drift. Those who appreciate quality are becoming fewer and fewer. When one goes out shopping, no quality is to be found. There's your true inflation. It's not just the prices going up, it is the quality going down. Price stability with lessening quality is still inflation -- inflation writ large, the inflation that disgusts me most. How many times do you now here people say, "I'm not getting my money's worth!"
     
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    It's not price gouging so much as supply and demand. As the years go by these gins get fewer and fewer while more collectors come on the scene. There are guns out there that are not even in working order that go for ridiculous prices just because they are so rare.

    I thought about rebarreling my .303's in .308 but there is no need as I can still get ammo and brass. They are mostly safe queens and for my viewing pleasure. I had eye surgery almost a month ago so I'm able to shoot iron sights again so perhaps I'll bring these out and show them that they are still loved.
     
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    You know Olde Geezer.....this...

    My mind and soul are drifting into the arena of the 30-40 Kraig...rifle.

    To my shock and surprise...they are going for premium prices at the gun shows...right in there with the 1903 Spriingfield Rifles.

    Ironically in the cartridge conversion handbook I have ...they are saying to make cases for the 30-40 Kraig from .303 British cases.



    Yes...some of it is indeed inflation but many of these olde rifles..the supply is drying up today.

    People who know....know how to turn an olde rifle into a tack driver...

    I have such in a second modified 1903 Springfield...heavy barrel. You have to really settle into this rifle to get the best out of her off the bench. I have named her........"Dixie." You have to hold her ...."gutentight " as the Germans are want to say.
    And she is a sweetie!!!


    Even new tack drivers can be expensive today.

    Thanks,
    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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    Out of a population of about 70 million people there are 567,047 British who hold a shotgun certificate, many of them own multiple guns.
    There are a further 157,581 firearm certificates held by private individuals, again many of them owning multiple firearms.(2018 figures)
    While it is only a tiny percentage of the population it does show that anyone who wants to and can satisfy the police liaison officer that they're neither criminal nor insane can get a licence. The number of people applying for firearm ownership is increasing at a steady rate of around 2% annually (not keeping pace with population growth but the percentage increase is still growing)
    Almost all of these firearms and shotguns are held for the purpose of sport or pest control while a small number are held for the purpose of humane dispatch or culling of game species. Non are registered for the purpose of self defence.
    Going back to the original post, I have no idea who Paul Fenwick is but he is entitled to his opinion, what he is NOT entitled to do is imply that the rest of us share his opinion.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    there are about 10,400 registered firearms in Devon and Cornwall out of a population of 1.6million, a lot of these are shotguns.
     
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    By Ystranc,

    By lonewolf,


    Wow!! Ok...that is impressive on the data sheets.


    Do you people not seem to know...not seem to be aware....that in traditionally dictatorial nations ...if you can easily own one type of gun it is a shotgun. Long range guns are prohibited to the general populace.

    How many of you own a Lee Enfield???

    How many of you own a dot gun....a rifle capable of one inch or tighter groups at 100 yards.???



    I own a Lee Enfield....an Ishapore Enfield in 7.62 x 51mm NATO....and it is a shooter. A rock solid rifle.

    I think Every Englishman should own one of these pieces of history.

    For The Lee Enfield stood reliable watch over the Empire for many many many years.

    The magazine capacity of the Lee Enfield is being copied today by many firearms companies...in their production rifles.
    Magazines holding 10 rounds or more....bolt action rifles.

    The magazine design philosophy of the Lee Enfield is not dying out..but being copied...reproduced..

    I also own one of these....in likeness to the Enfield Rifle...also calibrated in 7.62 x 51mm. Note the magazine design...

    https://www.mossberg.com/product/mvp-patrol-rifle-27738/


    No...the Enfield Designers were onto something..before their time....and it has not died out but only been brought up to date with newer materials..but the design features have not died out.

    I never fully understood how and why the Enfield is such a rapidly operating bolt action until I disassembled this Ishapore Enfield. Then it became clearly obvious as to the difference between the Enfield and the Mauser designs and their speed in operation.


    Oh.....don't get me wrong here....I am not knocking the shotgun.


    Contrary to popular belief and or movies and television ....it was the shotgun which was to tame so much of America...not the handgun...or even the rifle...but the shotgun.

    Many Americans in the olde days were so poor that if they could own one gun..it was a shotgun. The shotgun was to stand watch over many a family as well as put meat on the tables.

    But the historical facts are that dictatorial governments... if they allow any firearms in the hands of the general public ..it will be a shotgun..not a long gun or hand gun.

    This is not taught to most people in public school educations. Ishmaelites at work.


    "If you cannot be trusted with a gun....you will never be trusted with a vote."

    And that Gentlemen..is what greatly concerns me....not gun ownership per se.

    I am watching this Brexit business carefully. For, to me, it is a reflection of this gun ownership philosophy to which I am referring.

    What happens in your country is your business.and rightly so.

    But I am well aware that we have the came caliber of phony double dealing politicians here in America....who are clearly not the product advertised.

    That is what concerns me...greatly ....not gun ownership per se..but the phony double dealing nature of so much of politics.

    A non representative government.

    Their ability to barter , trade, and sell the very soul/souls of a people and nation...for political lucre.

    With Respect.


    My Non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  35. Ystranc

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    Chris, the figure of 157,581 refers to the number of owners with multiple rifles that are capable of the kind of accuracy that you mentioned, there has however been an ill informed move to ban class f and open class competitive shooting by banning rifles using the .50 cal BMG but that seems to have been voted down by paliment. (I was one of the huge number of shooters who lobbied against it)
    If you check you will find that British competitive marksmanship is alive and well with its strong advocates in both Houses of Parliament.
    In answer to your other point there aren't enough SMLE rifles to go around so they've become prohibitively expensive compared to a modern .243 or .308.
    40 or 50 years ago they were cheap as chips but so many have been deactivated or converted as target rifles that a .303 Lee Enfield in original condition is now an expensive gun. Strange considered that there were so many made.
     
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  36. Old Geezer

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    There are 1.6 million people in Cornwall and Devon?! Whoa!!!!!

    I didn't EVEN realize this!
     
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    Though it is a bit late...I am just in from my garage wherein I rolled me about 100 rounds of .308 Winchester Ammuniton loaded with 150 grain Hornady Spire point bullets. Powder is IMR 4064...at about 2500 FPS on the tables.

    Have about 117 more rounds of this .308 Winchester to reload.

    Then I will be switching over to .40 S&W pistol reloads.

    The .308 Ammunition is for the Ishapore Enfield as well as the Mossberg Patrol rifle listed in an Above post.

    It is good to get back into reloading...and or listening to music while out there in my garage.

    Watcherchris,
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
  38. Caribou

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    Fewer tha 11,000 guns for 1.6 million people. In Alaska we have 6-700,000 people and we must have over a million guns. If someone said that we had multiples of that I wouldn't doubt them. I know one person that doesn't own a gun. I know there are many more but I can't identify who they might be. Convicted felons aren't allowed to own firearms but any that do and live off the road system, are generally allowed one shotgun and one rifle unless they become a problem.

    There are probably a dozen gun stores within 15 minutes of my home and there are thousands of guns advertised for sale every day. The high school about ten minutes or so away has an annual gun show.

    When I was working as a range officer we almost never got kids under five in there shooting. We don't need to prove that we are trustworthy, the government needs to prove that we are not.
     
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    Clinton was my reason for purchasing my force multiplier firearms and stocking up on the ammo. California and it's ammo laws is my reason for getting to reloading. The constant attack on firearm owners and the drive to disarm Americans, is the reason I continue to build my armory. The Democrats and Socialist Liberals are the best marketing force the firearm industry has ever had.

    Really, how many firearms do I need? well that depends on the number of folks trying to disarm me.
     
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    1.1 million people live in Devon, 90% of them live in the south of the county near the coast, 500,000 people live in Cornwall, a lot of them are second home owners.
     
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  41. watcherchris

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    Caribou,

    I caught that too ...but was trying to be generous and civil. Apparently you felt no such restraint.


    TMT Tactical,

    I've been dabbling in this since Ronald Reagan became President. I don't trust the Republicans as well as the Democrats with my Rights under the Constitution of the United States.. The Republicans are, to me, nothing more than Democrat Lite.


    Watcherchris
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  42. TexDanm

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    The US has 350 million people....We have a LOT more guns than we have people. We don't have to beg our government to let us be free people. We have the will and the ability to demand it.
     
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    The American Hunter is the largest army in the world.
    largestarmy.jpg
     
  44. TexDanm

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    LOL, in Texas opening day of deer season ranks up there with Superbowl Sunday or Thanksgiving as far as the importance and plans of people.
     
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    In Alaska, if you want anything done by someone else i.e. construction, it better be finished by the end of august because September is hunting season.
     
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    Nobody really knows for sure, but most estimates go between 400 and 660 million guns in the U.S.
     
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  47. watcherchris

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    By Caribou,

    You can tell at work ...on day shift....Opening day of Hunting Season....lots of people absent and have taken the day off...to Hunt....and this is only here In Virginia..there are 49 other states.


    Watcherchris,
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  48. Caribou

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    Sorry, I had no intention of being uncivil only as accurate asI could be. People do things differently all around the world. That doesn't make one wrong and the other right just different.
     
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    i'm not sure what your trying to say apart from there are more people and guns in America which we all sort of knew.
    the US is also bigger than the UK.
     
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  50. watcherchris

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    No Lonewolf...I think it is the numbers as a reflection of per capita ownership....and or regulation.

    Americans are a people who tend to take their liberties for granted..and think everyone should live this way...the whole world and are not accustomed to people and nations who do not.

    Also there is the matter of Jurisdiction....citizens with rights versus subjects...with privileges.

    Americans are verily unfamiliar with this concept at law...and it is mostly not taught to people here...hidden and concealed from us.

    We tend to not be familiar with Admiralty Maritime Law...privileges granted by the Sovereign or licensing agent...acting in stead for a Sovereign...or government.

    It is not taught to Americans for what it really is at law.

    Good Grief.....Lonewolf....Americans as a whole are very unfamiliar with the Constitution of the United States. They just take it for granted.

    So when they see numbers ...as were posted here about the UK gun ownership....they are aghast...and often not knowing or recognizing the difference in the Jurisdictions at law...how and why they are thusly applied.


    However....what many of us do know .....is that someone out here is trying to make us here in America...as are Englishmen....and or Continentals....not trusting us to be armed....not just physically ..with firearms..but also mentally as well as spiritually.

    We are not Englishmen or Continentals and have no desire to so become.


    Watcherchris,
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