Can you bear to watch someone being hurt or torture?

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  1. Deeishere

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    I was listening to this talk show about this lady who was in France and was beaten by a mob of people. The guy who was sharing the story said that he listened to the tape and could hear her screaming. I just can't watch something like that. I don't even care if it's a movie and they are all actors. I just can't stand viewing a person getting hurt. I remember in my sociology class learning about being desensitized. There was a study performed on people who watch a woman being abused. They had to watch it several times. The first few times, it was very uncomfortable. After many times after, they were indifferent. The felt it was the victim's fault.
     
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  2. Keith H.

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    I not only can not stand innocent people suffering, but I can't stand-by & do nothing either. I will never understand the uncaring & cowardly attitude of people that will just walk by & do nothing.
    Keith.
     
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  3. Arkane

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    Very situation dependant question! My instincts would be to help but I have responsabilities to help others also!
    Am I alone or with a group, are they alone or with a group, is it a victim being victimised or a bad person being punished?
    Who are these people?

    Way too many questions, unless most of these questions are answered I would be inclined to pass on by!
     
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  4. Moroccanbeauty2266

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    If I see someone hurting it hurts me, too.
    I wish people would show more empathy and courage to step in in such situations.
    Unfortunately, however, a lot of people feel either that it is not their business or they lean towards liking to see someone being hurt.
    And others do want to help but might feel helpless in a way....
     
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  5. lonewolf

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    either do something about it or move along.
    the trouble with the modern society is your more likely to get set upon yourself(and get injured-perhaps even stabbed)at worst, or at best you get the standard response "whats it too you?".
    in normal times, I generally mind my own business, there are always plenty of other people about anyway to offer support-if such is needed.
    in SHTF times, maybe I would investigate but be wary of hidden accomplices in the bushes.
     
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  6. Arkane

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    I used to be the guy who stepped in to stop things.
    Experience now tells me to stay back! as rarely will any good come from it!
     
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  7. Karen Martin

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    I couldn't bear to watch no one to be torture or beaten, because I am a kind-hearted person and I couldn't even kill a fly! People need to stop all of this violence and love one another and put love in their heart and not hate!
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    nice sentiment, wont happen.
     
  9. filmjunkie08

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    I find torture cruel and i can not abide anyone being cruel to someone else. I have to stop it if i see it.
     
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  10. Iohndee

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    I can't stand seeing what I wouldn't like or want done unto me being metted on someone else. Torture is cruel, it is dehumanizing.

    No normal human being with feelings can want to see another person suffer. And for those who relish in torturing others, I believe they suffer from a psychological problem.

    There is no other logical explanation why a fellow being can just watch another screaming in pain and anguish. There are always better ways of dealing with matters other than inflicting pain.
     
  11. lonewolf

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    people who have interfered when someone else is being assaulted usually end up getting assaulted and injured themselves, please be aware of this when you decide to get involved.
    post SHTF my only "duty" is to me and mine, everyone else is going to have to look out for themselves.
     
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  12. explorerx7

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    I don't enjoy watching a person being abused, however, basic life preservation instincts directs me to move on even though I would probably be tempted to intervene. I have seen where many persons have met their demise whilst trying to protect a person from being harmed. Its may sound selfish, but the way things are going nowadays it's better to be safe than sorry. The situation has changed so much, that in many instances instead of helping, many people turn to their cellphones to take pictures.
     
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  13. Danny Luke

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    I think it depends on where you live and how exposed you were to materials like that. People who lived most of their lives in comfortable and fairly safe environments are the ones who usually can't stand watching violent videos or shows. People from conflicted areas can stomach the violence. Some of them can watch without even flinching. This is because they have been exposed to violent materials that they've become desensitized.
     
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  14. iseeyou

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    I wouldn't be able to watch someone get beaten up right before my very eyes, that's just sick and twisted. I can't tolerate violent scenes in movies either even knowing it's staged, it's just too painful to watch and i feel like the pain is also being inflicted on me rather than the one being tortured alone.
     
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  15. lonewolf

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    if you interfere you should at the very least be able to protect yourself, otherwise you will end up in the same condition as the victim you are trying to save.
    its a nice thought trying to save others, in reality it dosent always work out that way.
     
  16. tb65

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    People can be desensitized to immorality. A lot of times this can happen with entertainment, like watching youtube videos with a bunch of senseless violence. This is why I try to stay away from watching things with low moral content. I think torturing people can only be enjoyed by someone who is mentally ill, and this illness can be caused thru desensitization.
     
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  17. Vinaya

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    I may be able to watch recorded things, however, I cannot watch it live, when the incident is occurring. I can watch recorded version because watching such things make me more sensible to such events, and give me idea how can I help the victims, or how do I discourage the victimizer. Watching it in real time and doing nothing make me a criminal. If I see it live, I must do something to stop.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    if you have the ability to stop it, then go ahead. if you haven't then you are asking to be another victim.
     
  19. tb65

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    That's a really reptile like way to look at it. I guess you have a point, but enough people brave enough to step up could make a difference. I think more people need to gain this ability.
     
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  20. DecMikashimota

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    I react physically to things that are overwhelming. I have ptsd, so I can end up in fight or flight mode pretty quickly. If I am calm then most likely I am premeditating some kind of action.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    if there are enough people to end the fight or assault I agree, but if its only one person and they are not capable of ending it, then they just put themselves at risk. and they achieve nothing, maybe a stay in hospital-if their that lucky.
     
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  22. djordjem87

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    I can say that is true. I am from Serbia and I am not saying it is the worst place to grow up but we have a certain way of life and our genes are Slavic meaning they bring some interesting stuff in our personalities in general. I cannot say that I like to see other people being hurt or tortured but If I could not help them it wouldn't affect me in any sense. I have a strong feeling of justice as many people in my country has but we also have become very indifferent to human sufferings since we have suffered a lot ourselves. This is also the case with some African people in Africa. You can see them looking at stuff most people would find disgusting. Beheaded people, limbs thorn apart. It is all about personal experience. Like when you run a marathon. The more you run the less pain you feel. You get used to the fatigue and you get stamina.
     
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  23. lonewolf

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    as long as its not happening to me i'm fine with it:p
     
  24. amonda

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    I cannot bear to watch or even listen to something of that nature. It makes me cringe. I love people and when it comes on to my family members and loved ones in particular, God forbid they should be placed in a situation like that I would much prefer to take their place because I just couldn't manage to see them suffering.
     
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  25. BeautifullyBree

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    I enjoy watching movies that show violence. I don't like it in person though. I'm always up for standing up for anyone getting hurt or mistreated. I don't like see animals hurt or tortured either.
     
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  26. Coputere

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    I do not know why any sane person would want to watch some one be tortured to death. If you can watch that sort of thing, especially for entertainment purposes then my friend, you are unwell. To watch such things is desensitizing and torture is along the same lines as rape and pedophilia to me. Reserved for the scum of the earth.
     
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  27. ZoeZoundBarrier

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    I can and I don't personally think that there is something wrong with this at all. If you have been toughened by your environment and consider yourself a man, then you should be able to stomach seeing painful things.
     
  28. ZipMedia

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    Desensitization is not an absolute, which is something I just don't understand. Watching videos of deaths and injuries can be unnerving, but they are far from permanent damage in the eyes of psyche. In fact, purposeful non-exposure will never help you to face the facts of life that are carried in these videos. People die, whether in freak accidents or homicides. Either way, it's important to study the trends involved because one day it may very much be you in front of the camera.

    Don't go anywhere near motorcyclists in Brazil, for example.
     
  29. ByLilOneG

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    Absolutely not! I can't watch Game of Thrones or other violent shows and movies with torture and gore. I also listen to podcasts on true crime issues and have a hard time listening to those at times. It boggles my mind that a human being can inflict horrible pain and suffering on another and/or animals too. Some people have higher tolerance for pain and such, but you would think that if something hurts for you, it probably hurts for another as well. I know there are psychopaths and sociopaths who think otherwise, but they're in different categories altogether. I guess it's hard to imagine that some gruesome crimes stories that come out are real. Sometimes reality is more frightening than anything one can conjure up in a fantasy.
     
  30. AnnaBanana

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    I see scenes of torture and brutality on fictional shows all the time, and they don't bother me that badly. When I see such things on the news, it does bother me quite a bit. Like today, I saw some coverage of the black man who was shot while sitting in his car; his girlfriend began filming on her cell phone immediately after he was shot. I was disturbed by that, and I think if I were to see such things with my own two eyes, I wouldn't be able to handle it.
     
  31. hades_leae

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    Probably because they'd rather not risk getting hurt, which is a reasonable argument. They owe no one their lives, so they just stand by. It hurts to see tat people do that, but I can't be mad at them for not wanting to get involved, me on the other hand..if I have a pistol on hand and feel it would be justified according to laws, then someone is going to die.
     
  32. Arkane

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    The Mass's have been conditioned to defer to the government!
    You are not permitted to take the law into your own hands, that is the governments job!
    You are supposed to call/defer to government to deal with it! you are not qualified to deal with it

    You should let the police wrestle the bad guy to the ground and hold him still so they can shoot him!
     
  33. tb65

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    Your talking about being aware of what's going on. Being desensitized is when someone is entertained by senseless violence and condones it . When people aren't desensitized they get infuriated by immoral acts which puts the perpetrator in more danger. I'm not worried about the camera,
    if it catches the person looking for fame getting a lesson that hopefully they'll live to remember.
     
  34. AWPEK

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    I could not bear to watch someone being hurt or tortured. Whenever I see something that graphic in real life I end up repicturing the scenario only as me in the situation. Also, I'm pretty sure that everyone here who are human would never want to view such a disgusting site. People who were to actually enjoy it usually are the type who don't sympathize with other people lives. Most of us would find the whole scene to be a wrong doing and also become infuriated as stated by ''tb65''. Let's all make sure that whenever we see something like that, we must come together to defeat such terrible and illegal action. Who knows how many lives could be lost if something isn't done quickly. So be kind and try to help.
     
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  35. Keith H.

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    This all depends on the situation, for me anyway. Torture is cruel, but if the life of my loved ones depended on getting information out of someone who was not willing to cooperate, I could quite easily torture them to get the information I needed.
    Keith.
     
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  36. Rhomhie Morelh Campo

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    I have an experience on that one but i cannot hold any longer watching someone get hurt, like my classmate my best friend being bullied by some dude's in the park I don't know what to do then, so I immediately grab some stick a big one then started scaring them and they flew away.
     
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  37. Old Geezer

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    There are millions of people who pay big money to watch people get injured and killed. Sexual sadism is a big money-maker for the porn industry. Many folk only go to the car races to watch the crashes. Find videos of violence on the web, then look at the tens of thousands of hits for this gore-fest stuff. We are not so far removed from ancient Rome.
     
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  38. Keith H.

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    We avoid watching video movies that are for us too gruesome. We prefer English detective mysteries such as "Vera". They still have murders, but none of the blood & guts you get in so many movies these days. I like watching survival movies too, but definitely not Zombie movies!!!
    Keith.
     
  39. Arkane

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    Vera, Morse, Lewis, Midsummer etc are all visual sleeping potions! Avisual Sedative if you like!
     
  40. JeffHart

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    Absolutely not! I have seen many videos of crowds of people standing around watching as someone is being assaulted and hurt. I think it's pathetic when the camera person filming the horrible experience and doesn't step in to help our fellow human being. There is something that rises up inside of me when I see injustice or victimization. I have to do something to help, no matter what.
     
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  41. Sino

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    I don't think I could just stand there and watch someone being brutally beaten. But, I do understand because that person probably didn't want to get hurt too. So, it's very situational with these types of things.
     
  42. Dejah

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    I can 't bare to watch or hear someone getting tortures or beaten to death. I was never a fan of any movie that had any type of gruesome scenes because it was always so gross to me and cringing. Even in the movies, I know its not real but it just looks so real and nasty and I can never watch through those scenes. Its just so sad how disgusting people really are and how they would stoop so low and do these kinds of things to another human being. Its crazy to think that people out in the world actually enjoy torturing people and watching them suffer. Like who in their right minds would think that is even okay to do. Most enjoy just watching and they are just as bad as the ones who are beating the poor innocent people. If I watch that stuff it will scar me for life and I will be seriously emotionally messed up for the rest of my life. My life would never be the same after viewing content like that. I just get chills just even thinking about it, its messed up.
     
  43. jeager

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    Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

    "Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King about the L.A. riots.

    NO!

    For well over 2 decades I defended those who could not defend themselves.
    I caught the nasties, the animals, and locked them up.
    I paid a terrible price.
    13 serious injuries, back broken 4 times, 3 concussions, both hands broken, 9 months in physical
    rehab learning to walk again and more.
    Had to take a total disability and leave as Lieutenant Commander of S.W.A.T, and would have become
    chief of police.
    ( yeah but at 48 I went to college, earned 2 degrees, retired again after 8 years at G.M.)

    Would I help and defend the victim today?

    HELL YES!

    Not because of who they are but because of who I am!

    If YOU are the type of character that could stand and watch or walk by an innocent being victimized
    then perhaps it would be good to google "coward".

    Was that a bit harsh to some here?
    Too bad.
    Grow a set and become human.

    Here, I googled it for ya!
    1. a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
      synonyms: weakling, milksop, namby-pamby, mouse, chicken, scaredy-cat;


     
  44. jeager

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    Here is a true life story about a coward.

    A man had a 15 year old daughter who was a high school cheerleader and a fine looking lass.

    An adult creep started following her home as she walked from school.
    She told her dad and he dismissed it.
    This became a daily occurrence and daddy dearest did nothing!
    One fine night at about 2 a.m. the creep enters the house, finds the girl in her bed, grabs her and
    drags her outside to his car.
    Mother jumps the creep and gets knocked out cold.
    Daddy grabs a .22 auto pistol and threatens the stoned out creep but does nothing.
    Momma awakes and calls cops.
    Cops show up as creep had daughter naked in the car while daddy is still threatening the creep
    with his pistol and does nothing.
    The cops beat the livin' snot out of the guy and he feels no pain.
    He's stoned. They beat him near to death before being able to restrain him.
    The dad did nothing.
    That fits the definition of a coward.
    Lay hands on mine or me or you and some miscreant dies. Slowly perhaps.
     
  45. Arkane

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    Are you talking from theory or experience there?
    As experience is vastly different to the theory bit!

    Been there done that and learnt a few lessons!

    .GOV in its many forms has assumed ALL authority over these matters, ones ONLY LEGAL course of action is to call the police/authorities
    and let them deal with it!
    General citizenry are expressly forbidden to take the law into their own hands
    So standing and watching is legally about it!
     
  46. jeager

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    Gee Arkane, I don't know where you live but I'd move.

    Here we have "stand your ground" laws.

    There is NO duty to retreat.
    Period.
    Deadly force is met with deadlier force.

    Sounds like you might live in Australia or the U.K.

    I visit Florida quite a bit. There if you go to a gun range, demonstrate you can load your
    weapon and fire one shot and you get a concealed carry permit on the spot.

    I carry and don't need a permit.
    But then the U.S. is the only nation with anything like a second Amendment.
    Thank God for the second Amendment.
    I guess that came from our Founding Fathers after we beat the snot out of the Brits and sent
    'em packing long ago.
    Then many decades later we had to save the Brits from the Nazis.
    My dad and 3 of his brothers fought the Nazis and all came home though all 4 were shot
    up badly.

    Were it not for American involvement the Brits might be flying the swastika.

    The Brits were flat beaten and driven to Dunkirk where 80% of weapons were lost
    with about 20% of the military.

    The Royal Air Force prevented an immediate invasion.
     
  47. wizzywiz

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    I could watch someone being tortured without feeling any remorse especially criminals, kidnappers, militants, terrorist etc. They have done more harm than good in our society so they deserve to be punished.
     
  48. jeager

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    I'm sorry you feel that way.
    Punished yes.
    Tortured no.
    What makes the torturer any better than the one being tortured?
     
  49. Arkane

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    Yep I live in Australia and even though we suffer less freedoms than the USA
    Australia is a far better and safer place to live! we have little need to defend ourselves so have very little need to be armed!
    I would not live in a country where fear would nessisitate being armed!
    Even if I could go armed in this fair country I have no need to!
    Our country is not the lucky country for nothing!:D:D:D:D
     
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  50. jeager

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    Perhaps I'll move to Australia.
    I SURE WON'T ever think of moving to England or France.
    Radical Islam is taking apart those countries.
    Bad deal.
     
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