Collapsing Of The United States

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  1. Max rigger

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    Spot on post LW but firearms are hot wired into American DNA. The 2nd Amendment is a convinient label to allow mass firearm ownership. I've worked with many Americans and have a handful I call true friends, most own or have no issue with guns some won't have a gun in their house but...its the norm to own a gun in many parts of the USA. Dad will buy his 12 year old a .22 rifle for his birthday...its normal for them. Brits are just not interested in owning one (and they can) and as you say, apart from the target shooters the bulk of legal firearms here are for hunting/vermin control etc.

    She sums it up better than I can.

     
  2. Old Geezer

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    Circa 1776, we Americans did NOT vote English troops out of our country.

    When rulers go dictatorial, the people casting ballots means nothing. Casting bullets sure does.

    Liberty often must be defended with deadly force.

    Sheeple, serfs, sycophants, toadies, "good little boys", ... are all the same thing. They are something that real men and women cannot respect. Adults lead free lives; they do not just do what they are told to do. If you push real men and women, they will spill your blood. Elitist controllers deserve to have their blood spilled on the ground.
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  3. lonewolf

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    liberty is one thing, the Wild West is something else and its now history.
    there are laws and whilst they still exist we need to follow them, anything else is Anarchy, which is what we are seeing in both our countries. people that take the law into their own hands are doing nobody any favours.
    if someone wants to change the laws then they need to use the system to accomplish that, by voting and if necessary putting themselves forward for election, doing it by force is not just wrong its illegal. and its the behaviour of the mob, mob rule should be resisted at all costs.
    I never did like bullies.
     
  4. Old Geezer

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    Today is the future's history.

    Human nature hasn't changed and is not going to change any time soon (centuries).

    When we Americans fought-off our oppressors, we did not descend into anarchy. And if we fight off our oppressors today, we will not descend into anarchy. Truth is that the oligarchs in power today are the very source of anarchy. They bring in peasants from other countries (and their violent behaviors) to have a herd over which to ride. Today's oligarchs overtly promote anarchy on our streets -- they call the looting and burning of BLM and Antifa "peaceful protest".

    History teaches that America's Wild West was FAR LESS violent than the cities back east.

    When "the system" fights individual Liberty, then you fight the system.

    During our 1776 revolution, at least 30% of our population were cowards and wouldn't fight. They were content with bending over.
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  5. lonewolf

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    I agree that both your politicians and our politicians are the reason why we have many of the problems today, they call BLM looting and burning "peaceful protests" because they are afraid of the Woke brigade and the Left in general. they fail to back the Police and over here the numbers have been cut and many Police have left voluntarily because they havent had the back up from further up the line, over here Police numbers have been falling year on year for the last decade.
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    An example of decadence in the U.S. . When I was in high school all self respecting boys carried a knife . We played knife throwing games at recess . I recall one boy that brought his shotgun and propped it up in the back corner of the class room , so he could shoot some squirrels for supper when he walked home from school . Our agriculture teacher would sometimes give all the boys a big long bladed kisser blade to go into the timber to clear underbrush . One boy brought his newly acquired pet possum and hung it up by its tail hanging in the back of a classroom closet . Nobody locked their doors at night --- We had zero problems with violence associated with our practices . -- We are now living in a violent un-disciplined era . Years later about 200 yards from that rural school building some black kids walked into an old country store and shot an old white woman multiple times with a 22 cal. rifle , just because they wanted to kill a white person . What has changed the people to become animalistic ?
     
  7. lonewolf

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    when we were growing up we had RESPECT, respect for our parents(thats parents PLURAL), we had respect for our teachers, we had respect for our neighbours and we had respect for our old time "bobbies" ( Policemen).
    now there is NO RESPECT for anything or anybody, most parents these days seem to be scared of their children and what they might do. they are afraid to say NO to them or to set guidelines, consequently the kids are feral and out of control.
    a lot of kids are now in street gangs especially in the big cities and killing someone or at least stabbing or shooting them seems to be the way to get into these gangs.
    of course when I was a kid we didnt have the drugs problems either.
     
  8. watcherchris

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    Negative Max....Negative..

    You are counting on the concept that most people do not know much history and in this you would be quite correct...

    However...not I.

    The 2nd Amendment says precisely nothing about hunting.....understand...nothing????

    The 2nd Amendment speaks of the security of a free state.

    The militia was and still is the people...Citizen Soldiers...armed Citizen Soldiers..


    Also ...for anyone knowing any history....it is clear that the British and George III did not trust the Colonialists with a state of the art arms....even back then.

    Did the British ever leave America or did they privily sneak back in and subtly and privily steer our leadership????

    We are not Englishmen....nor Continentals...nor of this world...


    For those of us who known history .....it does not do well from a ethical and moral standpoint to have a government who all to often arms people and nations who do not like us and then they often turn on us as well.

    We wind up all to often arming our next enemy....

    And our own government does not trust us to be armed with a state of the art arms.

    For those of us who can think for ourselves this does not make good nonsense......

    But it makes good politic.

    Understand now????

    Your point/points do not hold up in lieu of what happened in Nice, France...of recent...and the bombings in London some time back....

    Those determined will find another way.


    And the phonies and liars here try to define everything in terms of race....to cover up violence and such tendencies.

    You do not find people guilty who have committed no crime and remove from them their property ...and call yourself moral....and just...

    For those who have done some serious historical reading the warning of the founders is against your own government....causing insecurity.....and violating the rights of the people.
    The warning is against Unlimited Government.
    Absolute Power .....Divine Right of Kings.


    Like many on the left and in the world....you are trying to Con us Max.

    We Yanks are not beholden to the world and the world system..


    And Max..........I know the name of the god of this world and have so done for over 30 years now..

    And this is what lead me to discover Ishmaelites.....and Ishmaelite thinking....patterns.


    I do not travel to the East...up seven steps....but I know what it means...and have known for over 30 years now.....
    And this has lead me to a knowledge of the Occult religions...the World Religion and their god...by name.

    And I can see it among leadership.....and often world wide...

    I can see it big time on the phony left as well as the phony right....

    I can see it in a phony media ..including Fox News...

    "I shall ever conceal and never reveal....."

    And this is not accidental.....but it is for "Herding."

    I have read "Morals and Dogma " by Albert PIke.....a very interesting book for those who can handle it...and understand what they are reading...

    We are Americans..not of this world or the non standards of this world...

    We are also not subjects....


    And Also Max...

    We have all too many times bailed out the world with our finest blood when the World Religion has gone awry....

    We as Americans need to stop doing that...for we have all to many people buried around this world bailing out someone else's investments gone awry.




    Thanks,

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    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  9. watcherchris

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    Remember Max...,

    I handle U235 and install it into nuclear reactors...for a living.....and lots of it over the years..

    And these guys are worried about me with a gun and high capacity magazine...???? Really!!???


    One has to be professionally educated into advanced stupidity to think this way...and also proud of this professional stupidity.

    I don't hunt....I prefer fishing.... I do target shoot and reload my own ammunition.


    The average American out here with their television and or movie education has not a clue how many dangerous/hazardous materials are transiting through their towns, cities, and neighborhoods on any given day....not a clue...

    Best they do not. Best they keep to their steering wheels and or remote controllers....cell phones..Hollywood lives..and thinking.

    But not all of us...Max..


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  10. Old Geezer

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    Back in the latter 1700s, the American states did NOT trust any sort of national government. They were all too well aware of the conditions they left behind in Europe and they sure as hell were not going to put up with it on this side of the Atlantic. The colonists were armed and would have stormed their individual state capitals if their Liberty became threatened. So too with the states, so they demanded in the new Constitution that they would have the ability to overthrow the new government.

    The colonists were well aware of what disarmament meant. They not only got it from the micro-managing British, but authorities here in the colonies did NOT want them armed. Controlling people want to disable the people over whom they hold power. Distribution of power equals the controllers being put at risk. Speaking of which ...

    "There are only two forms of government. Ones where the people fear their government and ones where the government fears their people." Lord only knows who said that first! No doubt cave people said it. Chimpanzees gang-up and kill their leaders who have become bullies. Bullies and smart-alecks have a marked tendency to get critically injured or outright killed. I myself think that they deserve death.

    Americans are now discovering what happens when elitists come to power. The cities are burning and the toady MSM repeats the Big Lie of the centralized power people, "Don't worry this is how things should be!" The Heartlanders know that those in power are attempting to intimidate them with riots.

    The good thing is that over 2,000,000 Americans have purchased firearms in the last few months. Add them to the 70,000,000 citizens already owning them. I just read that more Black people are buying guns. Good!!! Responsible Black people are the number one target of savage Black people. Hopefully the good Black folk will "deal with" those among them that are dangerous and, let's face it, an embarrassment to Godly civilized Black folk.

    Hopefully if the Antifa and BLM armies of the fascist elite begin to move into Heartland America, they will be killed-off. It takes a while to infuriate normally-civilized folk, but this positive thing is now happening. God-fearing people are not used to having to deal with the collectivist anti-Christs. But look, it IS happening. Gun stores can't keep ammunition on their shelves. Antifa and BLM soldiers do not possess the intrinsic discipline to become effective soldiers, therefore they will retreat or die.

    Heartland America provides fuel and food for the cities. Heartland America needs to stop propping-up the dirty people.
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  11. Old Geezer

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  12. Max rigger

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    To many Americans the very concept of not being able to own firearms is alien to them. Come out into the rest of the world and the concept of pretty much universal gun ownership is an alien concept; neither view will change but you have to live with the mass shootings and we don't.

    Gaining a firearms certificate is still on my 'do list', I want to take up target shooting and not from a home defense point of view; purely sport.

    Talking of 'to do' lists, anyone else here have one? a 'bucket list' sort of thing?
     
  13. lonewolf

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    apart from owning my own house which I dont at the moment I dont really have a bucket list.
    I have done pretty much what I wanted to do during my life and I'm fairly content.
     
  14. poltiregist

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    The snow has finally melted enough for me and few more of my group to reach the remote mountain area we have targeted , to potentially buy another survival fallback position . This terrain is so rugged and steep we are considering all sorts of unconventional structures . On the table are a treehouse , dugout , rock house , cave , log house or simply pull in a camper . This bucket list will be investigated into becoming a reality in a few days .
     
  15. Old Geezer

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    As to most people on Earth being content to have government deny them the firearms they could possible need to defend themselves from the damned, I could not conceivably care less. Many people are overtly masochistic. Some women write love letters to their rapists who are doing time in prison. Some men like being beaten by other men. I am profoundly grateful to my Creator for His having granted me the inability to understand such sick behavior.

    Genetically intact, i.e. intelligent, adult human beings ARE able to control their behaviors. Adult humans do NOT allow their glandular desires to override their intellect. Subhumans are inferior to this task and thus should be neutered before they can reproduce; or if aggressive, be permanently isolated or eliminated from real humans.

    If on Earth, tomorrow, five billion sheeple were to be killed, I could not allow such to rend my heart. Strong souls defend not only the Will of God, but their own selves so that they may be soldiers in the service of God.

    Strong self-sufficient intelligent people who shun the rape of "being taken care of" have my deep and ongoing respect. When gathered round with such pleasant people, my heart is made joyous. Intelligence and goodly moral conduct make Peace possible. Following the Teachings of the Holy Prophets of God, make peace possible. Those who stand in opposition to the Will of God, those who pervert the Word of God, not only damn themselves, they also bring violence and chaos into the world, thus causing suffering for all humanity. The Holy books of the world's religions all state that such fallen souls are fit for the fire.

    When I hear the bleating of the weak and ineffectual, I get some puke in my mouth. Oligarchs need herds of grass-eaters.

    The only way to deal with a bully is with physical force. When I was a little boy, on two occasions I had would-be bullies start in on me. I punched each in the face. I hurt them. I made them cry. They stopped being mean to me. When a boy, during a football game, I had an opposing lineman larger than me try to intimidate me; therefore, I began slamming into him with all of the force of my body. I hurt him. It hurt me also, but now I had a cause. After hurting him, I hurt him again; followed by continual poundings. Finally, Mr. Arrogance was afraid to come to the line. I've had someone try to get into my house at 3:00AM, but I had a pump shotgun with 6 rounds of buckshot. When I discussed the situation with the would-be home invader, he made the correct choice to leave my property. I do not bluff; I have zero qualms about killing other human beings if they go aggressive. Negotiations mean NOTHING unless backed up by physical force.

    Anyone who believes that they were born on a nice planet where others of their species default to nice is either base ignorant or overtly delusional.

    I wish I lived in a nice world; however, I don't live in a nice world. Were I given a pair of "magic ruby slippers", which when clicked, would grant me any wish, I would proceed to punch the liar in the face who thought he could run some scam on me with his cheap red-sequined shoes.

    Weakness = inevitable subjugation

    The cause of aggression is the ready-availability of victims.

    There are no magic ruby slippers.

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  16. watcherchris

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    I've been out in the rest of the world.....was born overseas..I'm not impressed.



    Some of us know the difference in rights from God and privileges granted by the sovereign..

    Another 20 years of public schooling most will not know this difference.


    We are not beholden to the world for our standards....for we are Yanks and proud of it...

    If an American does not want to own a firearm...that is their business and right as well. No problem by me...



    Rights are granted from God......not from government. We are born with these rights.



    Privileges are granted from government..from the sovereign....

    The natural and historical tendency of governments seeking to increase their power over the people is to put them in the category of privileges granted by government/the sovereign.


    This stupid woman from Texas... Shelia Jackson Lee is proposing the licensing of firearms....registration .....taxes....even signing/registering for buying ammunition.

    These are all acts of granting privileges...not rights from God...licenses are privileges granted by the sovereign ..not rights from God.

    Rights from God are not licensed...ever...

    Thinking people know this ...


    So too is having to register what you purchase...

    Registering what you purchase is what happens when you use your card at Sam's club or BJ's or any such outlet ..even if you pay in cash...someone can follow your purchase to your membership card...and an address,,,,,and I think this was intended.
    This is not liberty and freedom.....a lack of privacy.

    Alot of grocery stores want you to use their store card ...for savings..but this only ties in your purchase to a name and address.....like the Sams or Bj's card...loss of privacy . It is no ones business what you are buying..

    And they want to do this with Ammunition too....while our government gives away huge amounts of ammunition and war supplies to governments who do not like us....

    Think about that....

    Be warned the Ishmaelites

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  17. watcherchris

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    Hold on a minute here.....hold on!!!! Stop!!!!!!! Stop the presses!!!!

    I had to rethink this Olde Geezer.......I almost did not catch it at first...



    That is not what politicians state...and particularly politicians backed up by Hollywood!!!

    Just vote for me!!!!!!!

    What is wrong with your thinking Olde Geezer????


    Watcherchris..

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  18. Old Geezer

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    WtchrChris, I was talking flim-flam men in general.

    But like you said, I need to come up with an analogy that applies to government lies.

    So, let me think this government analogy thingy for a moment ... hmmm .... well well well .... hmmmm .....

    I've got it! ...

    Government flim-flam politician sez, "Hey I have some emerald slippers for you!"


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    Same lie. Different color.

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  19. Old Geezer

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    The Democratic party went from these slave chains

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    to these slave chains:

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  20. Old Geezer

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    Dependency = Slavery
     
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  21. TexDanm

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    The fact is that criminals that shoot people are probably NOT going to say, I would kill someone today...but it is agaist the law for me to have a gun...

    The ONLY people that are affected by restrictive guns laws are the hoest law abiding citizens. Call a cop sometime and wait for an hour for them to show up. After that you understand that ALL the police are good for is to come and take a statement after the criminal is done with you IF YOU SURVIVED. In the end you had better plan to protect yourself or face the fact that you are only alive until someone decides to kill you.

    I have had a gun since I was 8 years old. I have never shot or killed anyone. I honestly don't know anyone that has used their gun to kill someone. I do know several people that sent a burgler running and a few that managed to avoid being harmed because they were armed. I am one of those people. It is pretty amazing watching 5 men that were planning on beating me to a pulp run all over eachother trying to get in a car and get gone when I pulled out a gun. LOL, it was a sawed off single shot 12 ga. I only had one shell but that one was more than enough.

    A gun in my pocket means that I can take and enjoy my long night time walks. Nobody wants to get shot. Even if several thugs try and jump you, a gun makes them decide to NO mess with you. Since ANYBADY in Texas can and may have a gun it tends to make bad people a little more leary of messing with solitary people.

    Personally I think that if someone shoots and kills an attacker, robber, or rapist they should be given a cash reward for eliminating a threat to our sociaty. Most two time convicted criminals can not be rehabilitated. They go to prison for a little while then are let out and they do it again usually withing less than a year.
     
  22. Dalewick

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    Max, Not one criminal has ever been stopped from committing a crime because of a law. The UK regulates knifes, doesn't it? Has that prevented any stabbings? The 2nd Amendment has never been about hunting or sport. It never will be.

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    One could say that the UK is somewhat responsible for the creation of our 2nd Amendment. Actions and consequences.

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  23. Max rigger

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    Basic guide to knife laws
    https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

    Basically you can carry a non locking knife with a blade length of 3" or under no problem. Lock knives or over 3" blades and you have to show a good reason to carry it; I've no problem with that. Ebay UK block knife sales which is not a good move really for hunters/campers/bushcrafters as it limits who you can buy off. For the average Joe a folding 3" is fine. The vast majority of knife attacks in the UK use cheap kitchen knives / garden machetes.

    2nd Amendment hinges on the word Militia

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    militia
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    noun
    1. a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
      "creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem"
      • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
      • (in the US) all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service."

    Your not in a raised militia, why do you need an assault rifle?

    The US constitution was heavily influenced by the Magna Carta and some of its core elements and some brits helped draw up the Constitution but that said I'm not sure they would all be happy with the modern day interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, depending on how you look at it its being abused. All amendments can themselves be amended but I can't see that happening anytime soon with the 2nd.

    Your happy with your gun laws/murders/mass shootings thats fine, its your choice but don't expect much support in your stance from the rest of the civilised world...you won't get any because the rest of the globe have got it all wrong and your country has got it right ;)
     
  24. lonewolf

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    every man and boy of my generation carried a "pocket" knife of some type or other, usually non locking as a lock knife was rare back then, and we never stabbed anyone with it or even thought about it, knives were for cutting string and wood or whittling, or we had a game where you threw the knife into the ground and the other person in the game had to stretch their legs to where the knife was, the first to fall over was the loser, cant remember what the game was called.
     
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      We called it stretch. Played the same as a kid. Played another we called mumbelly peg where the loser had to extract a 5 inch wooden peg that was hammered into the ground leaving about 1/2 inch sticking out, with there teeth. All boys carried a pocket knife where I grew up and also carried a sheath knife on our belts during hunting season, even in school. I don't remember one ever being used in a fight in the country. The city back then was different.
       
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  25. Max rigger

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    We played that in the Scouts and the army cadets (when no seniors were around), we called it 'splits'.

    Thankfully most of the knife crime occurs within the drug and general criminal community and I've no issue with the morons slashing/stabbing each other to death.
     
  26. Dalewick

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    Max, The militia is fine and well in rural USA (under definition 1). That's part of what the democrats and liberal hate so much. Many of us are veterans, (part of that regular army thing mentioned in the definition), and will straight up tell you there was no time limit on our oaths of service and that oath is to the country, not any politician or political group. We are just fine with our laws.

    As far as your civilized world goes. You might want to remember those words the next time the barbarians are at your doors and guys like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot are wanting what's yours. America might decide to not help the next time they and there kind show up.

    When it all boils down, the 2nd is about political choice and how much oppression from our own politicians we the people are willing to tolerate.

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  27. Old Geezer

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    Inferiors being unable to control themselves, must be controlled.

    Those who are fully human and thus capable of self-discipline need not be controlled. Indeed they raise their children to be civilized. The cycle of civilized behavior continues.

    Elitist controlling dictatorial government officials often impose restrictions on the civilized in an attempt to lower the savagery of the savages. Needless to say, this does not work. Knives and firearms are profoundly easy to manufacture, profoundly easy to smuggle from tin-roof mini-machine-shops all around this planet. Same is true of ammunition. Penitentiary inmates manufacture firearms and ammunition.

    Savages must be separated from civilized areas. This is why penal colonies were created.

    Dictating such laws to the civilized is an overt act of spitting in their faces. Elitists engaging in this war on Liberty must be punished. There must come a hellish backlash.

    A male who takes these impositions and smiles is not and never will be a man.

    Bullies must live in perpetual fear.
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    by Max Rigger,
     
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      Well said.
       
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  29. Old Geezer

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    "Illinoisans overwhelmingly oppose racial indoctrination now rampant in schools, yet they cower in silence"

    https://wirepoints.org/illinoisans-...t-in-schools-yet-cower-in-silence-wirepoints/

    "Perhaps that shouldn’t be surprising since even Californians oppose affirmative action. In November they voted overwhelmingly to retain their constitutional ban on affirmative action, which is another story that was buried. 'The margin of defeat, 56 to 44 percent, was striking to students of political history, because it suggests that race neutrality is more popular now than when it was initially mandated by a 1996 ballot initiative that passed by a slightly smaller margin,' said The Atlantic, which did cover it.

    "Most significant of all, however, is that over two-thirds of Illinoisans say they are afraid to speak up on these issues.

    "Why?

    "Because they fear the mob.

    "Sixty-four percent of respondents reported that they stop themselves from expressing their opinion on controversial political and social issues 'often' (30%) or 'sometimes' (34%), with an additional 18% doing so 'rarely,' according to the survey sponsor. No surprise there. National surveys, as the sponsor wrote, 'have repeatedly shown that political correctness has silenced important discussions—among students on college campuses and in the broader marketplace of ideas.'

    "Of those who reported self-censoring, 22.4% said the main reason they do so is because they are worried about unfair criticism, while 22.0% answered that they are 'worried about professional or academic consequences' for saying the wrong thing."
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  30. Max rigger

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    Nice bit of diversion in that post Chris, 10/10 for trying mate LOL ;) You have your guns, be happy :) I'll have one or two myself later this year when I get the chance to work toward my licence...I'm going to shoot the crap out of some poor defenceless targets :cool:

    Talking to a fella at work, nice bloke, he got a private pilots licence then got a divorce then bought a light aircraft. He said the training cost about 10K in yankee dollars which is cheaper than I thought. Any members here a pilot? (I'm diverting now a tad but serious question)
     
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    Dalewick,

    I was told by an retired Army NCO, working in this shipyyard, who at one time in Vietnam was a Beachmaster....who would stand on the beach with a clipboard and count off the vehicles coming off these navy ships..the kind with the big doors which open up when they get to the beach and the vehicles drive off.

    He kept noticing that there were vehicles coming off which were not on his list/manifest and that they were civilian...not military vehicles. Many of these vehicles had on them the logo of the civilian company to whom they belonged...many of them labeled...ESSO.

    He complained to his superiors and was told to shut up and get these vehicles onto the beach.

    So.....being an NCO...he goes to the NCO club and puts out feelers.....and learns something not in most of the history books.

    That these vehicles and companies are going up and down Vietnam...on and off shore and drilling for Oil....and when they find it they cap it off...secure it.

    Eventually they built another oil refinery in a place called the U Ming forest area...a huge oil refinery ...up to date..the latest wiz bang machinery and controls.

    What I learned from other thinkers.....was that when they were done.....they shut down the war and allowed the Communists to take over....and run the country....and the capped off oil as well.

    They did not want this oil on the market..but more important they did not want competing companies and or independents to get it out of the ground...

    A Communist government is way to stupid to create profitable conditions....way to stupid without outside help.

    But.....

    A Communist government is perfect for keeping the oil in the ground.....in essence keeping the whole country in storage....and off the market....and keeping competitors out.

    You'd best believe I have been thinking the same pattern as pertains to Radical Islam.

    Way to stupid to make progress happen...in particular economic progress....but perfect for putting nations and their economies into storage..

    Do you believe for one minute someone in this country with economic/social think tanks has not thought this through??

    It is also known by some people that there are two oil refineries in Vietnam...One in Hanoi and it has been there since before WW2 and we never bombed it...

    The other in the U Ming forest.

    The other oil refinery there since before WW2 in Asia is in Singapore....and again we never bombed it to deny fuel to the Japanese.

    If you wanted to quickly end the war....that is what you do...deny your enemy resources...war materials...in particular a modern military...Oil/Petroleum.

    Seems to me that Occidental Petroleum fulfilled their contracts to the Nazis unto 1943.
    I suspect a very covered up history.

    Are some companies bigger and more powerful than nations/Governments?? That would make some companies governments unto themselves.

    You know...like silicone valley!!!??




    Max Rigger....

    Just before Gulf War 1.....Margret Thatcher came to the Aspen Institute in Colorado to speak with the Elder Bush when he was president back in the early 90s.

    I know that the Aspen Institute is a British Think tank.....here in America.. and a place where Angle Saxon Superiority and Rule of the World is carried out on the United States as a junior partner/boot lackey.

    Up to that point the Elder Bush was not interested in getting involved in the Middle East problems.

    Margret Thatcher did not come here to persuade and or ask the Elder Bush...to help. She was here to give him his marching orders on behalf of the Crown Merchants and their investments.

    The Elder Bush went into that meeting a dove and came out a Hawk. He was told how his instructions were to go.

    Because he too is on the level and on the square..

    I knew back then this was going to be happening to protect someone's investments....someone not even American.

    But that is not how we got it in the news....

    IN the news ...all of a sudden we got new Hitler....just like they did to Trump.

    I have learned to understand this very important clue...that when someone uses the word Hitler...that I am automatically supposed to get on the bandwagon...stop thinking for myself and only obey...follow the herd...
    I mean...they used Hitler...did they not....what else can be said....they used Hitler.

    Subject closed.



    In E. C. Knuth's book

    "The Empire of the City"

    The author outlines the five ideologies of world control...

    and these five are ..



    Of these five ideologies only one survives today and that one is carefully covered up....
    Angle Saxon Superiority and Rule of the World....The Crown.

    All the others have gone by the wayside....including the Monroe Doctrine....after which we joined the Crown in secretly helping them with control of the world and world markets for a small share of the profits while the Crown, as usual,kept the Lion's share.

    This is a history never to be taught to people in lieu of social/racial pabulum of today....guilt and shaming social causes....while we are lined up for the next war....and following the next cue and clue when they drag out the Next Hitler.


    I don't think at all that there is an ammo shortage..

    I think the raw materials are being re routed to someone and somewhere else....and have thought this for some time now....

    Buckle up!!! Seatbelts and Shoulder Harnesses....trays in the upright and stowed position.


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    Olde Geezer.....

    It is starting to happen....more and more and more....as more Americans are waking up to the barrage of racial "Herding" which has been going on for some time now.....

    Americans are discovering that the official Government position is in fact racism against some people by race and in favor of others by race.

    Government itself is become officially racist while calling it Justice....it is neither.

    Americans are awaking up to this fingerprint going on...and I hope and pray that it will become a barrage not only against Government but against the media cheerleading for the current Government as well.


    I understood that our government was going this route of Ishmaelite Bondage back with the Obama administration and Obama Care..

    That some Americans would be put into social and economic bondage/involuntary servitude to pay more for their health care in order that others could get it for free.

    Very few Americans have the aptitude to realize that this is in fact what happened.

    And now they want to expand this kind of social/economic bondage/servitude program and call it 'Equity' when in reality it is Ishmaelite herding for votes.

    They want to do the same with these illegals...put them on the government breast and have the rest of us pay more and more and more ad nausea for it as they are doing in the UK and the Continent.

    To have Americans taking second, third, and fourth place in our own country....and even by race..just as is happening in Europe and the UK.

    I dare to say that the same internationalists who are running that program on the Continent and the UK are now running it here in America now that Trump has stepped down.

    And they have to manage the rest of us as they are so doing in the UK and the Continent to get away with it.

    Read that as dumb us down...to be more accurate.



    I also understood where this was going back with the Trump administration and this nonsense of White Male Privilege..Critical Race Theory..with what happened to expose it nationwide at the Sandia National Labratories....in Albuquerque, New Mexico as I personally know people who work there and am in phone contact with them to tell me what they knew and experienced themselves. And what they told me is pretty much what you heard in certain internet articles. Most of this was avoided by the phony MSM.

    This kind of government sponsored racism is now getting to where they cannot hide it...and people are waking up and learning that they do not want to be so herded.....nor their children in public schools.

    Americans want their children to become educated in public schools ...not programmed...not indoctrinated..

    These kinds of racial government sponsored programs are again...GFW Hegel...thesis, anti thesis, synthesis...or as I previously stated...."Good Cop/Bad Cop."

    They are also a continuation of Hegel's "The state is god"

    Or put another way.....it is government trying to go back to " Absolute Power...Divine Right of Kings."

    You have to know some history to catch it.


    Now...Olde Geezer....here is the irony of all this......


    It was an Englishman who put an end to "Absolute Power ...Divine Right of Kings" in the western world..

    It was Oliver Cromwell who put the head of King Charles 1st on the block and cut it off on 30 January 1649 and thus put an end to Absolute Power and or Divine Right of Kings.

    In order for us not to know this ...they have to avoid this piece of history.


    But again...and more important....

    What it did for this country and our Founders...


    And that was when any government seeks to expand/extend it's power and thus in so doing ....turns on it's people.....the people by way of Oliver Cromwell...have the precedent to turn on their rulers..

    The Founders realized that they did not have to go back to Ancient Rome, Greece, or Egypt....et al...for a precedent ..but only back about a hundred years to Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads...against King Charles 1st.

    And furthermore .....we as Americans ...are never to know this history as well...as it will never be taught to us in pubic school.....but avoided ...totally.

    We are not to know that it was an Englishman....who set such an precedent for us as Americans..to turn on leadership....when they get out of hand.


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    You are not to know, as Americans, that an Englishman put an end to Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings...and by this ...set the precedent for us of Limited Government.

    Since the English Civil War...no monarch of England has ever tried to declare themselves Divine Right....nor declare Absolute Power from God.


    Most people no longer know that in history when the Clergy put the Crown on the Kings head this symbolized that a King or Queens power was from God.

    With their power being from God...there was no limit to what Royalty cold do or not do in ruling a nation and people.

    Their power was absolute.

    And Cromwell put an end to this with the execution of Charles 1st of England.

    This was bad news for the King Club....bad bad news.


    Caesar....what did the word Caesar come to mean......absolute power ..divine right of kings.
    Caesar .god man...god with us..

    What did the word Kaiser mean???? It meant and implied the same thing...as Caesar

    Tsar??? It means Caesar....the protector of the faith.

    How about Emperor???? These were god men....whose power and authority were from God.


    But we are not to know this history as we are formed into a Secular people and government sponsored education tries to separate us from our religious beliefs and understandings and return us back to government being of Absolute Power and Divine Right of Kings.

    This is how we are returned back to Unlimited Government instead of Limited Government.

    By making an people ignorant of their history and their Religious beliefs...thus leaving the field to a very secular government....who are themselves proxies for someone or something else...wanting to be unseen or unknown.

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    Here...coming to a neighborhood near you soon enough...more official government sponsored and promoted racism.

    I knew this was coming back with a vengeance...for racism is the very best intelligent, educated, Illuminated people in government can do to get Unlimited Government needed to properly herd people .

    Herding people to comply by race ..by official government sponsored and controlled racism...while disguising it as "Equity."

    I knew when first I heard the word..."Equity" that we were being gaslighted. That government was sponsoring official government racism for power and votes.


    "By the content of their character and not the colour of their skin" is what was taught by Martin Luther King...


    But government by their intellect and reason ...is now sponsoring the very reverse...By the their skin colour ....not the content of their character.

    This is official government sponsored demonism...

    Here ...coming across this country soon enough......to a neighborhood near you.


    GOP Reps Push Back on Biden's Critical Race Theory Proposal | Newsmax.com


    Remember...they must have a bad guy ...they must manufacture bad guys to control the herd....and here is one method.

    This works best on young people with little thinking, experience, ....or historical knowledge...but high on emotional instant gratification.

    Be Warned the Ishmaelites...preying on your unguarded emotions and lack of knowledge.

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    Oh...by the way before I forget....


    Whenever in the news you hear of this "Special Relationship " America has with England....

    They are talking about our boot lackey relationship with the Crown....the London Merchants to protect their investments world wide when called upon.

    It it is not a relationship with the British people per se..but with the Crown...Merchants.

    It is also not a relationship with the Royals of England as well.


    I have known this for a long long time now having been taught this history by Learned Elders versed in both History and Religion...including Occult Religions.

    Most people .....do not know what is The Crown in this "Special Relationship" to which America and Americans all to often find themselves obligated with their resources and finest blood.

    Remember this what I am posting here in this thread...because they slip this in almost un noticed in the news about this "Special Relationship" with England... but having been taught..I catch it right away when they so do....and I understand.

    And remember something else....these people in the Crown ,of which I am describing, are loyal to no government or country/people...including England...they are loyal to their power and profits. And this goes way back into ancient times.
    Even unto the money changers in the temples.


    And this story and history continues right unto today.


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      I had an uncle that had fought in Borneo in WW2 and several other locations along side the Brits. He taught me much of what your speaking of and I didn't appreciate it properly as a kid. I remember and appreciate it now. If the peasants understood all that is...the streets would flow in blood.
       
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    "Special relationship" dont make me laugh, thats a one sided relationship loaded all in favour of the US.
     
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    Not exactly lonewolf....and in a manner unknown by many including Englishmen and certainly not Ameircans.

    And that is that England has had her hands tied for years and years by the European Union....

    I am very gratified to hear about England resigning ala Brexit....to where England can get the profits from her production and or goods and services and not have to by treaty sell as European Union prices...and thus cutting into their profits.


    Most Americans know little about this history.

    England should have done this years and years ago to keep the profits from Her labor...and industries.


    As treaties go...I am in agreement with the First President George Washington who is quoted as saying....Trade with everyone treaties with no one..

    I do not know nor keep up with the Results to this day of Brexit but I suspect that in textbook British manner there are powerful people trying to torpedo Brexit.....for their profit...or the profit of someone not wanting to be seen or known...which is how these things usually work.

    As far as I am concerned ...someone has been for years ..making a killing off of the European Union and willing to put whole nations into economic and social bondage to keep this going.


    And so too it is here in America with this leftist government and their up and coming "Rabid spending."

    This is going to be a subsidy on the public breast of people on the inside of getting these payments....for votes to continue this scam.


    Oh...and the "Special Relationship" to which I refer...is that when these monied people and their investments world wide become in jeopardy .....America and her military is often called in in some aspect when the UK and these internationalists cannot handle it and this has happened all to often.

    However...it is very fortunate for these Monied people...these Internationalists...that Americans know so little history ...even their own history.

    In this manner they can get away with this scam...over and over and over...

    All they have to do is say..."Hitler" and these stupid ignorant Americans get on the band wagon and stop thinking for themselves.

    Ishmaelites run wild.


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    Could you expand on what the USA receives out of this relationship. Having a US perspective apparently skews how I look at the relationship. So a British perspective would be appreciated.

    Dale
     
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    Dalewick,

    The proof is that only Americans can be so intrinsically stupid...as to go all over the world ....one war after another after another.....and not bring home any spoils...

    The victors are supposed to get the spoils....right???

    Only Americans can be this intrinsically stupid and continue to survive.

    However....to be fair to the Englishmen here......before WW1...it was Englishmen and Frenchmen who went around the world dying and fighting for the Crown's profits...and were suitably buried all around the world.

    I am not even sure many Englishmen today understand this history....and what it took to hold together "The Empire."


    The other history not told to people is that after Waterloo....it was and became the French with their La Grande Armee which was to go about the world and fight and die for Crown Profits...as is America today....

    However...again in true British/Crown practice...the Crown got where the people and the stuff was and the French got the leftovers wherein they had to march thousands of miles to get anywhere or anything...like Indochina or Morroco.

    By WW1 it became clear that both the British and the French could not handle the Germans and we were called in to make up the difference and have been so doing since...in this "Special Relationship,"

    Our Special Relationship has replaced the previous Special Relationship once held by the French to the Crown.

    And just like the French ....we get little spoils for all our efforts..



    If you members think this is a bunch of hot air.....consider Japan....

    Before WW1 and in the Orient and the Boxer Rebellion....Japan was armed and fed technology and know how....lots of it....

    They were groomed to become the policemen for the Crown's profits in the Orient. Japan would protect the investments for the Crown in China in particular....and America playing only a small part.

    But Japan awakened to something by the 1930s...and that was they were getting disgusted with the Crown getting the Lion's share....and Japan with her growing industries getting the scraps.

    Japan made plans to get the resources and trade routes in the Orient...to go it alone..and turned on her handlers...even to the point of joining with other nations who themselves were disgusted with the Crown getting the Lions share while others took the Risks.

    Sound familiar ..just like today does it not??

    But that is not how your history books read....does it.



    Who taught Japan to build aircraft carriers and man them on the blue water..
    Who taught Japan to build submarines and other surface ships...

    Who taught Japan how a modern army works...

    Aircraft too???

    This know how had to come from the west..

    I can figure this out because for years and years now I have worked to build Submarines and also worked on these Nimitz class carriers and am familiar with the technology and know how...the costs...on a nations economy...people..

    But you never hear a word of this while someone is playing us with good cop/bad cop...another Hitler....dumbing us down.

    We are not supposed to ever be able ot think this far while we are fed distractions...and illusions as to how conditions truly are.


    Dalewick....

    To be frank...there are some days ...when I am truly astonished and at the same time disgusted with my fellow Americans and how incredibly stupid they really are..

    And these people are voters!!!

    And yet...probably I should not be.

    There have been a small bunch/group of people I know who are starting to do the math..and realizing the numbers are not coming up correctly....but know so little history....versus movies and television.

    One of the first things I try to teach them is to stop trying to describe so much that they see or know...or can analyze in terms of some movie or television program they have watched..

    To be aware of this misleading tendency and programming...
    They are running someone else's program..someone else's thoughts...emotions....not even their own and know it not.

    It is a place to start deprogramming them.


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      WC, The last war America fought for Americans was the civil war and even that was all about foreign commerce. Probably more than actually known. On second thought, probably the Revolutionary War was the only war we got anything out of. Maybe 1812.
       
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    Interesting thing I learned here....

    I own a WW 2 Japanese Type 99 Arisaka rifle still with the Emperors Chrysanthemum on it. It has not been ground off as have so many today. What is interesting to me is that when the Japanese upgraded from the 6.5mm Japanses cartridge they went to this which is often called the 7.7mm Japanese.
    This rifle has the rattley dust cover and bayonette with it...monopod too.

    When I reload for this calibration I take a standard 30.06 caliber brass case and reform it in a 7.7mm Japanese die...using plenty of lubrication. Then I cut it off to the proper length for the 7.7mm Japanese case, prime , powder and I insert a .303 British bullet into it. Usually a 150 grain bullet.

    I've not shot it in years and years but have put back plenty of ammo manufactured in the above description and thinking I need to make more.

    This rifle is in surprisingly good shape as compared to later years production when the quality control fell so bad in their desperation to produce war materials.

    It is also reasonably y accurate for what it is in iron sights.

    When I realized the history ..I found it interesting that the Japanese would choose the .303 calibration.

    Watcherchris
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      Choosing to use ammunition that you can use captured materials from your enemy but they can't use yours, is tactically smart. The Russians have done it to us for years. ie, we use 81mm mortars and Russian is 82mm. They can use our captured mortars in there tubes but we can't use there's. If I remember the heavy machine gun works on the same principle. and some other weapons.
       
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    its all about what America wants, Britain is very much the junior partner and always has been, NO American will ever be handed over to British authorities for a crime committed on British soil but the opposite is not the case.
    now we have Biden interferring in British politics i.e. Northern Ireland.
    we had Obama before him interferring in Brexit which was none of his business.
     
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    I do not believe that we should be interfering with British politics local or international...that is your responsibility.

    There is something going on here for which very few people are aware.both in the UK as well as here in America.

    And that is that there are certain American families with deep social and political ties....to governent and they have been there since before the American Revolutionary War and the founding of America.

    And they have very strong ties to the English Government and some even to the Royals.


    They have often used their influence to steer American Politics to favor their connections and profits...not only for themselves but for non Americans as well.

    Not just in America but within the Canadian Government and influencial families as well.

    One of them is the Bronfman family.....House of Segrams....yes...Crown Royal, Canadian Club et al. They are much much bigger than liquior....much much bigger.

    I first ran across this information by an Author named Lyndon LaRouche....back in the 1980s...and he caught alot of flack for telling these connections and naming names...as well as corporate names.

    In short what Lyndon LaRouche was doing which got him in so much trouble and he wound up in Jail....just like Roger Stonje and Rudie Guilliani...today...is hanging out the laundry of the Conspiracy..back then...and today ...the Deep State and it's connections to present leadership.

    This is a huge no no.....

    There have been other people in this country speaking up and telling names and corporations....on both sides of the Pond.....and have come under alot of flack for so doing ....and even some of these others went to jail for so doing.

    For educating and awakening Americans and others.

    The internet today has greatly aided in the proliferation of this information....,


    Knowing this information and who profits....is key....


    One of the most dastardly and destructive wars carried on by the Crown Merchants in history and which is greatly covered up in most history books if not totally avoided is "The Opium Wars."

    And I think this war is still going on today with new players and techniques...technology and diversity in products...et al.
    Updated and diversified.

    I also think that certain aspects of government/governments are secretly/privily involved on an international level...within and across borders. Corruption in high places..with drugs.

    And if governments are in on it ...it also means the government shills/cheerleaders are also in on it...the MSM.


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    Lot of oil down Vietnam way and they know it. Their economy is doing well and are spending a lot exploring fields which they need to feed industry/economy.
     
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    Antifa threatens Portland mayor

    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, socialist guy

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/fbi-probe-veiled-death-threat-against-portland-mayor-report/

    "Portland police and the FBI are investigating a veiled death threat against Mayor Ted Wheeler, days after he promised to “take our city back” from the 'anarchist mob,' according to a report.

    "The chilling threat was made in a video on Twitter Wednesday night in which a self-confessed Antifa loyalist vows to continue rioting in the Oregon city — and includes the mayor’s home address as a warning, The Oregonian said.

    “'Blood is already on your hands, Ted,' says the video’s narrator, wearing a full-face mask and with an 'Anonymous'-style altered voice.

    “'The next time, it may just be your own,' the narrator warns in the two-minute video — with a menacing chuckle as his address is posted.

    “'Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright, the destruction to your precious way of life is is going to escalate,' it warns.

    “'Window smashing and riots are a necessary escalation when those in power have proven that they are unwilling to listen,' the video’s narrator says."


     
  45. lonewolf

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    the US (govt) has been interfering in other countries politics for decades, not just the UK, its called "Regime change", if they dont like what a foreign govt is doing they try to change that govt. its well known.
    currently its interferring in the Nord Stream 2 European natural gas pipeline.
     
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    Sorry lonewolf...this is not the American people per se..but the bought and paid for US Government working as a boot lackey for the Crown...aka...the international deep state merchants.

    In the Heydays of the Empire...the British Government was doing the same thing and this is covered in the book by E. C. Knuth..

    "The Empire of the City."

    This is that non representative government of which I often speak...representing someone's interest but not the American people per se..


    Yes...the US Government has been interfering on behalf of many companies and their profits...world wide....and many of them not even American.

    Years ago a General by the name of Smedley Butler was to write of this in his book "War is a Racket" and he outlined how our military was used as an extension of securing profits for many of these companies and even other nations and their profits.
    That he operated as a gangster enforcement arm for these banks and insurance companies...industries.

    One of the companies for which his branch of the military often secured nations and governments was called back then ....The United Fruit Company in Central America. And Smedley Butler speaks of this in his book.

    Today this company goes by another name...Dole..

    Most Americans know more about the Kardashians than this history and this is not accidental..but deliberate.


    I knew of this corporate/banking/insurance history going into the first Gulf War..and again with the second Gulf War...that the Second Gulf War was only a continuing of Deep State policy and also that when it broke in the news...that we should be bringing Iraq oil to America to pay for our war expenses. I knew that this would not be happening when it broke in the news...because it would lower prices at the pump...this would not be allowed..by Globalists/Deep Staters.


    I knew that Gadaffi of Libya would be killed in the take over of his nation by the Deep State....

    Because Gadaffi was doing something verily not allowed....He had amassed sufficient gold in his nation to begin coining his own gold monies/coinage and put it into circulation. A big huge no no in a banking system dependent on fiat phony currencies.

    Also Gadaffi was doing something else which was of alarm to Deep State Internationalists....
    He was drilling for water ...not for oil..but water. Also building huge water reservoirs to hold this water he was pumping out of the ground...making Libya green.

    What Gadaffi would have done was to make his nation independent of the world banks dependent on phony fiat monies.

    Much much worse...he was planning to teach the other African nations how to do this and break away from the stranglehold of the Internationalist Deep State banking system...a huge huge no no.

    But again ..this is not how your history books read...nor our phony MSM.

    I am not making the point here that Gadaffi is or was a good guy...only that he was coming into conflict with other not good guys.

    The Internationalist Global System does not tolerate independents which is why they hated Trump.
    Trump thought he was a real President....Biden knows better..

    And that is the change for which many Americans are noticing after four years of Trump.....that we do not have leadership today...but someone trying very hard to herd America and Americans back into internationalist Deep State controls...as was the case with so many Presidents going back to the Boxer Rebellion....Deep State puppets..

    I don't think most Americans know or have even heard of this history but they can sense that the numbers are not adding up correctly with what is going on out here...nationally and even internationally.


    Be Warned the Ishmaelites..herding how we think and come to know history.


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  47. lonewolf

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    read my post again WC, I DID say US GOVT- the govt was in brackets as in "US (govt).
    dosent matter who was the President the Government policy has been the same for nearly 50 years. the only exception "may" have been Trump but I'm not sure if that was the case.
     
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    Question...If private citizens are not allowed to be armed then if things get bad what kind of "militia" would they be able to form. Bows and arrows against guns didn't do very well for the Native Americans even when the guns were muzzle loaders. Any government that fears to have its citizens armed is a government that is already heading towards deciding that they are not trustworthy enough to be led by and elected government. If he thought that he could I am sure that Biden would make himself king. Our guns ensure that we will STAY free. Refusing to give them up to the British Crown is what MADE us free.
     
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    Yeppers, we interfeared with Germany's plans twice. Next time we need to keep our noses out of things that are none of our business.
     
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  50. lonewolf

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    time moves on Tex, that was 2 centuries ago, and its not that Brits arent allowed guns but that we have to have a genuine reason for having one not just wanting one , normally for work reasons or leisure(clay/skeet shooting club for instance), all of which is done is a licenced manner ensuring someone is fit to own a gun and hasnt a criminal record or a mental affliction which would bar them from owning one.
    you see many people here have a modern urban lifestyle and do not wish to kill an animal for sport or for food. consequently the number of gun crimes in this country is low, very low.
     
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