Earthquake Mass Exercise

Discussion in 'Earthquake' started by Pragmatist, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:55 PM.

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  1. Pragmatist

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  2. varuna

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    They might wanna learn from these ;







    Business establishment took the hardest ;



     
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  3. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    One of the major problems in the US is that much of the population has combination fatalists and socialists.

    They get subsidized houses in areas they are not prepared for. When tragedy occurs, the governmental agencies are expected to "help out".

    The pictures won't work for them. They'd probably ask about good places to stay in Bali.
     
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    Those that survive the quake and tsunami will do fine IF they have enough preps. Two weeks is so not enough.
     
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    I honestly doubt most people even had the original 3 days of supplies suggested. Now asking them to have 2 weeks is really really optimistic. And for longer than that 99% will never go that far.
     
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    It is amazing how many people have zero or near zero food in their home. They "order in" meals and have food delivered. Or they go to those "All you can eat" places like Golden Corral or Morrison's. This is especially prevalent in the southern states of America.
     
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    I'm not sure what would make you think that.
     
  8. varuna

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    Some Oz Bogans has already making attempt to do so.

    Have you ever seen with your own eyes the aftermath of a 9 RS earthquake + tsunami with all the dead bodies still laying on the street side, or been in a situation where there is probable big tsunami heading your way?

    The thing about earthquake + tsunami not only they bring down structure but they could also trigger Soil liquefaction. This is what they look like, notice the moving houses in the background. A 16' high tsunami struck afterward.



    No matter how much you were prepping, all those supplies could be taken by mother nature. Don't get wrong, I'm not saying that one shouldn't be prepping for earthquake + tsunami because soil liquefaction or tsunami or may not even be triggered, however when it does all those supplies will be gone. And forget about trying to outrun any tsunami, the water is just too fast.

    Now back to these videos ;





    That small island (Gili Trawangan) has enough foods, booze, fuel for at least 3 days and also a fresh water supply. I know that for certain because back when I was vacationing there about a year before the earthquake, I did ask around the local folk regarding their supply chain situation. What was happening in those videos was mass panic & hysteria that was triggered by combination of hoax / fake news chain message and their local guide who end up dead during the earthquake (can't say I blame those tourist though)
     
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  9. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    You introduced here a topic not yet really covered: mass panic and hysteria.

    The formal name within the emergency management scheme is designated "secondary hazards". Frequently enough, the secondary hazards are worst than the initial emergency event.

    Texas is our lead state trying to get legislation passed to assist responders.
     
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  10. varuna

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    If I were there on that island during that Lombok earthquake, I would stay put rather than joining the crowd. There are plenty of foods, drinking water, along with all kind of booze, and not to mention plenty of coconuts tree for me to climb (with coconuts on them) if the tsunami came. Plenty of abandoned boats too (with enough fuel in them)

    Fun fact, during the Fukushima Daiichi incident, the majority of the casualty was due to the evacuation rather than exposure to radiation.

    The only thing that can help responders are funding to buy equipments, conduct training, and operating cost (logistic support ain't cheap)
     
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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    Immediately after Lombok, how would you know if the "fresh water source" was or was not contaminated by a dead body ?

    Yes, Fukushima's secondary hazard, the evacuation (and the shelters), was worst than the primary event.

    Actually, no, it's not the funding that's the problem - although this exists - . It's a need for security equipment to be authorized by the government. When authorized, funding will arrive. Two years ago, a private citizen shot a rifle at fire fighters in north California. Texas and Louisiana also has some "concerns". So far in eastern Virginia (my area), it's somewhat safe because of the large military and Federal LEO presence.

    The New York City Police Department (NYPD) has successfully tested a large group of LEOs (with rifles) and medics as a joint rapid reaction group - such as to enter a school when there is still one or more active shooters present. I believe NYPD is setting the stage for the near future.
     
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    Alaska had a 9.2. I was far enough from the epicentre that I slept through it. People died both north and south of me from the tsunami. We own a marina but it was protected from the tsunami. Friends of mine were on their boat and found themselves in the middle of downtown Kodiak when all was said and done. Another friend was towing rafts of logs and was, three times, moved backwards quickly. No, I have not personally lived through the experience of a quake and tsunami but many of my friends have. Through the photos, videos, first had reports of my friends, and my personal experience with quakes into the 7's I believe I've got a better than average awareness of quake/tsunami survival.

    I believe that my home is high enough that a tsunami would never reach me. If I'm wrong hundreds of thousands will die before I do.
     
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    The fresh water source are bored well, and dead bodies only exist within what was a structure. Furthermore we here doesn't consume any water coming from any well, river, etc. Most people here only consume bottle water (there are always exception though). And There are an abundant amount of bottled water, foods, and booze on that island in any given day. Furthermore I've got Aquamira Frontier Max as part of my kit :D, although with the amount of bottled water and fresh coconuts around me it is extremely unlikely I need to use it.
     
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    Up until early Oct 2018 I had similar line of thinking as you do regarding distance from possible earthquake or tsunami source, to the point I've only prepping for building fire and disturbance of utility service (power & water). As turn out I was wrong. In Oct 10th 2018 I was hit by deep earthquake of 6.4 magnitude, in term of of intensity at my location it merely 2 MMI and only those of us who were still awake at the time felt it. However the earthquake has the potential of triggering undersea mudslide of which could trigger major tsunami or creating fissure that could release various gases into the surface (this whole city was a former oil field).

    Which is why my current line of thinking is more of riding out the initial hit and bugging out to other city / town afterward.
     
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    Good morning Varuna,

    Good news re water source plus your augmented kit.
     
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