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Discussion in 'Guns, Knives, Tools, Etc.' started by Aneye4theshot, Jan 21, 2016.

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  1. Aneye4theshot

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    Guns are dangerous but are very useful tools if you can use them correctly. Never put your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot. Do not take the gun off safety unless you are ready to shoot. But most importantly do not aim the gun at any person even if you are a reloading, or the gun is empty. In a survival situation, things are a little bit different. You only have the bullets that you bring with you, so unless you are breaking the law and caring ammo boxes you probably don't have that much ammo.
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    In the worst scenario, the bullets can be used for more than just shooting. You can utilize the gunpowder to start a fire and in serious situations, you can pour the gunpowder on a cut or wound and ignite the powder which burns the flesh and stops the bleeding. You always have to worry about conserving your ammo and out in the wild, you cannot make or just get more ammunition. So what do you do with your gun when it runs out of bullets? Unless you are super sentimental to your gun, I would utilize the parts to make sparks to start fires and to make blunt objects for weapons because of the hard metals.
     
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  2. TheJim

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    Hmm... I'd hope that the standard 100 rounds of 22 LR would be sufficient in a survival situation. Survival is trying to get back...at any given time I have upwards of 300 rounds of LR. So it's kinda like American Express I don't leave home without it!
     
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  3. Tom Williams

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    Al
     
  4. Tom Williams

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    Allways remember guns make noise so you are located by noise ! Make each and every shot counthead shots best bad people die and dont waste meat one shot one kill is a must
     
  5. Arkane

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    Since I was 12yo my hunting standard is head shot or no shot regardless if it was a spear gun, power head, bow, spear, slug gun, ,22LR rifle or a bloody great centrefire
    I very rarely miss but don't always get a shot away
     
  6. Tom Williams

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    Anytime son i will even use your guns lol
     
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  8. Tom Williams

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    Buy good quaity ammo in bulk i buy 1000 rounds at a time sight weapon in good to go for at least 990 rounds shoot weapon clean weapon ive been buying ammo from cheaper than dirt for many years buy same ammo same brand and load grain of bullet each time good to go
     
  9. Arkane

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    Just been through and de-primed and resized 700 12g hulls
    Just waiting for some fibre wads then into loading with 7/8oz slugs (home cast with Lee mould )
    Not worth reloading shotshells as they are so cheap but as I have the lead I can load slugs far cheaper than buying them!
    Only 700 this time as that is all I can fit into my ammo chest! desperately need more space for ammo.
     
  10. Tom Williams

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    I have reloader that reloads all my shells i save reloads as last rounds to use tho we are very careful as we reload to be sure they are safe to use
     
  11. Arkane

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    Here I can get shotshells in most sizes for 35c each and it costs more to reload like about 50c each!
    Slug rounds cost nearly $2 each and I can reload for about 60c each
    So I reload my used shotshells with slugs and mark them so!
    My 500litre ammo box is just about bursting, will need another soon!
     
  12. Tom Williams

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    In house with shotgun i use 12g 8shot 2 3/4 in shell put man down good but dont blow house apart slugs is your shotgun barrel rifled or smooth bore ?
     
  13. Arkane

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    Smoothbore and I get 4in groups at 100m but about 4in low compared to factory slugs!
    I could up the charge somewhat but see no real need! as my shotties get used by many learners at times and it is not a macho contest!
     
  14. Tom Williams

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    My ulti mag with rifle barrel 12g shot slugs in a 1in groyp at 100yards
     
  15. Tom Williams

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    That little rifle is a cheap made rip off of the real survival rifle it was a 410 shot gun under a 22 lr great gun to find
     
  16. Arkane

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    My shotties are single barrel break open exposed hammer jobs CBC651
    $150 each simple as simple can be!
    I can maintain one round every three seconds for as long as my ammo lasts!
    Not as fast as my old A5 but no stoppages either! shoots everything I feed it, even 3in rounds!

    As I hunt pigs at night each shottie has a torch and laser mounted as well as a multipurpose sling!
     
  17. Tom Williams

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    I have a old h&r 12g like that be same gun nice shotgun work well for alot of uses
     
  18. Arkane

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    Only got to reload 400 12g slugs
    300 were a different brand and the primers are a loose fit!
    Wont get that brand again!

    Oh well 400 is ok for now! cant fit any more in the ammo box anyway!
    Got a few weeks to organize another ammo box now!
     
  19. Keith H.

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    Can you tell me what parts of a modern gun can be used to make sparks & how please?
    Keith.
     
  20. TexDanm

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    The picture on top is an AR-7. It has been around for a long time and is in general a fairly decent emergency weapon. It has been made by several different companies; I think Henry is making it currently. I have one it is a good truck carry gun. The barrel is aluminum lined with a steel liner. I'm not sure how to make sparks with it but it is pretty good in a bind. Personally I prefer my Ruger 10-22 with accessories for survival type use though. As far as ammo...as much as you can have will never be too much. If nothing else you can use 22LR ammo as trade materials. People with guns will always come out on top if they get in a fight with people without guns. Survival means that you need to be prepared for the unknown. In this world people with guns are just a fact that you need to be prepared for.
     
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  21. Tom Williams

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    I highly recommend rifle and pistol of same caliber one ammo good for both cal is your choice. For people untrained with guns bolt and revolvers safest to train on and easy to clean and maintain
     
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  22. Para173

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    Can you tell me what parts of a modern gun can be used to make sparks & how please?

    You take one cartridge and remove the projectile/bullet. You put the propellant where you want the fire to develop or grow. You place the cartridge that doesn't have the bullet in it into the chamber of your rifle or other firearm. You point the muzzle of the weapon at the gunpowder or propellant that you had spread around and fire off the primer. A spark will come out of the barrel and ignite the gunpowder for you.
     
  23. Tom Williams

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    I do not recommend the use of gunpowder or a firearm for starting a fire NOT A GOOD IDEA too easy to buy a pack of bic lighters safer chheaper and just makes better use of ammo old muzzle loaders with flint can be a way to start a fire even still buy bics
     
  24. TexDanm

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    I've actually done what you are talking about and the problem is that the primer blew the powder all over the place. There are just so many better ways to make a fire. I use the one is none, two is some and MAYBE three might be enough when it comes to fire making things. More on another thread.

    I agree about the one caliber for guns thing. I do it with the 22LR (Ruger 10-22 and Taurus 94 22LR revolver and then again with a Ruger 357 mag revolver and a Winchester 94 Trapper lever action. I like the 38/357 because with reloads I can cover a wide range of loads for animal from bunny through White Tail Deer.
     
  25. Keith H.

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    But the scenario was, no ammo left & the remaining parts of the gun are used to create sparks, this is from gun metal, not a high carbon metal. I fail to see how this can be done or why anyone would want to try given that they should be carrying fire making tools anyway.
    I would not bother even asking, but the fact is that there is a lot of info being posted here that is NOT coming from experience, it is fiction or guesswork. This is pointless. It offers no useful information for beginners or the experienced. I for one have had a lot of experience, but I am sure that I still have a lot to learn. I am learning nothing from these made up posts.
    Keith.
     
  26. Tom Williams

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    Once fire is going keep it going light warmth and a feeling of ok we safe from fire strikeing a firearm for sparks too many other better ways to make fire
     
  27. TexDanm

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    The thing about striking sparks with carbon steel isn't what most people think. What it takes is a piece of steel that has been tempered and hardened to just the right level. Too soft and it just gets shaved off and too hard and it doesn't scrape anything off. What you are doing is taking a sharp edge of a piece of flint rock that is harder than steel and then more or less quickly cutting little pieces off the steel with the rock. The friction makes those tiny little pieces red hot so that if you catch a little piece on something that is flammable enough it will start the fire from that smoldering ember. I usually make and use char cloth to catch the spark. This doesn't work with just any old piece of steel that you pick up. It doesn't work at all on stainless steel. I can and have made fires from flint and steel but the steel used was specially made to be used for this both in shape and in hardness. Some good carbon steel knifes can be forced into this use but most are too soft.
     
  28. Tom Williams

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    When it becomes time to kill someone afterwards all weapons ammo become yours to use weapons of oppertunity is what this is store these iteams away from your base camp to use when needed allways store these supplies away from base they may be contamineted with ????
     
  29. TexDanm

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    I already have stashes out and away from my location. My containers are water tight, air tight and filled with nitrogen to prevent corrosion. I hope to be a part of a sort of community of like minded folks and not all alone. Whether I will "collect" the spoils of war will depend on what caused the problem. Biological problems would mean I wouldn't get close to anyone. Otherwise I will salvage whatever comes my way. If someone attacks us they forfeit everything including their life. I will most likely try real hard to keep a low profile and avoid trouble as much as possible. The best way to win a fight is to not fight one.
     
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  30. Keith H.

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    Good one Tex.
    Keith.
     
  31. Arkane

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    " People with guns will always come out on top if they get in a fight with people without guns."
    NOT ALWAYS !
    guns are just tools, they do not make stupid people smart but they do give you better odds if you are stupid!:cool:
     
  32. Para173

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    Look, when you are in a survival situation, you WILL learn to be inventive. That means using a firearm to start a fire too. I've seen it done. I also got to see a couple of not-so-bright guys take a hammer, nail and some pliers to smack the rear end of a cartridge to start a fire too. The idea is that, if you EVER need to do so, do not discount using a pistol or rifle cartridge, in an emergency, as a means to start a fire. Put the information in the back of your mind and forget about it. If, however, you're desperate, cold, alone and need a fire then maybe, just maybe this might be the one and only idea that could help you out. Survival is about options. The more options you have, the better off you are and better your survival chances are. If it works and you survive, it's not stupid.
     
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  33. TexDanm

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    OK, the one thing that you have to watch out for when you have a gun is that it can make you feel and maybe act like you are 7 feet tall and armor plated. This is especially seen when people that basically have no real training get their hands on a big bad assault rifle. Based on most movies and TV shows all the good guys have to do is point and pull the trigger and the bad guys fall down. Unfortunately that just isn't how it works.

    A fool walking down the middle of a road with his big bad assault rifle is easily taken by someone hiding in the bushes with a single shot 22 lr rifle. While the assault weapon made the fool feel safe the little 22 made the other person feel vulnerable and cautious. Survival is NOT war! The rules are totally different and most of the time you are better served by being hidden and cautious than aggressive and bada$$.

    One thing that you need to keep firmly in your mind is that in a war you have evac, medics and mash units to treat your injuries. In a TEOTWAWKI situation a 22 bullet in the gut means a very slow very painful death. Very few are equipped to deal with that sort of wound. Surgery in the field by unskilled surgeons is seldom going to have a good end result.

    For survival when possible you need to totally avoid a fight. You want to either be part of a group that you can trust, be unseen, take out threats from long distance with a scoped rifle, ambush with a shotgun or use various trap type setups to protect your perimeter. Assault weapons are for aggressive searching for trouble and not at their best as defensive weapons. The spray and pray was a necessity in Vietnam. Half the time you only had a sort of general idea exactly where your enemy was. In places other than a jungle you are generally better served by aiming. In close quarters use a shot gun and at distances use a rifle that is designed to make one shot kills.

    Once again, the one sure way to win a fight is not to get into one. I'm afraid that for a lot of people their assault weapons are going to get them killed. Being cautious and afraid is good for survival. Feeling brave, big and BAD is just a good way to get killed.
     
  34. Keith H.

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    For those of you carrying flintlocks, you can make fire with the lock without using any gunpowder. Just another fire lighting back-up.
    Keith.
     
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