Home Defense: Using Household Items As Cover

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  1. TMT Tactical

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    Most if not all know the difference between concealment and cover. But for those that don't, here is the explanation. Concealment hides your visual person but will not stop projectiles coming at you. Cover hides your visual person and WILL stop projectiles coming at you. Many folks watch movies / video's and believe that the bullets being fired at the good guy are being stopped by that love seat / couch. Watch and learn.

     
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    Bump to get it moving.
     
  3. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Love this video... I had to pause it to calm down (laughing my head off) after the guy lost his gun, stove, and refrigerator with only one bullet. I'm thinking maybe his girlfriend may have walked out, too, lolol.

    @TexDanm !!! I KNEW IT! Our gazillion books are worth much more than their weight in gold... not only as fallout shelter insulation but bullet insulation as well.

    Now back to the video (thanks @TMT Tactical for this interesting find!)


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  4. TMT Tactical

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    I do have to admit I was surprised by the books. I did not think they would do so well, with being shot in the spines. Something new everyday.
     
  5. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    I have so many books that all of my gazillion bookshelves are double-stacked. The front rows of books are standing up as you normally see them in a library; back rows behind the front rows are stacked up flat sides facing down. So if I were to hide behind one of the bookshelves, the bullets would not stand a chance of hitting me.


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  6. TMT Tactical

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    The word is mightier than the sword. OR in this example, the bullet. Between a concrete block flower bed and some short bookcases, a home could be made pretty darn bullet proof. Or at least allow for good interior COVER to fight from.
     
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  7. TexDanm

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    We did some testing many years ago about the penetration of common handgun rounds and the 5.56. Basically very few things in a house or car will be safe to hide behind. Other then my books about the only thing that I have that would stop bullets dependably would be my gun safe. Brick veneer homes are not much more protection than just wood frame houses. A chest type freezer would work if it was full to the top but empty it is almost totally useless as a barrier to bullets. Water in jugs works for a little while. We were pretty amazed at how fast the water absorbs the energy of a bullet. We lined up gallon jugs and after about three we started seeing big differences. Don't grab an iron skillet thinking "poor man's body armor". It didn't work at all.

    If things ever go to total crap with people shooting at each other all the time the death count of people that have watched too much TV and movies are DEAD. If you stand beside a window shooting out that window in a frame house they will shoot you right through the wall.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    How about building an armored plate attached to a movable dolly that has large rubber wheels? One could build two or three of these and use them for some other purpose until needed for defense.

    Y'know, build a little wall, say 4' x 4' / 1.4 meter square -- whatever dimensions that are applicable to your home or building. Could make a multi-layer thingy with a metal plate, then ceramic tiles, fiberglass layers, layer of plywood, ... . There are instructions for do-it-yourself bullet-proof shields all over the web.

    I bring up the movable wall idea, because these plates can get to be a bit heavy. Roll them to where you need them. Or, instead of a flat wall, make something "V" shaped so that you have deflection to your sides when inside the V. Remember to protect your floor if attackers can get below you to shoot up into you. Brick the floor of an area needed to be secure. Same for above you. You may require a protective roof for your little protective roll-about. If there are attackers on the roof, have a weapon that will go through your ceiling and through your roof -- like 7.62 NATO / .308 FMJ.

    Here's a kid making a shield:


    Just add some metal sheets to stop a rifle round.

    Here's a prepper's info and instructions
    https://www.askaprepper.com/how-to-make-bulletproof-body-armor-plate/
     
  9. Old Geezer

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    Most bookshelves don't have a robust back-wall, so just add a sheet of more robust backing, you could go plywood. Edge it and stain it; no one will notice the reinforcements.

    You can lay a bookshelf on its back and fill it with bricks or whatever to make a fallout protective roof. This is one reason I say to put a strong back panel on a bookshelf. Common paving bricks soak-up the rads. In event of a nuclear exchange, go dig-up your patio or walkway and build a shelter inside your home. The wife and I built a brick-on-sand patio.
     
  10. Old Geezer

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    As a kid, my dad built a large masonry flower bed on the outside of our home. It was very wide and was located just under our front window. It was 3.5 ft or 4 ft tall. The rectangular stones were of varying colors and quite beautiful in and of themselves. There must have been a ton of black dirt inside that planter. He put weep holes at the bottom to drain-off excess water. The bottom of the bed had 2" gravel. Water control is essential or you will bust the masonry wall and/or cause root-rot to your plants.

    If one was asleep on the couch in our living room, taking a bullet from the road was no concern. That planter could have taken a .50 Browning.
     
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    Didn't I mention that in my hardening the home thread? I need to check. If I left that out, my bad.
     
  13. TMT Tactical

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    SOL, You may have but seeing it, is my proof of the pudding. I knew that books would stop bullets but the other video's I had watched, they shot through the front of the books, not their spines. I love all these ideas on how to harden a home or person.
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    One could have a hardened home, then get burned out or smoked out.

    Don't forget how super-important fire extinguishers are. And in a fire, stay close to the floor. The smoke at the top of a room or hallway can get over 800 degrees F.

    Have gas masks / escape masks for the smoke off carpet/plastics fires and tear gas canisters.

    As have been discussed in other threads, plastics manufacturers such as 3M make films that adhere to glass to make it shatter-proof and difficult to breech. There are films for glass that will keep a brute-sized man with a baseball bat outside pounding on the window for 5 or more minutes. The glass shatters but is held together. A person with a Molotov cocktail won't be able to throw it through your protected windows.

    If you have a compound or live in a very unfriendly place (could be overrun by looters, say), then think about having an escape tunnel or a hidden/concealed opening into an adjacent building.

    Call me paranoid, however there are some places where I simply wouldn't live. That said, many people live in such places; maybe they are trapped there due to a job's location or maybe they are taking care of family members who are at the end stage of life.
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    Look out of your house in all directions. Identify which objects/trees/rocks/whatever ... potential invaders would seek as cover.

    Booby-trap those locations.

    Your enemies can attack at night. If you do not have night vision equipment, then buy hanging flares to light-up the night. Get the best high-altitude flares (with parachutes) you can afford.
     
  16. Caribou

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    I installed 1/4" Tuffak, a clear polycarbonate, in a jail. One of the guards and I took a piece of scrap out and bounced .38's off of it. Some .357's would penetrate but not most depending on the load and bullet shape. We only tried pistol rounds. Lexan is a similar product.

    I've been thinking about building a "library" with the shelving backed by polycarbonate. Also some polycarbonate storm windows.

    Six inches of sand will stop almost anything. If you want to understand bullet penetration visit
    https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/
    WARNING: This site is addictive and may not be suitable for all audiences.
     
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    Ha. Too late to warn me about theboxoftruth.com. Over the years, I have spent more hours there than I am willing to admit...even to myself, lol.

    Nothing like seeing the truth with your own eyes.


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  18. TMT Tactical

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    Thanks for the link Caribou, I had forgotten about "The Box of Truth". Very good place to go revisit.
     
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  19. GateCrasher

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    When life presented us the opportunity to build a house I went with ICF, 8 inches of reinforced concrete between us and projectiles. In hindsight I wish I'd have added some interior ICF walls to make a saferoom, but finances didn't allow it with all the other little upgrades we were adding.

    For cover in the yard and on the driveway we have a couple medium-sized boulders for protection, and I stacked 18-inch paver blocks that I use for lawn furniture end tables. Just looks decorative so they don't draw any attention from guests. Just built my first gabion wall last year, actually a gabion cylinder that is used as the pedestal for an outside workbench and game/fish cleaning table. Going to build more of those I think and place them strategically around the yard. Denying their use by others as
    Old Geezer said is critical too.
     
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    Great points too. When we built our home I added a water spigot inside the attached garage, mostly to aid in firefighting. Inside I added a spigot at the lowest point for filling flush buckets (I fill them for toilet flushing when the batteries are near full to use them when the batteries are low) and to drain the water lines if needed. Keep saying I'm going to add 25 feet or so of garden hose to that inside spigot for fighting a large inside fire, but haven't done it yet. Maybe my next project. Something everyone might consider to.
     
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  21. Morgan101

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    I love Paul Harrell. I have watched all of his videos. Very thorough, and very detail oriented, so you know exactly what he is doing.

    I wish he had shown what you CAN use for cover. His demonstrations were good, but I had seen most of those before on other sites, so nothing new. I wonder how a mattress would hold up, or a chest of drawers filled with clothes? Other items of furniture you are likely to have in your house that could be used for cover. Anybody have any suggestions?
     
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  22. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Well, there's this: https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-8-the-rags-o-truth/



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  23. Morgan101

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    See Grizz. He should have put books behind everything. Then he would have been able to recover all of his bullets.

    It is not uncommon to find JHP's that don't expand when hitting clothing. The hollow point tends to clog as it goes through. Using denim in front of ballistic gel is a routine penetration test for the FBI. Usually they compare bare gel, and gel fronted by clothing.

    It is good to see all the household items he used that didn't stop anything. This could be like a Thomas Edison test. I always loved this quote. " I haven't failed. I just found 10,000 ways that won't work." We keep finding ways that won't work. Let's find some ways that do.
     
  24. Caribou

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    Sorry Morgan, your sock drawer isn't going to provide much protection.

    My last house was fairly defensible. It is one story above ground post and beam construction with car decking floors. I put a bookcase against the railing upstairs to provide ballistic protection.

    This house will eventually have planters around the exterior for ballistic protection, fire resistance, and as raised beds so we don't have to bend over. I will also have steel, outward opening doors for fire, ballistic, and kick protection.

    The windows will get protective coatings by 3-M or similar as sold by Uline and polycarbonate storm windows.
     
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    All good stuff. Besides the bookcase what do you have inside you can use for cover. I am not trying to be nosy. I am just thinking my house through room by room. What would I be able to use for cover? My answer is pitiful little. My bookcases are against the wall. Tables, chairs, sofas won't stop anything. Maybe hiding in the bedroom on the far side of the bed away from the door might be O.K. Maybe behind an upright piano if I could get there. Interior doors won't stop anything. You see where I am going?

    If push came to shove this is going to be like the O.K. Coral. We stand there and blast away at each other, and I am betting I am a better shot than they are. There are very few places to hide. Maybe I need to rethink my furniture.
     
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    The gun safe is the only thing that I'd bet my life on. If rounds came through my pantry, unlikely, and IF they happened to impact canned goods, also unlikely, that could help. Otherwise, all my ballistic protection is in the planning stage.
     
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    Another upside from being a compulsive book-hoarder is that I have so many bookcases (in almost every room). If I barricaded myself in a room, and if I stay away from the doors, a bullet would not likely penetrate the bookcases lining the walls. (Hmmm...I need to rearrange the bookcases so that any "blank spaces" on one wall would be covered by bookcases on the other side of the wall in the next room.)

    Some of my walls are lined with floor-to-ceiling bookcases bolted to the wall and are covered with doors that are constructed with thick tongue-in-groove planks of knotted pine wood. Also, have heavy window shutters that are made the same way, and are decorative yet functional. I designed the window shutters with bear-proofing my house in mind. (It's almost like I am ringing the dinner bell every time I make popcorn or cook bacon, gumbo, or fried fish, and I am tired of the bears trying to break in through the windows.)


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    Given enough time an impromptu barrier of 5 gallon buckets of beans, rice, wheat, corn, canned goods, etc. would be effective especially with a second row behind it slightly offset.

    It is reported that the presidents chair, in the Oval Office, has a bullet proof back. You could add ballistic protection to your furniture though that seems a bit extreme at this point.
     
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  29. Old Geezer

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    Great post. I've bookmarked the "Box of Truth" site.
     
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    When I worked at the gun shop we tested the penetration of different loads using our outdated catalogs.

    We found that 8-10" of paper would stop most hollowpoints fired from a handgun at a distance of 3-4 feet.

    The catalogs were about 3" thick and just taped together to hold them upright.

    357 loads consistently gave the best penetration.
     
  31. TMT Tactical

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    First if the shoot out is happening inside your home, something has drastically gone wrong. Ballistic resistance material is to force the gunfight to stay outside. The interior perimeter should be bullet resistant but it will be extremely expensive to make the interior rooms bullet proof / resistant. Maybe a mobile shield on wheels (another members idea) would be a good idea. Wide enough to block a hallway, so it can't be overrun. Good guys fall back behind shield but can shoot the bad guys through the interior walls they are hiding behind.
     
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