Hospitals' Emergency Prep

Discussion in 'News, Current Events, and Politics' started by Pragmatist, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:25 AM.

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  1. Pragmatist

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    As I have posted before. The law requires the plans. It does not require the plans to be workable. Example: Plans call for back up generator, on site fuel is enough for 12 hours. Got the plan, so good to go, as far as the law is concerned. Fall back plan, transport to other facilities. Does not have to have a way to transport, simply that they plan to transport to another facility. Good to go as far as the law is concerned.
     
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    Those backup generators for hospitals all should be dual purpose driven with a piped in source of natural gas and allowed to burn propane if the NG lines are cut say due to an Earthquake. LNG tanks should be buried near the generator in case of fail over. Especially in Earthquake pron Californiastan.


    Take it up a notch and help minimize the wattage needed with roof-mounted solar panels.
     
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    In a SHTF scenario, good luck getting fuel...
     
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    In an emergency diesel or propane could be choppered into a hospital by the National Guard, Coast Guard, Army, or Marines. There are also private chopper operations with that capability. The trick is to have that system established before the emergency.

    I ran an air ambulance and we had an agreement with the NG to fly medivac if the weather was too bad for fixed wing to fly. Those were fun trips, not.
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    in an emergency UK hospitals have back up generators but they will only be short term as long as the fuel lasts, whilst hospitals might have priority over fuel supplies that's not much good if no more fuel is being processed which it wont in SHTF.
     
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    Priority of fuel is only good as long as the fuel can be delivered.
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    I think hospitals in my area wont be a consideration post SHTF when there is no power or fuel, too far to go on foot even if they were still taking patients which I doubt.
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    I suspect that hospitals will be one of the hardest things to keep up and running in the event of widespread national to worldwide collapse. Hospitals are so high tech these days and I have to tell you a lot of their "emergency" planning is beyond flawed.

    A few years ago when Houston got hit by a wet Tropical Storm one of their biggest and most respected hospitals got their nose rubbed in this. they had a big powerful generator and a lot of fuel on hand when the storm hit. there was a problem. The Generator was in a low-level sort of basement and when it filled up with water it was out of business. They had to evacuate the hospital in the middle of that storm.

    In another storm, they lost all of their computers and a lot of their high tech test equipment. Who would imagine that a hospital on a coastal city that has a history of hurricanes might get hit and flooded? (That is sarcasm by the way) Unfortunately, our government is run mostly by idiots and politicians. They do everything by low bid. That is fine on things that don't get used much and works somewhat for large infrastructure things but for emergency stuff their low bid ideas and procedures just don't work. The mess in New Orleans after Katrina is a typical example of them taking a problem and making it into an on gong major disaster.

    Another problem that they will have is that when the drug addicts run out of their drugs they are going to head to the one place that they know has drugs. First, almost immediately the pharmacies will be hit but then the hospitals will go. With the riots and fires the military can't defend everywhere at the same time. They will probably pull back and protect their masters in the various military bases and the government shelters for the government officials and their families. If you will look at how well they have handled riots here in the past you will realize that anything short of a declaration of martial law will be useless.

    I often wonder if even those shelters will allow a cohesive democratic government to survive or if they will return as military overlords.
     
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    everything is run by computers these days, even petrol pumps, once the power goes down all those screens will go blank and nothing can be done without them, all the lists and all the other data is on those computers and will be lost to humans forever once that happens, hospitals included.
    hence my remark somewhere about "not putting all your eggs in one basket" but in this technological age does anyone listen?
    there are 3 core systems necessary to modern life: communications, banking and finance, and power, power (electricity) is the weak link and once that goes down it will take the other two down with it.
     
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    Power is the weak link but if the computer systems go down the power, though still being made, can not be distributed. The Banks and our entire monetary system now is dependent on computers to operate. The communication systems now are nothing BUT computers.

    I think that it is just a matter of time before some virus is made that if weaponized and used as a weapon might have a devastating effect that would rival a nuclear attack. Our major cities would be devastated and when the lights go out the animals that live in the cracks in all of our major cities will come out and burn them down.

    When the power went down in New York for less than 24 hours there were over 3000 arson-related fires set. Imagine what it would be like after a week???!!! Most stores can't sell you ANYTHING without their computers being up and running. Most people have VERY little cash on hand these days and in the major urban areas most people have very little food in their pantries and a lot of them eat out almost every day and night. No computers equals no way to purchase food. The riots and looting will leave the cities little more than burned-out husks withing a couple of weeks and the death count will be massive, to say the least.

    The police and fire departments can't function without communications and when the water in the towers is used up there will not be any way to fight the fires. IF the government is quick and declares martial law immediately and brings in the military SOME of the infrastructure might be saved but let's be real. No politician wants to be the one that called for marshal law to be enacted so they will hesitate and play "hot potato" trying to pass off the responsibility until it is too late.
     
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