How Do You Feel About Teotwawki?

@TMT Tactical

I see no way out of it. Our Gov't and justice system are broken beyond repair. Prime example; look what happened in the Smollett case. How many people has Hillary had murdered for her agendas? It's over 100. What do you do with something that cannot be repaired? You junk it. No one can fix anything in gov't because do-gooders words fall on deaf ears. And sometimes the do-gooders fall on bullets if they get too much attention. Whenever a homeland war breaks out, it will be started one of two ways. Either we the people start it now, to snuff out the cancer growing in America or, we the sheeple, start it later to take our country back from the liberal, socialist commie dictators we'll be living under. We do it now, it will be 100 times easier than it will be 50 years from now when our military is full of "them".

 

And just to be clear here. I'm not crazy, nor am I going to go marching on Washington locked and cocked. BUT... if I so much as smell a fart from a group that has a plan. I'm in like sin.

 

Idaho is a one-party state, which is a bad thing, whether Maryland (all Democrats) or Idaho (All Republicans). Taxes are not too bad, firearms are pretty lax (you don't need a permit for either open or concealed carry; drug laws are pretty strict (Ironic, we're just across the border from Oregon and Washington, two of the most free states around).

There aren't a lot of people in Idaho; Boise, the largest city, is 300,000; and most of the rest are less than a hundred thousand. Twin Falls, the city nearest to me, is 48,000, and Kimberly, my post office address, is 3500. There are a lot of Californicators coming in here and driving the costs up. They quack about the "country lifestyle" and then whine about the smell of farming!

Idaho has the second-highest percentage of preppers, for the same reason that Utah has the highest percentage: LDS. Most of Eastern Idaho is LDS, the area where we live is about 50 percent. Most of our friends are active in the Church, even though we're not; they don't tend to hoo-raw you if you go to a different church or not to a church at all.

If you don't mind not having a choice at the ballot box, Idaho is a great place to live. Hunting and fishing are excellent, and Dawn and I agree that buying a little farm in Southern Idaho is the best choice we could've made.[/QUOTE]

 

China is building coal-fired plants as fast as they can. Russia is running hard and all the other Nations really want is for the US to go broke like them. To nations that signed the agreement... If you can't feed your people and you are truly worried about global warming you need to stop buying our food and reduce your population to only what YOU can protect and feed. Global warming is freezing our butts off in the US!!!

I think TEOTWAWKI is inevitable because people are getting stupider every year. Democracy is now based on everyone having to live in a country run by idiots and professional liars. If we aren't careful our infrastructure is going to start collapsing and I fear the snowball effect will drag us down. The end result of real hard times is always the same. War...And this time there may be no winners.

I guess I see a lot of the various collapses like the EMP and such as a little like a controlled burn like we are doing all over East Texas right now. Burn the underbrush while things are wet enough to control and limit the burn rather than wait and have the forests burn to the ground if we have a drought.

There are too many people heading FAST to WAAAAAY too many people. If the US stops producing the massive amounts of grain and falls into a depression the world is going to start starving and Russia and China are going to run things. Russia especially has always had a problem feeding their people. If trade falls because the US tries to reduce the carbon to nothing the Russians are going to have to take the food from others ...

A big sunspot pissing on the entire planet might be the beast thing for us all.

 

Sort of off topic but in keeping with the whole breadbasket theme, a huge issue coming is that our soils are dead. we've dumped so much fertilizer and roundup and other herbicides and pesticides along with the entire approach of monocropping that what used to be vibrant soils full of life are now dead dirt. First till and disc everything which helps to destroy the soil life, then spray the hell out of everything with roundup and fertilizer, plant your GMO seed that has roundup sliced into the gene structure, once it's growing, spray it again, there is a near constant need to irrigate since the soil has almost zero ability to hold moisture and again the row cropped, mono-culture fields do nothing to help shade or mulch the ground to retain moisture. Then when there is a rain, it all runs off causing erosion, further soil depletion and also all those chemicals move down stream and screw things up down stream. Honestly this could become a trigger for TEOTWAKI but at minimum is fuel to the fire.

Not many years ago something like 90% of families in this country grew at least some portion of their diet. whether it was a 1/2 acre garden and a few chickens for eggs or even if it was only a tomato plant, there was something and they were exercising the skill. People have lost the ability to feed themselves, I mean kids in the city can't tell you where an egg or glass of milk comes from beyond saying the "store". I shake my head and sigh when I hear folks in these prep/ survival forums where a person says they have a 30+ year store-able emergency seed bank but they don't garden now but if things get bad they'll plant a garden. They seem to have the attitude they can just toss seed out and *poof* food grows. Sorry but if your not learning the skill now when conditions and everything are ideal and available how are they going to do it when modern conveniences may no longer exist. No tillers, fertilizers, plant starts from a nursery, sprays and so on.

What's the most dangerous thing in a post SHTF? I wager a parent with a starving child who is desperate to feed them.

 

Country guy, you're absolutely correct. My property had been a potato field for many years now, and about a couple of months after we got here I had the soil tested and was pleasantly surprised: little or no heavy metals found, and almost no residues of commercial fertilizers. We started a compost pile, but it's not ready yet.

What we have been doing, though, is to take all of the food-garbage we'd normally put in the compost pile, and run it through our Vitamix, then pour it on the raised beds. Since it's pretty heavy clay (after all, it is high desert) I've added about three or four cubic feet of sand to each of the beds. Now that the ground is no longer in any danger of freezing, we'll be forking it in. I have seen some earthworms, and, since this is going to be our first crop, all I can do is hope. If I can get a really good crop after three or four years, I'll consider myself lucky.

 

Duncan, how large an area are you trying to rebuild? I'd suggest getting dry horticulture molasses, endo mycorrhizae fungi and a few other things to help kick things off. Here's link to a guy I listen to who's into permaculture (and survival) big time but is also level headed and comes at things with a realistic approach. He has a "recipe" or regimen of sorts on how to help rebuild soil to get it productive. Again not knowing the size of the area or if you have any livestock it might be cost prohibitive for a large acreage but could easily be done to a garden plot or to raised beds. If it's larger acreage and if you maybe have a neighbor has some cattle or sheep you could put them thru a few rotations to allow them to graze and fertilize and follow them with chickens to help fertilize and to scratch and dig in. Joel Salatin has great info and books on this but again depends on the size of what your are trying to do. Other things to do include making comfrey and or compost tea and spraying the area with that mix. If you have worm composter the "worm tea" diluted or added to one of these other sprays or maybe a spray with Dr Garret Plus.

Here is something to consider. He also has some additives he suggests and everything is organic based.

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/building-soil-fertility-garden

 

First off, let's get some things straight. Back before it was hip to do so, I was a member of those people with bell bottoms and thirteen chances to change their mind. To be a bit more specific, I was an IC/3 (SS) on a Tench-Class boat from 1962 to 1966. If I'd been smart enough to go into the Seabees, I'd know my way around a tractor a lot better than I do now.

Anyway, my main goal as far as good soil is my garden: 12 8' X 4' raised beds, as well as various fruit trees (raspberry canes; 1 each apricot, peach and plum; 2 each cherry and apple). We double-dug it last fall, taking out the top 12", then forking the ground below and returning the soil (upside down) to the original beds. I do have 11 chickens and four goats, but they're all in a 3/4 acre pasture fenced off from my yard. Since I got the chickens, I have been using the sweepings of pine shavings from their coop alternating with the kitchen garbage (vegetable ends, fruit rinds, coffee grounds, etc.) in my 4 X 4 compost heap.

right now, Dawn and I have already started our seedlings indoors under a grow-light, and were going to put them in the dirt around the 15th (Inshallah, hoping that there'll be no more freezing). But as soon as the fall veggies come in, I'm moving the chickens to the garden beds and let them help me with the soil!

I have your citation saved and will read it tomorrow. May thanks for your support!!

 

Duncan... I like the 13 chances to change your mind... those old school Greens I was first issued were zippered... At least the BDU's that replaced them had button fly's... Besides some bad habits and lots of great stories the Bee's definitely helped increase my skills, exposure and knowledge on a lot of things though I had a lot of experiences growing up. I had Grandparents with a dairy farm, my other granddad was an auto body guy and part time beef farmer, my Dad drove tractor trailer for a drilling company and worked around a lot of heavy equipment that I got to be around. Throw in an Uncle who was a contractor, and I got to spend lots of summers go-ferring ( you know go fer this and go fer that) and helping him and learning everything from framing and roofing to drywall and basic plumbing. I wish I'd have paid more attention when he tried teaching me to do electrical work.

A thought on your situation, not sure how skid'ish your chickens are so maybe you can just move their fence area or throw up some electronetting and turn them loose on your compost pile as well as in your garden beds, at least until your ready to plant them. Chickens are the good Lord's best compost tools; they'll tear it up, turn it, eat the bugs out of it and get all that free food to poop out super healthy eggs. They'll go nuts digging out the food wastes. You might want to even set up 2 piles, let them dig at one for a few weeks as you build up a second one and then switch the birds to the other pile and start adding stuff to the first one again. In your garden they'll scratch and eat a lot of the weeds, seeds and bugs and leave some pretty nice loose dirt behind.

I'm jealous on the seedlings. I had my 3 youngest help plant seeds a week ago and nothing has sprouted yet. I'm thinking it might be to cold in the basement. I have a LED grow light but it's only about 60 down there. I might have to come up with a seedling warming mat or figure out a way to re-purpose a heating pad.

 

While I don't want civil war either, I do feel that unless we get some sort of amicable split where the conservatives take 1/2 and the progressives take half war is inevitable unless we conservatives surrender. Will we go gently into that goodnight? or will we fight? I would rather fight now than have my kids or grand kids have to do it.