If You Can't Survive The Truth, How Will You Survive Tshtf?

Discussion in 'Mental Preparedness' started by Ken S LaTrans, Jul 24, 2018.

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  1. Ken S LaTrans

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    The world in which we live is not made of cotton candy, lollipops, and covered in bubble wrap. The power is ON, your air conditioner works, you have a fully stocked grocery store just down the road, and you can get just about anything else your heart desires with a single click of your mouse. You can even have your groceries delivered. You can access nearly all the information in the world from your phone.

    Even if you are struggling financially...you probably have a much higher standard of living than royalty did as recently as a hundred years ago. You have a bathroom in your house with hot water on demand, you can refrigerate your food, and your drinking water is (probably) safe, and your have emergency medical services relatively close. In fact, if you are shot...you have a 90% chance of surviving.

    You have it pretty good.

    But yet...you're still a miserable, lonely, depressive, whining pain in the ass to be around.

    Why? People are yucky. They don't really care about your tender feelings or that you may be offended by some "microaggression" or their tone of voice, or the truth they tell is something you don't like.

    You claim to be a survivalist, yet you act more like the social justice warrior...I mean...whiner. You point and shriek, take offense and umbrage at everything and worry a lot more about how something is said rather than what is being said. The truth is a bitter pill you are unable to swallow.

    You better damned well stock your BOB with baby wipes, Midol and Pamprin.

    If you can't survive an uncomfortable truth, or how it is delivered....you will never survive when things get really tough. You are food.

    You can have a basement full of food, guns, ammo, and medical supplies....yet none of those things will give you one more day on the Big Blue Marble if you're not mentally prepared to deal with the harsh realities of life beyond ebay, Amazon Prime, or whatever porn you like to watch while you rub one out.

    In fact...you're not really even a survivor. You're a paranoid coward who can't survive words, let alone the harsh realities that will come with actual survival. When your vision of your perfect cotton candy and lollipop world is challenged by mere words and the truth, you are nearly paralyzed with offense and indignation. You live in a state of denial that anyone who deviates from your own perception of "how stuff oughtta be" could be right. Common sense, logic, and reason are never allowed to cloud your thinking.

    In short. You are a victim and lack the spine to be a survivor beyond the words on a keyboard.

    So...what do you do?

    First, you need to give yourself a dose of "real reality" and accept that the world is not warm and fuzzy. People are imperfect and will specifically fail to live up to your imagined standard of perfection. They may say things in a way that you consider to be offensive or impolite, or insulting or damage your tender feelings...and tough shit...because it's not how they are actually saying it...it is simply that you don't like the truth of their message. Even worse, you can't handle actually realizing that they are right and you just don't like it because it reflects a mirror of your own weakness.

    Suck it up buttercup because you are not going to make it once things get really tough.

    Mental preparedness starts NOW when things are still switched ON. Think about how you're "surviving" now. You can barely hold your shit together and can't handle what you consider to be small interpersonal inconveniences...yet you think you're mentally prepared to survive when things aren't a lightswitch or a click away.

    If the thought "I'm offended" ever crosses your mind...then you're weak. If the thought "I'm offended and I want something done about it to make me feel better" ever crosses your mind...then you're not only weak, you're weak and looking for someone to tell you that you're not weak and mentally invalided. You don't possess the mental tools to survive.

    If you have ever thought "Nuh uhhhhh! That's not the way it's 'sposta be!"....then you're incapable of critical thinking, and critical emoting is your default setting when facing a small problem. You will be ill equipped mentally to handle a big one, and will suffer a paralytic mental breakdown when things are truly tough.

    The truth will never be something you can handle beyond the safe space on Sesame Street.

    HOWEVER...if you can say honestly..."Well shit. The world is a pain in the ass, but I am never going to let it defeat me"...then you may just have a chance. You need to change the way you feel, and concentrate on how to think.

    Then you will build a prepared mind and psyche.
     
  2. lonewolf

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    is that aimed at anyone in particular Ken? the first act of anyone new to prepping/survival is to join forum's like this so they can ask questions and receive information. as several have indeed done.
    your piece sounds like your out to upset all and sundry from the get go. maybe that is your intent.
    I agree that a lot of people aren't going to survive SHTF even some that call themselves preppers, but I think there are better ways of putting it across, stating the facts and leaving it at that, name calling is not the way to do it, I 've asked you to calm it down before.
     
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  3. watcherchris

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    Ken S. La Trans,

    I am highly offended by your post.....because I am a professional "Victim."

    I deserve all the make overs and consolation prizes..as well as to go to the head of the line provided someone else pays all the expenses.

    After all.....I'm good people...the others are not !!

    and let us not forget that I am sitting on the only one in town as well.


    Ohh....God...where is the Midol!!??


    LOL LOL LOL>...nice post Ken!!


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris


     
  4. TexDanm

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    I was raised with the motto "Life's a bitch and then you DIE." I CAN be offended. I also was raised to believe that revenge is a dish best served cold and I don't forgive and never forget. I have figured out that the only thing that keeps a lot of assholes alive is that most of them are not worth the trouble killing them would cause. When/if the world as we know it comes to an end and there are no longer any cops to protect the gang bangers and asshats their lives will be short and probably not very sweet. I don't need or want an assault rifle to tend to things. I will "cure" any issues that I wave with anyone that tries to make my life hard with a single bullet from at least 300 yards out. If you have pissed me off to much that bullet will not be into your head. How long do you think a person will live if they are gut shot and no hospitals or doctors are around?

    I much prefer to be nice and not have to constantly watch my back. I get along with my people and in general help when I can. Some may see this as weakness. If they act on that basis they had better kill me quick because if they leave me alive they are dead. I've known people that seem the think that being rude and mean is a way to act strong and that people that are kind or nice are weak. Mostly I pity them and in the event of TEOTWAWKI I will, if I have to, eliminate them just like I would a mad or bad dog. That is what we call "$hit happens!"
     
  5. watcherchris

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    LOL LOL LOL....

    I don't remember if I told this story on this particular site.

    Some time in the last year..our team was doing a hydrostatic test on a piece of equipment...a stud tensioner. We mounted it on a special test plate and began bringing up the liquid test pressure ...in careful stages...to 13,800 PSI.

    When we hit the 8000 PSI mark I looked over to the side and saw one of the guys ducking behind a tool cabinet.

    Now this fellow is retired Army. I had to wonder what he did for the Army. He must have pushed someone else's paperwork.

    The woman on our team was hanging right in there with the rest of us and not ducking behind a cabinet....she was out front.


    I knew right then and there ..I would never want this fellow with me on a really dangerous job where you need all hands and all hands on the same page when it is going down.

    I keep an eye on this fellow closely now. He does enough to keep his job..but not take any real "Risk" as do the rest of us.

    Don't have much to do with him.




    Some of us have been there many times in our careers....even when things went very very bad.

    We know whom we want watching our back and whom we do not. Many of us have been and still are on intimate terms with this kind of situation/danger. You don't back off/hang back and leave your team mates hanging.

    13,800 PSI is indeed a lot of pressure. The other test we do is to 22,000 PSI.

    I don't like such lightweights around me...when the going gets rough.

    And so too when SHTF or TEOTWAWKI.


    Reloaded some 70 rounds of .35 Remington this week....and have put them away. Planning to get some more .35 Remington Brass for reloading.

    Used .357 Magnum HP bullets of some 158 grain weight and IMR 3031 powder.

    Also used 200 grain round soft nosed bullets with the same powder charge of IMR 3031 powder.

    Made a post on it in the guns, knives and tool section.


    Thanks to all for their posts,
    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
  6. TexDanm

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    When the pressure goes up is when you find out what people are made of. I worked in a place that made and repaired heat exchangers and such for refineries. They would have chemicals in them that were sudden death under pressure when a units was up and running so leaks just couldn't happen. We had to pressure test the shells in stages. First air, then with helium and if the helium didn't leak you went for the pressure test that would be about three or four times the normal rated operating pressures. If you had a leak at that point a stream of water as big around as a needle would cut you up like a razor blade. You could lose a finger in a heartbeat. The pucker factor can get pretty high and some people just can't deal...some like the adrenaline. I'm sort of in the middle. I deal but I wouldn't say I like it that much. Like a lot of things in life you just do what you have to do and move on.
     
  7. Oldguy

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    So far I have handled every serious event/ accident I have been in with calm success, I have just done what needed to be done when it needed to be done, no macho chest beating bravado, no FIGJAM bollocks or other stuff.
     
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  8. TexDanm

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    I honestly imagine that most of the people here would and will handle most bad situations fairly well. The biggest thing that people here have over other people is that one and all we are thinking ahead and making plans now. I figure that most of us do this in a lot of areas other then just the end of the world sort of survival. Having a plan ahead of time eliminates most of that freak out when something happens. It allows us to act instead of react. I have tools and weapons in all my vehicles. I carry small tools, a flashlight, a lighter and a knife in my pockets at all times. The little things we do are the things that others don't and when something happens they don't have a clue what to do.
     
  9. Ken S LaTrans

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    Did I name anyone? It is an informational post designed to spark an emotional reaction that will trigger an intellectual one. There is no "name calling". It is a post to drive home the point and to spur on self reflection. "You" is used editorially. The truth of the message is one that should be heeded even if you (speaking specifically) find it to be uncomfortable.
     
  10. lonewolf

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    no you did not name anyone that's why I asked if it was aimed at anyone specifically.
    the tone of your piece I think was a trifle harsh and would put off any newbie joining the site, the whole point is to increase the membership and help others not so far along as we are.
     
  11. Ken S LaTrans

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    I was not aware it is my responsibility to spread cotton candy and lollipops and to allow the false belief that any sort of event that must be prepared for will be bubble wrap and soft edges. This thread is in the MENTAL PREPAREDNESS section. If you (speaking both specifically and editorially) can't handle how something is written...and trust me...it is mild compared to how I can tell it...then reality will be a much more "harsh" voice than mine. Part of MENTAL PREPAREDNESS is toughening up mentally.

    I don't translate reality into Snowflake. I don't translate honesty into fluffy unicorns and rainbows.
     
  12. lonewolf

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    that's the problem with using the word YOU in a piece, some people can take it personally, although we all know that in this context "you" means everyone in general, I try to refrain from using such a term if I can possibly avoid it.
     
  13. Ken S LaTrans

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    And? If they (editorially) take it personally, when they (editorially) haven't been identified, then I would argue that they (editorially) have some reflecting to do as they (editorially) probably recognize a shortcoming in their (editorially) own mental preparedness. However, at the same time, if they (editorially) are unable to comprehend the English language...then it is not my (specifically) failure to communicate, it is their (editorially) failure to pay attention in class.

    And if we (are you being literal here?) "all know" then there is no reason to even have this conversation because you just contradicted your whole assertion and invalidated it. So which is it? Are people ignorant of the English language and you're trying to protect their tender feelings, or does "everyone" know the context of my usage of "you" and you're just looking for an excuse to put on moderator pants and try to be the internet cop because of some unknown reason? Read what you wrote slowly, then translate it into English.

    If you (again, speaking both specifically and editorially and not lacking in specificity) are unfamiliar with the proper usage of pronouns, then it is not my (specifically) problem. A person's (editorially) lack of literacy in the English language in its written form, is similarly not my (specifically) problem. "You" is a non specific pronoun when a subject has not been identified.

    For example: lonewolf, you appear to have an inability to differentiate between a specific pronoun and a non specific pronoun usage and the editorial usage of same. As such, you fail to interpret what I have written correctly.

    As I have identified you specifically lonewolf, then you can correctly assume that I am speaking of you as the subject and "you" has become the personal pronoun.

    Lacking an identifier, "you" is an accepted editorial substitution.

    I can't be "moderated" for using the English language correctly....unless of course your feelings are hurt for me pointing it out. But hey...if you want to "moderate" me for using proper English, more power to you.

    As an aside: Do you EVER use a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence?
     
  14. lonewolf

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    well maybe its just me then, I'll see if anyone else complains. i'll leave it there for now.
     
  15. Oldguy

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    Seems that different people here have different forms of the truth and live on different continents to boot.

    I dare say Kens way is the truth for his land as it is a very savage land and being the most savage of savages is one way to survive in that savage land.:)

    Not my way but not my land either:D
     
  16. lonewolf

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    yes, very different this side of the "pond" too.
     
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    "you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar!";)
     
  18. Ken S LaTrans

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    So then I have to ask...has anyone complained? Your "anyone else" implies that someone has complained or is it yet another imprecisely written sentence.

    See, "words mean stuff" and imprecision of language, or the inability to communicate in its written form leads to mistakenly inferred misunderstanding and tushy trauma when none is intended. Simply put, what is written speaks for itself, it says what is said. If you don't understand the language, then you can't take umbrage because of your own ignorance.

    And no, I am not beating the proverbial dead horse. You brought this whole exercise in ridiculousness out and I will let it lay when I am satisfied as to your actual meaning.
     
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  19. Ken S LaTrans

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    I am not in the business of catching flies. I am not in the business of spreading mirth and joy. I am not in the business of being soft on "feelings" when it comes to the business of survival. The hardest part OF survival is the mental, then the physical. If a person who shall remain non-specific as a subject (see, I was all gentle and cuddly so as not to damage the psyche of an as yet unknown and non specific subject) can't handle blunt, yet accurate and truthful words then that non specific subject is not prepared. I am passionate about this because I think it is important, but I am not going to pretend to be a TeleTubby or a Mister Rogers when I clearly am not.
     
  20. lonewolf

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    like I said i'll leave it there and see how it goes.
     
  21. Ken S LaTrans

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    No, that's bull. YOU (specifically) lonewolf, called me out. You made groundless assertions, then implied that "someone" had complained. Now I am calling YOU out. You trolled ME.
     
  22. lonewolf

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    all I said was I thought the tone of the piece was a little harsh, and it might, for that reason, put a newbie off joining our forum. I was prepared to leave it there .
     
  23. Ken S LaTrans

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    No, I read what you wrote (refer back to that whole pesky understanding the meaning of the written English language). That I was "harsh" is not the entirety of your assertion. Whether or not YOU were "prepared" or "willing" to leave it at your false accusation in immaterial, I was not and am not. You owe me an apology.

    You misused your alleged "power" as a moderator to troll a member and make a false accusation, or implication that someone had complained when in fact you personally were the only one with a complaint because you thought it was "harsh" and then threatened moderator sanction. There is nothing in the rules against being "harsh", especially when it is HONEST. You implied that I was "name calling"...when in fact, I never did. You then went on to make an implication of a complaint (other than yours). In fact, you even implied that I, somehow have the responsibility to "grow the membership" or "attract new members" which I do not. Do you see where I am going here?
     
  24. lonewolf

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    all I said was that it would deter newbie's from joining the site, that is my only concern.
     
  25. Ken S LaTrans

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    Right. Can you even read what you wrote? You are a dishonest coward.
     
  26. Oldguy

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    Soooo Aggressive or should I say savage:D
     
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    I've finally decided to look through this post, I've read it and fully understand that it was originally intended to be thought provoking and trigger some reflective thinking, maybe even cause us to question ourselves a little. Perhaps it would have worked out as less of a failure and source of confrontation if the original post had been written in third person.
     
  28. TexDanm

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    I'm sorry Ken but you are just plain abrasive. When it comes to manners you are sadly lacking. Irritating and aggravating people isn't a very good survival strategy. When things go down the hill if you treat people badly you will have an "accident". You can't hide in a hole 24/7/365 and people won't have to put up with other peoples crap anymore. The neighborhood asshole won't last a week.

    Being nice and respectful is NOT a sign of weakness. It is basically a smart survival technique that has been around for centuries. People like Billy the Kid didn't live long enough to become Billy the old man. In the old west people that caused others trouble and made them nervous or angry were found dead with a bullet in their back. I in general really try to be nice. You seem to feel like that makes me weak. I'm sorry but you are not a cop anymore and if you act like this in the real world you better stay in the outback of Arizona. You wouldn't last long in Texas. You would piss someone off they would make you mad and it you TOUCHED them you would be shot DEAD. That is the LAW in Texas.

    We are generally nice because we will fight. Bullies don't do well here at all. A 15 year old was shot in the chest a few years ago in a school yard. He was a bully and decided to beat up the wrong little nerd. The next day the nerd told him off the bully hit him in the face and he got shot. Went to trial...innocent and justified use of lethal force. The bully was actually lucky and only lost a lung. I understand that he found iot to be a life changing experience.

    Come on Ken. Be nice!! You aren't impressing anyone here with your silly attitude.

    I apologised last time but this time that won't happen. You need to take a chill. Sorry if I'm causing you problems Lone Wolf but you have made this a nice place to be and I for one have your back...
     
  29. Overwatch

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    2 wolves can be 500 miles apart and they will find each other. Why. flies all away across town,how? Mathematically when things thing or act a like the universe will conspire to bring them together. This anomaly was also proven true in 3 wars. when studying cowards,turncoats and heroes. were would they be found, what would they be doing. Behavior is a state of mind. Oddly High functioning autistic people with high IQ and low EQ tend to be the greatest survivors and the greatest heros... Emotions dont get in the way of the task. Survival is not a problem. Its a task. A set of requirements. Put into order according to priority and then carried out. The military has always known the highest serviceability comes in units of 2,4,6.
    That group is set up with a controller,an analyzer, a promoter and a supporter. Supporter is a medic or radio or both.
    Survival must be analyzed as a male only, Pairs only, multi family. Multi family supporting a posse. It it is important to you who and what you are then find the group you best fit in. as long as all contribute the french resistance showed even cowards have a roll. The muslem extremest make good use of do nothing cowards......... Suicide boomers. To be be afraid is to be controlled by the unknown or a lack of understanding. Not being able to deal with the emotion of indecision. Education and practice is the solution . I have sen cowards go into boot camps and even though they didnt go out as solders they did go out as having self esteem ,self worth and strong... no longer fearful. Cowardliness starts at childhood from Very bad parenting. Bad programming. Learn to empower yourself. Its not about being the strongest. Just discover all your limitations and work your strengths.
    We had a guy in the marines that was afraid of water....they drown him deliberately, then revived him. After that he became our strongest swimmer..... He didnt like drowning more than not liking water!
     
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  30. Dalewick

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    I can't decide if this is funny as He!! or just stupid.

    Somebody got anger issues. LOL!

    Dale
     
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    Good morning Overwatch,

    The 20th century studies that I'm aware of did not have autistic people at the top.

    The European concentration camps produced people like George Soros - Roman Polanski was in a camp but still a child - and these people were far from being autistic - although other psych problems. Unit 731 is Manchuria had some survivors but not the autistic.

    I'm not sure "The military has always known" can be commented on. Of the best militaries from WWII onward to today, the best do no use the mentioned 2,4,6.

    Not that clear re "male only, pairs, ......". These situations are so dynamic , can't provide commentary, at least for now.

    Many of the Muslim extremist groups do not use "cowards" for suicide missions because of the operational security problems. The premier resource they use is the clinically mentally ill. Some of the Israeli psychiatric studies are available now in the public domain.
     
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    My son just got back.. he was a ranger... ya they still use 2,4,6. ^ most often used in house to house, and clearing rooms.
    The markers were identified differently then but yes. The observable patterns were then as they are now. People that can easily disconnect,dis- attached (the spectrum) as it is now called... and terms change over time is wide to be sure but there is a narrow band that has been observed both by the British and the Canadians.
    May I suggest to you that I have not read from the same places you have. You have not read from the places I have. This doesnt discount either. In fact what you study and what the study was looking for has a lot to do with what is in it.
     
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    I think farmers will do the best. I have a uncle in nothern manatoba. No TV. No Cell. Didnt know about jack 19 untill I wrote him a letter the gets the mail once a month. He laughed. Whats that to me. Said he I dont even get a news paper. He raises buffalo. He sells them to the government to go to the Indian reserves 2 times a year. A mountain man without the mountain
     
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