In 2016 and beyond, if the SHTF scenario really possible?

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  1. hades_leae

    hades_leae Active Member
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    Over the years, I have heard many things, and learned so much about the community of preppers. Many stories out there suggest that the end is near, and it's really possible because the international community is so unstable. I just don't understand how people can say SHTF is going to happen year after year but nothing happens.

    I think that there are just some people out there who are fascinated with this way of life and would actually like to see the world economy fail.

    I would never want that for our children.
     
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  2. Valerie

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    Of course there's a fascinating aspect about surviving in the wild. People are, in a biological essence, animals. We hunt and gather on the most rudimentary of levels; and when those needs are meant, we hunt for a means to accomplish our goals by gathering the skills and tools required to do so. Survival brings us back to the primal, instinctive roots we started from. So when many say, "SHTF soon," it's really on the level of, "Aliens might attack at any moment." Truly, we never know when it's going to happen, but we can extrapolate. We can assume for the worst and wait for it to happen, although it may never come in our lifetime.

    I can honestly that for every part of me who wants to live the way I am living now until I get old and die, I would love to be surviving in a post-apocalyptic world like my favorite sci-fi book heroes.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    civilisations have collapsed before, so will this one, we are not immune.
    in previous times they could survive on what they knew, these days people are "specialists" and for anything outside their knowledge zone they "get someone in", this may not be possible in a catastrophe, in an emergency your on your own, your survival is in your hands and yours alone.
     
  4. Keith H.

    Keith H. Moderator Staff Member
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    I agree, I can't see anything happening in my lifetime, maybe my Grandchildren will experience it though. Personally I do not see any threat from outside where I live, I see our totally corrupt government as the most likely threat. Even so, for anything to happen, the people would have to revolt against the government, & the majority of Australians are just too apathetic or gutless to do anything to rock the boat.
    The loss of our human rights, the loss of our constitutional rights & liberties has been slow, & it will continue to be slow, a loss here & a loss there, & people just let it happen. Not until the city dwellers feel the pinch will anything happen. They don't give a damn about fellow Australians in country areas.

    You wonder why some people wish it would hit the fan? Well the loss of our human & constitutional rights is why. Because the only way in which we can get rid of a totally corrupt dictator government, is to either (A) have a revolution, or (B) TEOTWAWKI. We CAN NOT vote them out, we have only two parties, both corrupt, we are in between a rock & a hard place. I hope that the people eventually wake up & pull together & protest march against parliament, & demand that the government & our corrupt governor general stand down. Then we need to put a new system in place that gives the people a voice. This could be done peacefully, I hope this is what happens. But with our militarized Police service, plus a ban on protesting, it could all go to hell in a hand cart. The people have let this corruption go on for far too long.
    Keith.
    [​IMG] Some Farmers are committing suicide. This shows a "Lock The Gate" Protest against mining companies mining on farms without permission from the farm owners!!!
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    This shows the mining company SANTOS logo on Australian Police vehicles!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Gone is the day when you can tell your children to find a policeman if they need help! That is no longer what police are for. They no longer work for the people, they work for the government & the government is NOT for the people.
     
  5. lonewolf

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    I see two main problems in Britain, one is the EU, the other is terrorism.
    we too have a useless government but we only have a choice of 2 parties-the others will never get into power, and they are as bad as each other but at least we can have a change every 5 years and we can vote them out, we cant do that with the EU.
    I am not discounting some form of economic/financial collapse, but even then it'll be because of some political decision.
     
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  6. John Snort

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    A lot happens.

    People may be preparing for a global apocalypse and though that seems a long way off but what off natural disasters? What off a random terrorist attacks? What of an economic collapse like that of Greece or Venezuela? What of war that you didn't see coming? Ukraine is a good example.

    Point is anything can happen at any time. And to increase your chances of survival you have to be prepared for the worst.
     
  7. ToTang45

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    I think the whole point is the fact that we have no idea how likely or unlikely it is.
    I mean, let's face it, on paper the whole prospect in it's entirety doesn't seem likely at all.

    The whole point here is that we be prepared even if only in mild ways (but ways we can build on later) in the case that the whole issue becomes all the more likely as it's actually happened.
    Let's face it, better be prepared than a sitting duck. When it happens, even if it doesn't happen, that's all irrelevant.
     
  8. lucidcuber

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    In any given year, the chance of a serious SHTF is low, but in some cases society is inevitably breaking down. Europe has several major terrorist attacks each year, the US has mass shootings on pretty much a weekly basis now. The EU, one of the largest and most powerful organisations in the world is at its weakest point since inception, and it might take the world's #2 reserve currency with it if it collapses.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    if the UK leaves the EU, which I hope we do, it could cause the collapse of the EU, which I hope it does:p
     
  10. lucidcuber

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    I absolutely agree with this. I've even been leafletting with VoteLeave recently. If you check the betfair odds, the chance of us leaving is now higher than ever
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911

    I plan to place a bet on remain as a consolation prize in case we do remain
     
  11. lonewolf

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    someone said vote leave was 19 points in the lead.
     
  12. lucidcuber

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    In one poll it is, whats more exciting is that not this this poll but various have given leave a nice edge, proving that these polls are not just one off. It's a shame that many have already submitted their postal votes however, but I still think we will win in the end.
     
  13. lonewolf

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    I do hope so, my family fought 2 world wars so we wouldn't end up in a federal super state.
     
  14. Vladimir Logos

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    I agree with you hades, I would not want to experience a World War or any other SHTF scenario. I have already survived two wars as a kid and seen the national economy get reduced by 30% in a matter of months... so thanks, but no thanks! Like the saying goes: 'It's better to talk for a 100 years than wage war for a day.'
     
  15. Keith H.

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    I agree with John Snort, a lot happens. I am not into watching the stock market, we have someone to do that for us. Some people can look at the world stage & say "this could be IT", & if things were to continue in that vane, then it may well turn into "IT". But things change, markets change, situations change. I seem to recall many years ago we were on the brink of another world war, but it never eventuated, things changed. We can try to predict, but we can NEVER be 100% sure. So we prep, just in case.
    Keith.
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  16. remnant

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    In my opinion, there is no need to think about SHTF scenarios. I base my argument on the fact that there is a deception in considering oneself as part of humanity. The moment you die, thats the end of your gameplan and you go to exist in another realm. The best thing is not to fret over the future and live day to day. Even if things get worse, there is order in disorder.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    so say the masses, but when there is an emergency, their survival, their well being, is always someone's else's job it is never their own.
     
  18. hades_leae

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    I honestly agree with that, I see many movies where there is some sort of post apocalyptic setting, or even something like "The Maze Runner", I would love to experience that way of life, but would never want to be apart of the reason why it actually happens in the first place.

    I don't feel like many people would want to connect with that statement, "biological essence, animals". People choose to believe that we are different from every other species on this planet, we are pretty much the same, we're just the only species on this planet that's able to build a way of life that is the complete opposite of the Dog Eat Dog world. Everyone who is born into this way of life will most likely never experience that life, nor do they ever think to care to prepare for it.
     
  19. OursIsTheFury

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    I wouldn't want to prepare for that, to be honest. I'd much rather prepare for a more realistic and close threat to my safety: storms. I live in a tropical country, and storms devastate the land at least fifteen different times during the course of the rainy season, and I'd rather be prepared for that than some collapse of the government, viral outbreak, or even the end of days. People constantly lose their houses here during storms, and the market gets a raise in prices whenever storms are near, either because their supplies are low or they are just trying to profit over the panic buying that people usually do during the days before the typhoons hit landfall.
     
  20. lonewolf

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    SHTF is more likely now than at any other time in the last 70 years.
     
  21. Moroccanbeauty2266

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    I think there are already enough "small" apocalypses happening already with all the wars, conflicts, political tensions, mass shootings, diseases, hunger crises, etc.
    It might take another 10-20 years until it culminates into a huge global apocalypse and just because we do not feel or see it happening right now we should see this as an advantage to prepare ourselves no matter what. If it does not happen in our generation then we also need to teach our children how to prepare themselves so they are more protected.
     
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  22. filmjunkie08

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    I do worry about my sons generation. They are soft and many are mentally and physically untempered and unprepared. I am concerned about ISIS the continued terrorist bombings they commit.
     
  23. lonewolf

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    in general, the modern population are soft and extremely p.c., and so unknowing about anything outside technology.
    it is said in Britain, on average we are 4 generations removed from the land.
    there are those that don't know that apples grow on trees, they think they come ready wrapped in plastic, wife gave someone an apple straight off the tree and the persons jaw dropped!!!
     
  24. tgthewriter1

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    You can't focus on the world. The world is ducked because of fashion. People are taking clothes way too seriously. That is why people talk so much shit now. People need to stop watching the t.v. and start watching the real world on YouTube. That's my opinion on it.
     
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